European Court of Human Rights rules 'gay cake' case inadmissible
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- The European Court of Human Rights has ruled the case of a man suing a Belfast bakery for not writing the words “support gay marriage” on a case is inadmissible and has dismissed it.
Institute of Civil Society Executive Director Mark Sneddon says the verdict, which came seven years after the suit was launched, came when Gareth Lee tried to claim it was an issue of human rights.
“You can’t now raise issues of human rights under the European Convention of Human Rights when you’ve never raised them before at any of the three levels of courts in the UK which have dealt with this,” he told Sky News host Cory Bernardi.
Mr Sneddon said the European Court of Human Rights “let the decision of the UK supreme court stand”.
This bakery should now demand ALL THEIR COSTS!!
Absolutely, and the twat who brought the stupid case in the first place should be paying those costs, not the taxpayer.
They don't give a rip about gays. The Marxist globalists want control. Agenda 1 and 2 from Curtis Bowers. Yuri Bezmenov. Spread the word.
I back them for doing this and normally the legal norm is to do so. Have a look at my assessment of the gay cake ruling-let’s have a debate, so comment on my clip watch: th-cam.com/video/nKGBLtL0Joo/w-d-xo.html
@@TheMerlin672 why are the taxpayers paying for a civil case?
@Ron Venty "Nowt good ole soap and water wouldn't cure and take that as you will matey ."
You sound more like a Jordie...lol...
This is so simple. If gays want a cake and a bakery does not believe in what it stands for; go elsewhere. I'm tired of these privileged people who believe they have the "right" to make a business or someone else support their beliefs or agenda against their will. Nobody HAS to agree with you. Get that through your privileged heads!!!
I agree. You should have to ask around for a specific thing if you can't find it readily available. Isn't it best to find a provider that's interested and capable of producing that fringe lulnatic product you're after? At some point, we're all going to be begging for food and water. You can now pay $3 for a coffee, but no sugar. However, it's not too much to ask for basic servvices like clean tables, condiments, and the products companies specialize in which is now becoming a disappointing problem. It's better to just stay home with a computer and not have to deal with a great big open lunatic asylum.
They don't give a rip about gays. The Marxist globalists want control. Agenda 1 and 2 from Curtis Bowers. Yuri Bezmenov. Spread the word.
Mocking the institution of traditional marriage with these lawsuits is no coincidence, and for the record, Masterpiece Cakeshop, the Colorado baker was perfectly willing to make them a blank cake just not decorate it. Also for the record, the attorney is related to the customers who filed suit. These are targeted attacks on society. Of course, the fake news doesn't tell you that.
Yes, I agree with you. I think he was provocative, and that' was the aim. Have a look at my assessment of the gay cake ruling-let’s have a debate, so comment on my clip watch: th-cam.com/video/nKGBLtL0Joo/w-d-xo.html
How are they privileged lol 😆 this shows them who cares what you are . Go get your cake made some place else. This is just stupid. He's not got egg on his face its cake.
This is part of the hard push to discredit certain beliefs and disrupt every day people. Whats weird is these same groups dont go after the way less tolerate religion's.
They serve Halal only.
@@ChackoAthanasius They can make halal gay cake
@@rengurenge Ooph!
Amazing, isn't it, how their courage deserts them when it comes to challenging Is a lamb's far more aggressively anti-gay stance?
Because it is dangerous. Christian are easy targets, muslims are not, they will retaliate. In Spain some women went into a Church and remove their blouses and brassieres to protest against the Church for opression and I thought muslim women are more oppress why dont go to a mesquite an protesta there too? But no, they would not do it, to dangerous.
It blows my mind that it took so many court hours to come up with this logical conclusion 🤦♂️
All Human Rights Courts are self serving.
Seven years pondering a simple question
the whole world is waking up against wokeism
the process IS the punishment.
I don't think members in courts are getting paid for how fast they work and if this is the case than there is no interest in doing so.
It’s because he was a Christian that mr Lee kept this saga ongoing for 7 years, if the business cake owner was a Muslim, this would not have gone ahead. The cake shop owner should file a discrimination case against mr Lee!!!
L W F
The cake shop owner irrespective of which of the three Abrahamic faiths he adheres to
has Morals -
Mr. Lee has no authority and cannot compel anyone to disregard and act contrary to their Morals
and principles of behavior.
