as a pens fan...we are cooked. We have been for 3 years now, but all I can say is I've been blessed to see this core throughout my life so whatever happens, happens. We need to rebuild.
I remember a few years ago the talk was that Washington and Pittsburgh were both at the same point in their aging core/needing a rebuild. Today, there's clearly separation between the two teams.
i don't hate or like PIT but they had some good decades of success. most stanley cups since 1990-now with 5. since 1984 PIT has had lemieux and/or crosby on the team, except for 1997-2000. that's the luck of a field full of 4-leaf clovers. eventually every team has face the nasty credit card bill for the rebuild. tampa, edmonton, boston and the rangers will be meeting that fate in the not to distant future.
Penguins have been top or near the top tier basically my entire life. Gonna be strange seeing the team in the position Sharks, Hawks & others are in rn
@@johannespitkamaki1369Holtby has retired unfortunately. He was seen in September at training camp with the Caps & Kolzig which suggests that he may be taking on some form of goalie coach role, I don’t know? He really was a legend in the net for Washington for so many years!❤ Greatly missed!!
If there has been an obvious area of improvement in the forward group for the Caps, it's been the 3rd line. Lapierre and Sgarbossa haven't provided great answers there so far, so I'll take a rental of Eller to see if they can settle it down, especially for a 5th this year and a third two years from now.
Eller will slot in perfectly to the 3C position. That was honestly the only position that had significant weaknesses on the team. Plus he played on a line with Vrana for years previously.
@@harmangill7509 most of us with half a brain are well aware that we've been incredibly fortunate in the past 40 years or so. We've also been through a couple dark periods, but none as prolonged as the one we're entering now is probably going to be. I think a rebuild would be welcomed by most of the die hard fans.
@@HuggNiceman Ridiculous. Everyone always talks about "rebuild" like that is some sort of guarantee. Look at Edmonton. From 07-19 they have had TEN top ten draft picks including FOUR first overall. At one point I remember the infamous 25 under 25 the Hockey News did every year and 6 of the top 10 were Oilers. What have they won again? They are now the oldest team in the league. Time to "rebuild" right? Every team in the league wants to get younger and faster. No team is building their roster in a vacuum. Gonna trade one of the best players EVER for what? So fanboys can get erections about him "playin with his buddy Nate-dog"? I would rather continue to see some of the best players ever continue to play in Pittsburgh rather than gamble on picks and prospects.
@@pirtatejoeYou've got a lot of valid points here. I think the world "rebuild" has been thrown around so much that a lot of people online and in hockey media assume it has a specific definition and outcome, which it really doesn't. Most people expect it to be something like this: trade away valuable assets for draft capital > draft really good players and develop them quickly into NHL caliber players > develop a system with the new players and have success after a 2-4 year turnaround. In reality, that's the best case scenario. It's a completely unrealistic expectation for most franchises. Look at Buffalo. They've been rebuilding for close to a decade now. Rebuilds come in all shapes and sizes. I was merely trying to express that I think most passionate Pens fans would be okay with giving it a shot, given how lucky we've been in the recent past.
@@HuggNiceman I think this year, you keep Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Karlsson (yes, despite his current scapegoat status, his skill is undeniable), and either Rust or Rackell. Put together one great line. The Crosby/Malkin/Rackell line was working well. Then, I would get anything I could for anyone else. Deals just like what Dubas did for Guentzel. Some picks but mostly prospects. Then, give them all a chance to play and get a lottery pick this year. Figure out what you have next year and focus on the draft picks so that 2 years from now, for the final Crosby/Letang year, hopefully you can make a run. I think that is the best and most realistic scenario. Quite frankly, I think that is exactly what Dubas has been doing. I also think Sully is waaaayyy past his expiration date. Hire someone new to take the team in a different direction. I just think it's ridiculous to even consider trading someone like Crosby or Malkin/Letang at this point. You still have to sell those jerseys if you want to be able to spend to the cap.
one thing that's great for both PIT and crosby is that his contract is VERY tradable. $8.7m/AAV for what sid is still able to produce on the ice is a fair bargain. plus the attention he will attract, and tickets he will sell if he decides he wants to go to a contender. PIT in return should be able to get a decent haul back, again if sid wants out. so far he doesn't. his loyalty is going to be tested real good, the rest of this year and the next 2 seasons. especially if he is rotting away on a dogshit team while still producing at a competitive level at his age. selfishly i would love to see him go to COL as the 2C, team up with his nova scotia buddy mackinnon and go on a deep p-off run. and just to be clear, i'm not a COL fan or hater either.
There aren't many playoff teams with that type of cap space. Pittsburgh probably won't be able to trade any of their big contracts until the off-season. I still don't know how much interest there will be in the off-season, especially if the stars keep struggling this season.
Thanks for the video! If the Blackhawks really want to make sure Bedard doesn't look around in a couple years, they could try to take over Crosby's contract. 😆
As a Pens fan, i liked Eller, always played at 100 and was strong on the puck. Wish him all the best. This season will be interesting to see who they trade for picks and assets going forward, and what they get exactly in return.
