ASML CEO Says Chip Controls Will Push China to Create Own Technology
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- The head of Dutch chip-gear giant ASML Holding NV says US-led export control measures against China could eventually push Beijing to successfully develop its own technology in advanced chipmaking machines. Peter Elstrom reports on Bloomberg Television.
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7 months later, we already know he was telling the truth.
ISS 2011 enter the Chat ☠️
And rumours said that TSMC hold shipment of EUV......something is happening
That's right, embargoes and sanctions only make it more creative. awareness of independence is increasing.
@@RaffaelPallusthe latest china chip 7nm doesnt use euv they use duv .
@@VinVin21969 You will see China's EUV in the next few years.😃
The suggestion from someone in Japan that TSMC might be the reason why China may invade Taiwan is laughable. come on journalists do your job
👍👍 China will not invade Taiwan for TSMC. TSMC will fade away in Arizona-USA. 😂😂😂
It is as if someone said China will invade Japan for Toyota. There are just too many low intellingent "experts" in the US and Japan.
Precisely
@@tommyboss4067 Arizona made chips cost 30% more than the same chips made in Taiwan. A factory by itself isn't enough without the infrastructures to support it.
@@Mennion3A possible intrusion to get TSMC will make USA destroy all chip factories in Taiwan. It does cost much because the assets just don’t belong to America.😂 happy to trouble China using Chinese assets
It will be wonderful for the world, Once China starts producing chips, prices will drop by 80%.. Similar to Solar panels and the soon to commence Chinese aircraft’s.
And also Electronic vehicles. Look at them cheap and high quality.
Good news for everyone thanks china
Chips price is overprice due to the west IP licensing, the expensive western tech. It only make the west more richer each years. It the right time to say NO to those overhype and overprice Chips.
And now 7 months later China did it. China speed.
7 months later we know China can make 7nm chips. But I want to catch up with you on EUV Lith Machine for chip making for 5nm, 3nm and even further: China has figured out that they REALLY DON'T NEED ASML Lith Machine for EUV lights. The EUV light is used to create the 5nm, 3nm or even 2nm chips. But instead of coming up with its own complicated Lith Machines for EUV lights, China simply built a 1K square kilometers LITH FACTORY. They don't need a machine to build chips. They simply built a factory to build chips. So the light will travel across the factory over hundreds of meters. And they could go through stages to extract the proper wavelength lights for any chip developments. The LITH FACTORY could support 28nm, 14nm, 7nm, 5nm, 3nm, 2nm and even further, you name it.
China realized that they don't need to have small form factors of Lith Machines that need to ship across oceans. They just need a mechanism to build chip. That mechanism could be as big as a factory. So China created a LITH FACTORY for chip making. Amazing!
is there a video on youtube that expalins this ?thanks ? also if not a video then maybe could you point me to a source ?
@@robo__cop8154 This is just an Internet rumor, based on the idea of a lithography machine proposed by a professor at a Chinese university in 2019. There is no evidence that this principle has become true.
@@robo__cop8154 SSMB-EUV
@@robo__cop8154 No-one on TH-cam is really qualified for these sort of things, anything you see is likely bad quality.
Nothing of what you said made sense
He was right, now that SMIC is producing 7nm chips for the kirin 9000
Yep, but it's important to notice that even this advanced 7nm chips made natively in China are still about 3 years behind in terms of specs than the ones produced by TSMC using EUV. They perform similar to an Iphone or Samsung device from 3 years ago. But it's still a great achievement for SMIC and they will continue to evolve rapidly.
@@truth-uncensored2426if china can make space station in 10 year after 2011 ban I do believe they can match TSMC in 7-10 year
@@truth-uncensored2426Dude, do you need 3nm chips for watching TH-cam, Whatapps, Tiktok, etc on your phone?
It is a marketing trick to keep selling new version of phone each year that actually we dont really need. 😂😅😢
SMEE will release 28nm DUV at the end of 2023 with some parts which are Overkill for 28nm node.
With Huawei new EUV patent and Chips Stacking Patent, road to EUV is becoming more easy or faster.
If China can mass Produce 7nm chips using DUV where TSMC never achieve in the past, we knew how much better mainland China comparing with Taiwan. 😂
Maybe not SMIC. Truth always surprise everyone.
... and it took China 7 months to develop its domestic 7nm chips.
I mean China can make Space Station after 2011 ban 😂
@@boiscooka232 Ironically, I don't think anyone would trust being aboard it.
