Jurgen Klinsmann's Nations League criticism is ridiculous - Shaka Hislop | ESPN FC
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- Shaka Hislop tears into Jurgen Klinsmann’s comments to ESPN about the impact the CONCACAF Nations League will have on the United States men’s national team. Hislop, Craig Burley and Alejandro Moreno examine the impact being in CONCACAF has on the U.S. and Mexico, how the two regional giants can improve despite their local competition and whether the two federations are more concerned with profits than results.
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I agree with Jurgen klissmann the concacaf nation league is ridiculous
The Gold Cup too!
what would you put in its place instead?
Arturo maybe make the qualifiers for the World Cup more interesting
How do you make the qualifiers more interesting?
Christopher Pujadas put the 1st and 2nd place team from concacaf go straight to Qatar while 3 and 4th place of hex go to the knockout stage
Gold cup is more of a useless competition than the MLS which is no surprise
Ronaldo the G.O.A.T gold cup should be every four years
Mls is good for us, gold cup is a useless competition though
Alex Krick yea have they ever gone to the FIFA club World Cup
Ronaldo the G.O.A.T MLS has helped small Central American countries develop players saying its useless is just blasphemous
Its a joke. How does this benefit México and the United States when we need to compete against tough South American teams? Sorry but Haiti doesn’t compare to Argentina.
Neither does Mexico or US. Put Concacaf best 11 against Chile and we'll probably lose.
There's been times where Mexico and US have lost or tied with Honduras, Panama, Costa Rica, and Jamaica. Let's be humble here.
Juan S As a Haitian I agree with you(especially since we only got a point from two recent games against curaçao)
Yeah man US and Mexico should do their WCQ through Commebol let’s see how that goes
US is scared to play high altitudes in South America.
Correct me if I’m wrong, but didn’t the USA miss the last WC ?
Yes they did
But they can beat Trinidad. Play Trinidad and you can't qualify for anything
correct, and Jurgen was a big, big part of our failure. Sour grapes on his part.
CONCACAF should unite with the CONMEBOL and make competitive tournaments. both teams tournament as nations competitions.
united they are 51 football associations, with lots of weak nations but also with strong nations as Mexico, Chile, Argentina and Brazil.
Brazil, Argentina, Mexico and USA have some of clubs with more spectators in their stadiums worldwide.
Marpagapa L exactly I’ve been saying this forever that’s the only way to better the game. There was a time when Bolivia and Venezuela couldn’t win a game during WCQ now they are extremely competitive. They don’t qualify but they compete against Brazil and Argentina and make it hard for them. Maybe not unite the 2 federations but make a Copa America involving the 2 federations and regions
why would CONMEBOL want to merge with CONCACAF?
Arturo money
I agree. This would solve both problems easily.
Shaka brings up an excellent point. If you fail in the first or second round of CONCACAF, you don’t play again for like two or three years. Getting the chance to play year in year out will improve the overall quality of CONCACAF
Klinsman is right. The Nations League is a waste of effort and time but it does give smaller nations an opportunity on a somewhat bigger stage
Shaka Is right I think for the benefit of Concacaf USA and Mex especially needs to be more accountable
ESPN brought to you by concacaf
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Nations League in Europe makes it more difficult to schedule friendlies against UEFA.
At the end of the day CONCACAF is our region and if we want more competitiveness then more competitions is a good thing. Friendlies against the Uruguay B/C team can only do so much when nothing is at stake
The US needs a new coach. The guy couldn’t win an MLS Cup and he’s running our national team. It’s like graduating middle school and asking the teacher to teach you college curriculum.
Who are you talking about? Klinsman isn’t US coach anymore...
They had there coach. He is the one making these statements.
His brother works for US Soccer and they have cut a deal to promote the mediocre MLS.
Listen no disrespect but the USA are no where near being a World Cup team
They can make it, they have a 40% chance in my opinion. If they can do better than Panama or Jamaica then maybe we can make the play off spot and beat New Zealand...? 🤔
Bardock doubt it
Bardock but anything is possible
@@billyperales9036 Its possible. We got the players
Facts
The only reason I like the Gold Cup is to give small countries in our region a platform to participate. Seeing Haiti, Curaqao fans celebrate their success was heart warming but there should be a “Copa America’s” tournament involving the top 4 Concacaf teams with Conmebol teams.
Change the PAY TO PLAY system and you’ll see what difference it makes!
