If the owner of that boat reads this, all you had to do was motor forward with that midship line attached and you would have come in right along the dock. Just as pretty as you please.
It would be easier to just drive forward and use the line as a spring, it will bring the bota in and then just let it stay in gear which will keep it in place while putting on all the other lines.
We all have to learn somehow, either by making mistakes or watching other peoples! All he needed was to spend a little less on the boat and a little more on some training.
@@carbidegrd1 He is already tied midship, it doesn't work in a strong blow. Stern cleat and power up with helm hard starboard. Basically prop torque and line tension vs wind. I've docked single screw 55' hull no bow thruster in 30 knot blow like that. You got to have crew catch the bow line quick otherwise you'll bounce off.
Admiral Genius No, the boat wont come along side because wind is blowing starboard. He need to secure bowline, that is correct but then he has to do reverse to aproach stern.
I'm surprised at how many viewers are struggling to understand what is really happening in this situation... It is obvious that he is trying to get OFF of the dock. The line is too tight for him to loosen it from the boat's cleat while under tension. The line is the Fuel Dock's line and they don't want it cut - this also explains why they're not releasing it from the dock side. Perhaps view the full scope of the situation before you start captaining the cap'n.
Yes, indeed. But it is so much easier to just make fun of them... especially with their nice Oceanis 48 (that is most probably a charter boat). Now, it is true that they probably didn't attach the rope properly on the cleat (it seems hard to remove even when the boat is close enough to dock that it is not under tension) and that they should have removed this rope first or at least not last...
Most commentators didn't really understand the situation in the video, did they? But the main thing is to give good advice. I think: The skipper is trying to untie the rope after refilling the tank. The rope belongs to the fuel station and was caught under the MIDDLE-CLEAT of the vessel. The dock- hand can't do anything, the rope is spliced to the bollard. 😉 Question 1: How is it possible to jam the rope under the cleat? The rope is too thick for the small cleat. The skipper probably made a whole turn around the foot of the cleat. I suspect he used the OXO method. Question 2: How do you get out of this situation? The boat has to be moored again in order to relieve and release this jammed middle cleat. Question 3: What is the most elegant way to dock the boat in this situation? The boat already has a middle spring. 🤣 The skipper only has to put the engine in forward-gear and the vessel will dock itself with the middle-aft-spring. If the Wind is to strong use the bow-thruster to support the turning into the wind. Then attach a fore line and an aft line. Disengage the engine and thereby relieve the middle-spring. Now it should be possible to release the middle-spring again, don't you think? What do we learn from this? When using a cleat, make sure that you do not make a full turn around the base of the cleat. Especially if the line is too thick for the cleat. 🤣 Regards Btw: Gorden Lamp was totally wrong with his analysis! 🤣👎
I've docked there. It looks like Juan Carlos Marina in Valencia. The wind can be strong and the swell in the marina is an issue. In this case it seems to keep the boat from bouncing against the concrete dock.
In theory that would have done the trick, but it does require some helmsmanship. The midship spring will impart rotation under forward throttle (clockwise in this case), so you'd have to helm to leeward. It's a balancing act that can end with the bow drifting downwind, or smacking into the dock. A safer way, in my opinion, is to use a forward line, sprung aft. Helm hard to leeward, idle forward. The stern will walk itself in nicely with no drama.
The bloody Oceanus has a bow thruster! How could you eff that up? I have been handling single screw sailboats for over 50 years, and never did anything that stupid (well except the time I put a bow sprit through the gas dock office building! LOL)!
Reading the comments, it looks like most of you watched a different video. Lol. What I see, is that they are done getting fuel and are trying to leave but they can't get the midship line uncleated. They then attempted to take the load off the midship line by putting the stern line back on then finding it insufficient, they reinstalled the bow line giving enough slack to remove the midship line and give it back to the dock handler.
Correct. All they had to do was motor forward put the bowline on again. replace the mid-ship line with a slip let go the bow and easy the mid ship slip. Should have taken less than 1 minute.
Michael Sandor yeah I'm a truck driver well have years at it dint it anymore unless I have to.... But every time I tie a line it's tied so it can be untied even my shoelaces even when I tire shut the top of my trash bags that are going to the dump..... When you tie any line you always tie it so it! Be easily untied with little effort and with hand... The only exception is in climbing lines.... Those you tie so that no one else can untie them with you dangling from it lol.... That is done with knots that hold fast under compression and only release when the load is removed....
A few issues with this video: first, it's quite likely a breach of privacy (not even the boat's name blurred); second, instead of pointing the camera for 15mins the author could have gone down and see if he could help, no?; third, and this also goes to all the pundits down below, it's not made clear that the couple onboard is trying to LEAVE the dock and the white line belongs to the dock (not shown at the end, convenient cut), not to the boat
It looks like the video started after he got the gas and the problem is that he can't untie the knot at his cleat because he didn't tie it properly. The knot part is stated in the description. With wind that high, he should have done a couple of figure-8 wraps around the cleat before locking it. He probably locked the cleat knot without any figure-8 wraps and the pressure from the high wind made the knot "permanent". His lines are black the line that is locked is white so it probably belongs to the gas dock so he couldn't just cut it. They finally used the black lines to release the pressure on the white line to untie it. The video is edited so you don't get to see that critical moment which would have occurred between 6:52 and 6:53.
