@@connectronbuilds9960 even if you use an NVME you will still be limited and locked to the max speed of 560MB/s which may still not be enough in Q0 or 3:1 and it not guaranteed that you will meet the maximum throughput.
I totally agree. Luckily I had a bunch of CFast 2.0 cards from my 1DX when I bought the BMPCC6K. Personally I never had any issue with my t5 but there is always the risk of potentially loosing footage.
Noticed you mentioned the T7 would not be recommended. Just wanted update you and the community, I’m using the Samsung T7 with the BMPCC 6K PRO and works perfectly, with all modes. Seems the T7 is also faster than the T5s
I had only Problems with CFast so far with a Pocket 6K G1 ... The Samsung T5 512GB we used once with 4 Cameras for a long interview and there was no file missing in the end and they work very well (T7 are not recommended from BM as you told in the Video). SD Cards worked as well very good but I use it more for Private or Testing stuff.
Now I bought an internal Samsung 970 Evo Plus and a plugable USB 3 gen 2 NVME enclosure and I get infinite time at full USB speed, and sustained 1.6GBytes per second over Thunderbolt
The crucial x8 holds up fine on the constant or bitrate. Your opinion isn’t fact. I would share only what you know to be fact to not mislead others. Try the blackmagic speed test to gain a better understanding of ssd.
I have a BMCC 6K (G1) and plan to mainly shoot around 6K BRAW (24fps) and BRAW 4K (24fps). My budget is around $200, so what is the optimal choice for me? I don't want to run into any issues with speed or memory. I don't plan on getting anything higher than 1TB.
Lol I recommend you a BMPCC 4K just 10 min ago.on a old video of yours. Didn't know you owned both of those 😂😂 Makes me feel like fool. I like BMPCC 4K A Lot. I wish they Officially Sold in India
@@mrvk699 Vishal, please check imastudent out. They are the official online dealers for blackmagic. Blackmagic has been available all over India forever.
Can you name the brand and spec’s of your recommended usb c cable? the link is unclear. PS in Europe there’s are still some Samsung 1T SSD’s to be found…for now.
How do I find the original Samsung T5 cable for my Camera ? I can’t seem to find one without buying a new SSD. My DockAse is not letting me Record 4K 60
I have to disagree with 80% of the info here...no disrespect...having worked with BMPCC 4k from the beginning in the professional world, The Samsung t5 500gb, has worked fine, at all frame and bit rates. Angel Bird is way overpriced and again in a professional setting...I have yet to spend more for an SD card than I spend on my C-fast or SSD drive. These are my thoughts and my experiences. Anyway, continue to research, and learn. Kudos to the channel
May I ask what are your longest record times? All of my various ssd's can record for short periods but not past about 25 minutes. I will pull an older T5 500tb in the next few days to do my own tests with it. Just finished two theater archive videos with long record times and had issues. The T5 i usually save for handheld work. Thinking about trying NVMe stick next. Thanks!
Thank you for explaining everything about storage on bmpcc6k! I have one and I am using the ssd option and I just got one great sd ( Sony tough series). I was wondering how you surpassed the problem of the battery? What external supply are you using?
I use a Fxlion Nano a smaller Version of the the V-Mount Batteries with D-Tap to BMPCC Energy Input. There are different Possibilities to atach it via Smallrig Pieces (v-Mount Bracket) if you also have the Smallrig Case for the BMPCC.
So, there is no solution to shoot at the highest quality and highest frame rate without dropping frames or having the card just stop? - I do like Angelbird cards but they are usually pricey... maybe that XT version would be the best?
Honestly - I love the Bmcc6kpro so much for what it is but I'm also super disappointed with the fact that even external SSD's lose data. Hasn't happened much to me but it has happened overall even with a Samsun T7 2TB which should be double the t5's reading and writing speed. Also the inaccuracy of the battery data (telling you it has way more than it really has and then turning off on you mid shoot). Super disappointing. For me, getting an Angel CF card is like $1000. It's crazy
I watched a YT vid recently that pointed out that the BMPCC6K Pro is a true cinema camera, but is often compared to DSLR's. They went on to explain that a true cinema camera should be expected to require a full rig i.e. Vmounts, monitor, the whole kit and kaboodle. It was a pretty convincing argument against it's downsides. Especially considering the price point and numerous features. The thing that really ticks me off is the short approved media list. A T7 should be ampol and an NVME drive should be best drive for the device.