@@kevinbadger8030 I grew up in Pittsburgh, I love the Penguins, and hockey in general. I hope the core sticks around, but whether they leave or retire as Penguins they aren't going to be around much longer. I been through this before when Jagr was traded when i was a little kid and the team was terrible for a while. Then you start getting excited about the new young players. It's a normal cycle. Besides, i used to watch a lot of Sabres games because i enjoyed Rick Jeanneret's play calling. So i think i can handle a rebuild.
Elder isn't great player. However, he's replacing a 32 year old career minor league player. It's an upgrade for the Caps. Cap hit 2.45m (really 1.65m since Srgabossa goes down).
As a penguins fan, I don't mind this trade at all. Eller wasn't essentially the problem with this team this year but he wasn't the solution either. To get two draft picks, one being a third and to free up 2.5 mill I believe, against the cap is big. I'm not in panic mode yet but, if they can make another trade or possibly two and improve the defense, things "could" turn around. But a rebuild is coming sooner rather than later. That's for sure.
People are talking about “loyalty”. But if Crosby decides to get traded, he’s helping himself AND the Pittsburgh Penguins. That’s a win-win for everyone.
Good point. At the same time hockey is not all just winning but entertainment. Even if the team sucks, if I were a Pens fan I'd still want to watch him skate. If they go the taredown-rebuild strategy, which takes a long time, why not use Crosby to be at league minimum? Crosby alone won't cheat you out of a lottery win.
With the amount of bad contracts on the books. Never is the outcome. Who is buying these contracts. Petterson, maybe (not a bad contract or the problem) DOC (same as Petterson) Rust? (Great addition if you have IR space)
@ Well it’s their previous GM who thinks that mid-30 veteran is gonna win them the Stanley Cup when everyone else knows that they’re not winning the cup.
@kevinwong1988 but now the best contracts they have are Petterson and DOC both under 30 in the final year. Not one player is outplaying let alone playing up to their contracts
Eller was old, it was fine to move on from him, but situations have changed. 3C in washington has probably been their worst position. And Eller looks fine on a pretty bad Penguins team. I honestly don't know if there's another player that fits the role. If Eller never played for the caps he might still have gotten traded for.
Love this for the Caps. Let Lapi play another year in Hershey, Eller can still play fairly well and is the missing piece for this team. It’s funny because when Caps got rid of him I was all for it, considering we wanted to get younger. But now I’m like, ya know what? Hes going to boost that third line. Vrana and Eller on the same line in 2024 is the most unexpected thing
Yeah it is odd, honestly I think Dubas is cooking up something with the cap space a draft assets he’s acquired. He promised Crosby they weren’t gonna tear it down when he signed, so I think something big is coming. Lord knows if it actually moves the needle 🤷♂️
It’s sad to picture “Syd the Kid” in a different uniform, but if he could win another Cup (or a couple more) elsewhere, I want that for him as a fan. I hope Dubois has the smarts to engineer a swift rebuild and a fresh wave of rising Penguin 🐧 stars will thrill us soon.
I remember a few years back hearing Malkin and Letang were gunna go elsewhere, but Sid convinced them to stay. Pretty sure Tanger wanted to go to Montreal.....so if any of the big 3 go anywhere my bets on Letang
Honestly, Crosby should leave. Firstly, he’ll have a real chance of winning, and secondly, it’ll definitely help The Penguins assets wise. They’ll get the best return on Crosby, no questions asked. Guys like Letang are worth nothing. Same with Malkin. And don’t even say Karlsson (Pittsburg would have to retain and or add a sweeter) to get rid of that contract.
I wouldn’t mind seein Beauvillier back with the Islanders, since that one small good stint with Vancouver it has been a very rocky time for him, got bounced around the league a lot, maybe he’ll find his game back once he goes back to NYI.
Would be fun/ surreal if another all time great was drafted by the pens when Sid left. One leaves our world, one enters it :D Team has had some great luck with legends…
Penguins are pushing ahead the inevitable They should be selling off rebuild or if want quicker rebuild target guys 20-23. Give fans something look forward to a new core. You'd still get picks/prospects for these guys. Bunting isnt going anywhere hes a Dubas guy. Makes me wonder if Marner(UFA),Robertson could go Pitt. Guys Dubas should target maybe a guy like Capobianco/Berggren AHL tweeners who could add value. Or prospects Svozil,Mesar,Lucius, or shed cap to sign a RFA offer sheet.
Thrilled to have Lars back. We needed forward depth and a better option at 3C. I have seen some Caps fans are not happy but at the end of the day his contract expires after this season. Hopefully the return of the Tiger is a foreshadowing for the return of Lord Stanley
I just don't understand why we don't try a coaching change before a fire sale here. We had all this bluster the past two years about contending and then we don't have to balls to make a semi-controversial (is it even that at this point) coaching change. I say we but I really mean Dubas
Because it's obvious to everyone that Scotty Bowman would not make this a playoff team. The next coach after Sullivan is doomed. Hold onto him for a bit so you don't end up paying 3 head coaches in 26-27.
The caps did what the pens should have done years ago got rid of the old guys whether It be with “long term injuries” or whatever built a good core in Hershey got all of of them experience playing together and moved them up while keeping 1 old guy the pens doubled and tripled down on old guys then quadrupled on it bringing in karlsson funny enough a bonified #1 center could be the thing that gets wsh over the top, could we see Crosby and ovi together for the back half of this season I doubt it I doubt pit sends him there but if any time makes sense this is it
If Dubas decides to rebuild this team I honestly think Letang and Malkin are the most likely to go. Jarry and Karlsson are currently untradable. Neither of them are playing well enough to justify their contracts, especially Karlsson. Jarry if I remember correctly also has a modified no trade clause so we're probably stuck with them.
