I think it’s important to put SOME part of yourself into a story but when you look at a story and can FEEL that this is just a “personal story” for the creator than there is something about that just turns me off to it. Gravity Falls is based on Alex Herchish’s summers with his aunt but it never FEELS like it JUST that.
At the end of the day, if you write a bad story, you write a bad story. It can be the most personally touching story or have the deepest message possible but if you fail to write it good you fail to make it good
When the voice actor addressed the primo controversy she sounded like a smug know it all who didn’t actually do any research and instead used herself as evidence for claims. When she said we’re making a show for kids it reminded of when the main writer for Teen Titans Go said the show is stupid but it’s for kids, so it doesn’t matter.
I've been loving seeing actual people from Latin America making videos detailing every reason why she is actually wrong and deeply uneducated on the history of South America and Spain as well as the origins of the Spanish language.
@@user-is9nm4vw8jThere are shows for adults have bad writing too so I don’t think it matters whether it’s for kids or not. Some shows are just meant to be stupid entertainment and nothing more. Although it doesn’t mean they can’t be criticized.
@@lukeskywalker9507 whether it’s an children show or an adult show, it’s no excuse for bad writting. That was my point. Even if the show meant to be stupid or mindless action like John Wick it should at least have a decent script that make the film or show works and not just being stupid for the sake of being stupid.
honestly i fell like the 'it's for kids' statement doesn't matter because a story is a story. if anything children shows should be better than adult shows because most children shows are to educate and when the educator is bad for any reason then the education is bad.
There was a recent episode of "The Ghost and Molly McGee" where the main character Molly, who is part Thai, is visited by other members of her family. They speak Thai fluently and are more in touch with their roots, leaving Molly to frantically try to learn the language and traditional Thai culture because she's worried she's not "Thai enough". She ends up understanding that there is no such thing as being "Thai enough" and it's more important for her to simply embrace herself. It feels like this is what Primos was TRYING to go for, but they handled it in the worst way possible.
This comment also applies with another one of Disney’s shows amphibia. In the third season the main character Anne takes her adopted frog family to a Thai market and the frog family gets intrigued by Thai culture.
Watching Myrna Velasco say that "Spanish doesn't matter because it's a language from the Conquistadores" was so cringe and infuriating. There's so many things wrong with her response: 1) Her smug attitude. 2) The idea that Spanish grammar doesn't matter because it's a language from the "Conquistadores". Regardless of the history, it's still a rich language that represents and identifies thousands of people across the Americas. 3) The irony that she says so while speaking in English: another foreign language from European colonisers (SPOILER ALERT: the English were awful to the Native Americans too). 4) Blaming audiences for being "grammar-nazis", instead of acknowledging the creator's mistake of misspelling in a foreign language. 5) Saying that she's "Native American" just because she was born in the American continent. The majority of people in Latin America have a mixed ancestry of European and Indigenous Americans. Only a minority of people remain fully native, and to deny is is not only a lazy way of re-writing history, but actually erases the identity of the real Native Americans. 5) Not to mention, the reason why they're called "Latin Americans" it's because they speak Spanish, Portuguese or French...Romance languages that come from LATIN! 6) And Myrna most likely doesn't speak any Native American language either, yet she has the audacity to say she's Native but not Latin. That's cultural appropriation. 7) Thinking that she's so smart, when all she's doing is making her ignorance more apparent.
There are more speakers of Spanish outside of Spain than in Spain. Like a LOT more. Latin American varieties of Spanish are easily the most spoken forms of Spanish in the world.
"Coloniser" is a racist slur - it's used solely against Europeans, despite the fact every species/race either colonises or becomes extinct. It's used as a substitute for Imperialist, but if you say that word, you have to acknowledge that all sorts of Empires happened, not just white ones, and they all have bloody paths of conquest. I've seen Leftists arguing that we shouldn't have colonies on Mars because that would be what Colonists do. That's how poisoned the word has become. As if we could oppress the non-existent Martians by being there ...
@@louise4152the artists aren't part of the corporate downfall, their scouted by Disney executives who handpick them for their studio line ups and then drop them to the curb once their done, Disney is a mega Corp not an actual art studio.
@@Attmay What? I'm confused how you're saying that someone random being racist is somehow the reason why this VA and this show should be defended despite also being racist?
@@vermis8344 You can't play the race card when 1. The people who are complaining are the same race as you to some extent 2. You made a very racist comment while defending something that's been accused as racist.
I don't even know what to comment about that Primos voice actress's way of handling that entire situation. I seriously could not even imagine a worse way to approach it, but she somehow managed to do so.
This! The whole 'uh, you used the wrong grammar' would have been a nothingburger if that nimrod hadn't started shouting "Colonisers! Colonisers!" What a maroon.
@@barrybend7189 The truer hilarity: "I'm a Mexican American, Native American." She is a citizen of the USA with Mexican ancestry. Trying to argue that Spanish is a colonizer language while fluently calling herself "American" twice in English is next-tier irony.
@@Attmay Whatever. I hope it gets cancelled and then hire new creators that actually care about Latin American culture, so they make a new show that is actually worthwhile.
I feel like when it comes to movies about “very personal” stories they need to be presented in a manner that’s interesting for people who haven’t had these experiences too.
Probably doesn't help that while it is a stereotype that spanish families are big, it is a common reality, however a lot of spanish people don't really... "deal" with it, its a positive thing, it only looks weird to say... someone who is an outsider of the culture, an american in every way, and perhaps sees the stereotypes as being evil and detrimental despite the fact that its just a common hood of a culture not your own... such as perhaps... the creators of the show?
I loved Encanto and Turning Red, very different stories and I relate to neither- but they're still intriguing and engaged me. This seems different. I just don't really see the appeal.
I gave a choice to my kid (a girl) to rewatch zootopia or watch little mermaid or elemental in the theatre. She said they look like crap and she preferred watching zootopia at home or go for Spiderman/GoG3. Need I say more.
"we are making a show for kids that feel left out, so lets show them an incorrect way to speak spanish so they learn incorrectly and make them look like idiots" 😂
Historically, Spanish is a colonizer language, but dismissing the fact that it is NOW a national language in many Latin American Countries is being tone deaf and entitled. I am not expecting her to apologize. She thinks she's valid in her response. Disney has become creatively bankrupt in my opinion.
If she finds it so offensive then why was she speaking Spanish in the first place. Also English is a colonizer language and she was making her criticism in that language! Lounging around she comes across as an entitled millennial.
@@jcdf2 The hypocrisy wasn't lost on me regarding the use of English. In Central and South America, Spanish wasn't a thing until the Spaniards and Portuguese starting exploring and conquering those regions. So, both are if you look at it that way.
I bet she thinks that the Aztecs were a bunch of peaceful hippies that sang kumbaya too, instead of the warmongering savages that made every other local group ally themselves with the Spaniards to eradicate them. And it’s so sad that I can find better writing and more original ideas in fanfiction. Even the crack stuff.
I mean even the fucking spaniards got colonized twice, first by the romans (tho it wasn't really a country just a bunch of tribes iirc), and then by the Moors (who are north african muslim) and modern spanish was basically vulgar latin with a bunch of loan words from arab. Calling spanish a colonizer language is kinda fucking stupid.
You can blame all the people who latched onto Sebastian having a Caribbean accent in the first adaptation BY MISTAKE!! to make the claim it was all taking place in the Caribbean.
If the idea behind the opening being gramatically wrong was "Tater doesn't speak Spanish so shes saying things wrong," then wouldn't it be better to have Tater being the only one saying it wrong? She's not the only one singing in the opening, so why not have her cousins say "oigan primos"? Also, I feel like "she doesnt speak spanish" isnt an excuse to call one cousin a derogatory term for housemaids and another "little pussy."
People are being extremely over dramatic. NO ONE uses “proper grammatically correct” phrases in a normal household. That’s like if in a English speaking house people are saying “excuse me listen to what I have to say cousins!” When I’m reality no one says that and you’ll be getting a “yo cuz”. People seriously need to find something better to do with their lives. Being on twitter all day is pathetic.
@@zedmiasma7304 nah, they would say "Hey cousins" which is proper grammatically correct and indicates the want to be listened, yo cuz doesn't says anything by itself. In Spanish because of their proper grammatically correct rules you have to say "Oigan Primos" because primos is in plural and Oigan is the plural of Oye. Oye is for singular individuals to get their attention while Oigan is for a group of people, which the word Primos, the plural of primo indicates. I have a better idea, why don't you gringo pieces of shit stop desecrating my language with your ignorance, that would be great.
@@zedmiasma7304 You're an American, so of course you see all of this as an overreaction. If you're not Mexican and don't know what being discriminated and mocked is like, then you should keep your mouth shut about things you don't understand.
And the thing is they have done movies with meaningful messages about discrimination, ostracizing and racism before such as the Little Mermaid, Ratatouille and Zootopia. But the difference is they have good writing and characters. You can absolutely make a story with these themes but it still has to be a good movie within exploring these themes.
They are so bad at it is what the biggest problem is for me... between this latest backlash and the backlash from The Proud Family reboot, I won't be watching or showing my kid any of these Disney shows. PBS kids handles topics like race and civil rights history in a much more tasteful way. Like Xavier and The Secret Museum, a show made for pre schoolers, explaining to kids that black and white people once did not have equal opportunities to attend the same schools, ride in certain places on the bus, use the same water fountain, still portrayed in a way even a young child could understand and remember. Meanwhile Disney has a cast of black girls dance while their singular white girl friend stands in the corner wearing a sign around her neck saying "still not atoned." Like tf was that? The hell was that supposed to teach my kid? White = bad basically? No explanation, no context, no actual history. Just adult politics inserted into a kids cartoon. This isn't the way to educate kids on our countries history, this is just confusing and anger inducing and it will breed more racism and resentment in future generations. Not my kid. I'm not putting no more hate into this world.
@@Attmay Literally no one has any idea what you're trying to say in any of your comments, can you please just state what you mean instead of being so obtuse
Yes...I got from her tone and words, "I identify as an _estupido_. I want those with below average intelligence and drive to see themselves in me. Eh hehe."
I haven’t seen Elemental, mainly because I got stuck on something the trailer hinted at. Namely someone made of Fire and someone made of Water ignoring warnings and wanting to date, when its CLEAR that they could KILL eachother! The message ”Different people can date” and similar doesn’t work for me when it makes SENSE that they aren’t allowed to date.
@@TrixyTrixter Spoiler: Which is really weird considering she evaporates him when they get stuck in a tight room underground. How Wade even comes back doesn't make sense. Would've been neat if he came back when it rained and Ember crying thinking of him helps him find her or something.
Also, from a psychological standpoint, it’s not a good message. In terms of birds of a feather flock together vs, opposites attract? Similar personalities couples have been studied, and proven that they are far more likely to be healthier than couples with less in common. Your also more likely to stay in the relationship longer with someone who has more in common with you, in terms of likes and dislikes along with similar personalities traits. Introverted people tend to be happier when with an introverted partner vs, an extroverted partner, and vise versa. overall emotional satisfaction was higher in couples with similar hobbies and interests than couples with less or, no similar interests/hobbies.
… why do people on social media trying to talk about politics, religion, nationality act like smug people who think they’re better than anyone who thinks differently than them.
Narcissism, egotism, entitlement, never been outside their cozy bubble, no real world experience, lack of accountability, lack of empathy, lack of rationality, only listen to their echo chamber, think their piece of paper that says ‘degree’ is worth more than what it is, brainwashed by shallow and insecure people, the list goes on.
@@michaelknox3715I mean It's not anonymity because she shows her face and has her name tied to her account Anonymity at least keeps people honest and I rather have that then this constant social media attention and brownie point seeking we've been seeing latley that just feeds narcissistic people's egos
All this Primos drama has gotten me thinking about my parents. My father was an east LA Mexican and my mother was a Puerto Rican farm girl. They never spoke to us in Spanish, only in English. They did occasionally speak to each other in Spanish and some neighbors too, but when I'd ask them to translate songs, they couldn't. I'd always have to look it up online. One time, on a fan forum, I found Spanish speaking members talking about me; my parents couldn't translate it, so I had to go to google to figure out it was the typical mean girl stuff. Only now have I been wondering if my parents actually didn't speak very good Spanish. It didn't occur to me back then because I was a kid and I figured they knew what they were doing. I can't ask them now, they're both dead.
Not being rude with this question, but were they literate? It's not impossible that the issue is that they couldn't read/read well and didn't want to let on. We often take for granted, especially online that reading is actually a kind of difficult skill and not everyone can or can quickly/easily. Alternately they weren't good at/confident in the translation process. So they understand it in Spanish and could maybe understand it in English but switching between the two was difficult.
@@chucklebouf5379 It's okay, I'm not offended! I'm sorry if my first post implied that I loved my parents. They were living nightmares!!! The most Spanish I actually did see them read was simple things like warning signs, but nothing more than that. I know for a fact they could DEFINITELY read in English OMFG!!! They forced us to read the bible everyday and my dad for years was running around town as an illegal evangelist. One of my high school friends had to point that out to me. He told me to stop him, but stopping a Narcissist is like trying to find the corner of a sphere. Not that my mother was even better. Her brand of Narcissism came with an even bigger ego; she prided herself on being the only white-passing girl in her family, and the smartest because she attempted college. After she died, I talked to my aunts and they thought she was the smartest too, but when I told them about all the insane things she did throughout our childhood, they couldn't believe it. Recently, I've also been wondering if she might have been a little autistic, but again, I'll never know. Yeah, I think you're right about them not being all that confident in translating Spanish. Now It makes me super angry!!! They spent our lives not immersing us in our culture, raising us in a neighborhood mostly full of people who didn't speak Spanish either (it was a South East Asian community) , and then turned around and told other Spanish speakers that it was our own fault we didn't learn it growing up.
Speaking from personal experience, this is most likely because native Spanish speakers don’t speak what’s generally “taught”. My mom is Puerto Rican, my dad is Dominican, my step dad is from Honduras, and I grew up speaking a mix of rican/Dominican Spanish. And yes, it’s all Spanish but no it is not the same. Different dialects. I also had online friends from South America so I grew up speaking/reading 2 different kinds of Portuguese dialects. What people teach you in English schools and what’s translated through google is NOT ACCURATE. Sure, you’ll be able to translate it and know what the sentence is saying but once you bring it to a actual native Spanish person the sentence will make zero sense to them. You can try this out yourself using google translate. Flip the sentences around and you’ll notice they’re not translated exactly the same even though it’s supposed to mean the same thing. Dialects matter. I think what was happening with your parents is that you were showing them sentences that just didn’t make sense. Like for example Honduras Spanish is very close to Mexican dialect, anytime I speak to my step dad we have a hard time understanding each other. Many words have the same meaning but in general lots don’t and it makes communication difficult. It’s kind of like how some Spanish people dialects can understand a bit of Italian even though it’s considered it’s own language, it’s really just a different dialect of Spanish. I speak to my dad in my normal Dominican dialect that I grew up with and we understand each other just fine but sometimes when I talk to someone that’s Mexican it’s hard to fully communicate beyond a basic conversation. I think your parents were just confused.
@@zedmiasma7304 Thank you. THIS ANSWERS EVERYTHING!! My mind just exploded!! I hope you don't mind, but I'm gunna print this wall of text out for my journal. Bless your heart!
Disney: Grabs matches, gasoline and lights their entire empire on fire while watching it burn. Also Disney: Who would do such a horrible thing? I do not feel sorry for the multi billion dollar corporation at all, they deserve all the backlash they get. They made this bed, now they have to lie in it and no amount of virtue signaling, pandering, calling critics and fans toxic or bigots is going to save them. As a Caribbean born person myself, from Trinidad, TLM remake is an insult to everything I grew up knowing and I'd rather Disney put all their efforts into making a Caribbean princess instead of whatever this sloppy seconds of the original TLM was.