For anyone else in a similar situation, a few things to remember: 1. Never secure your stern line first. A sailboat can only move the stern, not the bow (except with bow thrusters, which normally aren't strong enough to fight any significant wind). If you secure your stern line, you can no longer steer the boat! 2. Never rely on bow thrusters. They're there for convenience. If you don't think you can safely dock without them, give serious thought about docking elsewhere. 3. Midship lines allow you to spin the boat with ease. Helm hard to port or starboard, burst of forward power, then idle reverse. 4. Always give the dock hands clear, direct, and confident instructions. Many of them have never helmed a large boat; don't assume they know what you're thinking. 5. Even in strong winds, a dockhand should be able to take slack by taking a turn on the cleat and pulling the line at 90 degrees, then taking up more slack. In this case, the best approach would be: Establish only the bow line by approaching the dock into the wind, perpendicular if need be. Instruct dockhand *not* to cleat immediately, and back away 1/4 boatlength. Have the dockhand take two turns around the cleat, but be prepared to release it or take slack. Helm hard to port. Forward slow against the bow line. Stern will move toward the dock. Dockhand cleats the forward line, moves aft and is thrown the stern line. Take slack and cleat. Take in the bow line. Presto!
They had a midship line, NOT a stern line. All they needed to do was motor forward. The dock line was on a bollard, seemingly with a loop, so the dock hand was pretty limited with what he could do. The second line-the black one- was stern line, then another black one for the bow. But these people were in over their heads. I'm 62 and these people looked older than me. They can't control this size of a boat. More money than skills or strength.
xxx-Actually the French are great sailors, from Mottessier, to Taberlay to currently Thomas Coville who just established a solo around the world record. So you're wrong...
They established a stern line around 4 minutes in; there's no way it could have helped them in those conditions. And, personally I would go with a bow spring aft rather than a midship for a couple reasons: 1. Much easier to establish under those conditions, unless you have a very long midship line. Approach into the wind, bow first, and have the bowman toss the line. If the line goes overboard, less chance of it fouling the prop. 2. The boat will tend to pivot around a midship line, and the bow can easily be blown to leeward. There's no way to correct that, short of powering hard against the spring line, which requires significant helmsmanship. With a forward line sprung aft, you can literally helm hard to leeward, and give short bursts of throttle. The bow is constrained, and the stern makes its way to windward. Nothing to screw up. Hopefully they were just new to this boat and overjudged their skill. We all start somewhere. :)
It's easy to grin when your ship comes in and you've got the stock market beat. But the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat.
I didn't read the comments until after I watched and I was wondering the same thing, am I missing something? Once he got the midships line to any of those huge cleats, it becomes a spring because he's got miles of empty dock space ahead, just motor forward right rudder if needed, keep forward idle or more throttle to keep the boat pressed to the dock and fenders until they place the bow and stern. Watching the guy on the dock trying to pull a 50 ft yacht to the dock in what looks like 25 knots off dock cross wind looks painful.
Wink Butz is almost right. It simply will never happen no matter how much power he puts on - the bows will always blow off. The simple solution would be to transfer the line to midships cleat, motor gently forwards probably with a little port helm on (in that wind he may not even need that) and he will land gently against the pontoon. The curious thing is that nobody seems to teach mooring single handed with a midships cleat. Actually I prefer to do it this way in all circumstances because, when you pass a bow line to that helpful person on the dock, you can virtually guarantee they will try to stop you with it and you end up with your stern swing out.
The boat is new the sailors are new i presume. All the keyboard sailors on here is amazing but he first time anyone tried to dock in heavy winds, can't tell from video about current, this is usually the outcome. The difference between sailors and wannabe sailors is what you take away from an experience and what you learned to change for next time. No damage to boat, everyone kept fingers and health so that is a good day
Not one person here has the idea (well I read one does), he is exited the gas pumps and spring line has too much pressure on it to release. He either has to dock again (release the spring line) and exit or I would just sacrifice the spring line by cutting it.
Sheesh... from the comments you'd think everyone has done this and done it well their first time at bat. Humanity is taking a moral ride down the toilet for sure.
Good video it happrns often in toutistic areas. I learned by experience too and did similar mistakes. Many rent such boats and are not such skilled and trained. This situation is safe as wind is coming from port.
Klein Watervalplaas exactly. the way to go. plan ahead. assess the wind situation. explain to the wifey your plan. send her to the bow and to throw the line when close enough. manouver the boat,
Looks like between 15 and 20 knots of wind. Shouldn’t be a big deal with 2 crew members and a dockhand. Dock my 36 on lake michigan all the time in these kind of conditions singlehanded with one dockhand assisting. Like someone else posted. Approach the dock headed at a 45 or better angle into the wind and instruct the dockhand to tie off the bow line (I keep it hanging on the lifeline so the dockhand can grab it), then you can back the boat up to the dock by reversing. The momentum of the turn into the dock will help swing the stern around.