Eller is good in the playoffs so it looks as if the Penguins are looking long term not for the playoffs. Of the four players mentioned Crosby would get the biggest return but I just don't see him moving. The defencemen could only be moved if Dubas threw in draft picks and/or retained salary. In my mind this makes Malkin the only one who may be able to be traded. I don't know him well enough to determine if he wants to chase another Cup or just stay and retire a Penguin.
Buy out Letang and let the clock run out on the other two. Salary retention slots need to be saved for the forwards who might bring a little more return. Certainly Geno would bring a good haul at half price.
Feel sorry for the core team in Pittsburgh They still are the best performing guys on the team but unfortunately it looks like it’s not going to happen for them to be contenders again So the rebuild/retooling around them is not working Tough decisions ahead but I anticipate a fire sale coming Just not clear what they can get for all those 35+ veterans with big contracts
A 3 and a high 5 is a pretty good return for an old checking center. It also opens up cap space for Dubas to pick up another cap dump. Not sure how you can objectively bust this trade from the Pittsburgh perspective.
@@y6cd3sdzHs1g easily. a 3rd and a 5th have an extremely low chance of becoming an nhl regular. if they do we are looking at 2029-30. right now the team needs stability, and defence, not draft picks and more chaos. an offensive defenceman needs to go btw eller was traded for a second in 2023, that's the right value, not a third.
Capitals sold at the deadline and made the playoffs. I bet if I'm a young, developing player it'd be pretty fun to play with Crosby when expectations are this low. Like all of their contracts are expiring over the next 2 years, they're starting to stack draft picks.. they look poised for a rebuild. edit: well they have a lot of vets locked up, but yk, no rebuild looks perfect
As a life long Pens fan the writing on the wall dried around May 7th 2018. The stars wanted to keep the band together...so they are together. Let them suffer w/ that decision. It's rumored in 2018 the Panthers were willing to trade Barkov for Malkin...straight up. That's what should've happened. We showed no interest in Trocheck...when he waited for the Pens. Imagine Crosby, Barkov, Trocheck down the center right now... I hope they don't win another game this season making it an easier decision for the stars to look elsewhere and get this rebuild going full steam. I'm grateful for all the amazing years of hockey these guys have given us, but all things must pass...and this thing passed 6 seasons ago and it's time to bury it in the ground. The corpse is stinking.
This isn't supposed to be a full on rebuild. Expiring contracts is one thing. Eller was on the block from day 1 of his final contract year (most likely last deadline), so don't act like this is the great sell off. I am guessing that the goalie situation and Sid was #1 this off-season, then adding pieces without term in hopes that they formed something that looks like a contender. There's only so much that you will bring in with that logic. Letang and Malkin should have been allowed to walk.
@@davidwhidden9337 It's not a small sample size. The Capitals management knows how to run a hockey team. You probably can't even figure out how to open a childproof bottle.
Don't love this move for the Caps. They don't need Eller. He was great for them in 2018. But he is not that player anymore. He's very likely taking a better player out of the lineup.
@@jayvardy 3C is the biggest need. Lappy badly needs more seasoning or to be tried on the wing and the only other guy who is somewhat legitimate as a 3C is Sgarbossa and that's pushing it. Giving up a 3rd and 5th is extremely low risk
Kinda sad to see, even though i don't cheer for them. Would be kinda wild though to see what the Pens get for returns if they do trade them, just off name recognition alone.
Why did the Caps trade for Eller again? It would be nice to see Tiger retire a Cap, but the Caps have other 3RD line centres looking for ice time. Pens get to recoup some picks and shave some cap space.
@@gabrielrockman agree, they get better depth on the third line with Eller. Plus he knows many of the “old” players that makes for a good chemistry. Maybe he can contribute on the power play which really needs to step up as the season goes along.
Penguins are gonna sell, their untradable core prevented them from retooling like the Caps did as instance. The Pens do not have enough players with good trade value to climb back, it had to come at some point after years of dominance from the Penguins!
They could have retooled, even with their untradable core. The Capitals retooled with Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, and Oshie being untradable. Pittsburgh could have focused on developing more young players and not doubled down on veterans (especially veterans with big contracts like Karlsson).
I don't think they can do anything to turn things around in Pittsburgh, until they get rid of Dubas. Trading Eller isn't going to do anything good for the Penguins, except give the illusion of them being managed and give their fans a dirty feeling by trading Eller to the Capitals.
As a Caps fan, really glad management made a move sooner rather than later but I wish they went for a long term solution. I wish they were more aggressive and had gotten a better player in their prime that would be a Center on this team for several years to come, even if it cost them a young piece like Lapierre. They now have a 35 year old Eller and a 34 year old Dowd as their bottom 6 centers. The team was doing well because they had gotten significantly younger. So in that respect it feels like a step backwards. I would have preferred a faster younger player with a more expensive price tag for sure to really make that 3rd line into a threat. Not sure Eller does anymore than stabilize it and stop the bleeding.
