DNA TEST REVEALED 2 AFFAIRS & CHANGED A FAMILY'S HISTORY. ANCESTORS TOOK THEIR SECRETS TO THE GRAVE.

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  • TWO SISTERS GOT THEIR DNA tested, with Ancestry, and found very disturbing family secrets. One sister went on a quest to find her real father. She found her father, but when DNA matches showed unknown surnames, not matching her new father's, she messaged me for help to identify her new relatives, which included me. I then found more secrets kept in my own family tree. Secrets will be revealed by DNA and research. You have to be a detective and hunt down your heritage. Census records are a big help. In these cases, birth certificates wouldn't help: they weren't correct. These people took their secrets to their graves, but DNA tests and research found the truth.
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  • @KDClark1953
    @KDClark1953 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Hey, I just saw people on that paper that I'm related to "William Clark"

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      1817-1885 ?? Are you related to Sara Hinchee Clark (1816-1861) Mary Jonas Clark (1775-1850). That's Cool!

  • @waterwoman901
    @waterwoman901 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I had a case just like this. Weird matches that we couldn't place until discovering that my ancestors son was the farm hand on the farm of the other family whose DNA we now match for over 10 years, as shown on 2 census records. Bingo, you're busted!

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      I love stories like that. Since then I have realized how twisted the relatives can get. I think my great grandfather came to this country as his own younger brother. I have pictures of both and they could be twins, but of course they weren't. He supposedly went back and forth between America and what was then Austria Hungary --- now Slovakia. The guy that came here had a wife with the same name my grandmother said was her mother's name (who supposedly died when she was fairly young???? Anyway the offspring of the guy who moved here for good show up with an awful lot of centimorgans in common with me. Secrets, Secrets! 🤔

    • @olivrzanty1532
      @olivrzanty1532 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@paketotoja5 So interesting!

  • @cydkriletich6538
    @cydkriletich6538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    These sort of secrets are what make genealogy both interesting and challenging! My father’s mother never divorced my dad’s father, but went on to have 3 more children with her second “husband.” Those 3 kids were never aware of the fact that their parents were never legally married. When I mentioned this in a genealogy group, the facilitator was not at all surprised. She said many people back then didn’t have the money to get a divorce, so simply moving on to their next “spouse” without the benefit of clergy wasn’t unheard of. I hope Ella is able to continue building her family tree with the new information.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Ella did, and she shared it with me. I love talking about genealogy.
      Also it took years to get a divorce. With no computers, a person could have duel or triple lives in different towns, and no one ever found out. I'm always surprised how a person, man or woman, could leave their children and start over.
      I am tying up a series about a bigamist, swindler, and a murder. Anyway the man had multiple wives in his life time. Put in jail several times for bigamy and prison twice for being a crook. We've been hunting him down, off and on, for a few years.
      AND - just think of the tax write offs, etc.
      Did she ever send your father a birthday card or attend his graduations - was she still in touch?
      Did you get to meet her?

    • @cydkriletich6538
      @cydkriletich6538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@paketotoja5 Forgive me for not knowing, but I just came across your first video a couple of days ago, so….are you an author? When you say “We’ve been hunting him down…,” do you mind my asking who “we” are? I really need to spend some time catching up on your previous videos! As for my dad’s mom. She always had her first set of 3 kids, of which my dad was the youngest, with her. All siblings never considered themselves “half-siblings.” However, I have a really interesting story about her first children, but don’t want to share it in a public space. (“To protect the innocent!” ☺️) I was quite close to my Grandmother, as I always called her. She was Italian, too, but a much more modern woman than my “Nona,” who was my mom’s mother who immigrated from Calabria as a young bride. My Grandmother was born in U.S., in Annapolis. Her father, my Great-Grandfather, was a professional musician and played with John Philip Souza’s band at Annapolis, or so the story goes. I’ve been trying to research that, because it is that side of my family that has a lot of secrets and myths! I do know for a fact that Souza loved Italian musicians and went to Italy to hand pick many of his musicians, and that my GGF played in the band with the Italian maestro who followed Souza at Annapolis. I wish there were a way I could give you my email without it being so public. Do you know of a way? I think you and I could have an interesting friendship based on our mutual interests!