@@DrPhilMMbetter than fakin a film 😂
@@Jes.V3😂😂😂😂
@@DrPhilMM i wouldnt trust being aboard at american 50-60s rocket (spoiler: they are worst than USSR with alot of destroyed launchs) but ofc, your brainwashed propaganda mind will go naive
he said this 7months ago?no wonder he is the CEO, smart guy
He is 100% correct, and that's not the first time American done the dump things against China
"ASML CEO Says Chip Controls Will Push China to Create Own Technology". I think this CEO knows it very well and he has a previous case to refer to, the space station.
no, you missed the point, C C P should have been trying to make their own chips all along instead of trying to copy without a license which failed so then C C P shadow companies were trying to buy up the worlds supply.
@@vivafreedom4947 "trying to buy up the worlds supply.". ASML is a successful company for doing this. There are other western companies who did this and failed too. This is called capitalism.
Competitors of ASML:
1. Lam Research
2. Applied Materials
3. Taiwan Semiconductor Manufacturing Co. (TSMC)
4. Analog Devices
5. KLA Corporation
6. NikonCorporation
7. Intel
8. Canon Inc.
9. Axcelis Technologies, Inc.
10. Veeco.
😂😂😂😂😂
@@tommyboss4067 China enters the market, half the price,😂
@@tommyboss4067 Those are not ASML competitors. ASML has 100% market share when it comes to advanced lithography machine supply
They have the talent/engineers , the money , the tooling capability , the market - it’s only a matter of time. Also all the returnees from top research institutions. Just look at what they have achieved in the last 20 yrs - EV, high speed train , 5G , solar , battery , electronics, electric bikes…
.
All that technology was gained and learned from others (mostly western countries) china didn’t invent these things. It would be naive to think that.
@@DontUputThatEvilOnMeI see most universities are filled with Chinese and Indian scholars. In the past, US took benifit from German Scientists, now China and India. Less than 1% of US population has research degree.
@@DontUputThatEvilOnMeDude, the Japanese also didnt invent it at the beginning, so did US. It was British Technology brought by the Americans.
So?
@@mujur9101 So all of the listed technologies were invented in Britain? I said western countries for a reason. It’s a mixture of a lot of places Britain, Germany, United States etc. where all these inventions come from.
@@bibekacharya5928 You do understand that 30-40% of the USA is German. The German scientists that come over to the USA became US citizens. Thus making them American. USA didn’t force anyone to come to the USA the scientist from Germany came to USA because it was a great place to live back in early 20th century. (Tons of land and a lot of resources) compared to the rest of the world. Many of the scientist were Jewish as well and not even excepted by Germany as real German citizens at the time. Most notable would be Albert Einstein. I’m tired of the excuses that US technology is because of German scientists. Many Americans at the time were from somewhere else because America is a land of immigrants. And what about people like Robert Oppenheimer and Ernst Lawrence who were born in the USA.
The CEO is right. Chinese manufacturing sector is the biggest consumer of the 7nm chip. So the ban will force the Chinese to use domestic-made 25nm chips, it is 4 times bigger, but for most applications it makes no difference. At the same time, 7nm chips will become more expansive, it won’t survive without government subsidies. It is a short sighted move on the US part, a complete reversal of the roles, market will win!
no, you missed the point, C C P should have been trying to make their own chips all along instead of trying to copy without a license which failed so then C C P shadow companies were trying to buy up the worlds supply.
China is already mass producing 7nm chips.
@@ajaykumarsingh702 incorrect, china can only make 14 NM
@@vivafreedom4947 Look up Sunway Oceanlight supercomputer at 2.5 exaflops and running 14nm.
@@vivafreedom4947 China has reached 7nm chips level
This is what Chinese proverb calls drink poison to quench thirst. Technology is intrinsic and require only human capital, capital that China has more than anyone, where as ASML's monopoly is extrinsic, it requires others to cooperate and can't be created by will.
It's inevitable for China to build what ASML have, but it's impossible for ASML to ever go back to a world where there's only one player in town.
Companies built around monopolies tend to do badly when they lose it, and they tend to do VERY badly if they lose the world's biggest customer to their new competitor.
By forcing ASML down this route, America has started a irreversible process that's almost guaranteed to end in ASML's collapse.
Very well said.
Except the chip industry has always been a monopoly. But nice try though 😂😂
@@plantiron And who's the one with monopoly?
Capital that has more than anyone 😂 they can re engineer or still the blueprints what good is it when the world knows you can simply ban a phrase with word Pooh 😅
"To be an enemy of the US is dangerous, but to be a friend can be fatal."