It will not work, hubs split the bandwidth. I have tested with a USB SSD and 100mb Ethernet and they both show up in camera, but the camera IMMEDIATELY drops frames even at 4k 12:1
Thank you for this video. I'm currently looking into storage options for the 4K and the 6K. When looking at the speed of all of the options, I'm curious to see if the XT even supports 6K 50p Q0. Are you able to try it out? 30p 6K Q0 chews into 242 to 483 MB/s. The maximum write speed of the Angelbird CFAST XT is 480?. Does this mean it can't handle a super complex shot in 50p Q0? If so, what does? The T5 is also limited to around 540(transfer. Don't know what the write speed actually is) if I remember correctly. Maybe other drives are faster but f.ex. the T7 hacks its speed with a buffer so it can't shoot video. Its speed is advertised as sequential write at 1000MB/s which makes it unusable for the BMPCC. Do we have to rely on an external recording to record super complex shots with Q0 in 50p 6K? thanks, M
Hi Damien, just found you on a random search. Thank you. I just subscribed. So, just to be clear (I'm new at this bmpcc 6K); so using a SDXC 256gb V90 Class 10, I'm able to film in Blackmagic Raw at not only 3:1, but also 5:1, or 8:1... in 24fps or 30fps? AND: if using ProRes 422/or HQ, I should be good to go with 24p and 30p? Again just making sure. I prefer the SDXC over CF for now however, I'm looking into the CFast cards too. The BMPCC6K I'm referring to isn't mine, I'm being asked to run it for someone for a few hours. I appreciate this video and your help. Thank you, -Michael
I fou look up on the BM Web Page you will find the Speed you have to use for certain Formats and so on. Since 3:1 is better/higher rates (Blackmagic RAW 3:1 - 323 MB/s - 6K - 30frs) than 5:1 or 8:1 its possible. The 422HQ with 4K is possible with an SD Card Write Speed ofe 422HQ with 4K is possible with an SD Card Write Speed of 120MB/s. This speeds are made up with 30frs. The card will be expensive and just make sure to have a v90 card.
Hi bro, any suggestions you can give us for your desktop/laptop setup for editing? Ive only got the iPad Pro (with Lumafusion), EOS R and Atomos Ninja V. Unfortunately iPad Pro and Lumafusion do not support ProRes or DNxHR codecs (4K 10bit 4.2.2 CLOG) I can edit 4K/1080 8bit CLOG on iPad Pro with no issues, Lumafusion with LUTs all work ok etc. My bottleneck now is either using 8bit clog internal and Ninja V as monitor only or upgrade to a higher end editing machine. Thankyou
If you are using Apple devices go for a MacStudio or Macbook Pro Middle Range and buy FCPX. Than u can use Prores up to 4444XQ (or Prores 422HQ which will be fine as well.) You can do Proxies (in the h264 Format) from the Apple device to use them as well with Lumafusion and send them back to the mac when needed.)
@@ernestowilliams1494 they call this a pocket camera but with the amount of shit thats hanging off it once you’re done buying everything thing separately its just a hassle. And the amount of money you spent you might as well have bought an a7s3 with all the included features. Been thinking about selling mine
@@allinthemind2006 yeah when I ordered mine I thought it came with a lens it only makes sense but then to find out that it doesn’t & all of the other parts needed have to be paid for separately is unacceptable not only that but I haven’t even been able to access my davinci resolve and not even customer service could help me
400/500 US dollars for SD card it’s way to much, especially if you have a T5, T7 and any other SSD drive from which you can actually work straight out without transfer.
@@damiencooper how often this appeared for you and what could be the reason for this? Maybe you unplug SSD before turning of the camera or still recording. This could even happen with SD card if taken out during recording. I guess it’s a way to schedule your work.
When I asked Chat GTP about recording with an SSD it said: ''No, you cannot use the Samsung Portable SSD T5 500GB as the primary recording media for the Blackmagic 4K Pocket Cinema Camera. The camera requires an SD card to record video.'' Is this true?
Which one is your favorite?
Hi thanks for your content.
Can you tell me the name of the USB c câble please im in France and i cant find him
cfast rocks!
Finally ordered a pair of Angelbird 512gb cfast cards. 🙂
I've been planning on using an nvme Pcie ssd in an enclosure using USB 3.1 gen 2
@@connectronbuilds9960 even if you use an NVME you will still be limited and locked to the max speed of 560MB/s which may still not be enough in Q0 or 3:1 and it not guaranteed that you will meet the maximum throughput.
Helpful review. My T5 500GB records the highest resolution on 60fps without dropping a single frame for long.
How long are your record times? Usually buffer issues come in at a certain point.
@@blainecovert8374 I have recorded more than four minutes continuously for my music video clients on double speed audio track with 50fps.
