I agree it is a good video but I know I would rather improve the suspension on the Velmobile than ride an open bike in the winter. I live in Canada and have experience with winters.
Early models of SAAB had same issue with wheelarches and snow, people north there just can't learn from their own mistakes :-D I can agree with your result, each of them has its own advantages and disadvantages and it strongly depends on conditions you ride. Unless you can be sure that roads are at least plowed, velomobile should stay home. On the other hand, you (for obvious reason) forgot about open frame trikes. With no wheelarches to collect snow and basically zero chance of falling they are pretty good for winter conditions. Actually, due to much wider steering agle, fun starts on icy roads and drifting through corners!
He'll ,yeah! Drifting at speed on the slippery stuff, sure is fun ! Once tried climbing a hill on my Pete Ross Trice, got so far , then suffered loss of traction,spun 270 Deg ,and ended up sliding broadside back down into the rest of my clubmates,on 'upwrongs', the air turned blue ,as well as frigid. Much fun ! We don't get a lot of snow in our corner of England. I also got a much better trike now, an Azub Tri -tris , looks built for the white stuff!
Haha, awesome video! I started shivering with cold on my sofa, had to start the fire in the fireplace... Br... :) though it's not Africa in my place, this very morning I looked through the window at the thermometer and seeing -25°C I murmured "that's a warm day today, I won't have to place the electric heater under the car for an hour before starting". The bike isn't for winter like ours...
Excellent. Especially loved how you managed a cooperation with John of Velo-Ads to combine both of my favorite velomobile channels into one promotional. Brilliant.
I used a tricycle lowered and placed the seat more to the rear to make it recumbent. That was my best solution to do shopping in winter. I could have used a suspension tricycle but good luck finding that for cheap.
Hello Saukki, Nice video again and nice co-up with velo-ads. The best winterbike would be an fat tire recumbent trike. I ride my recumbent trike in the winter most of the time. The quattrovelo is good, but I don't like it when the road is slippery. (Yesterday my brake cables where frozen from the trike, also not that good.)
@@Taoweiji Yes indeed. I thought the ICE Fat has 3 times 26inch tires. That is the easiest riding in snow. They are even used for an pole tour on bicycle.
In winter and snow and iced roads, I prefer a recumbent. When you go down, with the recumbent you don't hurt yourself. In snow i won't use my QV . But until know I have not had the chance to do it with the QV. So who knows.... always a nice challenge
QV was much much mach faster then Azub Max. You put 108watts for QV vs 174watts for AzubMax. Thats 74 watts!!! you got their 3.5 Minutes earlier with the QV. Also you should use Latextubes in winter because the air stay inside much longer 3-4 days with 40-406 size Tyres its more confortable. With Quatrovelo you can not slip and fall like with Azub. I think the finish goverment ist the problem for not cleaning the roads properly :D
Your videos make me glad to be in the UK with our lame ass winter. Recently we have had some strangely warm weather here and we have only had a couple of frosty mornings and no daytime temps below freezing that I can remember locally in the east of England (it's different in the North and Scotland). Right now we are deep in what I call the mud season, when my cycling tracks are covered in slippery mud and water that is sometimes very deep. It would be amazing to ride in the snow for a while and Finland is beautiful in the winter, but it looks like you can't go too far and punctures could equal death.
For Aussie winters I'd like a velo- my trike is fine now though, it's high 30's celsius lately here in South Australia but nice sea breezes in my town.
Hi Saukki. Have you ridden in Oulu? I've seen a couple videos about the winter biking in that Finnish city. The snow removal on the bike paths appears to be exceptional.
I have seen that ICE in UK had builded a fat trike to explore Antartic. Knowing that with e assist seems to me the obvious choice. As a retired i can't not afford such an expensive purchase. But it seems to me that if i could ......
Louis, Search classifieds for used trikes. Prices are higher than two years ago, but you can still find deals with hunting. I bought an ICE Sprint 26X, needed a new chain, chain tubes, shifter cables, and pedals! The price was worth it. TSDZ2 36V250W motor & battery is about $500. Currently, I am human-powered only but would like a 250W motor & burley trailer when I buy 40-pound bags of dog food. I use panniers for most shopping, car for bulky/heavy items.
@Saukki You should contact AZUB and ICE and ask them to lend you a fat trike each. Then you can make some winter trike ride content and comparisons. Of course, always go back to Voyager, ‘cause that is the Way.
I feel like velomobiles were made for Winter riding. All the grime and muck. + The protection from wind and cold. You stay warmer in a velo than any other bike due to the enclosed nature.