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@cydkriletich6538 We are - me (of course) my daughter, and one of my sisters.( My husband isn't interested in genealogy). We each have our own unique way of finding out about people and digging in, until we find out as much as we can. Newspapers.com, google is also a good one, - for modern people even facebook.
      I travel around in people's trees on ancestry, & My Heritage, findagrave, google, newspapers, old journals, death certs. marriage licenses, military records and ETC. It takes hours, but it's fun. That's why I started the YT channel.
      I'm glad your grandmother didn't abandon anyone.
      My story of Harry Jones (fake names) is full of abandonment.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@cydkriletich6538 and also - yes, I wrote Molly O'Neal trilogy. I have other books in my head about her, but I've stopped for now. (I guess C stopped most things.
      They are creepy, like horror books with no real gore or anything. mostly psychological terror. Supernatural and they give most people the creeps. Nothing really scares me, so I'm fine with them. hahaaha

    • @cydkriletich6538
      @cydkriletich6538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@paketotoja5 Oh! I’m so impressed with folks who write books! I was an English major in college, though I always thought I would teach. I have two friends who have each authored several books and self-published. One of them now has a publisher interested in his work. I will have to read yours. Where are they available?

  • @audkarinen6875
    @audkarinen6875 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    If the men were in any battles, there was a type of small mine trap that left many men sterile. In order to have children they needed to use another man. To assume that the wife was doing something behind her husband’s back is creating a story without all of the information and possibly missing a much better story.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Both of their Great-Grans were immigrants. Since my G-Grand uncle was born in 1875, I have know idea what war he would have been in. Granny never spoke of any wars. That would be a great questions to ask her if she was alive. I have so many questions I would have loved to ask her, but at the time, I wasn't very interested, I guess.
      At first I thought you meant coal mine workers, so I looked job hazards up, and there are many occupations that cause forms of infertility, including coal dust. Since these men were very young at the time, it was probably attraction.
      As for the younger affair, I think the man and woman in the situation had more than one affair.

    • @earlenepeterson8065
      @earlenepeterson8065 ปีที่แล้ว

      Bouncing Betty.

  • @sjgreene785
    @sjgreene785 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    Very interesting.
    Sometimes I feel I was adopted. It would explain a lot. I took a DNA test a few years ago it was 23 & Me. I went through some things and lost access to my results. I can't explain why but I have way more questions than answers. So I can't appreciate that feeling of just wanting the truth. I felt like something has been missing like a puzzle piece and I hope one day to be able to research it just to put it to rest in my mind.
    This has inspired me to start researching again. Thank you. Bless you.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

      On Ancestry a person has access to their results even if they don't pay the membership. The DNA results page is where I found the closest relatives. I have never looked into 23 & Me, but maybe I should get a test done just to see if I have any more siblings out there. I took the DNA test for fun and to see how Irish I was and if we had native American ancestors. My mother had just died and my daughter gave the tests to me and my husband to help me get my mind on something else. It sure did! I would dig. I want to know the truth. Have you ever watch Long Lost Family. The show is a real tear-jerker.
      I'm going to make a video about how to read into your DNA results Page on Ancestry. I was baffled at first, but now I think I can read it pretty well. I'll explain how you can tell if a person is your 1st cousin or half-sibling with amount of centimorgans.
      I'm glad I inspired you to research again.

    • @nillyk5671
      @nillyk5671 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Maybe if you email 23andMe, they can help you recover your account for you to be able to see your results. Or write them on Twitter, they do reply.

    • @sophirichmanfletcher4657
      @sophirichmanfletcher4657 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Be sure to test at all the major companies. You have a much better chance of finding those missing pieces. You can upload your raw DNA from some of the sites to other sites for free.