I agree, although making the little mermaid black didn't bother me (I'm white) and i think Halle is so pretty. I also don't care for the old movie that much, but I agree that it's better to make new princesses instead of race bend old ones.
@@jocelynecupcake I wouldn't have cared for it, had the media not went on an accusatory tirade against fans for disagreeing with the change and pointing out the flaws with it. Not to say there aren't genuine racist criticisms, but the majority of fans would not have had a problem with it prior, but the media likes to exacerbate, so yeah.
You actually see Tater misspell a spanish word in the very first episode. So Tater being not good at spanish is a part of her character just like the creator said. Why didnt the voice actress just say that? She's speaking these lines.
I'm not to sure if the VA is the one voicing Tater. But if she is, all the things she said about the Spanish language makes her the least appropriate person to voice a character who wants to improve her Spanish skills
@@AttmayBut considering she was the VA of the main character, the director and staff should have described who Tater so she can give the right delivery. I hear from other VAs who have channels here, like Alejandro Saab aka CyYu, who say that they although they do get to add something into the characters themselves. The foundation is always the main characteristics given by the writers and directors. So there's NO WAY she doesn't know this major detail about her own character.
@@gamedude412 Because it's easier to do it with animals and it's shit we've seen a hundreds times before. Have no idea why people think it's so much better.
The four elements, while a common concept, are such a cool thing too. Sure, you can't just do Avatar: The Last Airbender again, but they could've done something far more whimsical than what we got.
This is what happens when you have narcissists and activists imitating as writers, actors and directors that claim to be “self aware” but they aren’t self aware enough to realize that they are the ones who are actively causing their projects to fail because they continue to attack the fans or their potential audience. It’s just more of the same. It never ends well and they never learn.
Say, is it just me, or are many of the stories that Disney and Pixar make these days about the emotional struggle of the creators? Maybe that is, why they do not connect to a lot of people, because the themes are very specific. Older Pixar and Disney films had themes that everyone could relate to, such as: “moving on in your life” (Up), “being not appreciated for your talents” (Ratatouille), or “letting your child go” (Finding Nemo).
@@pisces2569 Based on or just full on adapations like we see these days? I definitely think the narcism self-insert need is hurting all of these stories.
Also, another thing is that, because they're personal stories, I feel like this is less a story being told and more like a way of showing their mommy and daddy issues (this is targeted at Turning Red, I don't know what to say for Elemental). Because in Turning Red, I feel like Ming's attitude and how Mei doesn't really go through (much of) a character arc, it's just the director trying to call out her parents and family dynamic. Also I do not want to hear anyone saying it's simply "not for me". I'm a Asian-Canadian girl who's a teenager and this didn't film didn't connect with me.
I don't understand it. Does Disney enjoy these losses? Do they enjoy the backlash they get when their actors open their mouth and say the most idiotic things? Because it keeps happening and they never seem to learn. It's a shame because I'm a long-time fan of the company. They have made some of my favourite stories and in many ways I admire Walt for his love of storytelling and entertaining. But in recent years, I just want them to crash. They've been on top for so long that they've forgotten what made them special, instead trying to get wrapped up in the politics of today.
They don’t care as long as they own most of the world’s (or at least America’s) entertainment. I want them to crash albeit for different reasons. They have become a monopoly and need to be split up
It's painfully obvious they notice these losses but think they are just a sacrifice for the greater good, they are completely braindead and only care about pumping out activist propaganda, I understand wanting to convey a message through art to raise awareness about an issue but oh boy are they fucking terrible at it
I want them to half-crash. I don't want to see Disney die, but I do want them to break a kneecap so they're forced to ditch one or two of their major IPs like Fox, Lucasfilm or Marvel. Give it back to their original owners so that they're forced to focus on making good animation again (and hopefully Marvel and Lucasfilm can reboot without Disney's oversight). As for the political stuff, I don't like them wedging their way into the culture war, but at the same time it is genuinely hilarious watching real-life demons like MoRon DeSantis get his ass legally whooped by the mouse. The main thing I don't like about Disney's politics is that their brand of corporate pseudo-progressivism is shallow and phoney and pandering.
I still consider this stupid theory, in my head, that someone who hates them snuck in, got into a powerful position, and just manipulates everyone in Disney to self destruct. This down time is nothing new to Disney. Why else would the renaissance exist if not for their dark age prior. But this version is more ... extreme. The temper tantrums definitely don't help.
Idk what you want them to do about their actors saying idiotic things. They can’t really control what people say. What do you expect any company to do about that?
Disney got a bit too greedy for their own good back in the 2010's, when they were trying to manage as many different franchises as possible to make as much money as possible. Instead of focusing on their own animated projects, they start spreading themselves thin across their theatrical animated films, their live-action remakes, their MCU movies, their Star Wars movies, and their Pixar films. As a result, the quality control across all of these projects has been slipping more and more with each passing year, and people are just getting tired of Disney in general (especially after the choices they've made with their live-action films and their Star Wars movies). I remember people were worried about what the potential long-term consequences would be of Disney becoming a monopoly in the entertainment industry, but I didn't think the consequences would start to catch up to them this quickly.
It was better when all Disney had in terms of pop media was Disney, and later Touchstone. Everyone else were their competition, with Don Bluth being a big arch enemy.
This is so sad. I really want to cry right now. I was born in 1990. I saw Disney as a magical world with its colorful imagination and fantastic musicals. If you had a VHS collection, the commercials would tell you everything. The movies from the Renaissance era feel like epic fairy tales. Pixar began its glory with Toy Story. And it gave us so many great memories when we were at Disneyland/Walt Disney World. But now, whoever runs the company is destroying it like they hate Walt Disney as a person and his legacy. They hired narcissistic supremacists who are making (mockingly) personal histories as an excuse for their "personal" hatred of their childhood and for being loathed by everyone. As a result, everything is bkeak and hollow. The movies are now generic and shallow, especially the nightmarish live-action remakes. Pixar is starting to lose their touch after the release of Onward, Turning Red, Lightyear, and of course Elementals. Not to mention its inferior sequels after Toy Story 3. And always shoving us with the products they have acquired like Marvel, Lucasfilms and Fox, which showed that they don't know what to do with them. Oh, and their obsession with diversity is nothing more than hypocrisy.
The current CEO of Disney is pretty good with how he views and handles things. However, many executives make bad decisions and don't consider what people ACTUALLY want as opposed to what they think will give them more profit. To be honest, I don't understand why they can't see how badly they're doing, and that they need to listen to their audience. The Disney Company has strayed from animation, its original source of magic. Perhaps if they honored their legacy by treating their artists the way they deserve and approve original content, things will be better.
Latinos are usually some of the most chill people on this side of things, along with the Japanese. Ideas of cultural appropriation and harmful stereotypes are fairly American concepts and some people in other parts of the world don't really share in those ideas, even when they are generally called the victims of this. Normally, when you see people on Twitter being angry over offensive depictions of hispanics, it is not those people themselves doing it. It is white people speaking on their behalf. The fact that in this case, with Primos, it is the ACTUAL latino people getting offended about it and calling it out for being cultural appropriation and using offensive stereotypes, you know that Disney seriously messed up. It takes a lot to offend the latinos.
@@sythepie it was silly, like speedy wasn't even a malicious stereotype because he's shown as the good guy, a cute little mouse that the audience loves
Part of the reason that it's hard to offend Latinos is that they can be really really ruthless when it comes to roasting each other. So of course it would take a lot to offend us.
The worldbuilding, or lack thereof, of Elemental is somehow interesting to me. Are fences from a bygone age where element people needed fences? Are fences just made to keep earth elements out? Were trains built so fire and earth elements could travel as easily as air and water elementals, seeing as Wade can travel through pipes? How do they reproduce? Or are they all made, like how in Robots every robot is bought from a company, then built by their parents? How do different elements reproduce? Can they even?
Fire people's segregation in Element City makes no sense, how can any other element shape up any metallic structure without using heat to melting them? If Fire people are treated like a labor in Metal industry, that located far way outside the city, that will make more sense why they won't be welcome or recognized in the city.
I pirated Elemental and it's painfully mid. There's some genuinely cute moments but the messaging is muddled by the shallow world building. and also it's the same damn kinds of messages we've been getting for the past 10 years. It's too little too late for Pixar, especially after lightyear permanently damaged their reputation. As for Disney, the company is a flip flopping dumpster fire atm.
@@Maspets Not everyone other than you is the same person. This person could have hated repeated messages for years. I don't see why you have to be so uptight about this.
@@Maspets This is literally like saying "so you decided to stop liking ice cream?" to someone who said they were sick of being fed ice cream three meals a day. You can get sick of something without hating it.
@@kingacrisius I said "y'all", meaning the collective whole. People been praising Pixar's unremarkable movies for years, me being the sole person to be saying shit like this. Now everyone sounds like me when it comes to this movie.
I love how she basically said “I don’t care if I mispronounce words in Spanish, stay mad.” Um, lady, that’s LITERALLY YOUR JOB! She is getting paid to say these things, but it sounds like she really doesn’t care. That’s not even mentioning the blatant racism and appropriation from her, but that’s a different issue.
@@senor-achopijo3841 "We pretend to care about diversity and other cultures to the degree we think it's financially beneficial to do so" there fixed it for you. I'd call it pandering, but they're not even good at that anymore.
Off topic (just a little) but as a Puerto Rican I’m very happy to see more Puerto Rican’s like Miles enter the spotlight since Puerto Rican people are not shown a lot in media. Btw like ur vids
Ngl as a Latino that also doesn’t get a lot of rep (Salvadoran) I’m glad that there’s more characters that are Latino, but from another country that is other than Mexico, like Miles. Makes me hopeful to see other countries get rep too.
Miles is not Hispanic he's mixed and is disconnected from Puerto Rican culture and the Spanish language. Calling him Puerto Rican is a wide stretch, he is more like a black American.
And the worst part is that the staunch defenders of the Little Mermaid claim that the 500 millions dollar box office is a triumph against the *vile* haters.
@sasuke4727t was released over memorial day weekend I think, and there weren't any other family movies at the time other then mario, which most families might've seen by then. So it survived by basically being the only option on memorial day weekend.
Let's forget how corporations want that money back within the 2 weeks. Let's forget how they were banking on it being another 1B success because of the name. And let's also forget they were clearly arrogant enough to not remove it away from Spider-verse. The Defenders will take any Ws they can have, even if the writing is clearly on the wall. This sends a message, and a concerning standard, that the rest of the remakes can only hope they can avoid.
I know right.. That blind people don't realize that Little Mermaid movie budget plus marketing is $400 even if it reach or exceed $500 is still a flop at the box office... Earning only $100 for this movie with that much expenses is a failure for Disney
A personal story is a good /starting/ point. But you need to build the story into something that fits that medium. Also perhaps have a manager whos job it is to question the director to help balance bias.
How do you get something like Amphibia, Owl House, and Hamster and Gretel to something like Primos. Hopefully they fix the show and it comes out as something decent.
@animezilla4486 moon girl is really good but the rest of the series said above have been plagued by cancelation, horrible scheduling blocks so they get less views, or less money for their crew in general, and I hope Moon Girl doesn't suffer from that fate.
my problem with the remakes is the changing of "problematic" parts of the film. We should not remove these parts imo. It will allow future generations to see how we have changed as a society since then.
cool sentiment in any other context -yeah so the original cut with the problematic shit isn't destroyed, like holy shit, this should not need to be explained to you -stories are supposed to say something and the ones that say lobotomized shit should be raked over the hot coals this is the same asinine argument used to defend statues of racist assholes being left up. you see, there's a difference between a library carrying copies of mein kampf and that library hanging nazi propaganda on the walls
I actually feel really bad for elemental, because the animation teams really knocked it out of the park with that one. The main issue of that movie that i cant get past is the movie's underlying message is contradicted by its own universe. The racism aspect of the movie simply doesnt fit, because some elements are literally hazards to each other. I cant blame earth people for never wanting to go anywhere near fire people. The trailer itself shows Ember accidentally burn all the grass off of one of the Earth people, which is played off as kind of a gag, but i cant come away from that thinking the Earth people are being unfair, ignorant, and close minded.
Says a lot that the Oye Mispelling woman thinks that Disney need to be the ones to deliver a show to Latin-American kids, when Latin-American kids just want to watch Goku.
It actually looks like Marvel might be taking some time out of the spotlight to reevaluate their strategy, given they’re not going to appear at Comic-Con this year.
@ShadowHut. Never say never. It's better to sell an IP than to go bankrupt. Disney isn't indestructible, especially since they've been taking huge losses one after another for years now.
@@kingagrabowska9366 All the talk about the obligations to pay for Hulu while they are not very liquid could lead to some quick sales. Interesting times we live in.
@@kingagrabowska9366but that doesn't mean they're on the verge of bankruptcy raining like that they're still have a chance to bounce back on the top I don't think you're ever going to sell Star Wars or Marvel the best course of action is to take a break from those properties for a while until the heat dies down
The problem with Disney is that they got too use to hiring people from the Los Angeles area, so they do not vet their writers nor artists, to see if they were actually competent in those fields. The recent string of animated features, suggests that Disney got into a habit of hiring, what I like to call "Arthouse Hipsters", people who write edgy content about their personal baggage, such as family conflict, generational trauma, civil strife and identity struggle, the sorts of topics that do not always translates well to animation based around family entertainment. When people go to the cinema, they do so to escape their troubled lives, not experience other people's troubled lives told in animated form, I for one have experienced these things before, and do not want to be reminded of these moments, when I wish to be entertained. As for Primos, this states my case that the writers of the cartoon, are just not good enough to entertain children, the Instagram posts are a case in point, the voice actress was addressing adults, for a cartoon aimed at children, from an ethnic group that gets condescended and patronised by a larger ethnic group, she really ate crow on that one, Disney needs to improve their hiring standards. Remember, people want to be entertained, not lectured nor preached to when they go to see animated films, this is fine if you are making a live-action drama, where the audience knows what to expect, so I finish by saying, you can have a family cartoon, or you can have a bleak drama, you can't have both.
Attacking the spanish language was among the best ways to make it worse, yeah, it came from the spanish conquista, but latin americans take a lot of pride in their language, the slangs, the accent, the curses, it is so localized that you can easily tell who is from where just by greeting each other, and of course, we mock and annoy each other, that show had a chance, we love teaching our language and our slangs, but of course, their arrogange got the best of them
I’m actually mexican american and nonspanish speaking and even I can say Primos fumbled the bag. There’s a way to have the main protagonist not understand Spanish. But save it for the actual show in content. Not the intro where it gives a bad impression that the show itself doesn’t understand or respect Spanish. Bringing up the fact its a colonizer language doesnt excuse it.
@@Attmay The fuck does that have to do with anything? It doesn't matter what language people that did horrible things centuries ago spoke. People speak that language now and they haven't done anything wrong. Are you trying to be racist? Because you sound racist.
@@Attmay Does it really matter? A lot of languages (even English) come from colonization. It's just a sad fact of history that took place hundreds of years ago but don't have much bearings on the point of the original argument of not knowing Spanish.
@@AttmaySo? Its the language I was raised to speak by my parents, by my entire family, my entire life, should I stop speaking it just because of some shit that happened centuries ago? What about English? Do we just throw grammar and punctuation to the wind because "its a colonizer language"? I feel like people throw buzzwords around without thinking about the repercussions.