When Mr. Lee has a penchant for sodomy - then that is his business - but he cannot compel anyone
to support it or have anything to do in relation to it - relatively speaking.
I do not endorse sodomy - besides which I would imagine it is a pain in the ass
Even the late Rex Mossop would agree
-- Tonight Live: When Rex Met Julian.
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@@andrew_koala2974, Your comment reminds me of that doctor in San Francisco who either retired from practice or relocated to a different city. The doctor was a proctologist. When asked why he was doing/did he gave a straight ( no pun intended) answer. " I went into my field to help people who needed help. Over time I got more and more gay men come in who needed their rectum tightened back up due to all the sodomy. I kept telling them the rectum is designed as a one way exit and not as a 2 way street."
I agree.
@Torhion there's 3 types, all under the same god just different teachings
If the owners we Muslim, Mr Lee will have Jihadist attack him shortly.
Epitomises the ridiculousness of what society has become.
IKR! I feel like I went to sleep and woke up in a altered reality sifi movie.
Where the insane people run the world.
Oh wait, We have Biden in the USA... the man that falls up the stairs...
Nooo! It's not a dream😭
But not in the way most people are saying.
@@mssburr I swear I died and went to HELL and this is IT!
Demonstrates just how stupid the concept of human rights has gotten. The human rights courts in Canada are a joke. Jessica Yaniv proved it, He/She brought the case and the Human rights court ruled that they had been discriminated against because the spa wouldn't provide a feminine waxing of his balls.
And if someone went to a Jewish baker and asked for a cake with swastika shaped frosting on it? Yikes!!
No one has the right to attempt to force a business or person to subscribe to their belief system.
100% kind of messed up that I found that comical. Im sorry but I struggle with activism these days, its an actual joke. These people have never experienced true hardship in life.
@@robsonez I believe you and I agree with you!
Excellent example. 👍
@Sly News What about if a swastika is used in its original use as an "icon of divinity" by "ancient religions in various Eurasian cultures"?
Whose expertise or opinion gets selected to adjudicate on meaning?
At the end of the day, there is such a thing as "conscientious objection" which *is* a human right. So my advice to activists of any stripe is, if you want a cake to broadcast your political posture, *Learn to bake!*
The stupidity of this type of thing is being made normal by people not calling it out for what it is .
Imagine taking someone to court over a cake, talk about triggered.
Talk about standing up for what you believe in 👌🏿
Probably done because the same case happened over a gay wedding cake in the US.
That’s America for you, just look at their Mr McGoo President.
People in the west have it so good and don’t even know it. These lot should go to the Middle East and demand a gay cake - see what happens.
@@FlamingBasketballClub in what do they believe, forcing people to do something against their religion??
Common sense prevails, now the bakery should have all their court costs paid and owners be fully compensated for the waste of their time, by mr lee.
Mr Lee has CAKE on his face not egg.
@@carolevans5285 eggs in cake 🥚😁
Mr Lee has cake batter on his face. Usually.
@@rusosure7 I don't think that's cake batter, but it's "nut butter". 😆
Agreed
Mr Lee wants to force people to do something that don’t want to. Sounds like a 3 yr old throwing a tantrum to get his way.
what a waste of time this case was.
when the same laws won't be applied to muslim bakers then its a pointless law
You need to watch the segment again. You are way off.
@@Bushkaboo you need to learn to research the whole topic of discrimination claims around sexuality and services such as cakes...you're so way off, you're blur like sontong
With a similar case in America, various people rang up bakeries run by homosexuals, asking them to bake a cake that endorsed traditional marriage, and they declined. Funny, but nobody got upset over that. Clear double standards.
@@PJRayment it’s sickening really. The freak shows think they’re right.
The shop should sue that idiot for harassment he was a regular customer before all this started so they obviously had no problem with him.I wouldn't be surprised if he asked them to make the cake because he knew they were very religious 🙄 😒
Defamation.
I totally agree with your assessment. I think he was provocative. Have a look at my assessment of the gay cake ruling-let’s have a debate, so comment on my clip watch: th-cam.com/video/nKGBLtL0Joo/w-d-xo.html
Sounds about right..maybe Mr Lee did all of this to set them up
@@robsonez Desecration!