@jkliao6486 no doubt about it. I'm just disappointed that Washington is replacing a 23 year old with a 35 year old after spending the past 2 years trying to get younger and faster. I agree that a trade needed to be made, I just wanted to see them spend more and aim higher on getting a 26 or 27 year old that could be a long term solution there especially with Dowd's future undetermined.
@@stanleymtoney I don't expect Lapierre to stay in Washington. I think he's going to be sent back to Hershey soon to get more playing time. It will be Vrana - Eller-Mangiapane on that 3rd line.
Long dark times ahead for the pens. Dubas' track record shows he's arguably the worst GM in the league who can't help himself but go for the big shiny that the team doesn't need (Tavares in Toronto, Karlsson in Pittsburgh). Sure he makes it so that the team sells lots of merch (which makes owners happy), but he also tanks the team. I wish all you Pens fans out there good luck and stay strong!
I've been saying it for a few years. I really want Sid, Geno & Letang to all play somewhere else if they are gonna try and get one more cup before their careers end.
as a pens fan...we are cooked. We have been for 3 years now, but all I can say is I've been blessed to see this core throughout my life so whatever happens, happens. We need to rebuild.
I remember a few years ago the talk was that Washington and Pittsburgh were both at the same point in their aging core/needing a rebuild. Today, there's clearly separation between the two teams.
Couldn’t have said it better
@@mikeb.2925 Smart moves compared to pittsburg moves.
Can’t wait for you to jump ship like every Penguins “fan” does when they start to suck!
It hurts.. but I think any fan would take the 2 cups and getting to watch an all-time squad for 16 yrs
Hearing the words “Washington” and “contender” in the same sentence brought tears to my eyes
They should have to suffer for 10 years because of the Capfriendly shutdown.
Contender is thrown around way too much
@@jonah.donohuethat's exactly what a butt hurt penguins fan would say.
Stay classy Pittsburgh.
Stay classy.
dark days ahead for the pens
i don't hate or like PIT but they had some good decades of success. most stanley cups since 1990-now with 5.
since 1984 PIT has had lemieux and/or crosby on the team, except for 1997-2000. that's the luck of a field full of 4-leaf clovers.
eventually every team has face the nasty credit card bill for the rebuild. tampa, edmonton, boston and the rangers will be meeting that fate in the not to distant future.
Seriously dark.
Penguins have been top or near the top tier basically my entire life. Gonna be strange seeing the team in the position Sharks, Hawks & others are in rn
They begun last year..
They’re gonna have some years like the Avs did after their ‘03 cup. But probably even longer
Gives Caps a real 3C, which was easily their biggest need. He’s older but still playing well. Can help Lapierre get his game back too.
I'd like to see them try Lap on the 3rd line wing. Anything to get him some lineup time and get his form back. I still believe in him.
@@otto6702 worth a try. Takes the pressure of centring a line off him. Did wonders for CMac
@@otto6702Lapierre can't play wing
@@xlr0gd205 can't hurt to try. Much easier to convert a C to winger than vice versa
Caps' best faceoff guy ATM is Strome at 53.6% and Eller has been 56% this year. Should come in handy.
I mean...he scored the Cup winning goal for us so I'm happy to welcome Eller back. Sort of a weird trade, though.
Vrana came back, Lars is now back. Holtby goalie coach incoming? Feels like 2017-18 all over again, getting the band back together!
What happened to holtby? Did he die or sum
He took a year off that became two... He was at the Caps camp unofficially, and I haven't heard anything further.
DSP in the commentary team too
@@johannespitkamaki1369Holtby has retired unfortunately.
He was seen in September at training camp with the Caps & Kolzig which suggests that he may be taking on some form of goalie coach role, I don’t know?
He really was a legend in the net for Washington for so many years!❤ Greatly missed!!
@@nesssaja he was good goalie no doubt
Caps are locked in. The world is right... at least hockey wise
Welcome back, Stanley Cup-winning goal scorer Lars Eller.
It started with Eller in that double OT do-or-die game and ended with Eller in that 4-3 back and forth in game 5.
If there has been an obvious area of improvement in the forward group for the Caps, it's been the 3rd line. Lapierre and Sgarbossa haven't provided great answers there so far, so I'll take a rental of Eller to see if they can settle it down, especially for a 5th this year and a third two years from now.
Frees them up to try Lappy on the wing too
Those picks will likely not be very good players ever.
They will get McKenna or Dupont to build the new core around and to prevent relocation
Eller can't be worse than Lapierre/Sgarbossa no offence to Scar he's been serviceable but not a 3C. Plus it's a '18 cup winner returning.
Let's go! Tiger's back!
Eller will slot in perfectly to the 3C position. That was honestly the only position that had significant weaknesses on the team. Plus he played on a line with Vrana for years previously.
After 3 consecutive decades of back to back stanley cup finals, with 5 cup wins. Pittsburgh fans should be willing to rebuild.
@@harmangill7509 most of us with half a brain are well aware that we've been incredibly fortunate in the past 40 years or so. We've also been through a couple dark periods, but none as prolonged as the one we're entering now is probably going to be. I think a rebuild would be welcomed by most of the die hard fans.