I see a lot of people talking and pretending like they know what they are talking about. If playing in concacaf is the reason for the USA not being better than they are then why are the likes of Scotland not better than they currently are?
Player development is a everyday thing not just every couple of years playing in a copa america type tournament. The USA is not going to get better by simply getting outclassed by the Brazil's of the football world.
Also keep in mind that the best americans athletes don't play football to begin with.
use your resources to help build the quality of the rest of Concacaf, then you won't need to outsource for competition in the long term
If I was running Mexicos national team, I would send a U17-U20 squad to the gold cup and send my best squad available to Copa America.
Jose Garcia problem is they earn more money from the Gold Cup and they would make less if they sent a youth squad than if they sent their stars.
thats what a team would do, send their A squad to the more competitive tournament and send the b/c squad to the second...
Nations League is good for smaller countries like where I live (Puerto Rico), but honestly USA playing against Cuba is a joke.
Klinsmann’s criticism is not ridiculous at all. It's exactly on point. And apparently that point has been missed by Shaka Zulu Hislop. He has his own agenda he was speaking about. No, the US has no obligations towards the other CONCACAF nations, their benefits and their development. US has to worry only about its own. US host the Gold Cup because it has the fields, can bring in the crowd and the sponsors. And btw, the Gold Cup is ridiculous competition. US and Mexico are better off competing in the Copa America every time. But USSF prefers to make money rather than develop players.
It's a waste of time because USA needs tougher opponents not playing the same teams again and again. We need a foreign coach with a good CV, make the international windows count and face stiff opponents. No time to waste.
When it comes down to it the failure of US soccer is systemic. From a young age American soccer players are at a major disadvantage in the states. The only hope for them to learn how to be proper soccer players is to go abroad which doesn't happen very often. The states are just not producing young talent.
its3quiet that’s because soccer players in the U.S have to Pay to play, there’s a vast reservoir of talented youth in the U.S but they simply can’t afford the tournament fees, club fees, gear costs etc. only the rich can, and well that only leaves about 1% of America’s total population since out of the percentage of rich people most want to play American football, tennis and or golf. So yeah the system needs change.
@@stargazer1804 Couldn't agree more. That's what was I alluding to. There are many reasons why they're not producing young talent and the pay to play culture here is definitely one of them.
Another is the college route to the MLS. Most colleges won't produce talent that some soccer academies could.
its3quiet that’s because they want it to be like American football where college teams are a big thing, they want it that way because if college football gets big then they can exploit that system and milk it for cash like the American football and if it doesn’t get big then what does it matter to them, they still make tons of cash off COPA ORO/ GOLD CUP to continue buying out retired big names to fill out their league stadiums, all they care about is money, they are pussies like the boys at espn said, they don’t want to put their money where their mouth is.
There’s no “meaningful” matches in CONCACAF
Concacaf Nations League for life!
Klinsmann has a valid point
Klinsmann's statements are correct. The nation's league is a waste of time and a money grab. However, let's not pretend that the US is some kind of "Brazil" in the region that will beat any of these Concacaf teams without any effort. U.S ALWAYS struggles to beat the "weak" teams even in its best form. As crappy as Concacaf competition can be the U.S. or even Mexico can't unanimously beat every team. Until the U.S. can dominate the region and is without a doubt the king of the region then we shouldnt get ahead of ourselves. Beat your local competition and progress towards better competitions.
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is CONCACAF any worse than where Australia & New Zealand play? is having an easy path to WC hurting them?
lots of whining about geography.
Yes CONCACAF is worse. Australia and NZ are in Oceania for qualifying, but compete in the Asian Cup along with Japan, S Korea, China and to name a few
@@coachhbosoccer NZ don't
@@coachhbosoccer you don't know nothing
@@coachhbosoccer Mexico and USA would smoke those teams any day
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It doesn't matter if the usa plays Argentina every match since half the team is still in mls and maybe 1 or 2 start on champions league caliber teams. Day in and day out the players play in terrible league mls clubs where they dont have to compete.
playing as a national team against an argentina, france or england improves the endurance, mentality and strength of the team, you wont be as "challanged" playing a guatemala or trinidad as to the teams i mentioned
I think people may disagree with me on this but Sargent, Dest, Yedlin, and Mckennie should stay with their clubs and sit out this tournament. they are getting tons of playing time and I fear that calling them up will force them on the bench just look at Pulisic for example.