I’m Costa Rican American who has struggled speaking Spanish my whole life with my Dad. I think the idea behind this show was a good one that a lot of us can relate to. But that said, they could have explored this idea within the show itself instead of the introduction. By doing it in the introduction, they come across as very lazy and tone deaf. And this bitch going online and insulting the language as a whole leaves me wondering why anyone should even watch it.
I think the creator explained that growing up and not speaking fluent Spanish led to grammatical errors. So, the show was meant to represent kids whose family is of a cultural they feel separated from. The voice actor released their statement before checking in with anyone else from the crew behind the show. And when you’re working for Disney, you don’t make remarks without consulting someone higher up the corporate ladder.
I’d also say that it’s just a smart idea to not bring up unnecessary politics, especially when the question had nothing to do with, and egotistically insult your potential customers. Common sense is like deodorant to Hollywoke: those who need it the most don’t use it at all.
The staff working at the Primos show could at least gave a little explanation before releasing the teaser. On the other hand, if the VA who voices the main character is the one who made that infamous video it makes her look like the worst choice to voice a character who tries to recognize with her Latino/Mexican heritage, the fact that she practically insulted the Spanish language makes her look hypocritical to voice a character that is trying to improve her Spanish
Given this was after the backlash of the VA, this may be a cover up. Because if it's just Tater's and the creator's point of view with having broken spanish, then having the theme song be the promotion instead of a trailer is very bad marketing. Which seems to be Disney's mo lately. The show would still get criticism due to the other factors people have with the show, but a trailer would likely have an explanation
@@knightofarnor2552 Hehehe, made me laugh. I was holding the phone tight and didnt notice that i pressed some buttons. But yeah if you want a meaningful contribution: i can imagine that the voice actress migh not be the only one in the production team with this attitude. And that toxic outlook may have found its way into the series. In some way it remindes me of Velma.
I want Disney to fail if not solely to see if these new Gods can die. These corporate monsters that are more involved in telling us how to think and what to believe in rather then entertaining or making a good product.
Where does Disney find these people?? It’s actually pretty remarkable how they consistently seem to hire people so out of touch with reality and letting them tank their entire corporation. The incompetence of Disney execs is truly astonishing.
7:30 The true hilarity here is that she's most likely being abusive towards other people such as Mexicans etc. who feel that the language they speak is being mistreated. Rather than admitting that, she's doubling down by refusing to acknowledge that, regardless of just how this did end up being the case, *_Mexican_* Spanish was the mother tongue of her close ancestors.
Why do recent creations are so Meanspirited? Why do people on the internet and these creators think that everybody is againtst them, feeling like they need to fight others? Spreading universal messages of love will always be more powerfull, than politics.
The VA's opinion of Spanish is why we have such stupid and derogatory terms like Latnix as insults towards Spanish speakers in Latin America! As far as I'm concerned, Disney can keep pumping out such content, as it means they will lose a smeg ton of money each and every time, which hopefully will get to a point where they need to start thinking about the actual audience again, instead of the lip-service tweets they get on social media!
As some TH-camr said “Latinx what’s that? Latinos with super powers?” Yes, because of people like this who know jack about anything make the dumbest terms. If the person who created that word knew anything about spanish they would know that “Latinos” encompasses all, Spanish is a gendered language, Latina (s) describes women and Latino(s) describes men, but the “gender neutral” term is still Latinos, because o can encompasses all
Correction, "latinx" is not an insult or slur, it was made by a Brazilian a long time ago, I can't remember the exact date, so if you're curious I suggest googling it
@@Kyleruin for actual Latinos(as) is as bad as an insult regardless of what pochos intended
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I feel like Elementals had so so much potential and it was so darn wasted, there are so many things that are so confusing as well? The whole water village is made of glass and the only element that can create glass is Fire but you don't see any Fire people working in the main city, so how the heck is everything made of glass then? Also fire is said to be destructive, but we never see any real danger, we never see a fire person killing, for example, another element by accident. And the last thing, the fact that they realize that water and fire are actually able to touch without destructing, ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT NOBODY EVER IN THE HISTORY OF ELEMENTS HAS TOUCHED BEFORE? NOT EVEN BY MISTAKE? Come on.
Its actually similar how Middle Easterns are stereotyped as terrorists. Im sure some of fire people actually caused trouble which made other elements anxious and caused acting racist towards them etc. I wish it was something like Zootopia rather than a love story. It was probably the experiences of the director etc. It could have been better, although I still loved it.
When you are a no Sabo kid but instead of owning up to the fact you are not fluent in your parents native tongue you decide to just dismiss the language all together. Idk personally I think spanish brought people together...there were many different groups of indigenous people. Even before the conquistadors arrived to Mexico there was war between some of them. Also it wasn't just the Spaniards that got into mexico..almost everyone has gone trough mexico at some point. That is why you have mexicans that look black,white,native,asian..etc...personally I like that I can meet someone from honduras or guayemala..and even if the language varies we can hold a conversation together because we do speak Spanish. Also mexican Spanish and Spanish from Spain is different just how English from England is diff than that of the USA.
Yeah they seem to get mad at the Spanish Conquistadors for ‘conquering the natives,’ which seems to ignore that one of the first cultures the Spanish encountered there was the sacrifice obsessed Aztecs. It was the neighboring cultures that teamed up with the Spanish to take down the Aztec empire, and then the Spanish had to keep the new winners from torturing and killing the remaining Aztecs! Just saying, the Natives have their own history and conflicts that would turn anyone’s stomaches. Plus, the Spanish were pretty big on missionary work. Often the missions set up provided the best education, food, shelter, and general kindness for people. Not saying it was always peaceful, but the Spanish crown did listen to priests/missionaries over the conquistadors in some matters relating to native relations.
@@jendoe9436 Yeah, history is a complicated, messy affair. The mission system was a mixed bag. Some of the extreme discipline was harsh and cruel by todays' standards, but the Spanish themselves were also subject to it. In exchange education brought wealth and Spanish acted as a Lingua Franca for the region and still does today. We lost much information about the native cultures because Spanish priests destroyed them but at the same time we only retained what we know and have a lot of other firsthand information because Spanish priests recorded it or preserved it. Nothing is all one thing or the other.
I kinda have to admit I was bit interested in Elemental however with the way Disney has been for the last 10 years really [but especially the last 5 years] I try not support them anymore really. I saw Guardians of the Galaxy but that was really it. Now I just rent the movies for free from my public library. Disney seems to be concerned with making subpar movies with bland to bad stories all for the sake of....something, agenda or whatnot. Plus supporting things that are just really messed up [Mulan 2020]. With Elemental even I admit it did look cute but it also looks really bland. It's just like Zootopia [which I didn't even care for] only just elements. There's not much clever thinking. Like why do the fire people use just a normal train. They even make jokes about it in the trailer saying why do they have fences if they don't work. And yeah that's a joke but it's not very funny. And it just shows how unthought of the world seems to be. Also from what I've heard it seems that Ember has a temper and needs to learn to control it. But Wade is too emotional but that's fine. I think a good balance would've been having both of them learn to control their emotions. EDIT: I finished the video. Great video and yeah I agree with your takes. I find it sad that Disney use to be the standard of animation now can't do anything original. And even their original stuff is missing the mark
Spoilers: She was only being told to control it because it was affecting her job at the shop. She was losing it and lighting everything up on fire. Wade is emotional, but it doesn't actually effect his job/life. There's even a point in the beginning that he's crying but he's still doing his job. They can use regular trains, because they can to an extent control their fire, and they also use chainmail to keep themselves from lighting anything up. Hopes that clears anything up.
@@pokemonrulzs101 yeah it does. Thank you. I'll wait till the film comes out to rent it for free but it still seems like a pretty bland way to do things. I was using the example of "why do fire people use trains" as a simplified picture of what I meant. I just feel like if they are the personifications of said elements you could do more creative things with them. It's not easy I admit but Pixar was able to do this I feel at one time. And from the way you mention it. it appears Ember's emotions get in the way and Wade's doesn't. But that's kinda of what I thought. I think it Wade should've had moments where his emotions would be a detriment and he would have to work on them. Cause realistically both are forms of not having your emotions in check and neither are good. So I think it be interesting to show them both having to learn something and through that they fall in love. That's more of what I meant.
@@Merisu_Sheep why would wade showing his emotions be bad? Him crying legit never caused any issues. He was clumsy but that just was his personality. There’s nothing wrong with people showing their emotions. Ember was angry because it was her subconsciously being angry at having to take over the shop. Her anger was an issue that was addressed rather early in the movie. The rest was her just trying to reject her desire to not run the shop. (Which she ultimately doesn’t do) Ember emotions are legit the whole issue of the movie. She’s fighting herself the entire time. She desires to live her own life, but feels she has to be running a shop due to her thinking her fathers dream is her running the shop. That if she doesn’t run it, she failing her father and all his hard work is going to waste. That she is a bad daughter if she doesn’t run it. The movie ends with the father denying this and saying that SHE was his dream.
@@pokemonrulzs101 this is just my personal thoughts from the reviews I scene. I just think it make a nice balance if you did show both having issues that need to be fixed. That's just my opinion.
Apparently, doing research of Caribbean fairytales is hard for Disney. Despite Encanto being successful. I still didn’t see Elementals yet and I’ll still check it out. (Don’t worry I mute the spoilers part) 3:07 Peter Sohn is also voice actor who played Ganke In Across The Spiderverse. I also felt bad his movie, the elementals flopped. 1:13 even Benh Zeitlin got The lightning right in the Wendy 2020 movie. Yeah there was a Wendy Movie before Disney remake of Peter Pan & Wendy. I can say Wendy 2020 movie is better. Oh my god Primos. I am all for original ips but I really dislike this cartoon. As the information that About Tater doesn’t speak Spanish. I question this because the information came out after the Instagram video. Why didn’t the main lead voice actress mention this? How she didn’t know about this. It would be better to say that instead of antagonizing people. Hate marketing is not the answer! Also it much worst since there characters from Primos that their names translates to non Disney friendly standards. As *Cookita* is translated to the “P word” before Cat. *ChaCha* is translated to HouseMaid and Nanny which is also slur word in Mexican culture. Like I understand that the creator didn’t grew up speaking Spanish but can she and the crew worked on the show even Try to give good name to Spanish children? Because they named kids the P word and Nanny. Also there’s two characters name Nacho and Nachito. Classy, Disney Classy. *Jeez, Victor and Valentino did better Mexican Representation than Primos.* Heck, They gave great stories of the Mexican Folklore and the Doll Island episode they done is based on a *Real Life Location in Mexico.* Man, sad Victor and Valentino got slept on.
I really don't know why these people who are so focused on other cultures, refuse to use their myths and legends to make stories, like for lord of the rings, If I where dead set on adding black dwarves, i wouldn't just "rewrite" the lore to have some black dwarf, I'd just make a new story in that universe that meshes into the original, like "In a land extremely far away, africa", where that region of the world is just african mythology instead of european, they have their own unique people, their own creatures and myths, would it work well? I have no clue since I haven't read the books, but it would be better since it would add onto the lore instead of just shitting on it. This is why I like Elder Scrolls' take on their world, there's plenty of cultures based off of real world cultures, to the north west you got french people (for some reason), the north is skyrim which is nordic, the desert has redguards which are both african and Mediterranean cultures, to the east is a whole ass continent where Japanese-esque people come from and thats why there are katanas in the world, and so on.
@@doctorgrubious7725 They could literally do that. Tolkien intended for Middle Earth to be a mythological origin story for England, so Middle Earth's version of Africa could exist as much as Middle Earth's version of Asia. The problem is that requires good world-building and respect for setting and the culture they're representing, things that are lost to these "woke" Americans who are too focused on fulfilling diversity checks in things like RoP. In many cases, like what happened with LOTR MTG where they blackwashed Aragorn, they can't even do diversity right because they prefer to cut corners by race swapping established characters rather than doing actual representation. Disney could've made an West African folklore inspired film that featured the Aziza, but they decided to instead blackwash Tinkerbell in the Peter Pan remake. They can claim that they're being representative but race swapping established characters is not representation, it's a copout born out of them being unable to get out of their comfort zone.
@@TheCrimsonElite666 there’s so many ways to get the “black princesses” that black girls apparently need, but let’s ignore the recent princess and the frog movie which is very loved by man people (they legit call that racist because she’s not black for a majority of the movie, she’s a frog), but as Eric July said, it’s like they only see white characters as valid and no other cultures are deserving of having their stories told, or even Any based on them unless it’s from a white point of view. I heard something a how the pirates of the Caribbean was dropped, which you could have literally thrown in a black mermaid princess and it wouldn’t piss *anyone* off 💀
@@TheCrimsonElite666 man now you're making me think of how cool it would be if we could genuinely lord of the rings-ify ancient non-european legends and make them a sort of expansion of middle earth. Imagine if you took the wendigos of native american myth and made them into something you'd see in a lord of the rings type setting. That would legitimately be badass
Getting the feeling that actors and Voice actors should stay off of social media. Because whenever they try and address the fans about the backlash of whatever show or movie there working on. It usually ends very badly. And tends to alienate the very people there market to.
While the advertising for Elemental definitely played a big role, I feel that the underperformance of this and the Little Mermaid is likely due to Disney releasing a lot of its movies on Disney Plus. Especially in regards to Pixar, many people have gotten used to Disney making there movies available for streaming after 30 days in theaters. Heck, Luca, Soul, and Turning Red never even got a chance at a theatrical release. This has lead to a lot of Pixar employees to feel that Disney isn’t respecting their efforts enough, espically when Raya and Cruella were given theatrical releases and available in Disney Plus for $20. This has lead to people not holding Pixar movies in less high regard than before. With how expensive theaters have gotten lately, parents may be hesitant to drop $50 on a movie they can watch at home in a month. Instead, they’ll see movies like Spiderverse that had much more hype behind it.
I think the only real problem with Elemental is that I know I can see it for free in a few months on Disney Plus so why would I go pay to see it in theaters. The movie looks fine, I'm sure I'll like it but not enough to pay theater prices to see something I can get for free just by waiting. The remakes on the other hand are whatever. Never cared for any of them. Couldn't pay me to go see them in a theater and I most likely won't watch them on Disney Plus either
Hi from Australia. We don’t even get half these shows here but your breakdowns are great. Also I’ve never thought of the issues of having a ‘coloniser language’ to confuse and complicate things there even further thanks for that but of education ! Subbed 😊
Again it wasn’t for diversity, Halle Bailey set the bar as they said and they got every person from every race to play the part, why is it hard to believe a black person has done better then everyone else and it’s automatically a sake for diversity?!
@@Rtp4k Because IT IS, believe it or not. One can search for any dull excuse, but reality is always going to be that disney is choosing actors after race and gender.
@@lightborn9071 sometimes not always really said that this mindset makes you assume the whole thing is 100% meanwhile we have ariel and nick fury originally whit e characters actually being casted for one purpose and they did that purpose not because of diversity also your point is very true
Disney has gotten increasingly worse over the past decade in every arena. And it feels like their bad decision making and ultra-corporate approach are finally starting to really hit them where it hurts. I'm not a Disney hater, but man, they have really disillusioned me over the past few years. Between their handling of the Star Wars sequels, Pixar's recent bomb (and long slew of lackluster projects), and now their slow-motion crash-and-burn releases with the MCU (Phase 5 is off to an abysmal start when you discount GotG 3), it's starting to become clear that the company is crumbling under its own weight. I've defended Disney for a while, but I've officially lost my patience. It didn't used to be this way. I remember a while ago when a new Disney release was a big deal that people got excited over, but now it seems like everything they put out under all their branches is just meh. They need to remember how to balance corporate business with quality craftsmanship again, or else they need to dump some of the bigger IPs that are just taking up too much space. I don't want Disney to go under, but man, they are pissing me off.