@@HuggNiceman Ridiculous. Everyone always talks about "rebuild" like that is some sort of guarantee. Look at Edmonton. From 07-19 they have had TEN top ten draft picks including FOUR first overall. At one point I remember the infamous 25 under 25 the Hockey News did every year and 6 of the top 10 were Oilers. What have they won again? They are now the oldest team in the league. Time to "rebuild" right? Every team in the league wants to get younger and faster. No team is building their roster in a vacuum. Gonna trade one of the best players EVER for what? So fanboys can get erections about him "playin with his buddy Nate-dog"? I would rather continue to see some of the best players ever continue to play in Pittsburgh rather than gamble on picks and prospects.
They won’t. They’re not real fans and they’ll jump ship to a different contender
@@pirtatejoeYou've got a lot of valid points here. I think the world "rebuild" has been thrown around so much that a lot of people online and in hockey media assume it has a specific definition and outcome, which it really doesn't. Most people expect it to be something like this: trade away valuable assets for draft capital > draft really good players and develop them quickly into NHL caliber players > develop a system with the new players and have success after a 2-4 year turnaround. In reality, that's the best case scenario. It's a completely unrealistic expectation for most franchises. Look at Buffalo. They've been rebuilding for close to a decade now. Rebuilds come in all shapes and sizes. I was merely trying to express that I think most passionate Pens fans would be okay with giving it a shot, given how lucky we've been in the recent past.
@@HuggNiceman I think this year, you keep Crosby, Malkin, Letang, and Karlsson (yes, despite his current scapegoat status, his skill is undeniable), and either Rust or Rackell. Put together one great line. The Crosby/Malkin/Rackell line was working well. Then, I would get anything I could for anyone else. Deals just like what Dubas did for Guentzel. Some picks but mostly prospects. Then, give them all a chance to play and get a lottery pick this year. Figure out what you have next year and focus on the draft picks so that 2 years from now, for the final Crosby/Letang year, hopefully you can make a run. I think that is the best and most realistic scenario. Quite frankly, I think that is exactly what Dubas has been doing. I also think Sully is waaaayyy past his expiration date. Hire someone new to take the team in a different direction. I just think it's ridiculous to even consider trading someone like Crosby or Malkin/Letang at this point. You still have to sell those jerseys if you want to be able to spend to the cap.
He’s back
one thing that's great for both PIT and crosby is that his contract is VERY tradable. $8.7m/AAV for what sid is still able to produce on the ice is a fair bargain. plus the attention he will attract, and tickets he will sell if he decides he wants to go to a contender.
PIT in return should be able to get a decent haul back, again if sid wants out. so far he doesn't. his loyalty is going to be tested real good, the rest of this year and the next 2 seasons. especially if he is rotting away on a dogshit team while still producing at a competitive level at his age.
selfishly i would love to see him go to COL as the 2C, team up with his nova scotia buddy mackinnon and go on a deep p-off run.
and just to be clear, i'm not a COL fan or hater either.
There aren't many playoff teams with that type of cap space. Pittsburgh probably won't be able to trade any of their big contracts until the off-season. I still don't know how much interest there will be in the off-season, especially if the stars keep struggling this season.
Crosby should never ever leave the Penguins. But if he did, the only scenario where it would possibly make sense is if he went to Montreal.
There is a video of the Redwings alumni playing the cast of Shoresy on the Shoresy YT channel.
Thanks for the video! If the Blackhawks really want to make sure Bedard doesn't look around in a couple years, they could try to take over Crosby's contract. 😆
Crosby isn't taking that option.
@@kurtwpg Yet. I'd imagine the Wild might be able to make him a tempting offer.
As a Pens fan, i liked Eller, always played at 100 and was strong on the puck. Wish him all the best. This season will be interesting to see who they trade for picks and assets going forward, and what they get exactly in return.
You’ll jump ship when Crosby, Malkin, and Letang leave.
@@kevinbadger8030 I grew up in Pittsburgh, I love the Penguins, and hockey in general. I hope the core sticks around, but whether they leave or retire as Penguins they aren't going to be around much longer. I been through this before when Jagr was traded when i was a little kid and the team was terrible for a while. Then you start getting excited about the new young players. It's a normal cycle. Besides, i used to watch a lot of Sabres games because i enjoyed Rick Jeanneret's play calling. So i think i can handle a rebuild.
Well Eller scored that historic final goal in the Stanley cup final. Glad he's back
Elder isn't great player. However, he's replacing a 32 year old career minor league player. It's an upgrade for the Caps. Cap hit 2.45m (really 1.65m since Srgabossa goes down).
Great to have another player back in DC from when we won the cup. Nice move by the caps.
Crosby to Montreal for Demidov?
Rutger McGroarty to Anaheim for Trevor Zegras? RM plays with his buddy Cutter. Zegras is the Pens new #2C
Great 3rd center for the playoffs.
The 2018 team is slowly returning and i could not be happier, this season we gat both vrana and eller back, whos next, orlov?
As a penguins fan, I don't mind this trade at all. Eller wasn't essentially the problem with this team this year but he wasn't the solution either. To get two draft picks, one being a third and to free up 2.5 mill I believe, against the cap is big. I'm not in panic mode yet but, if they can make another trade or possibly two and improve the defense, things "could" turn around. But a rebuild is coming sooner rather than later. That's for sure.
People are talking about “loyalty”. But if Crosby decides to get traded, he’s helping himself AND the Pittsburgh Penguins. That’s a win-win for everyone.