If they wanted the cake so badly they could've just tried to make it at home by following an online recipe for it, but now they had to start a court case because people wouldn't make the cake. The bakers in that bakery had every right to refuse to make the cake if it went against their own beliefs or whatnot. This goes to show that there will always be people in the world who think: "If I can't get my way, I'll do it my own way" or "If I can't have this, nobody else can have it."
And it's also discrimination against those that don't support gay marriage due to their religious beliefs.
No no, its only discrimination if youre not a leftist. Traditional values of western civilisation aren't very valued anymore.
EXACTLY!!
My gay friend is very funny, and hates marriage, period. He told me, “My parents divorced when I was ten then remarried then divorced again and I was their pawn in custody disputes. My sister and two brothers all had vicious divorces and custody battles so why would I do something so senseless as surrender my freedom to one of the worst institutions to inflict mankind?”
I’m gĀ, and would disagree. People don’t have to love you or even like you. I would stop trying to liked or loved. I would work and earn one’s respect. It goes miles longer in life. I would never put upon a Bakery to make a cake that’s unseemly, or out of line with their catalogue of prescribed cakes. Why not become a Baker yourself, and just see how hard it is from 3:am to 10:pm. I dare you. Also, I would make my own cake and perhaps do a jolly good job.
no it isnt cause i belive in straight marraige
the problem that a lot of people have here in Northern Ireland is that this was financed with government money, a government-run equal opportunity and discrimination commission who took up this case on this guy's beheath. so the guy had little to lose taking this case so far
And the baker that pays his taxes sees his tax money used to sue him into poverty while he has to pay his own legal bills.
@@cvn6555 the family who runs the bakery are very religious and they got donations to help with legal bills from other local religious people
Yes, that sounds to me like misuse of public funds. That's unfair for the business owners. Not sure if it's possible but if the commission wants to have a test case, they can fund both sides. I'm Christian and I hear many Christians are so worried about discussion Christianity or standing up for our values... I'm not sure why. May be I'm a bit thick, I don't actually care about what the others think.
At a meeting with the principal and other parents, it was mentioned some people wanted religious studies taken off our school time table. I objected to that right away. Some parents thanked me after saying they wanted to support me but they didn't know how to voice it... luckily a few parents got together and spoke to the principal later.
We already had 2 instances like this in 2021. The school had an optional religious studies ( one being Christianity values studies) for decades but it's always on the agenda to take it off now.
We need to fight for what we believe in. Otherwise the minority few who makes the loudest noise and most complaints wins.
@@steph4922 Correct Steph. Always amazes me how minorities due to their lobbying and media assistance get to rule over the majority on many social issues in supposedly democratic countries and no-one says boo. Yet if the majority wants something and a minority complains about it, WE are worst people because WE discriminate against minorities. Time for the majority to tell the minority we accept them but they do not get to write all the rules.
@@steph4922 Great idea but none of those committees or commissions will ever fund both sides. They are always filled with activists and ideologues that march in lockstep with the agenda. There is never any attempt at balance with these things.
Heck yes businesses have CHOICE👏🏼
This whole thing was a planned attack by person who tried to request the specific cake to be baked and decorated.
He wanted his ego stroked and the attention.
All this wonky woke stuff is staged and stooges are put out in the world to do specific things so the narrative of agendas get fullfilled using money from behind the scenes. That's my conspiracy theory. Whose money? Oh some rich assphuck traitors who conceal their identities and who aren't elected into high powerful offices.
There was a case in Canada where a trans guy wanted his junk Brazilian waxed so he goes to all these philipino spa's knowing they wouldn't do it (they only work on women) then took them all to court.... he lost
I believe that any privately owned business should be allowed to discriminate as the owner or staff see fit.
I say this not to promote or advocate hate etc but rather to support the notion that we should all be free to act as we see fit in business.
Whatever happened to the idea of "the management reserve the right to refuse admission" ?
A business might expect to lose custom and money if this happened but let the business run itself as the owners see fit.
I expect no interference in my private life as to whom I spend time with or befriend etc. My businesses is indeed my business.
Different rules should apply for public services etc, obviously.
As a business owner I can refuse any customers patronage.
It is the reason I give that could get me into trouble.