The pilot and first episode of the primos thing was leaked, and kind of shows that the creator may be lying, because non of the "i cant speak Spanish very well" things is mention at all
To be honest Disney had all these "L"s coming. They moved away from entertaining people to trying to shove propaganda down people's throats and started stepping into the realm of politics. An area they shouldn't. Not to mention that they have done nothing to stop the distasteful comments many of their very public people involved in their movies/shows had made about audiences members who don't like what they were doing. In fact they seemed to encourage the the bad faith twitter remarks.
@@animezilla4486 Hell if I know. The failings with the Little Mermaid(Remake) are fairly well understood because Disney straight up said what they were doing and they bashed anyone who didn't like the way the story was going, the way they were changing the meaning of the songs or the designs of Sebastian and Flounder, So the hate there I get. I'll be honest I heard very little about Elemental and Wish doesn't seem too bad at first glance.
I don’t think it’s fair to say politics is the reason. Disney has always simultaneously played both ways since it’s conception though more so now than before. They make respective ethnically diverse shows and movies like Encanto, Princess and the frog, Aladdin, Mulan, and Elena of Avalor but the same time make shows like Primos, song of the south, live action Mulan, live action lady and the tramp, and every racially insensitive short in the 1940s and that’s not going into its handling of LGBT, being both inclusive and exclusive. The problem is that Disney is becoming less and less creative, focusing more on nostalgia than making new things it doesn’t help that they have become a monopoly. This means there is very little competition to force them to stay fresh.
What? There was a planned sequel for Elemental? But I loved Elemental. It restored my hope for Disney love stories. I do look up to how well you explain certain films like Peter Pan and Wendy, Live Action Little Mermaid, and a few more, haven't been living up to expectations. But Elemental was amazing to me. I won't convince you that this film is perfect, but I don't want to loose the fact that my hope has been uplifted.
07:39 I honestly believe that the team behind PRIMOS were [eventually] going to provide that justification for the Spanish errors until Myrna Velasco’s response added fuel to the fire 😅
I agree. If the studio were just fast enough to cut her off and gave that explanation. People would have shut up. In fact, if the TRAILER explained that she wasn't good in Spanish and will be learning it through out the show. NO ONE would have complained AT ALL. But since the actress fucked up, and probably just upset SO MANY parents, with that video. And hasn't apologized yet. The show might greatly suffer... thanks to HER. They can fix this. But this would mean delaying the release of the show, as the new VA redoes the lines. Sorry for Original VA, but she did this to herself.
So it’s a show for those who are trying to find their place in a community they feel left out of, but that community also “sucks” and should be dismissed for its pRoBlEMatiC qualities? Sounds about right for mainstream media influenced by internet culture.
The only thing I’m looking forward for fro, Disney is the Percy Jackson series , as I’ve been looking to it for a long time since it’s announcement but we have wait till 2024 for its release which is a long wait but means it should hopefully turn out good
Pixar lately’s been obsessed with preachy movies. I just want to be entertained with a well crafted relatable story; not be preached to with a movie that puts the message about the director’s background over crafted storytelling.
Honestly I wanted to see Elemental despite me already getting the generic story, but I’ve seen people making videos on it and now I’m iffy. I still might watch it on my own time though, I really liked your review on it
The movie is nice, it's a very cute rom-com I enjoyed despite the fact I'm not into romances; The animation is great and the characters are fun.. It's not a copy of Zootopia (unlike people who saw the trailer but didn't watch the movie claim), it just had, in fact, bad Teaser Trailers which completely skipped the main plot and focused too much on side plots.. for some reason idk I watched It the other day, it's a cute slice-of-life movie, you can watch it to relax or to have some wholesome moments, nothing too heavy💕
@@giulf3der957 ah okay, that explains it a little better. I heard the marketing for the film was pretty bad, haven't seen many people dissing the actual story. But yeah ty, I'll definitely check it out!
I hate how Disney has now had three opportunities for good Latin American representation and they’ve all had downfalls. Marco from “Star Vs The Forces Of Evil” = The shipping became way too prominent in the show and derailed everything else. And after the weak final season and polarizing finale, a lot of people don’t remember him fondly. Luz from “The Owl House” = Had their character journey rushed because Disney will only use representation and diversity as a marketing tactic. But they’ll do their best to omit it for international releases when possible (Alex Hirsch mentioned similar issues with LGBTQ+ representation in “Gravity Falls”). Tater from “Oye Primos” = This mess with the pushback from audiences and the obviously unvetted response from the lead voice actor. Thank goodness there are well received movies like “Coco” and “Encanto” to make up for some of the less successful tv series that either missed their mark or were hindered by the higher ups.
Look I'll admit, the Owl House was a master piece of writing and did things well. It showed an actual show that had good LGBTQ representation because the show didn't force it in your face like every other show did just to do it. They had natural characters, Luz and Amity, were natural, they had a deep loving relationship that wasn't rushed or forced. It happened naturally and lovingly and I liked the fact they didn't focus to to much on labels and trying to make it a personality trait for both of their characters. They were just that, characters that were in love with each other and had a natural flow to the two of them. Then there's Star and Marco, who I really enjoyed as friends with both of them being with Kelly and Tom or just having no love interests at all. But I do agree with you that it hasn't been looking for well for the Latin American community and it's sad.
As someone who was obsessed with Star vs back in the day, yeah the derailment of the show and lost rep of Marco really did strike me harshly. Man I really did like his character early on, had a ton of potential, probably even another small story of not being completely in touch with his roots, but still showing plenty strength in who he is. Ugh, I hated what they did with him at the end. Complete 180 in persona, smh. Didn't really click with The Owl House but I'm still dissappointed to hear it was targeted by the damn mouse. Honestly was rooting for it from the sidelines man.
@@MJAYZ007 1. Luz and Amity grew and loved each other more naturally than most Hollywood straight couples, most of the time even they feel extremely forced (2 examples off the top of my head because I don’t really watch big budget media: Marco and Star in the later part of the show, and Blade Runner from the 90s because it stuck with me how forced, awkward and unnatural it felt) 2. Back in the day I really enjoyed Marco and Star’s relationship and I shipped them hard and they felt like a good couple to me, It really fell off when they added the ex’s and multiple relationships drama, the only one that I felt could work was Marco x Kelly, Star x Tom never really made sense and Marco x Jackie was so disappointing. Most of the couples were awful and then they forced Marco and Star to be together for no reason. It was just really bad
Growing up, I heard a lot of Spanish but it was not ‘proper’ Spanish. It was a mix of Spanish with parts altered based on where the person grew up because every area has it’s own dialect and slang. Hence why the Spanish speaking Mexicans in my class were always frustrated at our teacher, who taught proper Spanish since that’s the base for the language. She spent like 10-12 years in Venezuela, so she also knew why they were mad at their grades but the class was ‘Spanish’ not ‘Texas Spanish.’ Would have been much smarter for the VA to not say anything at all and wait for the proper PR team. If she HAD to say something, just something simple like “sorry if there’s confusion about the released grammar. It will make since once more show info is released.” Not helping the case is the insistence of woke busybodies trying to make the gendered languages more “inclusive” by adding the LatinX garbage. You can’t get Latin America to agree on everything, but they will come together if you mess with their language like that. Sort of like how Mexicans will come together if you try to erase Speedy Gonzales for ‘cultural insensitivity.’ Hint: do not try to erase Speedy Gonzales unless you want to get an earful. In short, don’t try to mess us languages like that. If I wanna watch an American butcher the Spanish language, I’ll watch Peggy Hill.
That reminds me of my mandatory Spanish class, where we were taught Spanish from Spain (!!!) instead of Mexican Spanish, which is what me and most of the people in the class spoke (!!!!!) so that class was a waste of time
Being Born as 90's Kids is like personal badge of honor for me , Of course i'm pampered with Gold , Silver , Bronze and Rennaissance era Disney Classics Ironically Disney in Modern Era looks no longer an entertaiment company but as a corporate with holier than thou attitude that too obssesed with political corectness
What would the woke Disney think if you show them how much success Spider-verse was despite of its diversity? They would just ignore and keep painting themselves as victims of racism and forever crying from being butt hurt regardless
Diversity itself doesn't make things bad, the handling of it does. I'd rather have a diverse STORY than a diverse concept for a story. The story should always come first, and the Spideeverse team was very good about researching different cultures and not making it out to be "oh wow! How cool would it be to have an INDIAN SPIDERMAN???!!" instead of just making Pav a normal character who happens to be Indian, which they thankfully did.
I love the design of your avatar. If Disney ever rebooted Kim Possible (properly with animation), I would love to see them use your art style and direction.
“The other elements are discriminatory, not wanting to rent to fire people.” *firepeople literally burning everything down. Completely destroys the analogy. They are literally as dangerous as others fear.
You are right… about everything. But especially that Disney is in fact doing this to themselves… It’s like a prodigal child who would grow up to be a narcotics addict who just won’t listen to the helpful concerns of everyone who once loved it and seemingly is continuing it’s self destructive habits partly out of spite towards it’s worried family and friends… then makes a public fool of itself.
Most people have caught on to Disney’s pandering and virtue signaling, and that diversity for them is nothing more than a shield they raise when they receive backlash for putting in the most minimal effort possible.
Who had it worse? Brazil, whose 200 years of independence turned into a festival where the former president said his PP doesn't go down when he's in bed? Or... Disney whose 100th year is having flop after flop?
If two people of different race shake hands irl, nothing happens. If a water person and a fire person shake hands, they both get hurt. Shitty allegory.
I'm guessing that Disney already has a bunch more live-action remakes in development (some of which they probably haven't even announced publicly yet), but Iger and the other suits aren't bold enough to kill those projects and accept any money already spent on them as being essentially lost at the Blackjack table even through they probably realize the live-action remake craze has peaked.
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I just hate how Disney keep using "it's a personal story" as excuse for bad writing and bad stories
I think it’s important to put SOME part of yourself into a story but when you look at a story and can FEEL that this is just a “personal story” for the creator than there is something about that just turns me off to it. Gravity Falls is based on Alex Herchish’s summers with his aunt but it never FEELS like it JUST that.
It's more like the excuse to ranting about their childhood's life or blatantly self-insert.
At the end of the day, if you write a bad story, you write a bad story. It can be the most personally touching story or have the deepest message possible but if you fail to write it good you fail to make it good
You know what was a personal story? Velma. We all know how THAT turned out
@@GabePlaysYT That's not a personal story. That's a nepotism
When the voice actor addressed the primo controversy she sounded like a smug know it all who didn’t actually do any research and instead used herself as evidence for claims.
When she said we’re making a show for kids it reminded of when the main writer for Teen Titans Go said the show is stupid but it’s for kids, so it doesn’t matter.
I've been loving seeing actual people from Latin America making videos detailing every reason why she is actually wrong and deeply uneducated on the history of South America and Spain as well as the origins of the Spanish language.
Well, puss in boots 2 was for children (and adults), that’s no excuse for bad writting.
@@user-is9nm4vw8jThere are shows for adults have bad writing too so I don’t think it matters whether it’s for kids or not. Some shows are just meant to be stupid entertainment and nothing more. Although it doesn’t mean they can’t be criticized.
@@lukeskywalker9507 whether it’s an children show or an adult show, it’s no excuse for bad writting. That was my point. Even if the show meant to be stupid or mindless action like John Wick it should at least have a decent script that make the film or show works and not just being stupid for the sake of being stupid.
honestly i fell like the 'it's for kids' statement doesn't matter because a story is a story. if anything children shows should be better than adult shows because most children shows are to educate and when the educator is bad for any reason then the education is bad.
There was a recent episode of "The Ghost and Molly McGee" where the main character Molly, who is part Thai, is visited by other members of her family. They speak Thai fluently and are more in touch with their roots, leaving Molly to frantically try to learn the language and traditional Thai culture because she's worried she's not "Thai enough". She ends up understanding that there is no such thing as being "Thai enough" and it's more important for her to simply embrace herself. It feels like this is what Primos was TRYING to go for, but they handled it in the worst way possible.
The Ghost and Molly McGee is such a real show for episodes like that. And they actually have good writers to pull it off.
One of my favorite show of all time ever and that show know it wasn't trying to be woke.. expect abit about getting a period.
The best show on Disney Channel for a reason!
This comment also applies with another one of Disney’s shows amphibia. In the third season the main character Anne takes her adopted frog family to a Thai market and the frog family gets intrigued by Thai culture.
@@themadmaxrocketawesome1339 periods are woke now??
Watching Myrna Velasco say that "Spanish doesn't matter because it's a language from the Conquistadores" was so cringe and infuriating. There's so many things wrong with her response:
1) Her smug attitude.
2) The idea that Spanish grammar doesn't matter because it's a language from the "Conquistadores". Regardless of the history, it's still a rich language that represents and identifies thousands of people across the Americas.
3) The irony that she says so while speaking in English: another foreign language from European colonisers (SPOILER ALERT: the English were awful to the Native Americans too).
4) Blaming audiences for being "grammar-nazis", instead of acknowledging the creator's mistake of misspelling in a foreign language.
5) Saying that she's "Native American" just because she was born in the American continent. The majority of people in Latin America have a mixed ancestry of European and Indigenous Americans. Only a minority of people remain fully native, and to deny is is not only a lazy way of re-writing history, but actually erases the identity of the real Native Americans.
5) Not to mention, the reason why they're called "Latin Americans" it's because they speak Spanish, Portuguese or French...Romance languages that come from LATIN!
6) And Myrna most likely doesn't speak any Native American language either, yet she has the audacity to say she's Native but not Latin. That's cultural appropriation.
7) Thinking that she's so smart, when all she's doing is making her ignorance more apparent.
I saw someone say something on a different video,
"By any other metric than race, this bitch is white"
It's weird how she can be so racist and so woke in the same time. I hate her smug smile with burning passion.
Also "American" has colonizer linguistic origin too
There are more speakers of Spanish outside of Spain than in Spain. Like a LOT more. Latin American varieties of Spanish are easily the most spoken forms of Spanish in the world.
"Coloniser" is a racist slur - it's used solely against Europeans, despite the fact every species/race either colonises or becomes extinct.
It's used as a substitute for Imperialist, but if you say that word, you have to acknowledge that all sorts of Empires happened, not just white ones, and they all have bloody paths of conquest.
I've seen Leftists arguing that we shouldn't have colonies on Mars because that would be what Colonists do. That's how poisoned the word has become. As if we could oppress the non-existent Martians by being there ...
Honestly I'm glad Disney is making all these mistakes, since it means their downfall nears ever closer. Seeing a greedy corporation fall is bliss
Pride goeth before the fall
No sympathy for the artists at all, damn
@@iangreer4585hm
@@louise4152of course not lol, they hate us, we hate them 😂
@@louise4152the artists aren't part of the corporate downfall, their scouted by Disney executives who handpick them for their studio line ups and then drop them to the curb once their done, Disney is a mega Corp not an actual art studio.
I doubt the voice actress will apologize. You can feel the holier-than-thou attitude.
Which did she play harder?
1. The race card?
2. Herself?
@@vermis8344I think the sociopath card. The soft spoken voice made her come off as a sociopath
@@Attmay What? I'm confused how you're saying that someone random being racist is somehow the reason why this VA and this show should be defended despite also being racist?
who?