Ironic because Penguins fans are not even loyal fans
Good point. At the same time hockey is not all just winning but entertainment. Even if the team sucks, if I were a Pens fan I'd still want to watch him skate. If they go the taredown-rebuild strategy, which takes a long time, why not use Crosby to be at league minimum? Crosby alone won't cheat you out of a lottery win.
@ Nah, you’d jump ship like every other penguins “fan” out there
Eller is back with the Caps baby!
Canucks looking to sign a third Pettersson
Crosby does not want to leave he already has his cups and he feels it is better for his brand to stay as a pen.
The Pens will have a lot of cap room for next season. Maybe they could make a last go for it before they blow it up.
The Pens should have started selling couple of years ago but better late than never.
With the amount of bad contracts on the books. Never is the outcome. Who is buying these contracts. Petterson, maybe (not a bad contract or the problem) DOC (same as Petterson) Rust? (Great addition if you have IR space)
@ Well it’s their previous GM who thinks that mid-30 veteran is gonna win them the Stanley Cup when everyone else knows that they’re not winning the cup.
@kevinwong1988 but now the best contracts they have are Petterson and DOC both under 30 in the final year. Not one player is outplaying let alone playing up to their contracts
It’ll be a great trade for the Caps once the injury bug inevitably hits.
Eller was old, it was fine to move on from him, but situations have changed. 3C in washington has probably been their worst position. And Eller looks fine on a pretty bad Penguins team. I honestly don't know if there's another player that fits the role. If Eller never played for the caps he might still have gotten traded for.
Agreed… Lapierre needs another season with the Bears
Well the Pens did say everyone whose name isn’t Crosby or Malkin are for trade.
Welcome back Lars! He's a hard-working guy with grit.
Interesting fact: Lars Eller had the game winning goal in the final game when Washington won the cup
Bring in DSP and Beagle, SCF inbound!!!
Love this for the Caps. Let Lapi play another year in Hershey, Eller can still play fairly well and is the missing piece for this team. It’s funny because when Caps got rid of him I was all for it, considering we wanted to get younger. But now I’m like, ya know what? Hes going to boost that third line. Vrana and Eller on the same line in 2024 is the most unexpected thing
This is a bit odd, especially with the 3rd round draft pick being a couple of years away in the 2027 draft.
Yeah it is odd, honestly I think Dubas is cooking up something with the cap space a draft assets he’s acquired.
He promised Crosby they weren’t gonna tear it down when he signed, so I think something big is coming.
Lord knows if it actually moves the needle 🤷♂️
They are probably assuming by that point that Washington will fall off so it’ll be a high 3rd.
what did i tell you about dubas in 2018 shannon? right. he'll go nowhere....we are on year 8 and the pens are tanking.
It’s sad to picture “Syd the Kid” in a different uniform, but if he could win another Cup (or a couple more) elsewhere, I want that for him as a fan. I hope Dubois has the smarts to engineer a swift rebuild and a fresh wave of rising Penguin 🐧 stars will thrill us soon.
I mean it’s about time, idk how they miss the playoffs twice and think yeah let’s get older
as a leafs fan dubas loved getting hustled in trades. the guy is clueless
One of the reasons is he relies far too much on analytics! I think if he can't do any right with the Pens, Dubas will never get another GM job.
I think this is a fair trade that benefits both teams. Dubas has made a lot of bad decisions, but I think this was a good decision by him.
Pittsburgh better hope they can get some good plays from all the picks their getting as they won't be getting maybe 1st rounders in the future.
I remember a few years back hearing Malkin and Letang were gunna go elsewhere, but Sid convinced them to stay. Pretty sure Tanger wanted to go to Montreal.....so if any of the big 3 go anywhere my bets on Letang
Tied together no longer
Pens should tank for Gavin McKenna next year by trading all. GM is Bedard's cousin. Let's go Pens.
Honestly, Crosby should leave. Firstly, he’ll have a real chance of winning, and secondly, it’ll definitely help The Penguins assets wise. They’ll get the best return on Crosby, no questions asked. Guys like Letang are worth nothing. Same with Malkin. And don’t even say Karlsson (Pittsburg would have to retain and or add a sweeter) to get rid of that contract.
I wouldn’t mind seein Beauvillier back with the Islanders, since that one small good stint with Vancouver it has been a very rocky time for him, got bounced around the league a lot, maybe he’ll find his game back once he goes back to NYI.
Would be fun/ surreal if another all time great was drafted by the pens when Sid left.
One leaves our world, one enters it :D
Team has had some great luck with legends…
The downward spiral started in 2017 when decided to keep Murray and throw away flower
Penguins are pushing ahead the inevitable
They should be selling off rebuild or if want quicker rebuild target guys 20-23. Give fans something look forward to a new core.
You'd still get picks/prospects for these guys.
Bunting isnt going anywhere hes a Dubas guy. Makes me wonder if Marner(UFA),Robertson could go Pitt.
Guys Dubas should target maybe a guy like Capobianco/Berggren AHL tweeners who could add value. Or prospects Svozil,Mesar,Lucius, or shed cap to sign a RFA offer sheet.