Black Yoshi yedlin doesn’t play
@@leoo2831 he played as a sub his first match back from injury
I agree with Shaka but he is not looking at it from a US point of view. They should help develop concacaf, but that means they Will not lock Horns with the best
BTW, the nation's league is really a joke. It only started 2 years ago. There is no history behind it and there is no passion behind it. The under 20 world cup and the Olympics has WAAAAY more history, passion and credibility than that joke of a competition "Nation's League"
Edit: wether Portugal or France or Italy win it it doesn't matter, it is still a big joke.
Every tournament started without history behind it dumbass
It's not really a joke, the whole point of it was to change the friendly system into something better and it succeeded in doing so. However, I do agree that the Nation's League as a major tournament is unnecessary.
What really is a joke is your comment. What history will something have when it just started? Did the WC have a history behind it when it started in the 1930s? The Euro Nations League is way better than playing worthless friendlies.
Still better than meaningless exhibition games which is the main reason for the Nations League. To make the time between tournaments more entertaining for the fans and the teams.
@@ludwinmax18 listen dumbass, yes every competition does start without history. But when it first started it didn't have credibility, it obviously didn't have history. Also you can't compare this competition with other competition that have been around for over 60 years. When those competitions where created, football was at a transition fa Faze. They where still trying to figure out what they can do to make it more enjoyable. Then TVs became more and more advance and licensing became big. Now it is 2019, football is completely transitionalized and the only reason they added Nation's League is for money. Nothing else. The only international competition in Europe that isn't a joke and isn't for money is the Euros 🤷🏼♂️. Not my fault that makes you cry...
Wow. I finally agree with them. 😂
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Facilitate games for the smaller countries, but US and Mexico should up their quality of friendly opponents. Spend the money to get better by traveling to South America and Europe. Our youth development programs have made huge strides, time to start competing against the best during national team breaks
Nations League benefits the smaller nations, but doesn't help progress the larger ones on the world stage. If the USA wants to regularly make the world cup last 16 or the quarter finals, then they have to accept the systems they have in place now will not get them there, ever.
Jurgen was right. Only way NT is gonna grow is id faces stiffer competition and its players take on harder leagues.
When Mexico actually took their best players to cop America they did really good. And they've won South America cup and have made the semis and finals for copa Libertadores. America, Pachuca, Tigres and Chivas have done well. Even Atlas did good in copa Libertadores. For Mexico its just the mentality in the defining game at the round of 16.
Did you see that game against Argentina? If you think they are as talented as them, then i am sorry to say you are living in denial. Mexico and the United States are in the same boat.
Lol yes we lost 4-0 . And Argentina tied Chile four days before that 0-0 and We beat them like 3 months before that 3-1 . Sooooooo.... Mexico beat Germany 1-0 and Argentina just tied them 2-2 . So whos where?
@@0a55204d So because you tied Chie and beating Germany who beat Argentina that means Mexico is one of the elite nations in the game are you serious? This is why people say Mexican fans are delusional you guys think you are some world power in futbol, when in reality you have no world cups to show for it. At least us America fans know we have a long way to go to become a soccer world power.
@@dnlprls I didnt say Mexico is a world power at all. Read carefully my friend. I just meant to show you we are not as bad as you say.
Youll see the next game Mexico has a good team we aren't gonna do as bad. Ill say Mexico is Top 16 and they always show it at the World Cups. Right now id say USA is 30 to 40th
So is U.S. Soccer better off with Christian Pulisic sitting on the bench at Chelsea or playing multiples of 90 minutes in the MLS?
If the U.S. is so much better than the other CONCACAF teams, then why did they get eliminated by Trinidad & Tobago in 2017?
The U.S. can't even beat the region's teams and now they are talking about playing in South America?
Give me a break.
If it wasn't for monetary reasons, there is no argument against merging concacaf and conmebol tournaments. The concacaf teams need to face more difficult opponents, and honestly how are conmebol teams not tired of playing against the same opponents over and over and over and over and over. How many times have Uruguay faced Brazil? 7897 times?
get Shaka off of FC. I understand wanting to have contrasting opinions, but he hardly ever makes sense.
He is from Trinidad and he is very bias that's why he is not making sense.
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America is one from Alaska to Patagonia, it should be the same in the wonderful game. Nations league with north and south
Four years from now the caribbean will take over the concacaf region🇯🇲🇸🇷🇨🇼🇭🇹🇹🇹🇧🇲
Shaka's looking at it at the perspective of other countries rather than criticizing it from a U.S.perspective. They're getting a lot of money, and they just smuggle it out for themselves.