@@vermis8344 You can't play the race card when
1. The people who are complaining are the same race as you to some extent
2. You made a very racist comment while defending something that's been accused as racist.
I don't even know what to comment about that Primos voice actress's way of handling that entire situation. I seriously could not even imagine a worse way to approach it, but she somehow managed to do so.
This! The whole 'uh, you used the wrong grammar' would have been a nothingburger if that nimrod hadn't started shouting "Colonisers! Colonisers!"
What a maroon.
All you have to point out is that she is speaking fluent English a language of a country that conquered more than Spain.
@@barrybend7189 The truer hilarity: "I'm a Mexican American, Native American." She is a citizen of the USA with Mexican ancestry. Trying to argue that Spanish is a colonizer language while fluently calling herself "American" twice in English is next-tier irony.
@@vermis8344 Maroon is a color lol, I think you meant to say "moron" :D
@@Attmay nope Ebonics was started by English speakers but not African Americans.
if primos gets cancelled we can all agree she caused it
I don't think it's going to be like that
I really hope Primos gets canceled
This is the Cowboy Bebop Netflix version all over again.
Nah Disney would just say it was canceled due to racist white men who bullied the va
@@Attmay Whatever. I hope it gets cancelled and then hire new creators that actually care about Latin American culture, so they make a new show that is actually worthwhile.
I feel like when it comes to movies about “very personal” stories they need to be presented in a manner that’s interesting for people who haven’t had these experiences too.
Probably doesn't help that while it is a stereotype that spanish families are big, it is a common reality, however a lot of spanish people don't really... "deal" with it, its a positive thing, it only looks weird to say... someone who is an outsider of the culture, an american in every way, and perhaps sees the stereotypes as being evil and detrimental despite the fact that its just a common hood of a culture not your own... such as perhaps... the creators of the show?
I loved Encanto and Turning Red, very different stories and I relate to neither- but they're still intriguing and engaged me. This seems different. I just don't really see the appeal.
I gave a choice to my kid (a girl) to rewatch zootopia or watch little mermaid or elemental in the theatre. She said they look like crap and she preferred watching zootopia at home or go for Spiderman/GoG3. Need I say more.
disney can say what they want. Even children (their target audience) know better. You have a very smart girl.
"we are making a show for kids that feel left out, so lets show them an incorrect way to speak spanish so they learn incorrectly and make them look like idiots" 😂
That’s not very PC, is it?
"We taught them wrong. As a joke" - The Mouse, 2023
I don't remember Dora the Explorer or Ni-hao Kai-lan being this stupid
Then they will grow up left out and make shows for the next generation out of spite.
That's a villain story.
@@JonatasAdoM I'd say thats greed within selfishness. Like, Disney no longer makes villain's like the icons we known this day,
Historically, Spanish is a colonizer language, but dismissing the fact that it is NOW a national language in many Latin American Countries is being tone deaf and entitled.
I am not expecting her to apologize. She thinks she's valid in her response.
Disney has become creatively bankrupt in my opinion.
If she finds it so offensive then why was she speaking Spanish in the first place. Also English is a colonizer language and she was making her criticism in that language! Lounging around she comes across as an entitled millennial.
@@jcdf2 The hypocrisy wasn't lost on me regarding the use of English.
In Central and South America, Spanish wasn't a thing until the Spaniards and Portuguese starting exploring and conquering those regions. So, both are if you look at it that way.
I bet she thinks that the Aztecs were a bunch of peaceful hippies that sang kumbaya too, instead of the warmongering savages that made every other local group ally themselves with the Spaniards to eradicate them.
And it’s so sad that I can find better writing and more original ideas in fanfiction. Even the crack stuff.
I mean even the fucking spaniards got colonized twice, first by the romans (tho it wasn't really a country just a bunch of tribes iirc), and then by the Moors (who are north african muslim) and modern spanish was basically vulgar latin with a bunch of loan words from arab. Calling spanish a colonizer language is kinda fucking stupid.
@@jcdf2as opposed to the privileged generation before?
so, essentially, we probably got duped out of our first Caribbean Disney film/animation for a dumb remake. brilliant
Someone could make a joke about POTC here lol
You can blame all the people who latched onto Sebastian having a Caribbean accent in the first adaptation BY MISTAKE!! to make the claim it was all taking place in the Caribbean.
Pirates of the ... I can't remember, what was that last word?
@@O1OO1O1 Lol, good point
They could have made the film version of “Once On This Island” which they brought the film right for, in 2020.
If the idea behind the opening being gramatically wrong was "Tater doesn't speak Spanish so shes saying things wrong," then wouldn't it be better to have Tater being the only one saying it wrong? She's not the only one singing in the opening, so why not have her cousins say "oigan primos"? Also, I feel like "she doesnt speak spanish" isnt an excuse to call one cousin a derogatory term for housemaids and another "little pussy."
Mfs really called a child cunny and thought it was okay ☠️
People are being extremely over dramatic. NO ONE uses “proper grammatically correct” phrases in a normal household.
That’s like if in a English speaking house people are saying “excuse me listen to what I have to say cousins!” When I’m reality no one says that and you’ll be getting a “yo cuz”.
People seriously need to find something better to do with their lives. Being on twitter all day is pathetic.
@@zedmiasma7304 nah, they would say "Hey cousins" which is proper grammatically correct and indicates the want to be listened, yo cuz doesn't says anything by itself.
In Spanish because of their proper grammatically correct rules you have to say "Oigan Primos" because primos is in plural and Oigan is the plural of Oye. Oye is for singular individuals to get their attention while Oigan is for a group of people, which the word Primos, the plural of primo indicates.
I have a better idea, why don't you gringo pieces of shit stop desecrating my language with your ignorance, that would be great.
@@zedmiasma7304
You're an American, so of course you see all of this as an overreaction. If you're not Mexican and don't know what being discriminated and mocked is like, then you should keep your mouth shut about things you don't understand.
@@zedmiasma7304I speak only proper English
Disney is more concerned with pushing a message than creating good films that EVERYONE wants to see and spend money on. Period.
And the thing is they have done movies with meaningful messages about discrimination, ostracizing and racism before such as the Little Mermaid, Ratatouille and Zootopia. But the difference is they have good writing and characters.
You can absolutely make a story with these themes but it still has to be a good movie within exploring these themes.
Nah they aren't pushing any messages, they 're too lazy for even that
You said it, bro/gurl/friend ^u^ I totally agree, and while i think it's good to teach messages, they go overboard! This is why I'm a non-Disney fan
Yeppp, specially the raya and the last dragon. The message of that movie is so negative and idk why they pushed that
They are so bad at it is what the biggest problem is for me... between this latest backlash and the backlash from The Proud Family reboot, I won't be watching or showing my kid any of these Disney shows. PBS kids handles topics like race and civil rights history in a much more tasteful way. Like Xavier and The Secret Museum, a show made for pre schoolers, explaining to kids that black and white people once did not have equal opportunities to attend the same schools, ride in certain places on the bus, use the same water fountain, still portrayed in a way even a young child could understand and remember. Meanwhile Disney has a cast of black girls dance while their singular white girl friend stands in the corner wearing a sign around her neck saying "still not atoned." Like tf was that? The hell was that supposed to teach my kid? White = bad basically? No explanation, no context, no actual history. Just adult politics inserted into a kids cartoon. This isn't the way to educate kids on our countries history, this is just confusing and anger inducing and it will breed more racism and resentment in future generations. Not my kid. I'm not putting no more hate into this world.
The way the voice actor acts, shows that she thinks to be right on everything. Just by the tone of her voice
@@Attmay....what?
@@Attmay Literally no one has any idea what you're trying to say in any of your comments, can you please just state what you mean instead of being so obtuse
Yes...I got from her tone and words, "I identify as an _estupido_. I want those with below average intelligence and drive to see themselves in me. Eh hehe."
@@sheerbeauty God that is so...
Reminds me of Thelma. Seems to be a lot of these entitled, grotesque toxic females producing and acting in a lot of garbage recently
I haven’t seen Elemental, mainly because I got stuck on something the trailer hinted at.
Namely someone made of Fire and someone made of Water ignoring warnings and wanting to date, when its CLEAR that they could KILL eachother!
The message ”Different people can date” and similar doesn’t work for me when it makes SENSE that they aren’t allowed to date.
Spoiler warning:
In the end they suddenly can touch without problems despite it being a complete ass pull that makes no sense.
I had no idea what it was about. So, the old X-Men 'don't be frightened of people who can pull a building down on you or melt your brain' message?
@vermis8344 Kinda. except for the most part id say Xmen work better. Most of them you can still touch without worrying about potential death
@@TrixyTrixter
Spoiler:
Which is really weird considering she evaporates him when they get stuck in a tight room underground. How Wade even comes back doesn't make sense. Would've been neat if he came back when it rained and Ember crying thinking of him helps him find her or something.
Also, from a psychological standpoint, it’s not a good message. In terms of birds of a feather flock together vs, opposites attract? Similar personalities couples have been studied, and proven that they are far more likely to be healthier than couples with less in common. Your also more likely to stay in the relationship longer with someone who has more in common with you, in terms of likes and dislikes along with similar personalities traits. Introverted people tend to be happier when with an introverted partner vs, an extroverted partner, and vise versa. overall emotional satisfaction was higher in couples with similar hobbies and interests than couples with less or, no similar interests/hobbies.
… why do people on social media trying to talk about politics, religion, nationality act like smug people who think they’re better than anyone who thinks differently than them.
Anonymity. You can say stupid stuff on the internet because of anonymity
Narcissism, egotism, entitlement, never been outside their cozy bubble, no real world experience, lack of accountability, lack of empathy, lack of rationality, only listen to their echo chamber, think their piece of paper that says ‘degree’ is worth more than what it is, brainwashed by shallow and insecure people, the list goes on.
@@michaelknox3715 Doesn't work when you show your face though
@@Saltedroastedcaramel It still does. Ask The Quartering.
@@michaelknox3715I mean It's not anonymity because she shows her face and has her name tied to her account
Anonymity at least keeps people honest and I rather have that then this constant social media attention and brownie point seeking we've been seeing latley that just feeds narcissistic people's egos
All this Primos drama has gotten me thinking about my parents. My father was an east LA Mexican and my mother was a Puerto Rican farm girl. They never spoke to us in Spanish, only in English. They did occasionally speak to each other in Spanish and some neighbors too, but when I'd ask them to translate songs, they couldn't. I'd always have to look it up online. One time, on a fan forum, I found Spanish speaking members talking about me; my parents couldn't translate it, so I had to go to google to figure out it was the typical mean girl stuff. Only now have I been wondering if my parents actually didn't speak very good Spanish. It didn't occur to me back then because I was a kid and I figured they knew what they were doing. I can't ask them now, they're both dead.
Not being rude with this question, but were they literate? It's not impossible that the issue is that they couldn't read/read well and didn't want to let on. We often take for granted, especially online that reading is actually a kind of difficult skill and not everyone can or can quickly/easily.
Alternately they weren't good at/confident in the translation process. So they understand it in Spanish and could maybe understand it in English but switching between the two was difficult.
@@chucklebouf5379 It's okay, I'm not offended! I'm sorry if my first post implied that I loved my parents. They were living nightmares!!! The most Spanish I actually did see them read was simple things like warning signs, but nothing more than that. I know for a fact they could DEFINITELY read in English OMFG!!!
They forced us to read the bible everyday and my dad for years was running around town as an illegal evangelist. One of my high school friends had to point that out to me. He told me to stop him, but stopping a Narcissist is like trying to find the corner of a sphere.
Not that my mother was even better. Her brand of Narcissism came with an even bigger ego; she prided herself on being the only white-passing girl in her family, and the smartest because she attempted college. After she died, I talked to my aunts and they thought she was the smartest too, but when I told them about all the insane things she did throughout our childhood, they couldn't believe it. Recently, I've also been wondering if she might have been a little autistic, but again, I'll never know.
Yeah, I think you're right about them not being all that confident in translating Spanish. Now It makes me super angry!!! They spent our lives not immersing us in our culture, raising us in a neighborhood mostly full of people who didn't speak Spanish either (it was a South East Asian community) , and then turned around and told other Spanish speakers that it was our own fault we didn't learn it growing up.
@@amymonemontoya I don't wanna creep in like that, but thank for being so open about such a personal topic. You're tough, really.
Speaking from personal experience, this is most likely because native Spanish speakers don’t speak what’s generally “taught”.
My mom is Puerto Rican, my dad is Dominican, my step dad is from Honduras, and I grew up speaking a mix of rican/Dominican Spanish. And yes, it’s all Spanish but no it is not the same. Different dialects. I also had online friends from South America so I grew up speaking/reading 2 different kinds of Portuguese dialects.
What people teach you in English schools and what’s translated through google is NOT ACCURATE. Sure, you’ll be able to translate it and know what the sentence is saying but once you bring it to a actual native Spanish person the sentence will make zero sense to them. You can try this out yourself using google translate. Flip the sentences around and you’ll notice they’re not translated exactly the same even though it’s supposed to mean the same thing.
Dialects matter. I think what was happening with your parents is that you were showing them sentences that just didn’t make sense. Like for example Honduras Spanish is very close to Mexican dialect, anytime I speak to my step dad we have a hard time understanding each other. Many words have the same meaning but in general lots don’t and it makes communication difficult. It’s kind of like how some Spanish people dialects can understand a bit of Italian even though it’s considered it’s own language, it’s really just a different dialect of Spanish.
I speak to my dad in my normal Dominican dialect that I grew up with and we understand each other just fine but sometimes when I talk to someone that’s Mexican it’s hard to fully communicate beyond a basic conversation. I think your parents were just confused.
@@zedmiasma7304 Thank you. THIS ANSWERS EVERYTHING!! My mind just exploded!! I hope you don't mind, but I'm gunna print this wall of text out for my journal. Bless your heart!
Disney: Grabs matches, gasoline and lights their entire empire on fire while watching it burn.
Also Disney: Who would do such a horrible thing?
I do not feel sorry for the multi billion dollar corporation at all, they deserve all the backlash they get. They made this bed, now they have to lie in it and no amount of virtue signaling, pandering, calling critics and fans toxic or bigots is going to save them. As a Caribbean born person myself, from Trinidad, TLM remake is an insult to everything I grew up knowing and I'd rather Disney put all their efforts into making a Caribbean princess instead of whatever this sloppy seconds of the original TLM was.
I agree, although making the little mermaid black didn't bother me (I'm white) and i think Halle is so pretty. I also don't care for the old movie that much, but I agree that it's better to make new princesses instead of race bend old ones.
@@jocelynecupcake I wouldn't have cared for it, had the media not went on an accusatory tirade against fans for disagreeing with the change and pointing out the flaws with it. Not to say there aren't genuine racist criticisms, but the majority of fans would not have had a problem with it prior, but the media likes to exacerbate, so yeah.
You actually see Tater misspell a spanish word in the very first episode. So Tater being not good at spanish is a part of her character just like the creator said. Why didnt the voice actress just say that? She's speaking these lines.
@@Attmay Who even is that? Also what does that have to do with this?
I'm not to sure if the VA is the one voicing Tater. But if she is, all the things she said about the Spanish language makes her the least appropriate person to voice a character who wants to improve her Spanish skills
@@kingacrisiushow do you not know peggy hill 💀 she’s from king of the hill 😭
@@nookiepookiedookieWHATno one cares. And she’s irrelevant from the conversation in the replies
@@AttmayBut considering she was the VA of the main character, the director and staff should have described who Tater so she can give the right delivery.
I hear from other VAs who have channels here, like Alejandro Saab aka CyYu, who say that they although they do get to add something into the characters themselves. The foundation is always the main characteristics given by the writers and directors.
So there's NO WAY she doesn't know this major detail about her own character.
