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My 2020 Ram ecoDiesel gets 32 MPG normal driving (highway)and 17 MPG towing my 20’ (6,600 lbs) camper back roads. I expect the same differential when my CyberTruck arrives. Nicely done on the video.
This is a great episode. I learned a lot on how to get the most mileage from my EV, and that traveling the backroads has a lot of advantages to the freeways. The journey is the adventure, not just the destination. Next trip I take I'll avoid the freeways as much as possible.
Or you could live a normal life and not waste it
@@shckltnebay I'm not sure what you mean. How is taking trips wasting my life? I've recently retired so I plan on enjoying my retirement by taking some trips around north america in my Tesla. To me, that's not wasting it.
I recently towed a 6 x 12 U-Haul trailer from Central Florida to the DC area with my model Y. I wouldn’t recommend it if you had to do it all the time, but as infrequently as I’ll need to do it, it wasn’t a big deal for me. I supercharged 13 times. Knowing this, I purposely drove through the night to minimize congestion at superchargers. I had a mixed bag of situations… But I never had to disconnect the trailer. Unfortunately I only visited one supercharger that was a pull through which is perfect for trailers.
I was never stressed about the actual charging, but I was stressed about finding a spot each time. And like Jesse said, not wanting to interrupt anybody if possible.
So again, it’s totally doable… But both Tesla and electrify America definitely have work to do in order to make trailer towing with an EV a more pleasant experience.
That being said, I think trailer towing represents a small fraction of driving, so I’m glad they are rapidly expanding their network … even if they aren’t all tow friendly yet.
I'm a little surprised they let you do this. That's like 1k over towing capacity isnt it? Model y 3500 those 6x12 U-Hauls gvwr is 4400
The going slow, taking back roads and maximizing the amount of momentum you have is the thing I do now
That sucks
@@icosthop9998 not really, when you just pick direction and go it is nice just to slow down and not worry about anything, because if you do not need to be anywhere at a set time you find a lot of new things that you would not know about otherwise
If I am retired and have plenty of time for dilly dallying it would not be a problem. For a rushed family with just a weekend it would not be worth it.
@@MrCPPG I am not retired either I just don't care to rush and the back roads normally are not that far off the time it would take to go the highway, unless you are going cross country
@@donwanthemagicma I am that way too. But I have freinds with kids and getting everyone together usually means weekends getting to the destination as fast as possible amd back for work on Mondays.
I hate traveling on large holidays and large crowds on the roads.
Rivian is building their own network and so far (a very limited set) they have at least one trailer ready stall. We saw such an installation in Inyokern, California, in the same parking lot with the Tesla superchargers. The superchargers also have one trailer ready spot and we were happy to use it.
We currently tow with a Model X and our trailer is light enough we don't need a weight distribution hitch. As such it takes us little time to drop and hook back up. We end up dropping more than 1/2 the time.
We have solar and LFP batteries for the trailer so we can power most stuff while the car is being charged but plugging in to run the AC would be a nice plus. I think we can squeak by with the 120v in the Rivian but experimentation will be necessary. If we did power the AC this way we wouldn't be able to use anything else.
Others have allready covered that TT-30 is 120 volts. We try and book 50 amp sites. I have plugged the trailer into the TT-30 and the car into the 14-50 and just dialed the amps back on the car. I've played the swap game too: plug the trailer in during the day and let the AC run while we're out exploring in the Tesla and veggie we took to bed, unplug the trailer and plug in the car. As I said, with our trailer we only need external power for the AC, which we typically don't use at night.
Keeping speed down is key. We never drive faster than 55 MPH. My trailer tires aren't rated for speeds over 60 anyway. If we are running short I'll slow up to 50 or even 45. We drive in from Lone Pine to Furnace Creek at 45 just to make sure we could make it. It turned out to be no problem so after climbing out of Panamount Valley we picked up speed to 55 again and arrived with 47% still in the battery.
I towed a very small trailer with my model 3, the slow max speed of towing in the UK gave me longer range than normal. The extra weight doesn't seem to change the range that much. Also overtaking two cars and a lorry (semi) on a long straight was fun with the instant torque. I wondered what they thought as the trailer and car zoomed past.