@@SubhasisMukherjee thanks!
@@SubhasisMukherjee3:1 or 12:1? I tried 3:1 6k raw with bmpcc6k pro and t7 4TB and it drops frames. Drive has 1,050 read/rite
I totally agree. Luckily I had a bunch of CFast 2.0 cards from my 1DX when I bought the BMPCC6K. Personally I never had any issue with my t5 but there is always the risk of potentially loosing footage.
exactly. I think it's worth the investment...
U use the t5 for 6k or 6k 2:4:1 ?
I like the T7 Shield is now on the BMD approved media list.
T7 is now compatible and on the list of Blackmagicdesign
My BMP6K will arrive tomorrow, I can’t wait, to try it out 😄
Nice, best feeling!
Which data option did you end up going with? Thinking about ordering one in the next few days.
Just ordered my bmpcc 6k today! Will be using the SSD to record.
thinking about ordering one? Would you still go the SSD route after your experience?
@@emersive I went and got 2 Samsung T5 SSDs to record on. So much better then the CFast cards as far as money spent. I got two 1 TB SSDs for $220.
@@jarrodames139 thanks for your response
How long could you record for using both of the ssd cards
Thank you so much for making this content full of valuable info!
Noticed you mentioned the T7 would not be recommended. Just wanted update you and the community, I’m using the Samsung T7 with the BMPCC 6K PRO and works perfectly, with all modes. Seems the T7 is also faster than the T5s
The usb 3.1 port seems to be the bottleneck.
Will it work on 6k gen 1? Anyone please answer. Thank you
I had only Problems with CFast so far with a Pocket 6K G1 ... The Samsung T5 512GB we used once with 4 Cameras for a long interview and there was no file missing in the end and they work very well (T7 are not recommended from BM as you told in the Video). SD Cards worked as well very good but I use it more for Private or Testing stuff.
Thanks for this video! this was very helpful!
Thanks for this buddy! So helpful!
I am a v60 sd card person and I bought a microsd v90 Lexar 1800 card. For me I don’t need more than 720mbits per second
Now I bought an internal Samsung 970 Evo Plus and a plugable USB 3 gen 2 NVME enclosure and I get infinite time at full USB speed, and sustained 1.6GBytes per second over Thunderbolt
Hi there! What was the maximum frame rate and bitrate that you could work with the V60 if I may ask? Braw 12:1 6k at 50/60fps was posible?
@@libraproducciones from sites I see that's not possible. That has a sustained write speed of 87, so even a v90 card is being stretched
@@numberIII-nr5zc thanks for your answer, I've just found this www.braw.info/ which is amazingly helpful
Can you relink the cable for the Samsung T5 you recommend please. The current link takes me to a search of cables. Thank you!
Some really great information here - thanks for the video
thanks for the honest review
This was very helpful! Thank you!!
Dude! I love your videos because you’re always answering question that I have at this time
haha, good timing!
The crucial x8 holds up fine on the constant or bitrate. Your opinion isn’t fact. I would share only what you know to be fact to not mislead others. Try the blackmagic speed test to gain a better understanding of ssd.
Great vid!
Thank you!!!! You’re awesome
I have a BMCC 6K (G1) and plan to mainly shoot around 6K BRAW (24fps) and BRAW 4K (24fps). My budget is around $200, so what is the optimal choice for me? I don't want to run into any issues with speed or memory. I don't plan on getting anything higher than 1TB.
gracias
thanks! like it. well done.
great video. question, what's your recommendation for storiing from the CFAST card?
Lol I recommend you a BMPCC 4K just 10 min ago.on a old video of yours.
Didn't know you owned both of those 😂😂
Makes me feel like fool. I like BMPCC 4K A Lot. I wish they Officially Sold in India
Vishal Kumar haha, they don’t 🤨
@@damiencooper Nope. We have Arri/RED but no Bmpcc Official Sale in India. People Import stuff and use, but it's not official
@@mrvk699 Vishal, please check imastudent out. They are the official online dealers for blackmagic. Blackmagic has been available all over India forever.
great content!!
Can you name the brand and spec’s of your recommended usb c cable? the link is unclear. PS in Europe there’s are still some Samsung 1T SSD’s to be found…for now.
Thx you
I know you use canon, how easy is it to color match it with the black magic? I've been loving your content, thanks for making it!
Do you know how the T7 Shield 1 or 2 TB work with the Blackmagic 6k Pro?
Hey, great video ! do you think it would work with a cfexpress card from angelbird?