So I give no reason
The counterpoint to this argument is the situation that happened during the US civil rights era. Black people had legal equality (kinda) but certain geographical areas were able to drive them out and make travel difficult by denying all sorts of services (privately held ones like hotels, fuel, hardware stores, etc) on a town-wide basis. The courts made it illegal to refuse service to someone of a protected class _because_ of said class. And this kind of law exists in basically all Western countries.
The difference, in this case, is the message on the cake. Forcing a business to put a specific message on a cake is not the same thing as refusing service. Selling a generic wedding cake for gay marriage would likely be protected, though.
@nick bennett
If someone suspected you of denying customers based on something that is legally a protected class, they could rather easily prove (demonstrate beyond reasonable doubt) if you are doing that. Simply send a dozen customers, with half of them being of that class and record who you denied (or something along those lines). The fact that you weren't explicit in your reason for denying them would make little difference to the courts. At best, it's minor obfuscation that might let you hide your policy for a while.
@@slicedtoad Your 1st paragraph sounds ominously like Vakz'd vs nonVakz'd discrimination happening in our time! smh
@@slicedtoad If the cake bakers had just said " I would love to serve you but I have got too many orders to do anymore" would have been one of the ways to get out of it.
What you are saying is a targeted attack on peoples free speech/will.
As a Christian Baker they should have had the right to say I do not want to serve you because of their beliefs
I am still waiting for any of these special groups to go and visit a Muslim baker and demand they make a "gay cake" for them.
But no they have deliberitley targeted a Christian Baker.
Hmmmmm I wonder why
The argument then becomes that if your business is open to the public, it is a public service. The problem with this case is that both sides are discriminating against the other in different ways, so whose rights do you protect? In this particular case, the problem with siding with the gay guy is that you wouldn't just be encroaching on the business owner's beliefs, but you would be setting new precedent (the goal of these suits, really) that other businesses would be expected to adhere to. You would be encroaching on many people's rights, not just the customer's.
If I don't "like" a customer then I should be allowed to not serve that customer. Maybe the person is too finicky or too hard to deal with. There are so many reasons why the business owner should be able to decide who they do business with.
Basil Fawltey being a case in person???????
@@peterpiper482 Basil was fictitious, FFS.
If they won't make your cake, go somewhere else. Or make it yourself.
Or don't expect every single person on the planet to agree with your values and choices.
@Ms Bliss Yeah, he was being a drama queen.
Good let that be a lesson to that gay guy! Trying to force your beliefs on other people is quite wrong!
Ok what if he was much older and denied entry to reside in a Catholic run aged care nursing home?
@@petertullemans what if a vegan printing press refused to print eat meeting messages?
Don't split hairs, you can't force people to do what they don't want to do, freedom of choice I think its called.
@@petertullemans also is the guy a Catholic? A member of the local church community?
Your freedom isn't your right to mandate your choices on others! Wake up mate!
@@shaungillingham4689 Well said Shaun, this fella is a typical attention seeker.
Let's just hope that he now faces a rather large legal bill...
Oh im sure Soros will pay it.
Sounds like a typical ' Fruitcake '..................
A business that refuses service simply based on the appearance of a customer, is wrong.
A business that refuses to do a special job, based on the customer's wishes, has every right to do so.
Seriously, this guy could have ordered a standard cake, and would not have been refused. That is all that is required of the baker.
exactly. no Christian baker would refuse baking a cake for anyone.....but no one should be forced into doing something they dont morally support.
A business that refuses customer service based on vaccination status is unethical
Exactly. Just because someone has a body that looks like a male's body, he should be able to have babies. Monte Python brought up this unsavory discrimination many years ago. th-cam.com/video/4b6-oE55vdM/w-d-xo.html
I have no problem even with businesses refusing business based on the appearance of a customer. No shirt no shoes no services.
Approach it from an econ perspective. Every customer a business doesn't serve is a customer lost and places a financial cost on the business through lost profit and takes the business one step closer to their business closing. I want truly discriminatory businesses to end up where they belong, bankrupt failures. People that require them to bake the cake are protecting a discriminatory business.
@@FlamingBasketballClub it's not unethical, because they're trying to keep their staff and customers safe, thus it's in their right to prevent people entering who can cause harm to others.