Thrilled to have Lars back. We needed forward depth and a better option at 3C. I have seen some Caps fans are not happy but at the end of the day his contract expires after this season. Hopefully the return of the Tiger is a foreshadowing for the return of Lord Stanley
I just don't understand why we don't try a coaching change before a fire sale here. We had all this bluster the past two years about contending and then we don't have to balls to make a semi-controversial (is it even that at this point) coaching change. I say we but I really mean Dubas
Because it's obvious to everyone that Scotty Bowman would not make this a playoff team. The next coach after Sullivan is doomed. Hold onto him for a bit so you don't end up paying 3 head coaches in 26-27.
Caps are 🔥 this season. Wish they had better uniforms
The caps did what the pens should have done years ago got rid of the old guys whether It be with “long term injuries” or whatever built a good core in Hershey got all of of them experience playing together and moved them up while keeping 1 old guy the pens doubled and tripled down on old guys then quadrupled on it bringing in karlsson funny enough a bonified #1 center could be the thing that gets wsh over the top, could we see Crosby and ovi together for the back half of this season I doubt it I doubt pit sends him there but if any time makes sense this is it
We're putting the band back together...
If Dubas decides to rebuild this team I honestly think Letang and Malkin are the most likely to go.
Jarry and Karlsson are currently untradable. Neither of them are playing well enough to justify their contracts, especially Karlsson. Jarry if I remember correctly also has a modified no trade clause so we're probably stuck with them.
Yes.
does Pittsburgh defenseman still want to go to playoff contender? trade to Florida or Tampa? other?
Eller is good in the playoffs so it looks as if the Penguins are looking long term not for the playoffs.
Of the four players mentioned Crosby would get the biggest return but I just don't see him moving. The defencemen could only be moved if Dubas threw in draft picks and/or retained salary. In my mind this makes Malkin the only one who may be able to be traded. I don't know him well enough to determine if he wants to chase another Cup or just stay and retire a Penguin.
Letang, Karlson and Jarry would be hard to trade.
2 offensive players pretending to be defensemen and a questionable goalie.
All 3 are expensive.
Buy out Letang and let the clock run out on the other two. Salary retention slots need to be saved for the forwards who might bring a little more return. Certainly Geno would bring a good haul at half price.
Feel sorry for the core team in Pittsburgh They still are the best performing guys on the team but unfortunately it looks like it’s not going to happen for them to be contenders again So the rebuild/retooling around them is not working Tough decisions ahead but I anticipate a fire sale coming Just not clear what they can get for all those 35+ veterans with big contracts
Wanted zegras bad but I'll take it
eller has 4 goals. solid guy. a third is a waste..... dubas loses most trades.
A 3 and a high 5 is a pretty good return for an old checking center. It also opens up cap space for Dubas to pick up another cap dump. Not sure how you can objectively bust this trade from the Pittsburgh perspective.
@@y6cd3sdzHs1g easily. a 3rd and a 5th have an extremely low chance of becoming an nhl regular. if they do we are looking at 2029-30.
right now the team needs stability, and defence, not draft picks and more chaos.
an offensive defenceman needs to go
btw eller was traded for a second in 2023, that's the right value, not a third.
They should trade Crosby to the caps
Send Crosby to Winnipeg 😮
Capitals sold at the deadline and made the playoffs. I bet if I'm a young, developing player it'd be pretty fun to play with Crosby when expectations are this low. Like all of their contracts are expiring over the next 2 years, they're starting to stack draft picks.. they look poised for a rebuild.
edit: well they have a lot of vets locked up, but yk, no rebuild looks perfect
As a life long Pens fan the writing on the wall dried around May 7th 2018. The stars wanted to keep the band together...so they are together. Let them suffer w/ that decision. It's rumored in 2018 the Panthers were willing to trade Barkov for Malkin...straight up. That's what should've happened. We showed no interest in Trocheck...when he waited for the Pens. Imagine Crosby, Barkov, Trocheck down the center right now... I hope they don't win another game this season making it an easier decision for the stars to look elsewhere and get this rebuild going full steam. I'm grateful for all the amazing years of hockey these guys have given us, but all things must pass...and this thing passed 6 seasons ago and it's time to bury it in the ground. The corpse is stinking.
This isn't supposed to be a full on rebuild. Expiring contracts is one thing. Eller was on the block from day 1 of his final contract year (most likely last deadline), so don't act like this is the great sell off. I am guessing that the goalie situation and Sid was #1 this off-season, then adding pieces without term in hopes that they formed something that looks like a contender. There's only so much that you will bring in with that logic. Letang and Malkin should have been allowed to walk.
I don't know why this trade happened. The Capitals as they are were clicking and playing great.
Eller WAS fantastic, but did the Capitals need him?
Yes, they do. They badly need a 3C to be an upgrade over Lapierre and Sgarbossa.
@gabrielrockman No, they really don't. It's still early in the season.
@@davidwhidden9337 Early in the season is irrelevant. They needed a 3C.
@@gabrielrockman Because all decisions should be made with small sample sizes right?
@@davidwhidden9337 It's not a small sample size. The Capitals management knows how to run a hockey team. You probably can't even figure out how to open a childproof bottle.
Don't love this move for the Caps. They don't need Eller. He was great for them in 2018. But he is not that player anymore.
He's very likely taking a better player out of the lineup.