Small trailer . But not a caravan right .. i mean thats a whole different deal .. but i hope you meant small caravan ...
Just another GREAT video! Awesome job Zac and Jesse and the team!
One of the best episodes you have ever done. Very informative and objective
I love how concerned Jesse was about blocking all of the stalls...so sweet.😊
Unhook the trailer at Supercharger, thats all!
@@rozonoemi9374 If that's what is required, then EV trucks will never be widely adopted. Chargers need to accommodate trailers, period. Requiring drivers to park elsewhere, unhook, drive to the charger, charge, drive back to the trailer and then rehook is just crazy... perform this ritual every 80-90 miles?? No thanks. ICE trucks are MUCH cheaper, get far better range, can tow far heavier loads, and gas stations don't require this inane hook/unhook ritual. When priced out, dollar for dollar, ICE trucks still win, and it isn't even close. EV trucks have no advantage whatsoever when towing is involved. This needs to change. Trucks are the #1 selling vehicles in the world and 70% are fleet sales to commercial businesses that will require towing at some point.
@@QarthCEO Seem like quite the hassle when you are towing
And when it to comes to the knowledge of "Kill a watt" hours...
I will also need a calculator. 😳
Thank God that comes with the cell phone.
Thanks guys. The back roads are great. No need to be in a rush to get places
In EU 🇪🇺 trailering (cars as well as big rigs 🚛) are limited to 80 km/h. It saves vast amounts of energy to go 80-85 versus the 110-120 you guys did.
Also, our caravans and trailers only connect with the ball hitch, a catastrophy wire (enables brakes and snaps off) and a power plug, so unhitching is much easier (still a pain in bad weather).
Ball hitch is by far the most common but gooseneck and fifth wheel do occur on pickups and trucks.
Thats 8 km less then the US, not that any trucker or most towing vehicles are obeying the speed limit lol
@@shckltnebay as far as I know, only California has the 55mph towing speed limit. The rest of the US doesn’t discriminate between towing and non-towing speed limits.
@@nathaniel6286 What does that matter?
I honestly had that thought about back roads a few days ago. My Dad always drove back roads. Almost never interstate. There is probably something to it.
Thanks for doing this! Knowing these details about how different conditions will impact range, I'm sure one day will come in handy. I do wonder how a pop up trailer might do in terms of improved efficiency. As you mentioned, there are many many variables but getting more data on different shapes and size trailers will help fill in the knowledge gaps and get us to a place where we have a better idea of what to expect.
There is a lot of misinformation about the 50A service travel trailers use. The 50A service for RVs is exactly the same as the 50A service now required for electric stoves in houses. It has two separate 110v legs that are able to be used together for 220v. This 220v is different from 220v in Europe because of the way that they handle the neutral. When you feed your RV with a 50A service you are providing your RV with two separate 110v legs that are kept separate by the RV unless your RV is set up for only a 30A 110v setup. If you use a 50A to 30A adapter, the 30A adapter only feeds 110v out at an unknown current (likely 30A). On another point, if you slow down to get improved mileage for pulling a trailer you still cannot compare it to the mileage you get without a trailer. Wind resistance varies as a square function. If you double your speed, you essentially quadruple the resistance to air flow. If you drove your EV at a slower speed on the freeway, you could improve your mileage considerably by slowing down with or without a trailer. Thanks for the information... there is a big learning curve to pulling a trailer. One more thing -- I notice you are using a load leveler system. It basically unloads the rear wheels of the pulling vehicle by adding load to the front wheels. When I pull my trailer with my diesel dually truck, I don't need the load leveler because the truck itself is pretty heavy. I'm anticipating that my cybertruck will not need a leveling system and I would be surprised if there wasn't something in the Rivian that reduces the need for that device as well. EVs are a lot heavier than traditional vehicles so it kind of acts like my heavy ICE truck. Hookups would be far simpler without the load leveler and can be done far faster. You could also speed your hookup time by adding an electric jack in the place of the crank type. (It is also a lot easier on an older person in the heat and humidity we see on the East Coast). Keep up the good work. I love your banter.