I just hope he paid all the costs that the baker had to endure to defend himself, but that would be a fat chance.
I do hope so. I'm sick of people targeting businesses by weaponizing the justice system. The only person that wins is really lawyers.
Northern Ireland’s Equality Commission paid Lee’s £250,000 legal fees using public funds. The Christian Institute paid Ashers Bakery’s £200,000 legal fees. So the total cost of the case is almost half a million pounds. Their solicitors must be laughing all the way to the bank.
May God bless European Union' s Right Court. *Please* bring those policies to the rest of the world!
You are not given freedom by anybody's governmental or Judicial decision. You were *born free* and it's up to you to stay that way.
I'm glad that the court decided to not take on the case. But they declined it on the basis that the complainant hadn't pursued his case properly, not that he would not have had a valid case if he'd handled it differently. In other words, in different circumstances, the court might well have found in his favour.
@@PJRayment it saves them flak
It was the British court that threw it out. The European Court rightly said it was inadmissible and couldn’t be ruled on because it wasn’t appealed and pursued domestically first.
I would have baked my own cake by now what a flipping waste of money
That's gays for you, always creating a scene 😁
@gooble69
Very true
@@gooble69 Sad thing is that I know several gays, all of whom are very pleasant people, who are horrified by all this LGBTQXYZ nonsense. They feel it's making them look ridiculous!
@@MegaMesozoic
Well at least some have some common sense. The radicals are insane!
@@MegaMesozoic "They feel it's making them look ridiculous!"
It is. Just as the BLM morons are making regular black people look ridiculous.
This is the problem with liberals they don't really care what anyone else thinks, they are so convinced of their own beliefs that they are willing to burn the place to the ground to prove it.
For a start, they are homosexual, not gay, that word means bright, cheerful, happy. Next, in my opinion there is no such thing as homosexual marriage, it is something decreed by govt, therefore it is a civil union. I'm not religious, I certainly do not believe in some mysterious all powerful being, well, maybe Jimmy Page, given his otherworldly talent. But I do believe that marriage is between a man and a woman, and that is sacrosanct. As to the self absorbed arsewipe that caused this, he should have to pay all the bakers costs, punitive costs, and then be charged and put in gaol for creating a nuisance. Although given his bent he might welcome gaol! My opinions, I am completely within my rights to express them, and no person or platform has the right to deny this. I do not mean or set out to offend any person or group, I'm just fed up with minority self agrandising people and groups trying to manipulate and control the vast peaceful majority. My rant, I'm done
Mark you saved me from making the same comment, the same as the rainbow.
Agreed.
Gay used to be joy, but in the 1920's, homesexual men used the word, 'gay,' as their secret word to hook up with men in cruising scenes which probably were city streets, work places, and parks. This word stuck through the 20th century to mean men who have sex with men so it was strange for all of us kids even in the 1980's school music class to always be singing about being gay when we also knew we weren't happy and joyful either for lots of boys had anger and developmental issues going on due to diet lacking nutrion, funky family life, and fake propaganda narratives. The USA was way over branded and incredibly over stated for what it is, but we did have great power projection going on since WW2 that is now a thing of the past.
@kryzon daan glad to see you are gay.
Great points. It does my heart good to see people with common sense left. Thank you for giving me hope today :)
Apparently the bakery is doing quite well with all the local support 👍🏻
Their baps,sodas,buns and sausage rolls are the best of gear.
The reason for the ruling is they hadn't refused the customer, they refused to make the cake with that message. If they had refused to server the customer based on his sexual preference that would not be legal.
It is a simple concept which is you can't force anyone to publish something they don't wish to. It has little to do with refusing to serve someone, since they never did so.
The one who sued them was a regular to begin with. 🙃
Let's focus on the Important things like cake. 👍 never mind the coordinated attempt to subdue humanity worldwide.
Good point. It's crazy that the "news" is either largely propaganda, or just irrelevant distraction. It's become a joke, besides the murderous aspect.
"coordinated attempt to subdue humanity worldwide". please stop watching movies.
@@MrBadintentionss please wake up
Are you struggling to comprehend what the segment is about? It's not about a cake. It's about a decision made by the European Court of Human Rights.
@@MrBadintentionss if you think the original comment was fanciful, the only delusional person here is you.
No one should ever be forced to make a "gay cake".