  • @dorisezell4413
    @dorisezell4413 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

    My husband's mother cheated many times & most family members knew it. My husband is 6'6 with brown eyes & doesn't look anything like the rest of his family. The man that he called dad wasn't his real dad out of 9 kids all of his brother sister's or only his 1\2 siblings He has done a DNA Anstery &23& me I found people that he is only kin to & I have sent message to but no response back .We have working on it for 2 yrs now .

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I found 2 siblings and reached out to both of them. One responded for a few emails and NEVER gave a hint of her life or address - nothing. BUT she doesn't know how me, my daughter, and one sister can hunt them down. We found out all about her and her life. She only wanted info of our father and would give none. I think that is so strange.
      On the other hand, I went to school with a guy who turns out to be my brother. He was open and we spoke and keep in contact. We don't include each other in family get togethers or anything like that. I look everyday to see if others show up.
      If you know their names or the name of who manages their account, you can try to see if they have a FB account. Of course you have to weed through the names. The states they live in helps.
      I am always curious about how they look. If they resemble us or not.
      Maybe one day one of their kids will get a hold of you.

    • @cydkriletich6538
      @cydkriletich6538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@paketotoja5 WOW! That is very interesting about finding your siblings!

    • @cydkriletich6538
      @cydkriletich6538 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Doris: Was your hubby surprised by the findings? I wonder if any of the other siblings have different father’s. Oh, yes….if walls could talk!

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@cydkriletich6538 No, My mother was a beat down woman - under his thumb. She gave birth to 10 kids. She was a good Christian lady, trusting, and I really don't think she knew he was running around on her all those years. He was a master manipulator. Of course we didn't know that until he was dead for about 40 years. He died in 1975. Two siblings is all I've found so far. All of course, of my father. People have to get their DNA done.
      MY Full sisters have between 2,450 - 2,880 shared centimorgans
      MY half-bro has 1,814 shared centimorgans
      (full nieces and nephews have about that much)
      MY half sister has 1,715 centimorgans shared with me.
      They show up on Ancestry in close family - so do cousins, nieces, etc.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@cydkriletich6538 yeah - it was hideous

  • @ladylaois8184
    @ladylaois8184 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Odd this pop up on my reel. I found out last night my great grandfather was an Indian, I had absolutely no idea. It’s strange because apart from my daughter and her son my Grandson, are very dark. I’m not not there dad. In fact my daughter has had racial slurs in the past. I’m not one for wasting money 💰 especially at the moment, but I’m tempted to do a test. Intriguing show this thanks i

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Sometimes Ancestry has sales on their tests. I think they are the best because they have the largest data base to draw from. It would be interesting if your daughter got her DNA tested too. Good Luck!

  • @bobbidell3591
    @bobbidell3591 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

    I remember my mom talking about how pissed my grandpa (her father) was when he learned he was from the "bastard" family. They were from the Appalachian area and research revealed it was very common for men to have 2 families, one on each side of the " mountain" so to speak. Their work took them away for 6 months at a time and they would live with each woman/family for part of the year. Our current monogamous culture thinks this is appalling, but polygyny has been around since the beginning of time.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

      What's sad is if they couldn't afford two families. If he would have concentrated on one, they would have been better off. If he could have a family where he worked, a shack etc. Then he could have brought his first family with him. It's all just an excuse to have a variety of women.

    • @WolfRoss
      @WolfRoss 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      What this DNA testing is good for is showing that women have a second husbands too. They just have been a lot better at hiding it. This is called Polyandry. Women have sex drive too. If the husband isn't there she will find and other man to take care of her needs.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@WolfRoss True, and a lot of women like a variety, just as men do. It isn't always not getting needs met. The world is run by hormones.

    • @meed8738
      @meed8738 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@paketotoja5I agree it’s an excuse to have a harem of women. They think they need so many women cause there are options out there. As humans we all know that options get in the way of us making the right choices.
      I agree the world is ran by hormones because simply put if people allowed the hormones to die down they wouldn’t feel like they need every person of the opposite sex walking.

  • @ramonaklassen9280
    @ramonaklassen9280 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Oh I understand. My story is almost the same. I found my bio dad 8 yrs ago. And the rest is a mystery, but have clues.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      If you get your DNA tested with Ancestry (the biggest data base) you can see relatives of his. That is, if they got their DNA done, so they will most likely be your cousins, maybe even a sibling or two. I found 2 half siblings that I had no idea existed.