No different than upright bikes. On this particular recumbent you are sitting almost as high than on upright bike, sowind has almost similar effect. On low racer the effect is smaller, because there’s less wind near the ground.
@@TheVelomobileChannel Is it really THAT much slower? I mean, around here to keep it legal, e-assist should cut off itself at 25km/h and then it is just dead weight, so you have to be riding below 25 on your own to profit from it. Velo below 25km/h looks pretty weird itself :-D
In summer e-assist doesn’t make any sense. I never ride below 25 km/h. But in winter e-assist makes a lot of sense, because I mostly can’t reach 25 km/h, because of all the snow and ice and cold air and shit.
yep. But let me share my experiance with my Gekko of HP Velotechnik. I lose often the traktion on the rear wheel as soon as the road is frozen and there is a fresh snow on it. By driving uphill I lose the traktion on the rear wheel almoust surtain by road inclanation higher than 3-5%. What helps is the loading up of my back packs. Furthermore I use spiked tires in the winther, that helps a lot as well. I have this trike for over 10 years now. Never than les, I'm planning for couple of years now to do a much advanced winter refit for it - front wheels electroassist and rear wheal should be exchangable for simple tiltable axis without differential, but free running wheels. That should alow a ride in winter forest roads in mountain tarain. Any how, a ride for more than two hours in winter gets my feets frozen numb, no matter how hard I'm pedaling. So some kind of a wind protecting shell is more important then the refit, I think. One of the problems, that I've still to solve before constructing of this windcover is, like Saukki showed here - snow jamming the wheel wells. Simply to make the wheels open whilst keeping the wind-shell incloused is not that easy, because the stearing bar is actualy very conveniently under my butt, and the working zones of the steering bar and that of the wheels are overlaping. So maybe, as a part of the winter refit an adaptation of a steerting column would be necessary as well.
@@vaterchenfrost7481 as long as I'm riding on a clean, asphalted road I can get up any slope without wheel spin. It gets difficult when the road surface is muddy or covered in leaves. However I once had a bad accident on an upright racing bike when going up a steep slope and I rode over a manhole cover. The back tire spun and I fell badly.
th-cam.com/video/wSUryOf3bUE/w-d-xo.html Interesting is average power. 108W in Velomobile; 174W on Azub. Heart rate is the same when riding, I would have thought the Velomobile would have required higher power. Azub wheels are in line, only front-wheel packs snow. Velo has four wheels packing snow. I ran into the same issue in Germany in my BMW 318. Long straight Autobahn, I couldn't take the exit. wheels wouldn't turn, as wheel wells packed with snow/ice, missed exit! Slowly kept turning right-left (slow speed) to rub off enough snow so I could take the second exit to refuel. Fun times!
I didn’t have power meter on either of the bikes, so the power shown is Strava’s estimate. I wouldn’t trust that. Especially now when it’s winter and neither of the bikes were upright bike 😄
@@TheVelomobileChannel That makes sense! I bought a used ICE Trike that came with a Stages Power Meter! My biggest challenge now is keeping high cadence (I'm trying my best to keep from 95 to 105), which is not easy!
Yeah, it probably isn’t easy because you have too long cranks. Stages is crank based power meter, right? So it must be at least 165 mm long. On recumbent you most likely would want to use shorter cranks. Then it would be easier to keep the cadence higher as well.
An entertaining video Saukki and thanks for the invite also. Always a pleasure j.
You’re welcome. It was great. Thanks again 😄
Great video! I loved the Snoek/velo ads crossover in the middle.😄
4:50 "don't want to ride on the roads because you are too slow. bike paths are even worse, so I still ride on the roads". Aaaah, that rings the bell.
Haha, love the bit with John. I was thinking the same, here in New Zealand I can ride my DFxl all year round, no problem.
Great video. Very funny, well edited, and very instructive.
I'm in the market for a recumbent or velomobile, and I can't wait to try them myself.
I agree it is a good video but I know I would rather improve the suspension on the Velmobile than ride an open bike in the winter. I live in Canada and have experience with winters.
The recumbent looks stunning in orange
Happy New Year Saukki! I always look forward to your videos. Very informative. Thank you 😊
Early models of SAAB had same issue with wheelarches and snow, people north there just can't learn from their own mistakes :-D
I can agree with your result, each of them has its own advantages and disadvantages and it strongly depends on conditions you ride. Unless you can be sure that roads are at least plowed, velomobile should stay home.
On the other hand, you (for obvious reason) forgot about open frame trikes. With no wheelarches to collect snow and basically zero chance of falling they are pretty good for winter conditions. Actually, due to much wider steering agle, fun starts on icy roads and drifting through corners!