He has been proved right in his prediction. SMIC now mass produces Kirin 9000s using 7nm process
There is now an analysis and speculation that China has adopted different technical routes for the light source of litho machines. As we all know, in order to export and transport across oceans, ASML's litho machines must be miniaturized.
In fact, China does not lack EUV light sources, even is the world leader. What troubling the researchers is how to miniaturize them.
But now, under U.S. sanctions, a lot of Chinese institutions and enterprises are focusing on domestic needs and no longer expecting international orders. They directly use ultra-large-scale light source which originally used for experiments and hydrogen fusion.
Relying on one huge accelerator to supply multiple lithography production lines at the same time, separating the light source and lithography machine is likely to be the China's answer.
I am watching the vedio on my Huawei mate 60 pro.
China is now building the world's first SSMB-EUV light source based on laser modulated synchrotron radiation, i.e. particle accelerator.
Compared to ASML's LPP-EUV, which blasts liquid Tin pellets with laser, SSMB-EUV has superior power, more continuous power output, narrower wavelength range, smaller wavelength and continuously adjustable wavelength. i.e. pitch at silicon physical limits with maximum yield.
Only drawback is the accelerator is big and can't be shipped, which isn't a problem for China.
Not that China isn't also building LPP-EUV, they also have a prototype of that machine to hedge their bets, but if SSMB-EUV comes online, ASML becomes obsolete with no hope of ever catching up.
ASML says „Thank you Uncle Sam „
@@tonyl7337 we will see.
Being enemy of uncle sam is bad being friend is fatal
We (West) underestimate China since mao. Its part of capitalism to overweigh the short term efforts
China is on the Moon, its on Mars, and Saudi Arabia is going to sell oil to China in Yuan. Our arrogance is our achilleas heal.
Lol.. thats the power of thief!
no, you missed the point, C C P should have been trying to make their own chips all along instead of trying to copy without a license which failed so then C C P shadow companies were trying to buy up the worlds supply.
@@meriliu8688thief always talk about others even though they were thief themself at the beginning!
@@jaoolai5299😂
Mr. Elstrom is absolutely right on! Biden's administration should have learned lessons from the space program competitions with China.
Elstrom is the stupid Bloomberg reporter. The ASML CEO's name is Winnick or Wennick or something like that.
American politicians learning something? 🤣🤣🤣
no, you missed the point, C C P should have been trying to make their own chips all along instead of trying to copy without a license which failed so then C C P shadow companies were trying to buy up the worlds supply.
@@hayden1770
Isn't that something to see ?
🤣
Trump did something similar. American politicians never learn unfortunately.
This video has aged well… they now figured it out
Yup, ASML lost both a valueable customer and their monopoly in the game. It's just a matter of time when China will catch-up with latest lithography technology.
The same was the case with Russian sanctions. I am really happy that American goonism is backfiring
USA will still have potato chips once china produces new optical chips
no, you missed the point, C C P should have been trying to make their own chips all along instead of trying to copy without a license which failed so then C C P shadow companies were trying to buy up the worlds supply.
USA can just get them from ASML. ASML is lightyears ahead of anything the Chinese will be able to do in the next decades
China only has a chip shortage and an over abundance of debt and unemployment.
If only we can pay our politicians with potato chips...
Totally agree. Natural challenges make humans develop and innovate better. Go China on Chip industry. 👍👍
Few years ago like I visited Beijing University Semiconductor Lab. Study group. Let me tell you they are far ahead then the world knows, Chinese are known to keep everything inside and low key, they are build that way. I have seen they were working on photolithography machines, not only that lots of research In Diffusion, Etching, Vacuum systems, Sputtering machines, Particle counters, SRD and other equipment.
They are introverts, introverts tend to keep low key and don't like being talkative, but US see them as secrecy, and introverts react slowly but assertively like China (like Huawei) did on fighting back, US should know them better!
China has now made a major breakthrough in euv lithography, with Tsinghua providing the main solution
@@wyz9815Faaacts 😅😂
EU will pay the price for it’s master’s misadventures
US may cut the sale of EUV Machines to China but shouldnt ban the sale of US Chip to China eg NVidia, Qualcomm 5G chips to Huawei, and so on.
The ban only push them to develop their own technology.
A ceo was right now china made a kirin 9000 chip
And Biden said: "I only care about my election in Nov. Your problem isn't my problem."