1. Drive the boat at a 30-degree angle towards the dock, throw the spring line to the pier, which you then secure. Afterward, turn the rudder to starboard, and the stern will automatically dock. 2. When approaching from the other direction, this way, there won't be any issues with the mast when the wind is weak, as it tends to turn the boat downwind.
All he needed to do was to steam ahead on the forward spring and once alongside keep her in gear and the helm over to port slightly to keep her ass end in, then you can worry about putting the other mooring out. All the gear and know idea!
If he powers forward the boat will sit at the dock at ease .. he has a stern line already hooked up.. Then loop an another line and undo the stuck line ..
people with bow thrusters don't usually learn how to really steer their boat ... they tend to rely on the thruster and as one can see: sometimes they're not strong enough
I got my license in Austria and after the theoretical part I needed to do minimum 3 weeks practise on a sailing yacht and one more week on a schooling yacht to practise harbour manoevres, befor I had a two day examination to proof my skills.
It seems like a lot of experts have chimed in here. Curiously nobody has mentioned prop walk. That boat most likely backs to port, so the whole concept of tying the bow line and reversing wouldn't work, unless he was attempting to dock on the port side. it's no easy task in that heavy wind.
Could have been a lot worse, problem in my state (CA) and I suppose many others is this: if you can BUY a boat, you get to drive a boat, and I am starting to believe we must have some licensing. It's NOT hard, but you DO need to be taught. One thing for sure, once a line forward or aft is Pinned to the dock, you can motor the other end into position, providing the line is strong, and the cleats sound. I come up with the nose of the boat (in high wind), have a crewman step off and pin that nose to a cleat, now the boat IS under control, it's the reverse of using a spring line. At that point, the wind all by itself can push the back end of the boat one way or the other to dock and if the wind is blowing true to the direction of the boat, you can use the motor to bring her in. And notice this guy is at the END of the dock, with the rest of the dockage totally open. That's OK if the boat can swing safety to either the dock or the other dock at 90 degrees but it is often/usually better to start around the middle of an open dock, that way the boat can go either direction and ease up (bumpers out of course) to the open dock space.
Go and find a Dutchman they make great sailors, beleive me I work for a UK harbour patrol have seen it all. Needs a Bow line ashore, motor in slowly and use as a spring to pull the boat in. or Cut line and go in on the Windward side of the fuel pontoon let mother nature blow you on, this guy should not try to sail in such weather or go take a few RYA courses,
I think Gordon Lamb, several comments down, gave some good advice,,, and there are a half dozen more comments here that would work well. It goes for both docking and undocking, training and technique are priceless. What I have not seen here, and the very first thing I saw,,, what the heck is a low hours sailor, even leaving his slip for? He and she should certainly,, not maybe, have stayed in their slip or mooring, and sat back drinking. If it is blowing 20 to 25 in the harbor, there are 2 to 4 meter seas outside the jetty. It is obvious he and she would not be able to handle that. The real flaw is sailing on a clock. I have to be at work Monday. I have a dinner appointment. I paid for this vacation and I am going. ,,,, these are all really stupid things to think or say when facing that BIG BLUE WET THING out there,,, the OCEAN. You 'sail on the tide',, only and always. Your clock, your schedule is NOT the ocean's clock or schedule. To head out, or head home, if the weather or tide is not right is just the height of stupidity. Absolute, suicidal, hubris. Yes, I HAVE made that error,,,, and I'll not do it again ever.
Całkowicie niepoprawne. Cóz on mogł zrobic z tym 1 brestem???? Silnik odstawiony cyżby awaria? Ale i tak mozna było podac cume rufowa na poczatek potem dziobowa lub przeniesc brest i dociagnąc na sznurkach
W końcu tak zrobił ale co on siedział tyle czasu pod kadłubem???? No i zbieranie sznuków z kei jest niepoprawne a nawet niebiebezpiczne. Manewr niezalizczony. PAŁA!
not having seen the first attempts, I'm surious why no spring line was used. securing with a stern line in the wing, yeah not the best situation... almost as silly as coming in stern too when they should have come in prt side too ..head into the wind, but again not my sheet hanger
What the heck - once in this situation all he had to do was have crew throw another line to dock hand, tie off new line to bow and dock hand could have slowly pulled bow to dock incrementally with one wrap around the dock cleat.
Why on earth did they approach the station at this angle, stern in? the wind was strong on starboard pushing the bow away! They should have approached the station bow in on a 45 degree angle, secured the bow then the stern. The bow blows faster and easier in such winds.
It's apparent to me that some people have more money than brains (or boat handling skill)... wind off the beam really pushes the bow of most sailboats.