Malicious prosecution, those who wanted the cake must be prosecuted and made to pay all costs.HOW dare these people impose their lifestyle on the rest of us, this is intimidation and the police must act.
Fun Fact:
Northern Ireland was the last English speaking western jurisdiction to not have SSM, until UK in 2019 forced Northern Ireland to legalize SSM.
Fun fact - That wasn't truly a fun fact and no one really cares. Nor do most people care that a couple of gay people wish to live their entire lives together peacefully. People kind of care that it undermines the foundation of marriage though and still do regardless of its legalisation.
@@robsonez
I understand that. I simply voted no on SSM in Australia back in 2017.
@@robsonez is a fun fact and you can't speak for us who agree.
And northern Ireland should have been absorbed into Ireland.
Finally common sense. You can’t make people do things they don’t want. Or can you?
The OBiden administration sure thinks they can. 🤔
Starts with a jab or 3 or until we unite and stand our ground.
2 weeks to flatten the curve, 700+ days later, I'm sure you know the answer to your question, YES, YES YOU CAN!
This whole story is premeditated, he chose that bakers for the attention it would bring.
The government should stop dictating private business owners what to do. The market competition is the best equalizer. Nothing stops the government from being a better service provider if they can. Just compare public and private schools: who provides better education? Compete, not dictate.
Government won't do that because they hate capitalism and free markets
[The government should stop dictating private business owners what to do] This is not how fascism works!
Cakes can now identify as something else? For flock sake.
It's about damn time.
6:22
No! It is not about being ‘miffed’ and having choices remaining to you - it is about recognising that conscientious objections exist and have validity and that the maintenance of principle is not personal - and in this case that for a Christian owner with a sacramental view of marriage founded in the institutes of the English or Roman Church the objection was reasonable as well as valid.
Yep. Great victory for true freedom of speech.
Where was Mr Lee getting the money to litigate so much?
The Equality Commission which is a government sponsored arms length body.......so as usual the tax payer gravy train will pick up the tab
@@Anna_weird I thought so....so basically his argument means nothing but he's had hundreds of thousands of dollars thrown at him in order to waste everyone's time. I should have been a lawyer
Don't try to force people to do things against their conscience! Freedom of conscience. Freedom of expression. Mr. Lee is free to express his opinions. So is the baker. The baker can't force Mr. Lee; Mr. Lee can't force the baker.
Imagine being so self-entitled that you can't get over a £36 cake and a No.
Right? The poor sap probably didn’t hear the “NO” word enough in his life
Finally some sanity
It’s completely different to not be allowed into a store for being unvaccinated. Compared to not making a cake with a certain slogan. That gay person was never kicked out of the bakery 👍 I haven’t been allowed in many places for a long time. That’s real discrimination…
Old enough to remember when they said, "we just want you to stay out of our bedrooms." To which we said, "Fine. Don't want to be there to begin with." These are tyrants, and they will not stop.
So true. They keep asking more and more
The reason Mr. Lee carried on seven years of litigation is he wasn’t paying for it. That’s the trouble with the legal system in the UK. People get legal aid for the pettiest of things, yet if you want to see your kids, you HAVE to pay for any legal representation. The world is fu@#ed! 🤬🤪
I'm from Northern Ireland and Mr Lee got his cake from another bakery in Belfast in 2014 but continued with the case anyway. Northern Ireland was the first Country in the UK to have Civil Partnerships which gave Gay people to same legal rights as Married people. It was Westminster (UK Conservative Government) brought in SSM against our NI Assembly in 2019 along with Abortions. By the way, Mr Lee walked past me in the street in Belfast about 4 years ago and I recognised his face from the Media.
Thank goodness a non-woke verdict! But that’s the LBGT crowd push, push, push.
Maybe time to push, push, push back?
Yes
They do it because they think they are about us and want to change everything to suit them?
Go bake your own cake! For God's sake!!
Or say: "OK I'll try somewhere else".
Mr Lee is a flaming Galah.
This guy will all the costs deserve his bill
If a baker is not willing not to do anything beyond their standard practise it is bakers right to refuse.
Go find another baker.
Here in the United States we had the same exact thing happened. This is probably where the people wanting the cake got the idea. Time frame is about right here in the states this was about seven or eight years ago and it took four or five years to get a decision.