That's a CEO that knows the business and clearly deserves his position. This aged very well
Few weeks back china announced it has successfully created 7nm chips via DUV lithograph...
Anything China announces doesn't make it true.
DUV made by ASML
this is bad CEO absolutely knew true reality about Chinese tech
no, you missed the point, C C P should have been trying to make their own chips all along instead of trying to copy without a license which failed so then C C P shadow companies were trying to buy up the worlds supply.
Just take a look at the CEO's changing views on this matter in the past few years
He is not bad. He want to sell it to China but US doesnt allow it. 😅😅😅
Very true! China invented the modern Lithography tech, Burn-Jeng Lin was ignored by the chinese government and ASML grew from 30 employees to the current giant! China just bought from other countries instead of develop within while at the same time Taiwan expanded inhouse development. China is now forced to do the same... so it's just a matter of time. We need to work MUCH harder!
ASML is lightyears ahead already. It will take china decades.
became reality😮
SSMB-EUV under construction at Xiong
An a city south of Beijing
The US banned China from the ISS. How did that work out????😂
Give china another 7month may start making 1 nm chip😂😂
1nm silicon chips ain't possible, but China is the far away leader in research in carbon based chips, and carbon chips can be clocked at terahertz speeds.
And he's right. Too late now to get back to business as usual.
this is aging well
Are the Chinese haters still alive? Now, Huawei mate 60 pro uses 5G chips designed and made in China.
Just like space station 😂😂😂😂😂
A technical advantage does not last long.
Lmao it happened
In the West, DANGER is one world with one meaning. But in China, it consists of 2 words DANGER + OPPORTUNITY. The sanction of the Hegemonic US was no doubt a danger to China but at the same time it gave China the opportunity, determination, and undying spirit to research and innovate new products
They are working hard the Chinese are people who think and work
We need to know and respect this
The CEO is right.
This has already happened im china!
China should just ask Intel and AMD to leave their country
Its just started no? Foreign chips being phased out, start from gov & enterprise level.
well, obviously he is right. Huawei released its 7nm chip Kirin9000s.
China always solves technical problems in a simple and cheap way.
Biden: I’m 80, why do I care.
no, you missed the point, C C P should have been trying to make their own chips all along instead of trying to copy without a license which failed so then C C P shadow companies were trying to buy up the worlds supply.
No doubt why he is the ceo
The last thing Chinese people lack is patience
Yep... "Wait by the river long enough..."
@@BatCountryAdventures and Nazis body float by
They have plenty of it.... that's why they are not reacting violently because of all these unjustified sanctions.
In the wise words of DJ Khalid. “Congratulations you just played yourself”. 😂
I thought their CEO and engineers said it will take 100 years before China can produce ASML equivalent chips?
Too late, ASML. You are not needed. Bye 😂😂😂
Karma is real for not having a balls
Chip and chip equipment makers are not that profitable. Without china as a top buyer, their own scalability and survival is very much in question 😂
Will? They already have!
Isn't it normal to look for alternatives? I'm surprised he took so long to realise that.
But what does bidden know about semiconductors?
Don’t say you weren’t warned.
What can go wrong, sanctions always work isn't it ?
Its not wise to buy Fish but it is rather wiser to learn "How to Fish" 😂
Looking down at Chinese at the beginnings is the start of their mistakes. Head to head with them making it worst.😂
China is not grabbing Taiwan because of tsmc, cas it don't seem that China is grabbing Japan or SK when it has the technology to produce 3nm too.
TCMC is only Fabrication facility,they only, make Chips. They just own the equipment and facility and IP. Customers like Apple, HP, Cisco and others provide Masks, Quarts and other software files to make Chips or Wafers. TSMC have no idea what they are making or function of Chips. It’s also called contract manufacturing.
Today is 2023-09-10. Huawei finally gives birth to the 5.5 G Mate 60 pro and Mate X5. This video was made 7 months ago. Prediction correct!
Lol its already happening with or without the restrictions.
Not as fast as it could be. What people fail to understand is that Chinese business are exactly that - businesses responding to market forces. If they have an option to obtain technology from abroad, they're not going to reinvent the wheel. The Chinese government has tried mightily to change this dynamic but results have been mixed.
These curbs change everything. Now cash-rich Chinese fabs are going to invest in toolmakers and do whatever it takes to bring them up to speed.
Yes, then you know ASML want to earn this money when China hasn’t made out
They are cloning the ASML machine right now :)
Another space station situation in the making
no, you missed the point, C C P should have been trying to make their own chips all along instead of trying to copy without a license which failed so then C C P shadow companies were trying to buy up the worlds supply.