Some silly issues seen in this video. * with the mid line attached one could easily have applied ahead and rudder to turn the bows into the dock and tie the bows down. * tying the rear line to the transom spoilt it all as the rudder would then not turn the boat but would only tension the rear line without rotating the boat. * the use of the bow thruster was too late and not done with accuracy. * the bow line was released too early. Dare I go on............. I always thought that the size of the mind of people owning vessels could be proportional to the length of the yacht it handles, but maybe I am wrong! Still all is well that ends well, and one could learn from the experience but a preview of logic in boats would avoid many heartaches and expensive bills.
if it s to tied that means he made a wrong cleat knot. He seems pretty incompetent, just put back the boat along the dock with a front line and re do the exit again ^^ It took them so long to figure it ^^
That was painful to watch ! But the $64K question is, "why didn't the person filming go down and try to help the old man"? Jeez. Any sailor with 6 months sailing experience or less could've solve that problem. Wow.... SMH !
What a bunch of tosses , can't believe there are yachies like this , one docking line , through the lines away , drive the boat in a 360 circle and aim for the dock and hand the dock to the boat the land man bow and the skipper steps of and tethers the aft simple have done this every day of my life
Holy Cow!!! Rocket science?? Simple to throw a second line to that man on the dock, then walk the line forward and cleat it off on the bow. Dock man pulls the bow around and bingo....you are dock side.
That non-seaworthy owner was risking damage to a million-dollar yacht to save a $100 line. If you encounter this after foolishly fouling a cleat tie (and you don't have the skill to simply motor forward, as in this case), cut the line and go.
I'm relieved to see everyone else in the comments here was thinking the same thing as me...forward and let it swing over plus why even use the midship dock line use a stern line and slowly forward problem solved.
einfach in die erste Mittelleine ( Spring vorwärts eindampfen , Ruder auf Backbord legen und Heck ranziehen. Gas stehen lassen lassen Vor und Achterleine ausbringen Gas raus und Boot liegt
I think he is aground. The boat is behaving very odd. At times you can see it teetering AGAINST the wind. The whole purpose of tossing the black dock lines was to take tension off the white line which was knotted. You can also see that the wind does mot move the boat when the last line is slack.
If the owner of that boat reads this, all you had to do was motor forward with that midship line attached and you would have come in right along the dock. Just as pretty as you please.
It would be easier to just drive forward and use the line as a spring, it will bring the bota in and then just let it stay in gear which will keep it in place while putting on all the other lines.
True 🤣
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I have no clue of Spanish, but you are right. @@Fmacian59
So I have been there too. My first time I did not handle it well either, but learned. This is always a tricky operation.
We all have to learn somehow, either by making mistakes or watching other peoples! All he needed was to spend a little less on the boat and a little more on some training.
Agree
that was painful to watch
One line on a stern cleat, motor forward that will bring the bow closer to the dock where you can toss a second bow line.
No it won't. the line needs to be mid ship. Your "idea" will leave it sitting off to port at the bow.
@@carbidegrd1 He is already tied midship, it doesn't work in a strong blow. Stern cleat and power up with helm hard starboard. Basically prop torque and line tension vs wind. I've docked single screw 55' hull no bow thruster in 30 knot blow like that. You got to have crew catch the bow line quick otherwise you'll bounce off.
if he drives forwards with that first line secured, the boat will simply come alongside. the guy on the dock is worthless too
The correct answer
Admiral Genius No, the boat wont come along side because wind is blowing starboard. He need to secure bowline, that is correct but then he has to do reverse to aproach stern.
you're right admiral GeniusForward is enough
Michael Randolf where did you get that bit of information? It was not in the description.
The bow thruster is running from the start of the video! If the "Transmission" had failed how did he motor away at the end??
I'm surprised at how many viewers are struggling to understand what is really happening in this situation... It is obvious that he is trying to get OFF of the dock. The line is too tight for him to loosen it from the boat's cleat while under tension. The line is the Fuel Dock's line and they don't want it cut - this also explains why they're not releasing it from the dock side.
Perhaps view the full scope of the situation before you start captaining the cap'n.
Yes, indeed. But it is so much easier to just make fun of them... especially with their nice Oceanis 48 (that is most probably a charter boat). Now, it is true that they probably didn't attach the rope properly on the cleat (it seems hard to remove even when the boat is close enough to dock that it is not under tension) and that they should have removed this rope first or at least not last...
Ah - you are right. Thx! That´s the best explanation of this - otherwise absurd - situation :D
Most commentators didn't really understand the situation in the video, did they? But the main thing is to give good advice.
I think:
The skipper is trying to untie the rope after refilling the tank. The rope belongs to the fuel station and was caught under the MIDDLE-CLEAT of the vessel. The dock- hand can't do anything, the rope is spliced to the bollard. 😉
Question 1: How is it possible to jam the rope under the cleat?
The rope is too thick for the small cleat. The skipper probably made a whole turn around the foot of the cleat.
I suspect he used the OXO method.
Question 2: How do you get out of this situation?
The boat has to be moored again in order to relieve and release this jammed middle cleat.
Question 3: What is the most elegant way to dock the boat in this situation?