First the state what is taking the business license away and then the gay people had won a large lawsuit against the bakery. Of course everything was appealed and I cannot remember if it was Colorado supreme Court or the supreme Court of the United States that said the baker had the right to refuse service on religious beliefs.
While all this was going on the baker and their family was receiving death threats had the windows at their shop broken out. When the religious right found out what was happening support for the Baker and his family turned everything around for them until the court made their ruling.
religious right found out . (SHOULD BE - WHEN many found out/ when liberty lovers FOUND OUT.) LIBERTARIANS , EVEN atheists supported him.
That was such a sad case. The baker & his family, who had every right to refuse, lost so much due to that law suit. The couple could have literally gone anywhere else and got the cake they wanted! I respect the baker so much for standing by his beliefs despite the very high cost not just to him but his family & employees. Private business have the right to refuse service!
@@Bambisgf77 the baker won though. But those legal fees though.
That was in Ireland, or should I say Belfast... so you mean Northern Ireland.
@Billybob Ireland They're two separate countries. Sorry, not sorry if your a Nationalist or whatever, but that's the case, no matter what your affiliations are.
@Billybob Ireland Our day will come, 🤣.
Oh ahh! This are the VERY IMPORTANT THINGS! Let's go Sky News! Let's go!
They just wanted to force their agenda through. What if the baker says they are discriminating against his beliefs and takes that to the courts?
It doesn’t matter to most people who is gay or a member of the minority lgbt+p++ organisation. But they are fed up of having their lives changed to suit them, or having their sexuality shoved down their throat.
Go to a gay bakers and ask for a cake that says ban gay marriage and then sue if they say no
Mocking the institution of traditional marriage with these lawsuits is no coincidence, and for the record, Masterpiece Cakeshop, the Colorado baker was perfectly willing to make them a blank cake just not decorate it. Also for the record, the attorney has a close relationship to the customers who filed suit in that case. These are targeted attacks on society. Of course, the fake news doesn't tell you that.
There is a abuse case in America where an ex girlfriend is letting her boyfriend do... All kinds of things to the daugther. The father is trying to get her back but - the nearly 50 year old female judge knows and is acquainted with the ex girlfriend.
7 years these poor people at the bakery had to deal with this utter bs.
*I hope all this hypocrisy ended up costing “Mr. Lee” more than he can afford to pay.*
If a place of business does something I don’t like I just go somewhere else. Good grief, do something more useful with 7 years of your life. 🙄
Yeah, but he did do something with his life those 7 years. It's the bakery that was at risk of being shut down via some huge fines. There is no law to fine that douchebag Lee for the same amount the bakery faced. So the true loser (time and money) is the Bakery.
Lee walks free - because he's so special.
Belfast is in Northern Ireland which is a part of the U.K.! … You Aussies ought to know that!
He's certainly playing with fire saying that...
He did correct it tho,don't go trying to sue him 😆
It wasn't just the money, the owner endured years of abuse from people and the press.
It seems to me that the most persecuted group of people on this earth are Christian bakers.
Best Orthodox Christmas Day present
Too bad US courts didn’t see a situation like this as “inadmissible.”
Indeed, if my memory serves me right, one US state had a very long legal battle over the same type of situation? Which I believe included the local school showing discontent for the bakery that did it, the bakery won in the end also, but not until after a length legal battle.
I'm glad that the European court of human rights didn't drag there feet.
I can now sleep peacefully
The real question is: would you really feel comfortable serving or eating a cake you had to sue someone who doesn’t like you to bake?
Given how cynical it is to take them to court over it? I'm sure they would love every bite.
*Boogers and cum moment*
Drove right past any Muslim bakers to go to their shop specifically.
I wonder if he would’ve also sued a Muslim bakery who also couldn’t in good conscience make that cake.
Very doubtful.
THATS A GREAT WIN. ❤❤❤❤❤ ABOUT TIME. I Also support Jesus in all I do. Jesus is #1.
I wouldn't have baked his damn cake either. Sick of these people and their total overreach.
Same
Thus case was a waste of time, just go to another bakery. How much public money was wasted because of this . This is discriminating against people who have a faith.
The bakers have a right to defend their faith, to the believer its no 1 in their lives.