Man...I don't understand why the studio that managed to do worldbuilding for Zootopia was as lazy as they were with Elemental...
Zootopia/Zootropolis was Disney. Elemental was Pixar
because recycled zootopia with none of the skill. Its the dollar store of past achievement.
@@gamedude412 Because it's easier to do it with animals and it's shit we've seen a hundreds times before. Have no idea why people think it's so much better.
one was in their prime or when their were sane, the other was when their went political with no care in the world
The four elements, while a common concept, are such a cool thing too. Sure, you can't just do Avatar: The Last Airbender again, but they could've done something far more whimsical than what we got.
"Instead they said that spanish sucks" lmao that delivery killed me
it does suck.
@@hobomike6935shut up
It’s hard to know when to use el or la on a sentence
@@dreamsdeep1076Not really. "El" is for masculine "la" is for feminine.
This is exactly what I said in another comment section. Disney has made some terrible decisions lately and it’s coming back to haunt them.
Disney: Well, well if it isn’t the consequences of my own actions!
It's not because of wokeness, it's because of bad writing. I don't understand why some people blame everything on wokeness.
This is what happens when you have narcissists and activists imitating as writers, actors and directors that claim to be “self aware” but they aren’t self aware enough to realize that they are the ones who are actively causing their projects to fail because they continue to attack the fans or their potential audience. It’s just more of the same. It never ends well and they never learn.
Say, is it just me, or are many of the stories that Disney and Pixar make these days about the emotional struggle of the creators? Maybe that is, why they do not connect to a lot of people, because the themes are very specific. Older Pixar and Disney films had themes that everyone could relate to, such as: “moving on in your life” (Up), “being not appreciated for your talents” (Ratatouille), or “letting your child go” (Finding Nemo).
I don’t think so. Those movies were also based on the emotional struggles of the creators.
@@pisces2569 Based on or just full on adapations like we see these days?
I definitely think the narcism self-insert need is hurting all of these stories.
@@hassathunter2464 agree
@@pisces2569are you sure about that? Because i can't see the struggle someone can project on monsters inc or toy story 2
Also, another thing is that, because they're personal stories, I feel like this is less a story being told and more like a way of showing their mommy and daddy issues (this is targeted at Turning Red, I don't know what to say for Elemental). Because in Turning Red, I feel like Ming's attitude and how Mei doesn't really go through (much of) a character arc, it's just the director trying to call out her parents and family dynamic. Also I do not want to hear anyone saying it's simply "not for me". I'm a Asian-Canadian girl who's a teenager and this didn't film didn't connect with me.
I don't understand it. Does Disney enjoy these losses? Do they enjoy the backlash they get when their actors open their mouth and say the most idiotic things? Because it keeps happening and they never seem to learn. It's a shame because I'm a long-time fan of the company. They have made some of my favourite stories and in many ways I admire Walt for his love of storytelling and entertaining. But in recent years, I just want them to crash. They've been on top for so long that they've forgotten what made them special, instead trying to get wrapped up in the politics of today.
They don’t care as long as they own most of the world’s (or at least America’s) entertainment. I want them to crash albeit for different reasons. They have become a monopoly and need to be split up
It's painfully obvious they notice these losses but think they are just a sacrifice for the greater good, they are completely braindead and only care about pumping out activist propaganda, I understand wanting to convey a message through art to raise awareness about an issue but oh boy are they fucking terrible at it
I want them to half-crash. I don't want to see Disney die, but I do want them to break a kneecap so they're forced to ditch one or two of their major IPs like Fox, Lucasfilm or Marvel. Give it back to their original owners so that they're forced to focus on making good animation again (and hopefully Marvel and Lucasfilm can reboot without Disney's oversight). As for the political stuff, I don't like them wedging their way into the culture war, but at the same time it is genuinely hilarious watching real-life demons like MoRon DeSantis get his ass legally whooped by the mouse. The main thing I don't like about Disney's politics is that their brand of corporate pseudo-progressivism is shallow and phoney and pandering.
I still consider this stupid theory, in my head, that someone who hates them snuck in, got into a powerful position, and just manipulates everyone in Disney to self destruct.
This down time is nothing new to Disney. Why else would the renaissance exist if not for their dark age prior.
But this version is more ... extreme. The temper tantrums definitely don't help.
Idk what you want them to do about their actors saying idiotic things. They can’t really control what people say. What do you expect any company to do about that?
Disney got a bit too greedy for their own good back in the 2010's, when they were trying to manage as many different franchises as possible to make as much money as possible.
Instead of focusing on their own animated projects, they start spreading themselves thin across their theatrical animated films, their live-action remakes, their MCU movies, their Star Wars movies, and their Pixar films. As a result, the quality control across all of these projects has been slipping more and more with each passing year, and people are just getting tired of Disney in general (especially after the choices they've made with their live-action films and their Star Wars movies).
I remember people were worried about what the potential long-term consequences would be of Disney becoming a monopoly in the entertainment industry, but I didn't think the consequences would start to catch up to them this quickly.
It was better when all Disney had in terms of pop media was Disney, and later Touchstone. Everyone else were their competition, with Don Bluth being a big arch enemy.
True since 2013 Disney has been going driving down a cliff downhill when Frozen was released.
This is so sad. I really want to cry right now. I was born in 1990. I saw Disney as a magical world with its colorful imagination and fantastic musicals. If you had a VHS collection, the commercials would tell you everything. The movies from the Renaissance era feel like epic fairy tales. Pixar began its glory with Toy Story. And it gave us so many great memories when we were at Disneyland/Walt Disney World. But now, whoever runs the company is destroying it like they hate Walt Disney as a person and his legacy. They hired narcissistic supremacists who are making (mockingly) personal histories as an excuse for their "personal" hatred of their childhood and for being loathed by everyone. As a result, everything is bkeak and hollow. The movies are now generic and shallow, especially the nightmarish live-action remakes. Pixar is starting to lose their touch after the release of Onward, Turning Red, Lightyear, and of course Elementals. Not to mention its inferior sequels after Toy Story 3. And always shoving us with the products they have acquired like Marvel, Lucasfilms and Fox, which showed that they don't know what to do with them. Oh, and their obsession with diversity is nothing more than hypocrisy.
The current CEO of Disney is pretty good with how he views and handles things. However, many executives make bad decisions and don't consider what people ACTUALLY want as opposed to what they think will give them more profit. To be honest, I don't understand why they can't see how badly they're doing, and that they need to listen to their audience. The Disney Company has strayed from animation, its original source of magic. Perhaps if they honored their legacy by treating their artists the way they deserve and approve original content, things will be better.
Latinos are usually some of the most chill people on this side of things, along with the Japanese. Ideas of cultural appropriation and harmful stereotypes are fairly American concepts and some people in other parts of the world don't really share in those ideas, even when they are generally called the victims of this. Normally, when you see people on Twitter being angry over offensive depictions of hispanics, it is not those people themselves doing it. It is white people speaking on their behalf.
The fact that in this case, with Primos, it is the ACTUAL latino people getting offended about it and calling it out for being cultural appropriation and using offensive stereotypes, you know that Disney seriously messed up. It takes a lot to offend the latinos.
Yeah, like how gringos got mad at Speedy Gonzalez, even though as a Latino I thought he was very cute. :)
@@sythepie it was silly, like speedy wasn't even a malicious stereotype because he's shown as the good guy, a cute little mouse that the audience loves
Part of the reason that it's hard to offend Latinos is that they can be really really ruthless when it comes to roasting each other. So of course it would take a lot to offend us.
The worldbuilding, or lack thereof, of Elemental is somehow interesting to me.
Are fences from a bygone age where element people needed fences? Are fences just made to keep earth elements out?
Were trains built so fire and earth elements could travel as easily as air and water elementals, seeing as Wade can travel through pipes?
How do they reproduce? Or are they all made, like how in Robots every robot is bought from a company, then built by their parents?
How do different elements reproduce? Can they even?
This is cars worldbuilding all over again lol.
Mitosis maybe?
fire city
They killed all humans and took their cities
Or they are weird, mutated humans that were transformed into elements after some weird ass experiment
Fire people's segregation in Element City makes no sense, how can any other element shape up any metallic structure without using heat to melting them? If Fire people are treated like a labor in Metal industry, that located far way outside the city, that will make more sense why they won't be welcome or recognized in the city.
Also, "Element City"? Is that like naming your town "People Town"? Disclaimer: Peoplestown is a thing. It's in Atlanta.
@@Guy21072536 You kind of came up with the solution. They outsource it just as we do China.
It makes sense. You can be useful and still discriminated against. Racism isn’t built on logic
@@Guy21072536 All I can imagine is a cop entering a neighborhood and saying "So this is that niggaville I've heard so much about?"
@Guy21072536 zootopia is a pretty silly name too, but at least it's kind of a clever portmanteau and isn't so bluntly on the nose.
I pirated Elemental and it's painfully mid. There's some genuinely cute moments but the messaging is muddled by the shallow world building. and also it's the same damn kinds of messages we've been getting for the past 10 years. It's too little too late for Pixar, especially after lightyear permanently damaged their reputation. As for Disney, the company is a flip flopping dumpster fire atm.
So y'all finally decided to stop liking the "same messages." You'll probably start liking it again at some point.
@@Maspets Eh, not really. It's just a ham fisted part of most media the past decade.
@@Maspets Not everyone other than you is the same person. This person could have hated repeated messages for years. I don't see why you have to be so uptight about this.
@@Maspets This is literally like saying "so you decided to stop liking ice cream?" to someone who said they were sick of being fed ice cream three meals a day. You can get sick of something without hating it.
@@kingacrisius I said "y'all", meaning the collective whole. People been praising Pixar's unremarkable movies for years, me being the sole person to be saying shit like this. Now everyone sounds like me when it comes to this movie.
I love how she basically said “I don’t care if I mispronounce words in Spanish, stay mad.”
Um, lady, that’s LITERALLY YOUR JOB! She is getting paid to say these things, but it sounds like she really doesn’t care. That’s not even mentioning the blatant racism and appropriation from her, but that’s a different issue.
Disney: "We care about diversity and other cultures"
Also Disney:
@@senor-achopijo3841 "We pretend to care about diversity and other cultures to the degree we think it's financially beneficial to do so" there fixed it for you. I'd call it pandering, but they're not even good at that anymore.
@@troodon1096 Amen
@@troodon1096 PREACH
Off topic (just a little) but as a Puerto Rican I’m very happy to see more Puerto Rican’s like Miles enter the spotlight since Puerto Rican people are not shown a lot in media. Btw like ur vids
Ngl as a Latino that also doesn’t get a lot of rep (Salvadoran) I’m glad that there’s more characters that are Latino, but from another country that is other than Mexico, like Miles. Makes me hopeful to see other countries get rep too.
Miles is not Hispanic he's mixed and is disconnected from Puerto Rican culture and the Spanish language. Calling him Puerto Rican is a wide stretch, he is more like a black American.
And the worst part is that the staunch defenders of the Little Mermaid claim that the 500 millions dollar box office is a triumph against the *vile* haters.
@sasuke4727t was released over memorial day weekend I think, and there weren't any other family movies at the time other then mario, which most families might've seen by then. So it survived by basically being the only option on memorial day weekend.
Let's forget how corporations want that money back within the 2 weeks. Let's forget how they were banking on it being another 1B success because of the name. And let's also forget they were clearly arrogant enough to not remove it away from Spider-verse.
The Defenders will take any Ws they can have, even if the writing is clearly on the wall. This sends a message, and a concerning standard, that the rest of the remakes can only hope they can avoid.
Let’s not forget the money from merchandise and marketing.
I know right.. That blind people don't realize that Little Mermaid movie budget plus marketing is $400 even if it reach or exceed $500 is still a flop at the box office... Earning only $100 for this movie with that much expenses is a failure for Disney
@@bdcmxsyjds8935 It's estimated they need 580M to break even. Personally I think that estimation is very generous.
No money is earned...
A personal story is a good /starting/ point. But you need to build the story into something that fits that medium. Also perhaps have a manager whos job it is to question the director to help balance bias.
How do you get something like Amphibia, Owl House, and Hamster and Gretel to something like Primos. Hopefully they fix the show and it comes out as something decent.
We already got some shows that are decent like Moon girl devil dinosaur, kiff, and the recent Haley's on it
Budget cuts. Severe budget cuts.
Well, they *did* cancel most, if not all of those, ssssoooo....
@animezilla4486 moon girl is really good but the rest of the series said above have been plagued by cancelation, horrible scheduling blocks so they get less views, or less money for their crew in general, and I hope Moon Girl doesn't suffer from that fate.
my problem with the remakes is the changing of "problematic" parts of the film. We should not remove these parts imo. It will allow future generations to see how we have changed as a society since then.
👏👏👏👏👏 Thank you! This needed to be said! If we erase the problems of our past, we are doomed to keep repeating them and erase the progression of time.
cool sentiment in any other context
-yeah so the original cut with the problematic shit isn't destroyed, like holy shit, this should not need to be explained to you
-stories are supposed to say something and the ones that say lobotomized shit should be raked over the hot coals
this is the same asinine argument used to defend statues of racist assholes being left up. you see, there's a difference between a library carrying copies of mein kampf and that library hanging nazi propaganda on the walls
I actually feel really bad for elemental, because the animation teams really knocked it out of the park with that one. The main issue of that movie that i cant get past is the movie's underlying message is contradicted by its own universe. The racism aspect of the movie simply doesnt fit, because some elements are literally hazards to each other. I cant blame earth people for never wanting to go anywhere near fire people. The trailer itself shows Ember accidentally burn all the grass off of one of the Earth people, which is played off as kind of a gag, but i cant come away from that thinking the Earth people are being unfair, ignorant, and close minded.
7:30 She gives me the vibe of a snobbish wealthy californian who only speaks english.
She’d be laughed at and dismissed in Latin America….. this middle class doofuses could only do a career in The US….
@@alejandromolinac Exactly.
She's just a third/fourth gen Latina that is overcompensating for becoming assimilated to US culture
@@laprincesadelacocina like any of those who say “Latinxxx”
Says a lot that the Oye Mispelling woman thinks that Disney need to be the ones to deliver a show to Latin-American kids, when Latin-American kids just want to watch Goku.
I hope Disney will have to sell Star Wars (All Lucasfilm ltd.) back to George Lucas and Marvel to people who know what they're doing.
It actually looks like Marvel might be taking some time out of the spotlight to reevaluate their strategy, given they’re not going to appear at Comic-Con this year.
@ShadowHut. Never say never. It's better to sell an IP than to go bankrupt. Disney isn't indestructible, especially since they've been taking huge losses one after another for years now.
@@kingagrabowska9366 All the talk about the obligations to pay for Hulu while they are not very liquid could lead to some quick sales. Interesting times we live in.
@@kingagrabowska9366but that doesn't mean they're on the verge of bankruptcy raining like that they're still have a chance to bounce back on the top I don't think you're ever going to sell Star Wars or Marvel the best course of action is to take a break from those properties for a while until the heat dies down
Nah, Disney is a bit Stingy when it comes to that stuff, they would rather get bankrupt than sell their IPs.