The boat already has a middle spring. 🤣 The skipper only has to put the engine in forward-gear and the vessel will dock itself with the middle-aft-spring. If the Wind is to strong use the bow-thruster to support the turning into the wind. Then attach a fore line and an aft line. Disengage the engine and thereby relieve the middle-spring.
Now it should be possible to release the middle-spring again, don't you think?
What do we learn from this?
When using a cleat, make sure that you do not make a full turn around the base of the cleat. Especially if the line is too thick for the cleat. 🤣
Regards
Btw: Gorden Lamp was totally wrong with his analysis! 🤣👎
I've docked there. It looks like Juan Carlos Marina in Valencia. The wind can be strong and the swell in the marina is an issue. In this case it seems to keep the boat from bouncing against the concrete dock.
Owner has more dollars than sense.
Funny enough it's a Bénéteau Sense
oceanis
I almost couldn’t watch this stupidity.
Edward Valov They are French!
simple drive forward with the first line attached - job done the boat wiil 100% pull int o key
That's perfectly right, John!
You would have thought the guy on the dock would have suggested that !
The man on the dock, hi just had a lovely laugh after they left. ;-)
Yep...more money than skill.
In theory that would have done the trick, but it does require some helmsmanship. The midship spring will impart rotation under forward throttle (clockwise in this case), so you'd have to helm to leeward. It's a balancing act that can end with the bow drifting downwind, or smacking into the dock.
A safer way, in my opinion, is to use a forward line, sprung aft. Helm hard to leeward, idle forward. The stern will walk itself in nicely with no drama.
Guys, give him a chance ! No one is close, Wind is strong, lots of gusts, everyone need practice... come on....
The bloody Oceanus has a bow thruster! How could you eff that up? I have been handling single screw sailboats for over 50 years, and never did anything that stupid (well except the time I put a bow sprit through the gas dock office building! LOL)!
That is too expensive a boat to have such a helpless, unknowledgeable crew. This whole episode was absurd to watch.
Reading the comments, it looks like most of you watched a different video. Lol. What I see, is that they are done getting fuel and are trying to leave but they can't get the midship line uncleated. They then attempted to take the load off the midship line by putting the stern line back on then finding it insufficient, they reinstalled the bow line giving enough slack to remove the midship line and give it back to the dock handler.
Correct. All they had to do was motor forward put the bowline on again. replace the mid-ship line with a slip let go the bow and easy the mid ship slip. Should have taken less than 1 minute.
Mike Holcomb how could you ever attach a line that you can't unhook.... Oh right lack of knowledge/common sense
Mike Holcomb i
Michael Sandor yeah I'm a truck driver well have years at it dint it anymore unless I have to.... But every time I tie a line it's tied so it can be untied even my shoelaces even when I tire shut the top of my trash bags that are going to the dump..... When you tie any line you always tie it so it! Be easily untied with little effort and with hand... The only exception is in climbing lines.... Those you tie so that no one else can untie them with you dangling from it lol.... That is done with knots that hold fast under compression and only release when the load is removed....
Never, NEVER tie mooring lines to a cleat or bollard with a knot!
A few issues with this video: first, it's quite likely a breach of privacy (not even the boat's name blurred); second, instead of pointing the camera for 15mins the author could have gone down and see if he could help, no?; third, and this also goes to all the pundits down below, it's not made clear that the couple onboard is trying to LEAVE the dock and the white line belongs to the dock (not shown at the end, convenient cut), not to the boat
Boat is equipped with how many winches?
It looks like the video started after he got the gas and the problem is that he can't untie the knot at his cleat because he didn't tie it properly. The knot part is stated in the description. With wind that high, he should have done a couple of figure-8 wraps around the cleat before locking it. He probably locked the cleat knot without any figure-8 wraps and the pressure from the high wind made the knot "permanent". His lines are black the line that is locked is white so it probably belongs to the gas dock so he couldn't just cut it. They finally used the black lines to release the pressure on the white line to untie it. The video is edited so you don't get to see that critical moment which would have occurred between 6:52 and 6:53.
How about reversing against the spring line??????
For anyone else in a similar situation, a few things to remember:
1. Never secure your stern line first. A sailboat can only move the stern, not the bow (except with bow thrusters, which normally aren't strong enough to fight any significant wind). If you secure your stern line, you can no longer steer the boat!
2. Never rely on bow thrusters. They're there for convenience. If you don't think you can safely dock without them, give serious thought about docking elsewhere.
3. Midship lines allow you to spin the boat with ease. Helm hard to port or starboard, burst of forward power, then idle reverse.
4. Always give the dock hands clear, direct, and confident instructions. Many of them have never helmed a large boat; don't assume they know what you're thinking.
5. Even in strong winds, a dockhand should be able to take slack by taking a turn on the cleat and pulling the line at 90 degrees, then taking up more slack.
In this case, the best approach would be:
Establish only the bow line by approaching the dock into the wind, perpendicular if need be. Instruct dockhand *not* to cleat immediately, and back away 1/4 boatlength. Have the dockhand take two turns around the cleat, but be prepared to release it or take slack. Helm hard to port. Forward slow against the bow line. Stern will move toward the dock. Dockhand cleats the forward line, moves aft and is thrown the stern line. Take slack and cleat. Take in the bow line. Presto!