It can’t. It doesn’t have a cfexpress slot
@@damiencooper Okay, thanks !! :)
How do I find the original Samsung T5 cable for my Camera ? I can’t seem to find one without buying a new SSD. My DockAse is not letting me Record 4K 60
Which sandisk ssd best for bmpcc 4k
thanks!
can you film on your bmpcc4k with the cfast a resolution of 4k 60 fps with braw?? thanks
I have to disagree with 80% of the info here...no disrespect...having worked with BMPCC 4k from the beginning in the professional world, The Samsung t5 500gb, has worked fine, at all frame and bit rates. Angel Bird is way overpriced and again in a professional setting...I have yet to spend more for an SD card than I spend on my C-fast or SSD drive. These are my thoughts and my experiences. Anyway, continue to research, and learn. Kudos to the channel
May I ask what are your longest record times? All of my various ssd's can record for short periods but not past about 25 minutes. I will pull an older T5 500tb in the next few days to do my own tests with it. Just finished two theater archive videos with long record times and had issues. The T5 i usually save for handheld work. Thinking about trying NVMe stick next. Thanks!
I bought scan disk 2t 1050/read/write. no issues at all . I have a bm 6k pro
Interesting. I already went with cfast (expensive as you know), curious how much that bad boy costs.
@@mrhobs 340.00
@@ocdptony7363 Nice
What compression rates are you using? Are long record times a problem at all?
@@blainecovert8374 12.1
Thank you for explaining everything about storage on bmpcc6k! I have one and I am using the ssd option and I just got one great sd ( Sony tough series). I was wondering how you surpassed the problem of the battery? What external supply are you using?
I'm still waiting on my 6K Pro, but I bought a Vmount rig based on the various vids I've watched. I got a Neewer battery and a Smallrig Vmount.
I use a Fxlion Nano a smaller Version of the the V-Mount Batteries with D-Tap to BMPCC Energy Input. There are different Possibilities to atach it via Smallrig Pieces (v-Mount Bracket) if you also have the Smallrig Case for the BMPCC.
So, there is no solution to shoot at the highest quality and highest frame rate without dropping frames or having the card just stop? - I do like Angelbird cards but they are usually pricey... maybe that XT version would be the best?
Link doesn’t work, what’s the name of the cable?
Honestly - I love the Bmcc6kpro so much for what it is but I'm also super disappointed with the fact that even external SSD's lose data. Hasn't happened much to me but it has happened overall even with a Samsun T7 2TB which should be double the t5's reading and writing speed. Also the inaccuracy of the battery data (telling you it has way more than it really has and then turning off on you mid shoot). Super disappointing. For me, getting an Angel CF card is like $1000. It's crazy
T7 doesn't used to work well with BMPCC. most of people use T5 500gb.
I watched a YT vid recently that pointed out that the BMPCC6K Pro is a true cinema camera, but is often compared to DSLR's. They went on to explain that a true cinema camera should be expected to require a full rig i.e. Vmounts, monitor, the whole kit and kaboodle. It was a pretty convincing argument against it's downsides. Especially considering the price point and numerous features.
The thing that really ticks me off is the short approved media list. A T7 should be ampol and an NVME drive should be best drive for the device.
T5 is the SSD you need ... T7 is not recommended by BM
@@ianmartin2924 I use Western Digital Blues with a cfast adapter and it works perfectly fine for me
ssd for maximum quality? MAXIMUM I say!
👏👏👏
I have the sdd but when I attach it to the bmpcc6kpro nothing comes up. What am I doing wrong?
it aint got no gas in it
Hi very interesting tutorial Do you know if is possible to use Y cable to connect SSD and gimbal to bmpcc usb-c? Will theu the togheter? Thanks
It will not work, hubs split the bandwidth. I have tested with a USB SSD and 100mb Ethernet and they both show up in camera, but the camera IMMEDIATELY drops frames even at 4k 12:1
@@spusuf Thanks
what do you find works better and is more reliable? the CFast card or the samsung ssd?
Cfast. Not even close
@@damiencooper ughh i felt you were gonna say that hahaha.. thanks by the way
Thank you for this video. I'm currently looking into storage options for the 4K and the 6K. When looking at the speed of all of the options, I'm curious to see if the XT even supports 6K 50p Q0. Are you able to try it out? 30p 6K Q0 chews into 242 to 483 MB/s. The maximum write speed of the Angelbird CFAST XT is 480?. Does this mean it can't handle a super complex shot in 50p Q0? If so, what does? The T5 is also limited to around 540(transfer. Don't know what the write speed actually is) if I remember correctly. Maybe other drives are faster but f.ex. the T7 hacks its speed with a buffer so it can't shoot video. Its speed is advertised as sequential write at 1000MB/s which makes it unusable for the BMPCC. Do we have to rely on an external recording to record super complex shots with Q0 in 50p 6K?
thanks,
M
I use v30 cards and can record braw 8:1 24fps up to 12:1 60fps. So your information is not correct I'm afraid.