C C P space station is using Soviet technology (chinese are not capable)
Soviet technogy, American technology, soon who will be the only one up there?
@@vivafreedom4947
Chinese space station is more advanced than the current ISS.
@@ajaykumarsingh702 C C P space station is ex-soviet technology dude
I mean..
Just look at their space program
It is amazing reading Americans hubris here. Western journalism can be garbage.
This is very obvious
Aged like wine...
He said elephant in the room
my father works for nvidia he can offer a job or intern to any colelg studetns from the top 30 unvieities with at least 3.6 gpa and cs degree or major.
What a wise man
The us can't stop china that is laughable 😆 🤣
Lol 😂😂😅🤣🤣 China played the game Art of War - Sun Zu on America 🙌🏾👍. Let the adversary underestimate us and let our results do the talking 😂😅 China has now developed their own Chips lol
TSMC is the top holding in a lot of international ETFs and index funds.
TSMC don't have lithography tech, they'll fold instantly without ASML.
The only fab that won't will be Chinese ones.
Did you even notice TSM stocks have been tanking in price since Biden's announcement of the ban? It's because China bought most of TSM's chips. The ban will cause TSM to lose a lot of revenue... China already has the chip design technology, it just has not machine to make the chips due to the U.S. ban of ASML to sell China the machines. So, China now is looking into also making their own machines. TSM has no future. The drop in TSM's revenue will make TSM's competition with other chip makers like Intel, Samsung & Nvidia even more intense because the pie is cut much smaller by the USA. China buys 75% of the total chips made in the world.
Tsmc is already gonna go downhill . Huawei mate 60 pro released
Chinese are also very united when facing pressure from outside for the history reasons. US united all Chinese and Chinese government together this time. Many Chinese objected to Chinese government's plan to pour money into IC making due to their trust on the free trade and pure market economy. US's sanctions successfully silenced all of those people instantly.
Dude, Taiwan cannot even produce a single Litography Machines.
At least China can produce 96nm litography machine and will release 28nm Lito Machine late this year.
😂😢😅
this CEO has future sight ~ how he know
Oh no, our chip makers might have to finally innovate and hire more people domestically to lower upstream to consumer costs.
TO LATE TO CLOSE THE GATES. THE HORSES HAVE ALREADY BOLTED. JUST A MATTER OF TIME CHINA WILL DEVELOP THEIR OWN AND WILL ONLY USE DOMESTICALLY MANUFACTURED CHIPS.
ASML just creates the scanner
maybe he get the conclusion without factor of XiJinping‘s leading😂
In the USA, we are so smart that we elect old mental problems. People as presidents.
That smart we are!
What a Suprise! 😆
Poor American
or steal yours like they just did recently, im talking about the designs for chips
Why hold the Technologies through Patents. Sharing is caring 😂😂😂
The US is getting desperate, or they wouldn't have pulled a moved like this.
The Chn developed their own ISS, what do you expect by cornering a country of billion people from preventing making their own 7nm chip? Of course it's just the question of time when...
"A cornered rat is the most dangerous"
no, you missed the point, C C P should have been trying to make their own chips all along instead of trying to copy without a license which failed so then C C P shadow companies were trying to buy up the worlds supply.
Crystal ball
Look at all these chinese bots in the chat lol
So you agree they are right! lol
Now the whole world knew...he was telling the truth🌝🌝🌝🌝
The reason central banks are buying gold is because of uncertainty. China Running over Taiwan is certainly if you know how the gold market really works.
The reason Gold is being purchased is because the US Dollar is less useful now that you can Buy Oil from Saudi in Yuan, and you can buy from Russia in Gold. So in the last year 2/3's of the worlds oil is now no longer traded in Dollars. ( tho Saudi still sells most of their oil in Dollars )
No, not possible under current leadership.
Why?
LOL. China's domestic DUV will debut this year. Cry me a river then. China is also testing the domestic EUV as we speak. Your hatred of China makes you unable to think critically.
Well well well
The very best Chinese scientists and engineers work alongside with the very best Indian, Russian and other scientist and engineers from all around the world in the USA.
@howiescott5865
They did!
But it's so annoying to be accused of spying just because they are Chinese that they are rethinking that choice.
China will regain some of those experienced scientists, I think.
USA should sell chips to China as otherwise whom you will sell chips to? only South Korea develops phones and they had Taiwan supply chips to them.
Bingo