I see what the problem is . . . there's a goddam Frenchman at the helm. They can't sail a rubber duck in a bathtub.
They had a midship line, NOT a stern line. All they needed to do was motor forward. The dock line was on a bollard, seemingly with a loop, so the dock hand was pretty limited with what he could do. The second line-the black one- was stern line, then another black one for the bow. But these people were in over their heads. I'm 62 and these people looked older than me. They can't control this size of a boat. More money than skills or strength.
xxx-Actually the French are great sailors, from Mottessier, to Taberlay to currently Thomas Coville who just established a solo around the world record. So you're wrong...
They established a stern line around 4 minutes in; there's no way it could have helped them in those conditions.
And, personally I would go with a bow spring aft rather than a midship for a couple reasons:
1. Much easier to establish under those conditions, unless you have a very long midship line. Approach into the wind, bow first, and have the bowman toss the line. If the line goes overboard, less chance of it fouling the prop.
2. The boat will tend to pivot around a midship line, and the bow can easily be blown to leeward. There's no way to correct that, short of powering hard against the spring line, which requires significant helmsmanship. With a forward line sprung aft, you can literally helm hard to leeward, and give short bursts of throttle. The bow is constrained, and the stern makes its way to windward. Nothing to screw up.
Hopefully they were just new to this boat and overjudged their skill. We all start somewhere. :)
Gordon Lamb I
It's easy to grin when your ship comes in and you've got the stock market beat. But the man worthwhile, is the man who can smile, when his shorts are too tight in the seat.
I didn't read the comments until after I watched and I was wondering the same thing, am I missing something? Once he got the midships line to any of those huge cleats, it becomes a spring because he's got miles of empty dock space ahead, just motor forward right rudder if needed, keep forward idle or more throttle to keep the boat pressed to the dock and fenders until they place the bow and stern. Watching the guy on the dock trying to pull a 50 ft yacht to the dock in what looks like 25 knots off dock cross wind looks painful.
Wink Butz is almost right. It simply will never happen no matter how much power he puts on - the bows will always blow off.
The simple solution would be to transfer the line to midships cleat, motor gently forwards probably with a little port helm on (in that wind he may not even need that) and he will land gently against the pontoon.
The curious thing is that nobody seems to teach mooring single handed with a midships cleat. Actually I prefer to do it this way in all circumstances because, when you pass a bow line to that helpful person on the dock, you can virtually guarantee they will try to stop you with it and you end up with your stern swing out.
The boat is new the sailors are new i presume. All the keyboard sailors on here is amazing but he first time anyone tried to dock in heavy winds, can't tell from video about current, this is usually the outcome. The difference between sailors and wannabe sailors is what you take away from an experience and what you learned to change for next time. No damage to boat, everyone kept fingers and health so that is a good day
was he coming or going
Not one person here has the idea (well I read one does), he is exited the gas pumps and spring line has too much pressure on it to release. He either has to dock again (release the spring line) and exit or I would just sacrifice the spring line by cutting it.
Sheesh... from the comments you'd think everyone has done this and done it well their first time at bat.
Humanity is taking a moral ride down the toilet for sure.
On 3:22 there is Superyacht A worth $323 million from Andrey Melnichenko on background.
the bow is loose ... what are they up 2?
Good video it happrns often in toutistic areas. I learned by experience too and did similar mistakes. Many rent such boats and are not such skilled and trained. This situation is safe as wind is coming from port.
Just in case they have the nerve to watch themselves and read the comments... Google 'Docking with Spring lines'!!
bowline around a bolder, slow forward with steering to port, done and dusted.. I sail solo on a 42', easy peasy..
Klein Watervalplaas exactly. the way to go. plan ahead. assess the wind situation. explain to the wifey your plan. send her to the bow and to throw the line when close enough. manouver the boat,
when you say steering to port, you mean steering to left side of the boat, or port/dock(which is right side)? sorry , eng is not my mother language
Turn the wheel all to starboard and let ingine go forward slow, then the boat will nice and elegant drift toward the pier...
Looks like between 15 and 20 knots of wind. Shouldn’t be a big deal with 2 crew members and a dockhand. Dock my 36 on lake michigan all the time in these kind of conditions singlehanded with one dockhand assisting. Like someone else posted. Approach the dock headed at a 45 or better angle into the wind and instruct the dockhand to tie off the bow line (I keep it hanging on the lifeline so the dockhand can grab it), then you can back the boat up to the dock by reversing. The momentum of the turn into the dock will help swing the stern around.
why would sailing boat need gas?
Wow. Painful. Why do they keep going below?
+BeeRich33 Same thing I'm wondering.
Went below to find the "How to Dock your Yacht" manual! :)
Probably checking keel bolts/bilge. I think it was aground at this point.
My bit: black stern line onto the last bollard, gear forward + bow truster. Such wide stern will turn her onto the pier and slack the white line.