Excellent video! You really covered all the possibilities well. A huge factor when towing a high-drag trailer like that is prevailing wind direction. You can't change it.... but consider it in your range (10mph tailwind vs 10mph headwind is like going 20mph slower! ) - For quick trailer disconnects - an electric jack / trailers that don't have load distribution setups / and I'm hoping Tesla's auto-summon feature will help me move the Cybertruck into the hitch easily, on my own! Now... we could have software to enable charging while moving - and you equip your trailer with 10 or 20KW battery packs... that would be a game changer! (I know there's going to be self-propelling trailers - but that will be a very expensive proposition / vs retrofitting and existing camper)
Yes, speed has actually more impact on range than weight, so by drivng slower when pulling a trailer can give the same range as regular driving, it only costs time.
Also, over here 80 km/h (50 mph) is legal limit anyway. Strange that it's legal to drive with a trailer that fast over there.
It varies from state to state. Some places have a lower maximum speed for anything pulling a trailer. Doing quick math in my head, it works out to about 90km/h. The non-trailer limit will be something like 110-120km/h in the same pace.
EA charging app problem? But internet says EA is as reliable as Tesla superchargers! Haha
@@pinball16 I think you replied to the wrong comment.
Thanks for mentioning speed limits while towing. It’s 55 in California for towing although many tow at 65-75 or more but a ticket towing and it’s not for commercial purpose equals a big ticket! Darn all those nasty added on fees!
@@edornelas8275 Yes, this is a reason a lot of people prefer a single unit camper like a camper van over a trailer.
True hypermiling also means you slowly speed up downhill, then as it starts to climb up, slowly lower the speed (either with the pedal or lowering the cruise ctrl speed) trying to keep the Energy meter close to zero (that line).
This means you make mgh into mv**2/2 downhill and vice versa (mv**2/2 into mgh) uphill! Very efficient driving.
You probably will go +/- 15 km/h diff at 80 km/h and hilly places. Even more at 100+ km/h. So anyone behind you may get annoyed.
You guys are having too much fun testing out this review you guys have one of the best jobs in a while keep up the good work thanks for all your reviews🎉👍😎
I hate odd numbers, but my wife found that 57 mph seemed to be the best speed pulling our 19’ camper. My Model X did really well. There was twice out west when the highway was 80 mph we almost got rear ended by semi trucks. It was scary.
Und how old were you when you first developed ziss hatred of the ott numberz?
As a child, were you close to your muzzer?
@@eyesuckle no, not really. But wen i wood wimpa an cwy, she would pat my hed an say its al ok. 😆
FYI, the 30 amp service at your campsite is 120V (24*120 = 2.88KWh) which results in a charge rate that is twice as fast as a 15 amp (12*120 = 1.44KWh) Level 1 charger. The best option would be to get a 50 amp service which is at 240V (40*240 = 9.6KWh) resulting in a charge rate a little under 7 times a Level 1 charge rate.
Correct...that's a TT30 plug (Travel Trailer 30 amp 120 volt). When you reserve a camp ground, there are 50 amp-240V spots and there are 30 amps-120V spots. You have to check which the campground provides. Many campers only need 110 at 30 amps to power an A/C and the rectifier.
You should also know, many campgrounds cannot provide power on both plugs at full current. They're installed to power one or the other. At 120V draw it won't be a problem but if you found a spot with a NEMA 14-50 AND a TT-30, you likely cannot draw all that current. Also, about a quarter of the campgrounds I've visited will have reversed polarity...not a huge problem but you may see weird grounding warnings.
The pedestals I've seen the inside of have 0/1 cable even on a tt30r so plenty of supply. Getting 3kwh off a tt30r is usable. I'm lucky to have a max pack and an aerodynamic trailer, unlike theirs, and can muster 1.6mi/kWh 60-65mph. That's 225miles towing but I should try the hypermiling trick. Good info and look at the scenery.
The charging infrastructure does need to be updated especially with so many different EV's coming to market. We are going to need to have charging stations set up like gas stations for those EV's with trailers or bigger sizes. Either way this was a really good video love that we get to truck tow in a real world matter. Can't wait to see the videos you guys do with the F-150 later this year but also other EV's.