Merge CONMEBOL and CONCAFAF.
Now that Klinsmann is a regular on the show, it will be interesting to see their views on it... 😉
I can see why shaka agaist it. It's more emotional rather than rational. Generally cocacaf toumement is not productive. Let's make the cocacaf toumement as qualifying to play for copa. So it's win win situation.
USMNT needs to invest in other countries league if they really care about the game
U.S,. Mexico, and Cuba should exit the CONACACAF and join CONMEBOL.
Cuba loss agaist Canada 7 to neal is an amateur team
They treat the players as robots as if paying them a lot makes up for it all.
As a someone from the americas tired of dis stupid argument it don't benifit 2 maybe 3 teams out of 40 if their so good play in the copa America it wouldn't even interfere with it
The more they disagree with Jurgen Klinsmann, the less the USMNT advances in world soccer.
Gold Cup is not only a useless competition, it's RIGGED..
Lol when the USA's best player is a 21 year old water boy that thought he could play for Chelsea FC, then they're in trouble. Until their whole starting lineup is playing in Europe, no one will ever take them seriously.
+1 Burley
Nations league is bullshit. You already have world cup, copa america, african cup of nations, euros now your gonna make a fake competition for no reason?. Let players rest for summer or they will get more injuries ffs
The US does not get better playing at this level. Mexico and the US need to play commebol opposition in bi-continental play. The invitation can be extend to Costa Rica, and Canada if they choose to but it’d be tougher going for them than the latter. Concacaf makes itself better in the long run by fostering better rivalries between its regional nations and putting more emphasis on development of its smaller nations, also they benefit with more inclusion into the WC with the 4 spots already basically reserved every time now gone, it’s wide open. As for the US and Mexico, new rivalries with the big dogs, better relations, igniting that growing spirit of futbol in the US and a demand to do better because of it. You have to play the harder levels to get better, it’s no coincidence that Mexico and The US never make WC runs, you’re not built for the competition and you get mauled in the fray.. every time. You have to take that risk.
In reality, Getting slaughtered by Brazil all the time wont help these teams in the short term (at least financially) and Im sure teams like Brazil, Argentina etc aren't all that interested in regular games vs the US as it doesnt benefit them either. Long term, however, playing those types of teams will inevitably make them better. Playing trinidad and guatemala wont help the program.
Shaka "USA shouldn't hate and be grateful" 2 minutes later "I agree the gold cup and nations league not benefiting USA"
Two different context it is said
@@danielwestjr Not really bud
So it's just for the USA and Mexico to play against better competitive teams? Wauw, what a false argument.
then why don't the us join the south amercain bracket and jus leave concacaff
USA had a huge step back ever since they fired klinsman. With klinsman they finished 4th place in copa America and got out of the group of death in the World Cup. And would win friendlies away against top nations like Germany,Holland, Italy. Finally beat México at azteca. After that, they didn’t even qualify to the WC and they keep getting clapped by Mexico and keep on calling these mls players as their main core while leaving out the players in Europe.
8 minutes of talking over a fairly simple often repeated point. Level of competition in MLS and CONCACAF is poor which ends up hurting US soccer. Is this anything new?? This cycle will continue to repeat itself, nothing to really see here or even get exasperated about.
Shaka is ridiculous for thinking Jurgen’s comment about nations league being ridiculous are ridiculous. CONCACAF teams are poo. It’s like Pros vs a Sunday league team. Real competition is in Europe and South America or even Africa.
Ridiculous ? This is why the us doesn’t improve we are never held responsible
Americans praise mediocrity. Rather win low end tournaments than compete. It’s the “Participation Medal” mentality. There should be a “Copa America’s” tournament. Concacaf version of Eurocup.
Man why does FIFA have to create the Concacaf Nations League. The region is not really that great to have another competition. This is a joke.
CONCACAF (not FIFA) created it so that while South American, Asian, and African teams are playing 2022 WCQ games and European teams are playing 2020 Euro qualifiers, the CONCACAF teams can play "more meaningful" games (versus friendlies they would inevitably play against each other). So instead of the US playing Canada in a friendly, now they play Canada in the Nations League. And, of course, they're trying to raise money to _hopefully_ better the training and games in countries like Trinidad, Panama, Curacao, Guatemala, etc.