Toss a fwd(aft leading) spring. Left full rudder, clutch in ahead. When the stern sticks the pier, pass the stern line.
1. Drive the boat at a 30-degree angle towards the dock, throw the spring line to the pier, which you then secure. Afterward, turn the rudder to starboard, and the stern will automatically dock.
2. When approaching from the other direction, this way, there won't be any issues with the mast when the wind is weak, as it tends to turn the boat downwind.
What happened between 06:50 and 06:55??
All he needed to do was to steam ahead on the forward spring and once alongside keep her in gear and the helm over to port slightly to keep her ass end in, then you can worry about putting the other mooring out.
All the gear and know idea!
That's who was driving the charter boat you just bought. :)
If he powers forward the boat will sit at the dock at ease .. he has a stern line already hooked up..
Then loop an another line and undo the stuck line ..
people with bow thrusters don't usually learn how to really steer their boat ... they tend to rely on the thruster and as one can see: sometimes they're not strong enough
so sad for my french friends! Little hint for the two persons: stay on earth, sea is to dangerous for you!
Are they still there? 😄
well, that's eight minutes of my life I'll never get back.
beautiful boat.
no idea howe to drive a boat. Pull forward with the spring
who did give him license? :)
Good question...
Do you need a licence in France to sail a 48' ?
No ! Here's the proof !
I got my license in Austria and after the theoretical part I needed to do minimum 3 weeks practise on a sailing yacht and one more week on a schooling yacht to practise harbour manoevres, befor I had a two day examination to proof my skills.
I went to the dentist yesterday and it was less painful than this!
Bernard Moitissier would turn in his grave.
It seems like a lot of experts have chimed in here. Curiously nobody has mentioned prop walk. That boat most likely backs to port, so the whole concept of tying the bow line and reversing wouldn't work, unless he was attempting to dock on the port side. it's no easy task in that heavy wind.
Could have been a lot worse, problem in my state (CA) and I suppose many others is this: if you can BUY a boat, you get to drive a boat, and I am starting to believe we must have some licensing. It's NOT hard, but you DO need to be taught. One thing for sure, once a line forward or aft is Pinned to the dock, you can motor the other end into position, providing the line is strong, and the cleats sound. I come up with the nose of the boat (in high wind), have a crewman step off and pin that nose to a cleat, now the boat IS under control, it's the reverse of using a spring line. At that point, the wind all by itself can push the back end of the boat one way or the other to dock and if the wind is blowing true to the direction of the boat, you can use the motor to bring her in. And notice this guy is at the END of the dock, with the rest of the dockage totally open. That's OK if the boat can swing safety to either the dock or the other dock at 90 degrees but it is often/usually better to start around the middle of an open dock, that way the boat can go either direction and ease up (bumpers out of course) to the open dock space.
Go and find a Dutchman they make great sailors, beleive me I work for a UK harbour patrol have seen it all. Needs a Bow line ashore, motor in slowly and use as a spring to pull the boat in. or Cut line and go in on the Windward side of the fuel pontoon let mother nature blow you on, this guy should not try to sail in such weather or go take a few RYA courses,
And with that Wind and a yacht you already have all the fuel in the world (silly Fuel).
I think Gordon Lamb, several comments down, gave some good advice,,, and there are a half dozen more comments here that would work well. It goes for both docking and undocking, training and technique are priceless.
What I have not seen here, and the very first thing I saw,,, what the heck is a low hours sailor, even leaving his slip for? He and she should certainly,, not maybe, have stayed in their slip or mooring, and sat back drinking. If it is blowing 20 to 25 in the harbor, there are 2 to 4 meter seas outside the jetty. It is obvious he and she would not be able to handle that.
The real flaw is sailing on a clock. I have to be at work Monday. I have a dinner appointment. I paid for this vacation and I am going. ,,,, these are all really stupid things to think or say when facing that BIG BLUE WET THING out there,,, the OCEAN.
You 'sail on the tide',, only and always. Your clock, your schedule is NOT the ocean's clock or schedule. To head out, or head home, if the weather or tide is not right is just the height of stupidity. Absolute, suicidal, hubris. Yes, I HAVE made that error,,,, and I'll not do it again ever.
Faut acheter quelques amarres, ou lancer plusieurs ammares ... quand on souhaite accoster ???
Video completamente inutile e noioso
People like this should buy an RV
Tie off a line forward and walk it back to the handler.
or just move the line to the center cleat and use it as a spring line, pop it in forward and done.
It is very simple to fix nose first, and after stern by revers.
Sell the thing and get a motorhome
Really nice boat
Rudder full starboard and slow forward should pull the boat against the quay. If he has a bow thruster, that will help.
het moet verboden worden dat dit soort lui met een boot op het water gaan, een klein klapje vooruit ende boot ligt tegen de kant
So wonder the beautiful sail boat was,nt crushed ......wow
This is a perfect example of what happens when all you have is MONEY.....neither a knowledge of, respect for or LOVE of the Sea.an Old Coastie
Kinda figured the cap would understand what wind can do. Gotta be a greener.
Go around, line up for a better approach. Better safe than damage your boat!