@@jayvardy 3C is the biggest need. Lappy badly needs more seasoning or to be tried on the wing and the only other guy who is somewhat legitimate as a 3C is Sgarbossa and that's pushing it. Giving up a 3rd and 5th is extremely low risk
@@XaviRonaldo0 it's not a terrible move for depth. I just doubt that Eller has the legs or stamina for playoff hockey at this stage.
@jayvardy hopefully Ryan Leonard joins for the playoffs. Maybe he can C the 3rd line
@@XaviRonaldo0 - Leonard is a winger. He’s not going to play center.
@BK713 why does Elite Prospects list him as a C?
Kinda sad to see, even though i don't cheer for them.
Would be kinda wild though to see what the Pens get for returns if they do trade them, just off name recognition alone.
Why did the Caps trade for Eller again? It would be nice to see Tiger retire a Cap, but the Caps have other 3RD line centres looking for ice time. Pens get to recoup some picks and shave some cap space.
3C has been a question mark all season, Lappy struggling and Scarbs not viewed as a full-time NHLer apparently
Who is in the pipeline? Miro is a winger and so is just about every other forward prospect
Maybe they think Lappy and Scar need a little more time to cook in the AHL. But it might also be about prepping for a run.
@@Fatazz Sgarbossa is 32. What you see is what you get. Might be interesting to see how Lappy does on the wing.
@XaviRonaldo0 Fair enough. Maybe he would be fine on a team pushing for the playoffs, but maybe not a team trying to contend.
As a Caps fan love Eller but I think that was kind of a steep price to get him . Plus love our team so now who is odd man out?
Lapierre and Sgarbossa weren't cutting it at 3C, so Eller is getting the 3C job handed to him.
@@gabrielrockman agree, they get better depth on the third line with Eller. Plus he knows many of the “old” players that makes for a good chemistry. Maybe he can contribute on the power play which really needs to step up as the season goes along.
I'll take crosby thank you
Penguins are gonna sell, their untradable core prevented them from retooling like the Caps did as instance.
The Pens do not have enough players with good trade value to climb back, it had to come at some point after years of dominance from the Penguins!
They could have retooled, even with their untradable core. The Capitals retooled with Ovechkin, Backstrom, Carlson, and Oshie being untradable. Pittsburgh could have focused on developing more young players and not doubled down on veterans (especially veterans with big contracts like Karlsson).
Dubas gave Crosby a promise he’s not lived up to it and is attempting to live up to it but like everything Dubas has done(besides seller) he will fail
They need to
I think Karlsson is looking to move in that case. He has not won a cup yet.
Wherever Karlsson goes, ruin follows.
Malkin really might go
They should buy out Karlsson's contract, he's holding them back.
Why bother keeping Crosby?
At least my penguins got 3 more Stanley cups. They should be enough to keep me afloat as we sink into the abyss.
Just enjoy Sid while you can.
THIS is why Sid shouldn't have signed.
Crosby to the Avalanche next
I don't think they can do anything to turn things around in Pittsburgh, until they get rid of Dubas. Trading Eller isn't going to do anything good for the Penguins, except give the illusion of them being managed and give their fans a dirty feeling by trading Eller to the Capitals.
As a Caps fan, really glad management made a move sooner rather than later but I wish they went for a long term solution. I wish they were more aggressive and had gotten a better player in their prime that would be a Center on this team for several years to come, even if it cost them a young piece like Lapierre. They now have a 35 year old Eller and a 34 year old Dowd as their bottom 6 centers. The team was doing well because they had gotten significantly younger. So in that respect it feels like a step backwards. I would have preferred a faster younger player with a more expensive price tag for sure to really make that 3rd line into a threat. Not sure Eller does anymore than stabilize it and stop the bleeding.
I think this is completely about making a run.
Dowd is staying solid. Eller in center with Lappy on wing does sound promising.
I wonder if the coach is trying to make that 4th line magic recipe, surrounding a defensive C with 2 speedy winger to get the 200-ft game going
@jkliao6486 no doubt about it. I'm just disappointed that Washington is replacing a 23 year old with a 35 year old after spending the past 2 years trying to get younger and faster. I agree that a trade needed to be made, I just wanted to see them spend more and aim higher on getting a 26 or 27 year old that could be a long term solution there especially with Dowd's future undetermined.
@@stanleymtoney I don't expect Lapierre to stay in Washington. I think he's going to be sent back to Hershey soon to get more playing time. It will be Vrana - Eller-Mangiapane on that 3rd line.
2 points out of playoffs is odd to start selling
this is the piper being paid for back to back cups
Bet Crosby regrets re-signing now lmao
He can get traded to any team he wants. The return would be too big for any gm to say no.
Long dark times ahead for the pens. Dubas' track record shows he's arguably the worst GM in the league who can't help himself but go for the big shiny that the team doesn't need (Tavares in Toronto, Karlsson in Pittsburgh). Sure he makes it so that the team sells lots of merch (which makes owners happy), but he also tanks the team. I wish all you Pens fans out there good luck and stay strong!
F's in chat for the Pens
I've been saying it for a few years. I really want Sid, Geno & Letang to all play somewhere else if they are gonna try and get one more cup before their careers end.
It brings me so much joy to see the Pens on the decline.
Trade Jarry for a used pair of Nike's and trade EK for as many high value picks as possible.