The problem with Disney is that they got too use to hiring people from the Los Angeles area, so they do not vet their writers nor artists, to see if they were actually competent in those fields. The recent string of animated features, suggests that Disney got into a habit of hiring, what I like to call "Arthouse Hipsters", people who write edgy content about their personal baggage, such as family conflict, generational trauma, civil strife and identity struggle, the sorts of topics that do not always translates well to animation based around family entertainment. When people go to the cinema, they do so to escape their troubled lives, not experience other people's troubled lives told in animated form, I for one have experienced these things before, and do not want to be reminded of these moments, when I wish to be entertained. As for Primos, this states my case that the writers of the cartoon, are just not good enough to entertain children, the Instagram posts are a case in point, the voice actress was addressing adults, for a cartoon aimed at children, from an ethnic group that gets condescended and patronised by a larger ethnic group, she really ate crow on that one, Disney needs to improve their hiring standards. Remember, people want to be entertained, not lectured nor preached to when they go to see animated films, this is fine if you are making a live-action drama, where the audience knows what to expect, so I finish by saying, you can have a family cartoon, or you can have a bleak drama, you can't have both.
Attacking the spanish language was among the best ways to make it worse, yeah, it came from the spanish conquista, but latin americans take a lot of pride in their language, the slangs, the accent, the curses, it is so localized that you can easily tell who is from where just by greeting each other, and of course, we mock and annoy each other, that show had a chance, we love teaching our language and our slangs, but of course, their arrogange got the best of them
I’m actually mexican american and nonspanish speaking and even I can say Primos fumbled the bag.
There’s a way to have the main protagonist not understand Spanish. But save it for the actual show in content. Not the intro where it gives a bad impression that the show itself doesn’t understand or respect Spanish.
Bringing up the fact its a colonizer language doesnt excuse it.
@@Attmay The fuck does that have to do with anything? It doesn't matter what language people that did horrible things centuries ago spoke. People speak that language now and they haven't done anything wrong. Are you trying to be racist? Because you sound racist.
@@Attmay Does it really matter? A lot of languages (even English) come from colonization. It's just a sad fact of history that took place hundreds of years ago but don't have much bearings on the point of the original argument of not knowing Spanish.
@@AttmaySo? Its the language I was raised to speak by my parents, by my entire family, my entire life, should I stop speaking it just because of some shit that happened centuries ago? What about English? Do we just throw grammar and punctuation to the wind because "its a colonizer language"? I feel like people throw buzzwords around without thinking about the repercussions.
I’m Costa Rican American who has struggled speaking Spanish my whole life with my Dad. I think the idea behind this show was a good one that a lot of us can relate to.
But that said, they could have explored this idea within the show itself instead of the introduction. By doing it in the introduction, they come across as very lazy and tone deaf. And this bitch going online and insulting the language as a whole leaves me wondering why anyone should even watch it.
@mariocollisionmaker there's hardly a single major language that hasn't been spoken by conquerors or mean people, for that matter...
I think the creator explained that growing up and not speaking fluent Spanish led to grammatical errors. So, the show was meant to represent kids whose family is of a cultural they feel separated from.
The voice actor released their statement before checking in with anyone else from the crew behind the show. And when you’re working for Disney, you don’t make remarks without consulting someone higher up the corporate ladder.
I’d also say that it’s just a smart idea to not bring up unnecessary politics, especially when the question had nothing to do with, and egotistically insult your potential customers. Common sense is like deodorant to Hollywoke: those who need it the most don’t use it at all.
The staff working at the Primos show could at least gave a little explanation before releasing the teaser. On the other hand, if the VA who voices the main character is the one who made that infamous video it makes her look like the worst choice to voice a character who tries to recognize with her Latino/Mexican heritage, the fact that she practically insulted the Spanish language makes her look hypocritical to voice a character that is trying to improve her Spanish
@@laniokami1730At last, a meaningful contribution to the discussion
Given this was after the backlash of the VA, this may be a cover up. Because if it's just Tater's and the creator's point of view with having broken spanish, then having the theme song be the promotion instead of a trailer is very bad marketing. Which seems to be Disney's mo lately. The show would still get criticism due to the other factors people have with the show, but a trailer would likely have an explanation
@@knightofarnor2552 Hehehe, made me laugh. I was holding the phone tight and didnt notice that i pressed some buttons. But yeah if you want a meaningful contribution: i can imagine that the voice actress migh not be the only one in the production team with this attitude. And that toxic outlook may have found its way into the series. In some way it remindes me of Velma.
I want Disney to fail if not solely to see if these new Gods can die. These corporate monsters that are more involved in telling us how to think and what to believe in rather then entertaining or making a good product.
@ShadowHut. Some companies deserve to fail. Like Oceangate.
@ShadowHut.Me too
Where does Disney find these people?? It’s actually pretty remarkable how they consistently seem to hire people so out of touch with reality and letting them tank their entire corporation. The incompetence of Disney execs is truly astonishing.
It is really easy to find Incompetent than competent or atleast decent.
@@Gantaipao Man…
Look at that 7:11
7:30 The true hilarity here is that she's most likely being abusive towards other people such as Mexicans etc. who feel that the language they speak is being mistreated. Rather than admitting that, she's doubling down by refusing to acknowledge that, regardless of just how this did end up being the case, *_Mexican_* Spanish was the mother tongue of her close ancestors.
Originally my only issue with Primos was the animation style. But after hearing the VA post I’m even more turned off by it
Why do recent creations are so Meanspirited? Why do people on the internet and these creators think that everybody is againtst them, feeling like they need to fight others? Spreading universal messages of love will always be more powerfull, than politics.
The VA's opinion of Spanish is why we have such stupid and derogatory terms like Latnix as insults towards Spanish speakers in Latin America!
As far as I'm concerned, Disney can keep pumping out such content, as it means they will lose a smeg ton of money each and every time, which hopefully will get to a point where they need to start thinking about the actual audience again, instead of the lip-service tweets they get on social media!
As some TH-camr said “Latinx what’s that? Latinos with super powers?”
Yes, because of people like this who know jack about anything make the dumbest terms.
If the person who created that word knew anything about spanish they would know that “Latinos” encompasses all, Spanish is a gendered language, Latina (s) describes women and Latino(s) describes men, but the “gender neutral” term is still Latinos, because o can encompasses all
Correction, "latinx" is not an insult or slur, it was made by a Brazilian a long time ago, I can't remember the exact date, so if you're curious I suggest googling it
@@KyleruinIt wasn't supposed to be but I'd rather have people call me an FOB or a beaner and not a Latinx
@@Kyleruin for actual Latinos(as) is as bad as an insult regardless of what pochos intended
I feel like Elementals had so so much potential and it was so darn wasted, there are so many things that are so confusing as well?
The whole water village is made of glass and the only element that can create glass is Fire but you don't see any Fire people working in the main city, so how the heck is everything made of glass then?
Also fire is said to be destructive, but we never see any real danger, we never see a fire person killing, for example, another element by accident.
And the last thing, the fact that they realize that water and fire are actually able to touch without destructing, ARE YOU TELLING ME THAT NOBODY EVER IN THE HISTORY OF ELEMENTS HAS TOUCHED BEFORE? NOT EVEN BY MISTAKE? Come on.
Its actually similar how Middle Easterns are stereotyped as terrorists. Im sure some of fire people actually caused trouble which made other elements anxious and caused acting racist towards them etc. I wish it was something like Zootopia rather than a love story. It was probably the experiences of the director etc. It could have been better, although I still loved it.
Disney does have an option: they can cancel the production on the live-action remake
If they can cancel the sequel for Elemental,then they can do that
When you are a no Sabo kid but instead of owning up to the fact you are not fluent in your parents native tongue you decide to just dismiss the language all together. Idk personally I think spanish brought people together...there were many different groups of indigenous people. Even before the conquistadors arrived to Mexico there was war between some of them. Also it wasn't just the Spaniards that got into mexico..almost everyone has gone trough mexico at some point. That is why you have mexicans that look black,white,native,asian..etc...personally I like that I can meet someone from honduras or guayemala..and even if the language varies we can hold a conversation together because we do speak Spanish. Also mexican Spanish and Spanish from Spain is different just how English from England is diff than that of the USA.
Yeah they seem to get mad at the Spanish Conquistadors for ‘conquering the natives,’ which seems to ignore that one of the first cultures the Spanish encountered there was the sacrifice obsessed Aztecs. It was the neighboring cultures that teamed up with the Spanish to take down the Aztec empire, and then the Spanish had to keep the new winners from torturing and killing the remaining Aztecs! Just saying, the Natives have their own history and conflicts that would turn anyone’s stomaches.
Plus, the Spanish were pretty big on missionary work. Often the missions set up provided the best education, food, shelter, and general kindness for people. Not saying it was always peaceful, but the Spanish crown did listen to priests/missionaries over the conquistadors in some matters relating to native relations.
@@jendoe9436 Yeah, history is a complicated, messy affair. The mission system was a mixed bag. Some of the extreme discipline was harsh and cruel by todays' standards, but the Spanish themselves were also subject to it. In exchange education brought wealth and Spanish acted as a Lingua Franca for the region and still does today. We lost much information about the native cultures because Spanish priests destroyed them but at the same time we only retained what we know and have a lot of other firsthand information because Spanish priests recorded it or preserved it. Nothing is all one thing or the other.
7:37 I feel the same way about her too. I hate smug and arrogant people.
The smug smirk is what gets me. 💀
I kinda have to admit I was bit interested in Elemental however with the way Disney has been for the last 10 years really [but especially the last 5 years] I try not support them anymore really. I saw Guardians of the Galaxy but that was really it. Now I just rent the movies for free from my public library. Disney seems to be concerned with making subpar movies with bland to bad stories all for the sake of....something, agenda or whatnot. Plus supporting things that are just really messed up [Mulan 2020]. With Elemental even I admit it did look cute but it also looks really bland. It's just like Zootopia [which I didn't even care for] only just elements. There's not much clever thinking. Like why do the fire people use just a normal train. They even make jokes about it in the trailer saying why do they have fences if they don't work. And yeah that's a joke but it's not very funny. And it just shows how unthought of the world seems to be. Also from what I've heard it seems that Ember has a temper and needs to learn to control it. But Wade is too emotional but that's fine. I think a good balance would've been having both of them learn to control their emotions.
EDIT: I finished the video. Great video and yeah I agree with your takes. I find it sad that Disney use to be the standard of animation now can't do anything original. And even their original stuff is missing the mark
Spoilers: She was only being told to control it because it was affecting her job at the shop. She was losing it and lighting everything up on fire. Wade is emotional, but it doesn't actually effect his job/life. There's even a point in the beginning that he's crying but he's still doing his job. They can use regular trains, because they can to an extent control their fire, and they also use chainmail to keep themselves from lighting anything up. Hopes that clears anything up.
@@pokemonrulzs101 yeah it does. Thank you. I'll wait till the film comes out to rent it for free but it still seems like a pretty bland way to do things. I was using the example of "why do fire people use trains" as a simplified picture of what I meant. I just feel like if they are the personifications of said elements you could do more creative things with them. It's not easy I admit but Pixar was able to do this I feel at one time. And from the way you mention it. it appears Ember's emotions get in the way and Wade's doesn't. But that's kinda of what I thought. I think it Wade should've had moments where his emotions would be a detriment and he would have to work on them. Cause realistically both are forms of not having your emotions in check and neither are good. So I think it be interesting to show them both having to learn something and through that they fall in love. That's more of what I meant.
@@Merisu_Sheep why would wade showing his emotions be bad? Him crying legit never caused any issues. He was clumsy but that just was his personality. There’s nothing wrong with people showing their emotions. Ember was angry because it was her subconsciously being angry at having to take over the shop. Her anger was an issue that was addressed rather early in the movie. The rest was her just trying to reject her desire to not run the shop. (Which she ultimately doesn’t do)
Ember emotions are legit the whole issue of the movie. She’s fighting herself the entire time. She desires to live her own life, but feels she has to be running a shop due to her thinking her fathers dream is her running the shop.
That if she doesn’t run it, she failing her father and all his hard work is going to waste. That she is a bad daughter if she doesn’t run it.
The movie ends with the father denying this and saying that SHE was his dream.
@@pokemonrulzs101 this is just my personal thoughts from the reviews I scene. I just think it make a nice balance if you did show both having issues that need to be fixed. That's just my opinion.
Apparently, doing research of Caribbean fairytales is hard for Disney. Despite Encanto being successful.
I still didn’t see Elementals yet and I’ll still check it out. (Don’t worry I mute the spoilers part)
3:07 Peter Sohn is also voice actor who played Ganke In Across The Spiderverse. I also felt bad his movie, the elementals flopped.
1:13 even Benh Zeitlin got The lightning right in the Wendy 2020 movie. Yeah there was a Wendy Movie before Disney remake of Peter Pan & Wendy. I can say Wendy 2020 movie is better.
Oh my god Primos. I am all for original ips but I really dislike this cartoon.
As the information that About Tater doesn’t speak Spanish. I question this because the information came out after the Instagram video. Why didn’t the main lead voice actress mention this? How she didn’t know about this. It would be better to say that instead of antagonizing people. Hate marketing is not the answer!
Also it much worst since there characters from Primos that their names translates to non Disney friendly standards. As *Cookita* is translated to the “P word” before Cat. *ChaCha* is translated to HouseMaid and Nanny which is also slur word in Mexican culture.
Like I understand that the creator didn’t grew up speaking Spanish but can she and the crew worked on the show even Try to give good name to Spanish children? Because they named kids the P word and Nanny.
Also there’s two characters name Nacho and Nachito. Classy, Disney Classy.
*Jeez, Victor and Valentino did better Mexican Representation than Primos.* Heck, They gave great stories of the Mexican Folklore and the Doll Island episode they done is based on a *Real Life Location in Mexico.* Man, sad Victor and Valentino got slept on.
I really don't know why these people who are so focused on other cultures, refuse to use their myths and legends to make stories,
like for lord of the rings, If I where dead set on adding black dwarves, i wouldn't just "rewrite" the lore to have some black dwarf, I'd just make a new story in that universe that meshes into the original, like "In a land extremely far away, africa",
where that region of the world is just african mythology instead of european, they have their own unique people, their own creatures and myths, would it work well? I have no clue since I haven't read the books, but it would be better since it would add onto the lore instead of just shitting on it.
This is why I like Elder Scrolls' take on their world, there's plenty of cultures based off of real world cultures, to the north west you got french people (for some reason), the north is skyrim which is nordic, the desert has redguards which are both african and Mediterranean cultures, to the east is a whole ass continent where Japanese-esque people come from and thats why there are katanas in the world, and so on.
@@doctorgrubious7725 They could literally do that. Tolkien intended for Middle Earth to be a mythological origin story for England, so Middle Earth's version of Africa could exist as much as Middle Earth's version of Asia. The problem is that requires good world-building and respect for setting and the culture they're representing, things that are lost to these "woke" Americans who are too focused on fulfilling diversity checks in things like RoP. In many cases, like what happened with LOTR MTG where they blackwashed Aragorn, they can't even do diversity right because they prefer to cut corners by race swapping established characters rather than doing actual representation. Disney could've made an West African folklore inspired film that featured the Aziza, but they decided to instead blackwash Tinkerbell in the Peter Pan remake. They can claim that they're being representative but race swapping established characters is not representation, it's a copout born out of them being unable to get out of their comfort zone.
@@TheCrimsonElite666 there’s so many ways to get the “black princesses” that black girls apparently need, but let’s ignore the recent princess and the frog movie which is very loved by man people (they legit call that racist because she’s not black for a majority of the movie, she’s a frog), but as Eric July said, it’s like they only see white characters as valid and no other cultures are deserving of having their stories told, or even Any based on them unless it’s from a white point of view.