Why don't they ask a Muslim banker to write " Pork is Delicious " ......or " Support Gay Marriage "
why pick on Christian bakers ?
Let's make it clear: the first amendment is not JUST about freedom of speech; it's also about freedom of religious beliefs. Here in the United States of America, "Congress shall make no law respecting an establishment of religion, or prohibiting the free exercise thereof; or abridging the freedom of speech, or of the press; or the right of the people peaceably to assemble, and to petition the Government for a redress of grievances." So report the fact, not half truths. That's the problems with some reporters, especially in the United States of America. By the way, Bert & Ernie slept in SEPARATE beds, not on each other the way the woke, nasty media is trying to push- the filthy agenda.
Question, is the cake in the thumbnail the actual cake they wanted made?
Nope. If it was then the bakery would have lost easily.
Good discussion on this one Cori.
I can refuse to serve any customer who i don't like to serve without telling him why.
So...we've had gay-cake cases in multiple countries at the same time? Was this on purpose? The same thing happened in the US...what's going on here? What's behind this, that there seems to keep being similar cases/movements in multiple countries?
Way to stand up for yourselves, good job guy's. Us christians don't hate homosexuals we want them to find Jesus Christ our lord and savior. It sucks that when us Christians say the truth to people, then all the sudden people say or this Christian is spreading hate. And that's not true. When god created us he created us, he created adam a male, then created female, its just that simple if u were born a boy then ur a boy, if u were born a girl your a girl, there is no in between, and we be standing here right now if god created male and male or female female
It’s so simple and so right. None of this complicated gender fluidity crap and alphabet people nonsense, it really doesn’t have to be that hard, as it’s been simple for centuries and has worked out beautifully so far.
Read your Bible . The Rainbow belongs to God.
boring fables
So true! The rainbow used to be a thing of beauty, I would very much like that back
Why be a provocateur ? if a Christian bakery doesn't want to bake your cake why don't you go to a bakery that will be willing to make your cake and happy for your business? Stop pushing your agenda on other people.
I am a white Christian. Am I not allowed my race my religious beliefs and culture?
Try forcing a Muslim baker to make that cake!
The crux of the matter is simply the verdict that it is the church's right to principles of their faith. It has been a long standing Christian "statute" for thousands of years (in fact "#institutionalized" for thousands of years) that they don't condone the statement that is to be on the cake. Just the statement but not the individual, he's fine! #faithbeliefstolerancepliz!!!
Seems like Mr. Lee wants all the attention his money can buy... The bakery should seek compensatory damages.
Go to a secular baker
Why the devil do these people think they can control us.
The gay/woke communists have made a huge mistake hahahahaha
There is nothing wrong with ‘discrimination’ per se. A job interview is about discriminating between the merit of the candidates and this is a just and proper thing. The issue is discriminating on an UNJUST basis. That is unjust discrimination. Screening people on vaccine status in a bar or restaurant during a global pandemic is just discrimination in the service of the common good. Disadvantaging someone on the basis of characteristics they have not chosen is unjust discrimination. It should be obvious.
In Victoria getting a job comes down to what's between your legs or should I say what's not between your legs. Merit has nothing to do with it
@@oldnutta7611 Crikey...
If I went into Muslim baker, and asked them to bake me a cake and then put bacon on it, they would have a religious reason as to not be able to do it. Quote rightly so based on their religious views. I am a born again Christian and would not bake a cake with anything against my beliefs.
Thank GOD, FREEDOM of speech should always be protected. If that business does not want your money, go elsewhere. Excellent point you made👏🏻👏🏾
“Support Gay marriage” now. Support intergenerational marriage and cross species de facto relationships in a decade.
I think the bakers should have done the job........then billed him for £5000..!!!..if the customer wouldn't pay then take him to court
Why is it everything "should" be gay now? Why is gay so pushed and celebrated? Who do you think are in charge?
They get more and more militant, how far ?
Good decision by the judges, this guy maliciously in my opinion choose that bakery to bring a case knowing they would refuse his request for this particular order.
I don’t shop at coles - sick and tired of looking at the’re little gay flags on there chest ...... since when does doing your grocery shopping have anything to do with putting up With leftie corporate agendas !!
after all the crap he gave the bakery they should have made his cake.
and then dare him to eat it.