Hi Damien, just found you on a random search. Thank you. I just subscribed. So, just to be clear (I'm new at this bmpcc 6K); so using a SDXC 256gb V90 Class 10, I'm able to film in Blackmagic Raw at not only 3:1, but also 5:1, or 8:1... in 24fps or 30fps? AND: if using ProRes 422/or HQ, I should be good to go with 24p and 30p? Again just making sure. I prefer the SDXC over CF for now however, I'm looking into the CFast cards too. The BMPCC6K I'm referring to isn't mine, I'm being asked to run it for someone for a few hours. I appreciate this video and your help. Thank you, -Michael
I fou look up on the BM Web Page you will find the Speed you have to use for certain Formats and so on. Since 3:1 is better/higher rates (Blackmagic RAW 3:1 - 323 MB/s - 6K - 30frs) than 5:1 or 8:1 its possible. The 422HQ with 4K is possible with an SD Card Write Speed ofe 422HQ with 4K is possible with an SD Card Write Speed of 120MB/s. This speeds are made up with 30frs. The card will be expensive and just make sure to have a v90 card.
T7 didn't work for my Blackmagic pocket 4k
How do you get the Cfast card data into my computer to edit?
Cfast 2.0 reader. It plugs into a USB 3.0
Hi bro, any suggestions you can give us for your desktop/laptop setup for editing?
Ive only got the iPad Pro (with Lumafusion), EOS R and Atomos Ninja V. Unfortunately iPad Pro and Lumafusion do not support ProRes or DNxHR codecs (4K 10bit 4.2.2 CLOG) I can edit 4K/1080 8bit CLOG on iPad Pro with no issues, Lumafusion with LUTs all work ok etc. My bottleneck now is either using 8bit clog internal and Ninja V as monitor only or upgrade to a higher end editing machine. Thankyou
If you are using Apple devices go for a MacStudio or Macbook Pro Middle Range and buy FCPX. Than u can use Prores up to 4444XQ (or Prores 422HQ which will be fine as well.) You can do Proxies (in the h264 Format) from the Apple device to use them as well with Lumafusion and send them back to the mac when needed.)
The fastest SSD drives for BMPCC 4K/6K are Delkin Dysk Juggler SSD - write speed up to 1050 Mb/s
Which one how much GB?
I got some CF cards that I would use with my Canon 5D, one of them is a Compact Flash SanDisk Exteme 120mb/s, would this work, anybody know?
The link for the SSD cable link does lead to Amazon but not on a particular page. Is that just me? I'm in the UK.
you're right! fixed it!
@@damiencooper again, it does not lead to a specific page, it translates...
whats the link to the type c cable? The link takes me to a lot of them. Thank you!!
it pisses me off how much they're charging for these cards
Agreed ! It’s insane that the camera doesn’t come with its own lense but it should ATLEAST come with 1-2 cards
@@ernestowilliams1494 its all a racket
@@allinthemind2006 totally agree
@@ernestowilliams1494 they call this a pocket camera but with the amount of shit thats hanging off it once you’re done buying everything thing separately its just a hassle. And the amount of money you spent you might as well have bought an a7s3 with all the included features. Been thinking about selling mine
@@allinthemind2006 yeah when I ordered mine I thought it came with a lens it only makes sense but then to find out that it doesn’t & all of the other parts needed have to be paid for separately is unacceptable not only that but I haven’t even been able to access my davinci resolve and not even customer service could help me
400/500 US dollars for SD card it’s way to much, especially if you have a T5, T7 and any other SSD drive from which you can actually work straight out without transfer.
if you want to risk having corrupt files or a corrupt drive that's fine. But if you charge decent money for your videos, 500$ is nothing
@@damiencooper how often this appeared for you and what could be the reason for this? Maybe you unplug SSD before turning of the camera or still recording. This could even happen with SD card if taken out during recording. I guess it’s a way to schedule your work.
T7 is not working currently.Only T5.
When I asked Chat GTP about recording with an SSD it said: ''No, you cannot use the Samsung Portable SSD T5 500GB as the primary recording media for the Blackmagic 4K Pocket Cinema Camera. The camera requires an SD card to record video.'' Is this true?
so is the SanDisk SSD 1 TB 1050MB/s faster than the Samsung T5?
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