I heard something a how the pirates of the Caribbean was dropped, which you could have literally thrown in a black mermaid princess and it wouldn’t piss *anyone* off 💀
@@TheCrimsonElite666 man now you're making me think of how cool it would be if we could genuinely lord of the rings-ify ancient non-european legends and make them a sort of expansion of middle earth. Imagine if you took the wendigos of native american myth and made them into something you'd see in a lord of the rings type setting. That would legitimately be badass
Getting the feeling that actors and Voice actors should stay off of social media. Because whenever they try and address the fans about the backlash of whatever show or movie there working on. It usually ends very badly. And tends to alienate the very people there market to.
"Spanish is a colonizer language"
- said in English
Ok, then speak Nahuatl, the language of the Aztecs and Mexicahs.
Oh, you don't know that?
How did they go from Encanto to this? Honestly, Disney's falling off way too hard.
While the advertising for Elemental definitely played a big role, I feel that the underperformance of this and the Little Mermaid is likely due to Disney releasing a lot of its movies on Disney Plus.
Especially in regards to Pixar, many people have gotten used to Disney making there movies available for streaming after 30 days in theaters. Heck, Luca, Soul, and Turning Red never even got a chance at a theatrical release. This has lead to a lot of Pixar employees to feel that Disney isn’t respecting their efforts enough, espically when Raya and Cruella were given theatrical releases and available in Disney Plus for $20. This has lead to people not holding Pixar movies in less high regard than before.
With how expensive theaters have gotten lately, parents may be hesitant to drop $50 on a movie they can watch at home in a month. Instead, they’ll see movies like Spiderverse that had much more hype behind it.
There is literally a Caribbean folktale about mermaids called La Sirene. Essentially if Ariel was queen of the ocean and also a goddess
I think the only real problem with Elemental is that I know I can see it for free in a few months on Disney Plus so why would I go pay to see it in theaters. The movie looks fine, I'm sure I'll like it but not enough to pay theater prices to see something I can get for free just by waiting.
The remakes on the other hand are whatever. Never cared for any of them. Couldn't pay me to go see them in a theater and I most likely won't watch them on Disney Plus either
The main character of Primos being bad at Spanish sounds like something they decided after the fact to cover their asses 🤷♀️
Hi from Australia. We don’t even get half these shows here but your breakdowns are great. Also I’ve never thought of the issues of having a ‘coloniser language’ to confuse and complicate things there even further thanks for that but of education ! Subbed 😊
Who would've thought that completely erasing a beloved character for years for "diversity" would be a flop.
Again it wasn’t for diversity, Halle Bailey set the bar as they said and they got every person from every race to play the part, why is it hard to believe a black person has done better then everyone else and it’s automatically a sake for diversity?!
@@Rtp4k Because IT IS, believe it or not. One can search for any dull excuse, but reality is always going to be that disney is choosing actors after race and gender.
@@lightborn9071 sometimes not always really said that this mindset makes you assume the whole thing is 100% meanwhile we have ariel and nick fury originally whit e characters actually being casted for one purpose and they did that purpose not because of diversity also your point is very true
@@Rtp4k Thank you. I don't mean that ALL race-swapping is wrong, btw. It's just this agenda-pushing that's seen everywhere right now.
The character isn’t erased dude she’s literally right there look with your own eyes
Disney has gotten increasingly worse over the past decade in every arena. And it feels like their bad decision making and ultra-corporate approach are finally starting to really hit them where it hurts. I'm not a Disney hater, but man, they have really disillusioned me over the past few years. Between their handling of the Star Wars sequels, Pixar's recent bomb (and long slew of lackluster projects), and now their slow-motion crash-and-burn releases with the MCU (Phase 5 is off to an abysmal start when you discount GotG 3), it's starting to become clear that the company is crumbling under its own weight. I've defended Disney for a while, but I've officially lost my patience. It didn't used to be this way. I remember a while ago when a new Disney release was a big deal that people got excited over, but now it seems like everything they put out under all their branches is just meh. They need to remember how to balance corporate business with quality craftsmanship again, or else they need to dump some of the bigger IPs that are just taking up too much space. I don't want Disney to go under, but man, they are pissing me off.
As a latina, I was shocked at Natasha´s ignorance, like I couldn´t believe what I was hearing, there´s no damn way girl
The pilot and first episode of the primos thing was leaked, and kind of shows that the creator may be lying, because non of the "i cant speak Spanish very well" things is mention at all
Bet the Spanish dub of the show (if it actually gets made) won’t have the incorrect grammar
@@roboticturtle8822 specially because dub would make cero sense
To be honest Disney had all these "L"s coming. They moved away from entertaining people to trying to shove propaganda down people's throats and started stepping into the realm of politics. An area they shouldn't. Not to mention that they have done nothing to stop the distasteful comments many of their very public people involved in their movies/shows had made about audiences members who don't like what they were doing. In fact they seemed to encourage the the bad faith twitter remarks.
If wish come out later this year let me guess people are going to hate that movie too right ?
Politics? Propaganda? Do you know what either of these words mean?
Tell me, what message is Disney trying to send? Go on.
@@animezilla4486 Hell if I know. The failings with the Little Mermaid(Remake) are fairly well understood because Disney straight up said what they were doing and they bashed anyone who didn't like the way the story was going, the way they were changing the meaning of the songs or the designs of Sebastian and Flounder, So the hate there I get. I'll be honest I heard very little about Elemental and Wish doesn't seem too bad at first glance.
I don’t think it’s fair to say politics is the reason. Disney has always simultaneously played both ways since it’s conception though more so now than before. They make respective ethnically diverse shows and movies like Encanto, Princess and the frog, Aladdin, Mulan, and Elena of Avalor but the same time make shows like Primos, song of the south, live action Mulan, live action lady and the tramp, and every racially insensitive short in the 1940s and that’s not going into its handling of LGBT, being both inclusive and exclusive. The problem is that Disney is becoming less and less creative, focusing more on nostalgia than making new things it doesn’t help that they have become a monopoly. This means there is very little competition to force them to stay fresh.
Especially with Disney Senior VP Latondra Newton’s “Reimagine Tomorrow” ESG/DEI initiative from 2017 till recently.
What? There was a planned sequel for Elemental? But I loved Elemental. It restored my hope for Disney love stories. I do look up to how well you explain certain films like Peter Pan and Wendy, Live Action Little Mermaid, and a few more, haven't been living up to expectations. But Elemental was amazing to me. I won't convince you that this film is perfect, but I don't want to loose the fact that my hope has been uplifted.
if there was a sequel my life would be complete.
@@ThefakeFirstblewo About that...Since the world thought the movie was bad, the planned sequel was cancelled
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I honestly believe that the team behind PRIMOS were [eventually] going to provide that justification for the Spanish errors until Myrna Velasco’s response added fuel to the fire 😅
I agree. If the studio were just fast enough to cut her off and gave that explanation. People would have shut up.
In fact, if the TRAILER explained that she wasn't good in Spanish and will be learning it through out the show. NO ONE would have complained AT ALL.
But since the actress fucked up, and probably just upset SO MANY parents, with that video.
And hasn't apologized yet.
The show might greatly suffer... thanks to HER.
They can fix this. But this would mean delaying the release of the show, as the new VA redoes the lines.
Sorry for Original VA, but she did this to herself.
So it’s a show for those who are trying to find their place in a community they feel left out of, but that community also “sucks” and should be dismissed for its pRoBlEMatiC qualities?
Sounds about right for mainstream media influenced by internet culture.
@@Attmaynobody expects the Spanish Inquisition!
The only thing I’m looking forward for fro, Disney is the Percy Jackson series , as I’ve been looking to it for a long time since it’s announcement but we have wait till 2024 for its release which is a long wait but means it should hopefully turn out good
I'm hoping beyond hope it's not only good but it ends up being the shot in the army Disney Plus and Disney itself needs.
I never expected to get second hand embarrassed from a company
Pixar lately’s been obsessed with preachy movies. I just want to be entertained with a well crafted relatable story; not be preached to with a movie that puts the message about the director’s background over crafted storytelling.
Honestly I wanted to see Elemental despite me already getting the generic story, but I’ve seen people making videos on it and now I’m iffy. I still might watch it on my own time though, I really liked your review on it
The movie is nice, it's a very cute rom-com I enjoyed despite the fact I'm not into romances;
The animation is great and the characters are fun..
It's not a copy of Zootopia (unlike people who saw the trailer but didn't watch the movie claim), it just had, in fact, bad Teaser Trailers which completely skipped the main plot and focused too much on side plots.. for some reason idk
I watched It the other day, it's a cute slice-of-life movie, you can watch it to relax or to have some wholesome moments, nothing too heavy💕
@@giulf3der957 ah okay, that explains it a little better. I heard the marketing for the film was pretty bad, haven't seen many people dissing the actual story. But yeah ty, I'll definitely check it out!
I hate how Disney has now had three opportunities for good Latin American representation and they’ve all had downfalls.
Marco from “Star Vs The Forces Of Evil” = The shipping became way too prominent in the show and derailed everything else. And after the weak final season and polarizing finale, a lot of people don’t remember him fondly.
Luz from “The Owl House” = Had their character journey rushed because Disney will only use representation and diversity as a marketing tactic. But they’ll do their best to omit it for international releases when possible (Alex Hirsch mentioned similar issues with LGBTQ+ representation in “Gravity Falls”).
Tater from “Oye Primos” = This mess with the pushback from audiences and the obviously unvetted response from the lead voice actor.
Thank goodness there are well received movies like “Coco” and “Encanto” to make up for some of the less successful tv series that either missed their mark or were hindered by the higher ups.
Disney is too woke
Look I'll admit, the Owl House was a master piece of writing and did things well. It showed an actual show that had good LGBTQ representation because the show didn't force it in your face like every other show did just to do it. They had natural characters, Luz and Amity, were natural, they had a deep loving relationship that wasn't rushed or forced. It happened naturally and lovingly and I liked the fact they didn't focus to to much on labels and trying to make it a personality trait for both of their characters. They were just that, characters that were in love with each other and had a natural flow to the two of them. Then there's Star and Marco, who I really enjoyed as friends with both of them being with Kelly and Tom or just having no love interests at all. But I do agree with you that it hasn't been looking for well for the Latin American community and it's sad.
As someone who was obsessed with Star vs back in the day, yeah the derailment of the show and lost rep of Marco really did strike me harshly. Man I really did like his character early on, had a ton of potential, probably even another small story of not being completely in touch with his roots, but still showing plenty strength in who he is. Ugh, I hated what they did with him at the end. Complete 180 in persona, smh. Didn't really click with The Owl House but I'm still dissappointed to hear it was targeted by the damn mouse. Honestly was rooting for it from the sidelines man.
@@MJAYZ007 1. Luz and Amity grew and loved each other more naturally than most Hollywood straight couples, most of the time even they feel extremely forced (2 examples off the top of my head because I don’t really watch big budget media: Marco and Star in the later part of the show, and Blade Runner from the 90s because it stuck with me how forced, awkward and unnatural it felt)
2. Back in the day I really enjoyed Marco and Star’s relationship and I shipped them hard and they felt like a good couple to me, It really fell off when they added the ex’s and multiple relationships drama, the only one that I felt could work was Marco x Kelly, Star x Tom never really made sense and Marco x Jackie was so disappointing. Most of the couples were awful and then they forced Marco and Star to be together for no reason. It was just really bad
@@princewellidkso? Man yall need to stop saying some film or show is bad cuz its so called "woke"🤡
Growing up, I heard a lot of Spanish but it was not ‘proper’ Spanish. It was a mix of Spanish with parts altered based on where the person grew up because every area has it’s own dialect and slang. Hence why the Spanish speaking Mexicans in my class were always frustrated at our teacher, who taught proper Spanish since that’s the base for the language. She spent like 10-12 years in Venezuela, so she also knew why they were mad at their grades but the class was ‘Spanish’ not ‘Texas Spanish.’
Would have been much smarter for the VA to not say anything at all and wait for the proper PR team. If she HAD to say something, just something simple like “sorry if there’s confusion about the released grammar. It will make since once more show info is released.”
Not helping the case is the insistence of woke busybodies trying to make the gendered languages more “inclusive” by adding the LatinX garbage. You can’t get Latin America to agree on everything, but they will come together if you mess with their language like that. Sort of like how Mexicans will come together if you try to erase Speedy Gonzales for ‘cultural insensitivity.’ Hint: do not try to erase Speedy Gonzales unless you want to get an earful.
In short, don’t try to mess us languages like that. If I wanna watch an American butcher the Spanish language, I’ll watch Peggy Hill.
That reminds me of my mandatory Spanish class, where we were taught Spanish from Spain (!!!) instead of Mexican Spanish, which is what me and most of the people in the class spoke (!!!!!) so that class was a waste of time
Gee, Primos looks like it deliberately makes the characters look ugly.
Being Born as 90's Kids is like personal badge of honor for me , Of course i'm pampered with Gold , Silver , Bronze and Rennaissance era Disney Classics
Ironically Disney in Modern Era looks no longer an entertaiment company but as a corporate with holier than thou attitude that too obssesed with political corectness
So, the actress claims that her statements were "in character" or something? That doesn't pass the sniff test.
What would the woke Disney think if you show them how much success Spider-verse was despite of its diversity? They would just ignore and keep painting themselves as victims of racism and forever crying from being butt hurt regardless
Diversity itself doesn't make things bad, the handling of it does. I'd rather have a diverse STORY than a diverse concept for a story. The story should always come first, and the Spideeverse team was very good about researching different cultures and not making it out to be "oh wow! How cool would it be to have an INDIAN SPIDERMAN???!!" instead of just making Pav a normal character who happens to be Indian, which they thankfully did.
Should’ve waited to post this video when Indy 5 comes out
I love the design of your avatar. If Disney ever rebooted Kim Possible (properly with animation), I would love to see them use your art style and direction.
“The other elements are discriminatory, not wanting to rent to fire people.”
*firepeople literally burning everything down.
Completely destroys the analogy. They are literally as dangerous as others fear.
She says Spanish is a colonizer language in a colonizer language
You are right… about everything.
But especially that Disney is in fact doing this to themselves…
It’s like a prodigal child who would grow up to be a narcotics addict who just won’t listen to the helpful concerns of everyone who once loved it and seemingly is continuing it’s self destructive habits partly out of spite towards it’s worried family and friends… then makes a public fool of itself.
He has his reasons.
You’d be surprised to know what they are.
Anyone remember TRON: Uprising, Motor City and Wander Over Yonder?
I only wonder over yonder
Yep and Motor City was the only show that made me remotely interested in Hot Wheels more than the actual Hot Wheels cartoons
I loved those three shows. And then they had to take them away into oblivion. Now we get garbage like Primos.
I LOVE WONDER OVER YONDER!!!
@@pinksywedarnoc8017 me too
And Disney also cut the last season of The Owl House short, witch is a relly original and fun show. Very sad
Most people have caught on to Disney’s pandering and virtue signaling, and that diversity for them is nothing more than a shield they raise when they receive backlash for putting in the most minimal effort possible.
diversity is has always been a shield to displace wyites in their nation
The VA actually privated her instagram (where she posted the video)
The thing is, Miles Morales is *supposed* to be black. Ariel isn't.
Who had it worse?
Brazil, whose 200 years of independence turned into a festival where the former president said his PP doesn't go down when he's in bed?
Or...
Disney whose 100th year is having flop after flop?
If two people of different race shake hands irl, nothing happens. If a water person and a fire person shake hands, they both get hurt. Shitty allegory.
Elemental may not be much, but it sure kept me personally more interested than the rest.
I'm guessing that Disney already has a bunch more live-action remakes in development (some of which they probably haven't even announced publicly yet), but Iger and the other suits aren't bold enough to kill those projects and accept any money already spent on them as being essentially lost at the Blackjack table even through they probably realize the live-action remake craze has peaked.