Messi fans trying to be little the nation's league 😂😂😂😂, obviously it has no history it started recently, obviously it doesn't mean nth now, if Argentina win it u guys gonna stfup..
Yeah but Argentina doesn’t compete in it. It’s just for concacaf countries
@@sixfiftychris I kn , that's why I said if Argentina was in it ...
Wesley McLeish I didn’t see the point of brining them into the discussion, I don’t even watch soccer but it seems like they were pretty irrelevant to this competition anyways
@@sixfiftychris Wesley out here assuming the Nations League haters are just hating on the Nations League because Ronaldo won it 😂 (I am a fan of Portugal and Ronaldo and am happy they won it, but the Nations League is no Euro or World Cup. I am aware)
@@JosephMartin7 uefa doing right thing just like concacaf is the governing body of all regions. To help their teams grow
Shaka really doesn't know anything about football. Or he must be paid for saying this. It's shameful.
Look at this Shaka guy....Never accomplished anything in his career and trying to talk about Klinsmann...You're not even fit to tie his shoes...
Chill he's from trinidad of course he's going to be bias and defend the lower teams in concacaf some people just don't like to admit the truth. Concacaf is a bad confederation and he doesn't want to accept it.
Shaka a strophic. nonsensical shaka. The gold cup is a joke and love him or hate him Jurgen has a point. How many times throughout the ages do you hear you have to compete with the best to be the best. Iron Sharpens Iron from the other Espn fc guy who did the interview. Shaka is probably defending it because of Trinidad and Tobago which by the way is closer to South American then North America.
Peru? Bolivia? Paraguay? Venezuela? Those are hig boys? USA and Mexico would qualify.
Ramon Martinez Paraguay and peru would beat the USA half the time
@@pacoalonso373 Bolivia Mexico would be tight
Paul Surinamo yeah just like how USA-MEX was tight,0-3,and like MeX-PAR was tight,4-2 or like Mex-VEN was tight,3-1. Or how Chile fell off a Cliff now and we beat them 3-1 too,but the USA can barely salvage a draw against an Uruguay C/D squad and a mediocre chile now
ATL United could beat US mens national team what a joke
Man city would beat England so what's your point?
Atlanta United could beat an MLS USMNT, but they would be a joke against a non-MLS USMNT side. MLS level is trash, that's why Miguel Almiron has 0 goals and assists with Newcastle despite moving there at the start of the year and having a preseason.
@@rlubin9356 Good point
@G P Also best fan base and stadium help
@@ichigo2012hollowmask Just need to put Almiron in better spots and he will come around to help the team!
Jurgen Klinsmann definitely isn’t knowledgeable as he’s shown with his tenure as coach.
NO THE US HASNT BENEFITED FROM BEING A BIG FISH IN A SMALL POND. NO ONE IN SUCHA SITUATION EVER, EVERRRRR GROWS.
THE US ISNT GETTING BETTER, ITS GETTING WORSE.
SORRY SHAKA, YOURE WRONG.
This whole thing is about money . Bottom line
Nations league is just glorified friendlies
Klissman the concacaf nation league is a waste of time ,,, days later Canada 2- USA 0 .................
@@bepo5931 yea but the point is that they think that no one can beat USA in the nation's league and Canada do it.
@@bepo5931 yea but it was because USA do more goals than canada
@@bepo5931 to wait that teams get better for the next nation's league.
@@airsora5885 you are right
MESSI > RAPE-NALDO 🤷🏼♂️🔵🔴
Ronaldo> pessi the choker
@@ronaldotheg.o.a.t9661 😂😂 best joke I've ever heard! I'd rather have Andy Fati on my team than that fraud Penaldo🤡🤡
🤦♂️
Tee Young Ronaldo doesn’t choke big leads against big teams but for pessi it’s easy to choke 2 times in a row in the UCL
Toaster I can’t take you seriously with a stupid name like that
Who cares hahahahahahahahaha
2:36 I don’t know anyone who goes “crazy” over the gold cup. There’s interest but, no one goes “crazy”. This dude know a couple of things here and there and them acts like he knows it all.
*Shaka Hislop is a FIFA shill. He shows it all the time!!! Especially with his reluctance to criticize VAR! It’s so obvious with these comments*
now that he got fired he’s taking shiet, he never said anything when he was milking the system
jurgen is typical jurgen. he never takes responsibility for his own failures. we failed because he couldn't coach. period.
USA did not qualify for WC long after he left
Truth thats why South Korea fire him
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