You know what would be cool... A lightweight "aerodynamics maximizing adapter" that would span the gap between the truck's cab and the top of the camper. I wonder how much that would affect turbulence and could it help to make towing a camper more efficient? I'd love it if you guys could try building something like that. Maybe something with a very simple curve through the length of the span would work... Anyhow, great episode!
That's a brilliant idea. Something made of a semi-elastic fabric would be nice. The main difficulty would be attaching it to the trailer and truck without damaging the paint on the truck. But if you could think your way through that problem, I'll bet it could make a huge difference.
@@eyesuckle I was thinking that if the frame was flexible it could be wedged in and held by elastic force. The surfaces which would contact the truck or camper could be made of rubber which wouldn't hurt the paint. The friction between the rubber and the truck and the friction between the rubber and the camper would also help hold it in place. It sounds good but it's hard to know what challenges there would be until you try it. Maybe someone with a place to work and some experience will try this. I'm not a designer or an engineer. I have no experience working with materials, and no place to work.
Very informative!
I've been driving my Nissan Leaf now for about 6 years and I actually put the car in neutral regularly and coast down most gentle hills. If you're really short on range you can also rotate between neutral and regen to claw back some miles. It definitely is more efficient that way.
For the cost of that DC fast charge session, you may have been able to stop and get an RV 50A -> 30A adapter at a RV shop, or even Walmart has them. Most RVs now have a 50A plug, and many Older RV parks only have a 30A plug, so that adapter is super common and safe.
You can draw more than 30amps from an RV hook up?
RV adapter do not work for EVs, its a different internal wiring configuration.
@@Canaca1 - sorry, but that is wrong. The standard is in the plug, and not it’s use. A NEMA 14-50 to NEMA TT-30 adapter (typical 30A RV plug) WILL charge your Tesla. You just need to ensure you set the amperage in the car to no more than 30A if using a TT-30 plug or adapter.
@@shckltnebay - it depends on the connector provided by the park.. The typical RV plug is either a NEMA 14-50, which can handle 50A, and/or a TT-30, which is 30A. Many parks have both.
Thank your for amazing videos
Great video, and great hypermiling Jesse!
You can get an adapter to plug the RV into a standard 15A 120v outlet for like $20. I tried it and it worked, even running the AC fine, on my slightly larger Intech Sol "Horizon" model (same 13.5k BTU AC). So you should be able to plug the camper into the Rivian with an adapter.
Nice video. That part where Jesse kept the Rivian in neutral energy is reminiscent of my VW ID.3 in its D setting [B setting gives regen as soon you lift off] and I have found that in many circumstances, except around city streets for example, the D setting is preferable. You coast like crazy on a trip, getting only selective regen based upon approaching roundabouts, traffic lights, vehicles in front, etc.., and VW's ambitious 263 mile range for the 62kW total/58kW usable it very possible indeed. In fact I got over 278 miles predicted range on the next full charge without trying [this was a fortnight ago in high summer], and I think 300 miles might be possible if I did try. Interesting stuff.
Hell yeah nice driving Jesse!
I tow a camping trailer with a Model Y. On long trips I usually have to unhitch about 50% of the time for charging. I don't mind unhitching. The issue is where can you safely stash the trailer? At a lot of the charging locations co-located with gas station/convenience stores, there is nowhere safe to park the trailer. I'm hoping that if we don't see more pull-thru chargers being built, there will at least be somewhere close to safely unhitch/hitch trailers.
Excellent work! I towed an RV to Alaska and back. EV charging stations need to incorporate pull-throughs if cross country trailering is going to be viable. Also, charging at your campsite offers about 12mi/hr charging out of a 30AMP EV adapter. Not sure what 50AMP provides…
The power outlets on the F150 lightning do not work while charging.
Genius design, lol
Energy per mile goes as the square of speed. Cutting speed in half about doubles your range.
A very well designed Truck and trailer combination will not take twice the energy of the truck alone. The truck will push aside the air based on the square feet of its cross section the trailer doesn't double this.