Drive straight forward to doc, secure bow line turn wheel hard to port engage engine forward, stern will come along side of dock, secure stern line..
Much too painful to watch, someone needs to learn how to use a spring line.
Całkowicie niepoprawne. Cóz on mogł zrobic z tym 1 brestem???? Silnik odstawiony cyżby awaria? Ale i tak mozna było podac cume rufowa na poczatek potem dziobowa lub przeniesc brest i dociagnąc na sznurkach
W końcu tak zrobił ale co on siedział tyle czasu pod kadłubem???? No i zbieranie sznuków z kei jest niepoprawne a nawet niebiebezpiczne. Manewr niezalizczony. PAŁA!
No i nie powinny to byźć szpringi ale cumy najpierw.
not having seen the first attempts, I'm surious why no spring line was used.
securing with a stern line in the wing, yeah not the best situation...
almost as silly as coming in stern too when they should have come in prt side too ..head into the wind, but again not my sheet hanger
Once again, a sail boat underway is a colisión in progress!
next stop, the super-yacht across the harbor........bwahahaha
The most finely tanned scalp I've ever seen.
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Wow.....
Money can't buy skills !
What the heck - once in this situation all he had to do was have crew throw another line to dock hand, tie off new line to bow and dock hand could have slowly pulled bow to dock incrementally with one wrap around the dock cleat.
Why on earth did they approach the station at this angle, stern in? the wind was strong on starboard pushing the bow away! They should have approached the station bow in on a 45 degree angle, secured the bow then the stern. The bow blows faster and easier in such winds.
It's apparent to me that some people have more money than brains (or boat handling skill)... wind off the beam really pushes the bow of most sailboats.
Some silly issues seen in this video.
* with the mid line attached one could easily have applied ahead and rudder to turn the bows into the dock and tie the bows down.
* tying the rear line to the transom spoilt it all as the rudder would then not turn the boat but would only tension the rear line without rotating the boat.
* the use of the bow thruster was too late and not done with accuracy.
* the bow line was released too early.
Dare I go on............. I always thought that the size of the mind of people owning vessels could be proportional to the length of the yacht it handles, but maybe I am wrong! Still all is well that ends well, and one could learn from the experience but a preview of logic in boats would avoid many heartaches and expensive bills.
The wind is pushing the bow off the dock. Walk that black line up to the bow cleat and pull the bow in. Duh!
if it s to tied that means he made a wrong cleat knot. He seems pretty incompetent, just put back the boat along the dock with a front line and re do the exit again ^^ It took them so long to figure it ^^
That was painful to watch ! But the $64K question is, "why didn't the person filming go down and try to help the old man"? Jeez. Any sailor with 6 months sailing experience or less could've solve that problem. Wow.... SMH !
What a bunch of tosses , can't believe there are yachies like this , one docking line , through the lines away , drive the boat in a 360 circle and aim for the dock and hand
the dock to the boat the land man bow and the skipper steps of and tethers the aft simple have done this every day of my life
Holy Cow!!! Rocket science?? Simple to throw a second line to that man on the dock, then walk the line forward and cleat it off on the bow. Dock man pulls the bow around and bingo....you are dock side.
This is so painful to watch...especially when she goes downstairs to get a jacket...
If you don't know how to handle this nice boat - give it to me. Watching this hurts.
That non-seaworthy owner was risking damage to a million-dollar yacht to save a $100 line. If you encounter this after foolishly fouling a cleat tie (and you don't have the skill to simply motor forward, as in this case), cut the line and go.
I'm relieved to see everyone else in the comments here was thinking the same thing as me...forward and let it swing over plus why even use the midship dock line use a stern line and slowly forward problem solved.
Liked the video to learn from - negative comments don't help
einfach in die erste Mittelleine ( Spring vorwärts eindampfen , Ruder auf Backbord legen und Heck ranziehen. Gas stehen lassen lassen Vor und Achterleine ausbringen Gas raus und Boot liegt
The French flag was prominent! But I suppose it could have been the Red Duster?
A good example of why you should never put a locking turn on a cleat..........
all the gear and no idea
did they ever get gas??
NO, he is still trying to dock
They had already taken on fuel. They were trying to get the mid ships dock line released.
Put the line on the bow. And now you use the motor to go forward. Done
He already gad a spring line on . Now turn wheel to starboard and back down. Bow will come around and hand Dock master bow line .
Best thing is the name of the boat is "Sauvage", French for "Wildman", yup thats right...
I think he is aground. The boat is behaving very odd. At times you can see it teetering AGAINST the wind. The whole purpose of tossing the black dock lines was to take tension off the white line which was knotted. You can also see that the wind does mot move the boat when the last line is slack.
aground? On a large dock fueling station? Man there must be like 20m deep at minimum!
Es lo que tiene hacer los nudos deprisa, despues son dificiles de deshacer.
marinoviejo El problema no es hacerlos deprisa, es hacerlos mal. ;)
look like it had bow thruster why not use it. and why would you throw a line from middle of the boat. should have done bow line first