You might be right about trikes. Unfortunately I haven’t been able to test ride a trike in winter conditions 🤷♂️
He'll ,yeah! Drifting at speed on the slippery stuff, sure is fun ! Once tried climbing a hill on my Pete Ross Trice, got so far , then suffered loss of traction,spun 270 Deg ,and ended up sliding broadside back down into the rest of my clubmates,on 'upwrongs', the air turned blue ,as well as frigid.
Much fun !
We don't get a lot of snow in our corner of England.
I also got a much better trike now, an Azub Tri -tris , looks built for the white stuff!
Haha, awesome video! I started shivering with cold on my sofa, had to start the fire in the fireplace... Br... :) though it's not Africa in my place, this very morning I looked through the window at the thermometer and seeing -25°C I murmured "that's a warm day today, I won't have to place the electric heater under the car for an hour before starting". The bike isn't for winter like ours...
Excellent. Especially loved how you managed a cooperation with John of Velo-Ads to combine both of my favorite velomobile channels into one promotional. Brilliant.
Thanks :D
I used a tricycle lowered and placed the seat more to the rear to make it recumbent. That was my best solution to do shopping in winter. I could have used a suspension tricycle but good luck finding that for cheap.
Hello Saukki, Nice video again and nice co-up with velo-ads. The best winterbike would be an fat tire recumbent trike. I ride my recumbent trike in the winter most of the time. The quattrovelo is good, but I don't like it when the road is slippery. (Yesterday my brake cables where frozen from the trike, also not that good.)
Something like an AZUB Fat or ICE Fat trike.
@@Taoweiji Yes indeed. I thought the ICE Fat has 3 times 26inch tires. That is the easiest riding in snow. They are even used for an pole tour on bicycle.
I am surprised by your results. Thanks for sharing.
Hase Kettwiesel Kross with the rain cover accessory thing might be the ideal winter bike for those conditions.
Yeah, it actually might be 🤔
Top tips and a great video. Loved the collaboration with John. Thanks, Saukki!
Nice plug, Velo-Ads! Nice velomobile too, by the way. But in the Netherlands, we still prefer the quatrovelo. But then, I'm 1.94 meters
In winter and snow and iced roads, I prefer a recumbent. When you go down, with the recumbent you don't hurt yourself. In snow i won't use my QV . But until know I have not had the chance to do it with the QV. So who knows.... always a nice challenge
QV was much much mach faster then Azub Max. You put 108watts for QV vs 174watts for AzubMax. Thats 74 watts!!! you got their 3.5 Minutes earlier with the QV.
Also you should use Latextubes in winter because the air stay inside much longer 3-4 days with 40-406 size Tyres its more confortable. With Quatrovelo you can not slip and fall like with Azub.
I think the finish goverment ist the problem for not cleaning the roads properly :D
I didn’t have power meter on either of the bikes, so the power you saw was Strava’s estimate based on… I don’t know what 😄
Your videos make me glad to be in the UK with our lame ass winter. Recently we have had some strangely warm weather here and we have only had a couple of frosty mornings and no daytime temps below freezing that I can remember locally in the east of England (it's different in the North and Scotland). Right now we are deep in what I call the mud season, when my cycling tracks are covered in slippery mud and water that is sometimes very deep. It would be amazing to ride in the snow for a while and Finland is beautiful in the winter, but it looks like you can't go too far and punctures could equal death.
Great video once again and nice to get multiple options (on cycles and presenters!!!). Keep on rolling 😜
For Aussie winters I'd like a velo- my trike is fine now though, it's high 30's celsius lately here in South Australia but nice sea breezes in my town.
John Williams crushed it! LOL
Hi Saukki. Have you ridden in Oulu? I've seen a couple videos about the winter biking in that Finnish city. The snow removal on the bike paths appears to be exceptional.
No, I haven’t ridden in Oulu. But yeah, they do have one of the best winter maintenance in Oulu 😄
I have seen that ICE in UK had builded a fat trike to explore Antartic. Knowing that with e assist seems to me the obvious choice. As a retired i can't not afford such an expensive purchase. But it seems to me that if i could ......
Louis, Search classifieds for used trikes. Prices are higher than two years ago, but you can still find deals with hunting. I bought an ICE Sprint 26X, needed a new chain, chain tubes, shifter cables, and pedals! The price was worth it. TSDZ2 36V250W motor & battery is about $500. Currently, I am human-powered only but would like a 250W motor & burley trailer when I buy 40-pound bags of dog food. I use panniers for most shopping, car for bulky/heavy items.