Man, I wish charging was smoother and Electrify America is the Gold Standard of non-Tesla chargers. Well, we've had more luck with them than Charge Point and a couple of others. Thanks for showing what happens if you just slow down. 🙂
I've had good experience with charge point, they are far more reliable than EVGO, up here in Maine. I couldn't get the Electrify America app to work in southern Maine when I used it last but I did get charge point to activate on my account in Jackman Maine with no cell service, so I guess it depends on the area? I wish they were all plug and play like Tesla. They need a boot up the arse. :)
@@richardburnett6781 Indeed . Good point. Don’t think anyone can make any blanket statements about any one network. It really depends on what kind of or if they have any local maintenance. 😀
I felt like we were on holiday with you! Wonderful!!
I was surprised you focused so much on range and charging. I charged my R1T at a 350kwh charger yesterday and got 208. Pro tip, pay $4/month and the charge per KWh on a single charge will more than pay that back. In all my EA stops I’ve never had the problems you guys have, either NE has terrible EA stations or you guys are EA challenged. I’ve towed a 5k lb boat and I could hardly tell it was back there, this vehicle is a dream tow solution.
Nice ride and great country on that return trip, thanks. Is there a pickup shell cover for the back of the R1T that could improve the aerodynamics like you're hoping for the R1S? And especially the right configuration of shell could improve aerodynamics when towing. Or maybe you can design a shell and sell it to Rivian? I forsee a whole video series devoted to designing and testing the NYK-9000 (Now You Know) shell! And it pops up with canvas sides for easy no hassle camping! Oh, BTW campsites often provide NEMA 14-30 outlets instead of the 14-50 for the dongle you have and Tesla sells that 14-30 dongle so I'm sure Rivian does too or they will once you show them your video. Cheers and drive safely.
In Denmark it used to be that you could only drive max 70 km/h (43 mph) it is changed to max 80 km/h (50 mph). Saves a lot of electricity!
I appreciate your demonstrating the "coast" strategy for maximizing efficiency to maximize range. I hope Tesla will help us with this by giving us a monitor and/or regen mode selection to maximize our use of a "coasting" mode.
Ehhhh, I think AP is the coast option.
@@BenefitOfTheDoubtInquiry Perhaps AP and FSD will maximize use of coast, but I suspect not, using any of the regen settings currently available.
The line at the top of the display shows power used or regen. When it is just a dot, you are coasting. Also, you can hold the right shift lever up for a couple seconds to go into neutral.
In California we do have some pull through Tesla chargers. Unfortunately not the norm, hopefully on the Tesla screen will update to specifying pull through charging available, as the longer range Tesla's become available and more and more of us tow trailers would be a really helpful addition. Already the Tesla screen indicates how many charges are available and how much it costs. Cheers from Northern California!!!
You guys hit the nail on the head with this video. My ICE truck is exclusively for towing and currently the infrastructure sucks for EV towing. How much did that trailer weigh?
When I tow a camper with my diesel excursion and I keep it at 62 mph as that is where I get the best millage. Air resistant really starts to add up
Jessie’s Roll Mode 🙌🤣
Hey Jessie next time what if you used cruise control? Would the cruise control allow you to coast or does it still use power?
The Rivian adventure network chargers are suppose to have one pull thru trailer spot plus multiple normal spots. Hopefully they will get that adventure network up and running around the US/Canada in a shortish amount of time.
btw, most trailers only use 120v for everything. So the Rivian could have powered the trailer.
This is awesome as I happen to have just bought that same Intech Sol RV, just the slightly longer Horizon version (this looks like the Dawn), same profile just 500 lbs heavier! I can't wait to try this when/if I ever get my (bigger battery version) Rivian in probably another year and a half. Hopefully a lot more bugs are worked out by then, both with the Rivian and the charging network. 60mph definitely seems like the correct speed for towing on the highway.
What is the weght on the trailer they used?
@@MrCPPG about 2700lbs
What this has made me realize/remember is that all gas stations are designed as pull forwards/drive throughs.
Haven’t used a gas station in awhile. :)
Vs charging spots are just regular parking spots.
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Respect for your backwoods driving and your miling skills, but man that is a huge drawback for an electric vehicle. I want to be relaxing on vacation, not agonizing.
Nice! I love that compact trailer called SOL. Can you tow with Sparky?