@Saukki You should contact AZUB and ICE and ask them to lend you a fat trike each. Then you can make some winter trike ride content and comparisons. Of course, always go back to Voyager, ‘cause that is the Way.
That might be good idea 🤔
I feel like velomobiles were made for Winter riding.
All the grime and muck. + The protection from wind and cold.
You stay warmer in a velo than any other bike due to the enclosed nature.
please tell me, what lamp do you use? and what energy do you use?
how does the recumbant handle high winds or cross winds?
No different than upright bikes. On this particular recumbent you are sitting almost as high than on upright bike, sowind has almost similar effect. On low racer the effect is smaller, because there’s less wind near the ground.
fat bikes are awsme . I have two (one electric) and they are very comfy
I do cycle in Montreal at minus 20C
A quattrovelo with a ebike kit and heated wheel wells would be awesome
I have plans to mount e-assist kit to the Quattrovelo for the next winter. I’m sure it would make the Quattro more usable in winter 😄
@@TheVelomobileChannel Is it really THAT much slower? I mean, around here to keep it legal, e-assist should cut off itself at 25km/h and then it is just dead weight, so you have to be riding below 25 on your own to profit from it. Velo below 25km/h looks pretty weird itself :-D
In summer e-assist doesn’t make any sense. I never ride below 25 km/h. But in winter e-assist makes a lot of sense, because I mostly can’t reach 25 km/h, because of all the snow and ice and cold air and shit.
@@TheVelomobileChannel Fully agree. Personally I would remove it for the summer. A tsdz2 assists up to 42km/h on a regular bike for example.
Recumbent in the snow? I would certainly be more confident and faster on a cyclocross/gravelbike.
When it gets really slippy and cold I tend to ride the QV. It has much better traction than my HP Velotechnik trikes. And being warm is also nice :)
yep. But let me share my experiance with my Gekko of HP Velotechnik. I lose often the traktion on the rear wheel as soon as the road is frozen and there is a fresh snow on it. By driving uphill I lose the traktion on the rear wheel almoust surtain by road inclanation higher than 3-5%. What helps is the loading up of my back packs. Furthermore I use spiked tires in the winther, that helps a lot as well. I have this trike for over 10 years now. Never than les, I'm planning for couple of years now to do a much advanced winter refit for it - front wheels electroassist and rear wheal should be exchangable for simple tiltable axis without differential, but free running wheels. That should alow a ride in winter forest roads in mountain tarain. Any how, a ride for more than two hours in winter gets my feets frozen numb, no matter how hard I'm pedaling. So some kind of a wind protecting shell is more important then the refit, I think. One of the problems, that I've still to solve before constructing of this windcover is, like Saukki showed here - snow jamming the wheel wells. Simply to make the wheels open whilst keeping the wind-shell incloused is not that easy, because the stearing bar is actualy very conveniently under my butt, and the working zones of the steering bar and that of the wheels are overlaping. So maybe, as a part of the winter refit an adaptation of a steerting column would be necessary as well.
@@vaterchenfrost7481 as long as I'm riding on a clean, asphalted road I can get up any slope without wheel spin. It gets difficult when the road surface is muddy or covered in leaves.
However I once had a bad accident on an upright racing bike when going up a steep slope and I rode over a manhole cover. The back tire spun and I fell badly.
Add a pedal assist it worth the price
I have plans to mount e-assist kit to the Quattrovelo for the next winter. I’m sure it would make the Quattro more usable in winter 😄
th-cam.com/video/wSUryOf3bUE/w-d-xo.html Interesting is average power. 108W in Velomobile; 174W on Azub. Heart rate is the same when riding, I would have thought the Velomobile would have required higher power. Azub wheels are in line, only front-wheel packs snow. Velo has four wheels packing snow.
I ran into the same issue in Germany in my BMW 318. Long straight Autobahn, I couldn't take the exit. wheels wouldn't turn, as wheel wells packed with snow/ice, missed exit! Slowly kept turning right-left (slow speed) to rub off enough snow so I could take the second exit to refuel. Fun times!
I didn’t have power meter on either of the bikes, so the power shown is Strava’s estimate. I wouldn’t trust that. Especially now when it’s winter and neither of the bikes were upright bike 😄
@@TheVelomobileChannel That makes sense! I bought a used ICE Trike that came with a Stages Power Meter! My biggest challenge now is keeping high cadence (I'm trying my best to keep from 95 to 105), which is not easy!
Yeah, it probably isn’t easy because you have too long cranks. Stages is crank based power meter, right? So it must be at least 165 mm long. On recumbent you most likely would want to use shorter cranks. Then it would be easier to keep the cadence higher as well.
You need a laser frontlight, that melts the snow in front of you😂