13:00 Your campsite was a 30 Amp power site and your dongle was for 50 Amp power. I have a camping trailer and that is a common issue. Every camping person will have an assortment of dongles for all the options you come across while on vacation.
If you use a 30A to 50A dongle, it still only feeds 110v at about 30A. If you plug your 50A trailer into such an adapter, only one of your two air conditioners will work since your RV is only getting 110v
They should put a couple lanes where a regular sized truck and a trailer can roll in. Walk to up to any charger and just tell it "I'm in truck lane 2". Then instead of having a charger that may or may not be used for trucks, you can just use a standard sized stall charger and "divert" the power for the hookup to the truck lane. Same amount of chargers in the area, just some options.
Fantastic video gents!
Jesse, I drive a 2018 nero hybrid (next car will be BEV) and drive, as much as I can, just as you described at the end ov the video. Highway mileage is about 50-52 mpg and city (back road) is 68-69 mpg. More thinking but much better mpg. I plan to use the same strategy on my next BAV car. Thanks for the good work you and your dad do.
Back roads generally add miles to your trip, whereas highways are far more direct. So while your MPG may be higher on a back road, you very well may spend more fuel on the trip, not to mention more time, which is valued higher than gasoline by most. Exceptions exist, but this is generally true for every case of backroad vs highway.
Tandem pull-in fast chargers used in Europe would be great for future RV’ing. I think the RV trailer of the future will have a 400V battery to replace the propane tank and 12V lead acid batteries. There may also be a motor on the axle to help out the tow vehicle. When charging the tow vehicle at a pull-in fast charger, also fast charge the trailer behind it.
With the roof of the trailer covered with Solar panels.
Can you used the outlets in the bed when charging on a DC fast charger on the R1T?
While not ideal, and not always possible depending on the lot layout, you can unhitch the trailer out of the way before charging.
From an aerodynamic point of view and speed 60- 70 miles per hour will make significant difference for all evs
I noticed at the end of the video you said you are waiting on your Ford later this year. Have you already ordered it, or still just have a reservation from 2021? How does that work? I have a reservation but my dealer never contacted me to order. Now I see ordering is open for 2023, so do I just lose my reservation and have to get back in like for 2023? Or are they still taking orders from reservation holders from 2021?
To add to Joe8NY's comment: ALL RV park power outlets are 120V, even the 50A receptacle, the 50A is 2 X 120V, the 30A is 1 X 120V. This is the way RVs are designed... only 120V service.
What would have been the total trip time with charging going back? to / What was the total time going in the backroads without charging? If the increase of time driving without charging isnt a huge amount, than I would just cruise the whole way home instead of 1) finding a charging station 2) hoping the charging station works 3) having to unhitch the trailer 4) paying for the electricity.
60 mph is the Max Rating for trailer tires. Look it up for your trailer tires.
How about an electric trailer jack to speed up hitching/unhitching?
Did you check the speed rating on your SP trailer tires. Some are limited to 55-60 mph.
"I feel like I'm at the casino "🤣🤣
I wonder if adding a roof spoiler would have made a difference, or at least a more aerodynamic trailer?
It would be amazing if you did these road trips in 4k. It makes it so much more real.
Great video. The good? part about Australia is that we have 90% back roads and only 10% duel carriageways.😂
Did it take twice as long on back roads factoring only drive time or did you include how long it took to stop and charge?
Curious. Zac and Jesse, please answer
E.g. I feel 25-50% total time penalty is worth it.
Pro: save electricity (carbon pollution and $ cost)
Reduce charging hassle, no pull through stalls, etc.
Enjoy the slower views
Softer bug splats to clean off front, Lol! 🤣
I think I would agree with taking the time penalty. Another bonus of electric is the hills will be less noticeable on back roads, no gear hunting and no high engine RPMs.
A great presentation. And through all of this, Tesla charging is way ahead of the competition. Driving style does matter. Thank you
Cool video, quite an experience I guess
20:49 What about going on the highway with strictly 50 mph? Best range and time for traveling?
Interesting and thanks for the towing info. The Rivian seems like a good product but their survival as a company seems unlikely. I have a CT on order but use my Model Y LR for road tripping and we often take our bikes with us on a hitch rack. They are of the E variety so that's 120lbs levered out but the mileage penalty seems to be +/- 10% which is totally doable.
I'm in CA and the Supercharger Network here is outstanding. We both drive Tesla's so mileage anxiety just isn't a thing for us.
Who do you think they are unlikely to survive? I think they're likely to be one of the ones that makes it.
It will take those of us who trailer a lot more planning. Unhitching for example can't happen when pulling horses or livestock. The Tesla pull through chargers will be key on their v3 network.
Hey guys great video! So I have a question. Does Massachusetts have a separate power grid from the rest of the US like Texas? The US standard is up to 120v or 240v not the other numbers you keep repeating in your videos, most of the time. In the comments below it looks like people are trying to point out, in a nice way that you guys might want to say 120 and 240.
Rivian's outlets in the bed of the truck are 110v, common among RVs, to help keep power consumption low. A house or camp sight will always have 120v to 240v outlets, no matter how much power the device uses that you plug in.
Lets go, 120/ 240!!!
@3:30 Someone stole your bikes!
In Europe heavy vehicles and vehicles pulling trailers is restricted to 80km/h. In some countries like Germany heavy vehicles and trailers is only allowed in the right most lane on the autobahn. So in Europe you wouldn't lose a lot of range if you don't go faster than the law allowes.
I think that Cybertruck could do twice a model 3 for charging since the battery will be twice as big if not more.
I would not be surprised of 500kW peak given a suitable charger. and 300kW average for the first half of the charge
California Tesla charging during peak is .46 per kilowatt some are always high some have two tier .26 off peak. Peak 10am to varies between 7pm to 10pm. Cheers from Northern California!!!
I mentioned this before even with most tesla chargers towing will be an issue. Add the size if cyber truck and a larger camper and you will need same stations as a semi.
Is the ev raffle available just for US participants?
Try to get a Hi-Lo trailer. MUCH less wind resistance. Something like that should be the go to for electric towing.
How man mi/KW do you get hypermiling with no trailer.
Pull through chargers should be the standard. That way when Tesla decides to open up the supercharger to non teslas in the US, it won't be an issue given the different ports placement. Tesla is already implementing that in Europe.
Btw it does show you can use a key instead of app, thats what i use the keys instead of the apps for non tesla chargers, much faster than trying to make the app to work.
thank you for your camping adventure and tips and remember. breath always great information from u ens
We needed the Benny Hill sound track for that first charging station.
Seems to me you didnt need to block all the EA chargers. Could have parked on the opposite side on the same charger. You would have blocked some parking spots instead
What happens when the semi is on the roads? Will they have there own charging stations??
I have a 24' travel trailer with 1 A\C unit and a 110 15amp outlet powers its A\C and TV without tripping any fuses. the trailer in this video is sure smaller than my 24' and thus smaller A\C unit. when trailering to a campground have the correct adapter to charge at 30\50 AMP and you will have a fully charged EV in the morning
Electrify America has a some charging stations that are set up like gas stations. They are great for towing and should probably be the standard. They just take up a good chunk of real estate
Can you charge your cyber with trailer in a truck charging station?
What is the efficiency at 55 mph which is gold standard for years for trucking industry as standard speed.
60 is ok at 1.5 -1.3 Kwh/mi
Try doing 55 mi/hr on the main highways where the hills are less apparent. I know most feel the speed of 60 and better is needed is not true one can do 55 oh the major highway and set the cruise speed on.
Just starting to watch. Can anyone point me in the direction of the Western/adventure score at the beginning? I am a sucker for that kind of music.
Sway bars should be not needed for a lightweight trailer like you have that's where your extra time is.
The TT30 outlet on the RV post is 120v, not 240v.
This is why I ordered the Cyber with 500+ miles. 250 ish towing
Awesome
Someone should invent an air filled cylinder jack to hitch/unhitch a trailer. Pull up, hit the schrader valve with the onboard air compressor and trailer raises in a second.
"Most people wouldn't have to charge to get to their destination." Gents, you need to come out to California. The family and I did almost just over 560 miles one way to our campsite. Stuff out west is a lot more spread out.