  • @patriciaoday5166
    @patriciaoday5166 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    I believe this is much more common than we want to believe! I found out my youngest sister was a half sister AND my grandmother’s youngest daughter (my mom) was conceived by a man other than my “grandpa”. 😳

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh My Gosh! Since I have the experience of finding 2 half-siblings - Now I look back at other people I knew and wonder if they could be my half-siblings. My father led a double life. I think he was a Don Juan. Where your family infidelities were the Mom and Grandma, mine was my father. We got out DNA done to see how Irish we were and BOY did we get surprises. It basically tore our family of 8 children apart. (father died in 1975, Mom-2015 I believe).

  • @kimhorner7546
    @kimhorner7546 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    This happened to me. I was broken hearted. My father raised my sister. I love her very much. But it just feels like we lived a lie.😪 She has never been able to find her father, she thinks maybe he died. It's sad to think this happened alot. She has the right to know where she comes from.
    LOL! we were always told our grandmother was part Indian related to Jenny Whiley like the park in KY. Would have been my grandmother, zip zero no Indian. But many secret's.
    On our Mother's side we are related to the writer Harriet Beacher Stowe.
    Really enjoyed your video!

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      She may be able to find other relatives of his. He may have had other children. I know it's not the same, but they may have pictures they can share. I found 2 half-siblings and I shared photos of my father with them (their father too). She won't have to make a commitment to them. Most conversations last a week or two (messages or email).
      Relatives will show up on the DNA match page on (I think) all the companies - Ancestry, My Heritage etc.
      My half-brother waited 7 years for someone to call him who thought they were related. It just happened to be ME.
      Finding out about lies and deceit takes time to absorb. I took about 2 years to get a handle on the truth. Many in my family still don't accept the facts.

  • @thomasg1042
    @thomasg1042 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    All good info! People can be so resistant to information contradicting their beliefs. But there are some things that cant be argued.... like.... a DNA test.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      DNA doesn't lie, people do.

  • @zaraahmer
    @zaraahmer 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Just saw the video. I don’t know why, but my gut feeling says that assault/rape is a possibility too. Esp if the woman was alone part of the day, with male boarders inside the house. No way to avoid the boarders.
    And it might have led to worse consequences, if the husband found out. He might not have believed that she was innocent.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      could be - but he boarded in a census 1910 with her when she was married to another man. Then he is found in the 1920 census as a boarder with her and a different husband. Maybe she never even told him the baby was his.
      I looked back at my tree and He immigrated in 1907. Went back and forth to Europe. Wife immigrated in 1921 with his son.
      Almost sounds like a double life.
      I just looked at the addresses for 40 years. Two are different blocks on North St. in St. Louis, and 2 are the same house number on North St. In 1940 he shows up as a widowed.
      CAN'T WAIT TO SEE WHERE HE SHOWS UP IN THE 1950 census.

  • @Emy53
    @Emy53 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It only disappears for one sister only.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      yes, the other one keeps her bio dad's tree.

  • @foodtechbuddies911
    @foodtechbuddies911 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    DNA tests gave answers to questions...

  • @TheMaggos555
    @TheMaggos555 3 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Interesting story, Pam.

  • @molson442able
    @molson442able 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    If it wasn't for the affairs, Ella wouldn't be here

  • @sharontabor7718
    @sharontabor7718 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    DNA indicates my father has 2 previously unknown 1st cousins on his mother's side of the family. The issue is that my grandmother's brother and double 1st cousin both moved to IN, then to OH. One of the women was born in IN with relatives in OH, and the other across the border in MI. Both men had careers in the 1950s that required them to travel. The new cousins are very close to my age which would indicate a May-December dalliance, and their supposed 1/2 sister the age of their parents.
    There will probably never be a way to determine which of the men were the fathers. Also, being that the men were double 1st cousins, they show genetically as 1/2 siblings making the relationships uncertain as to which generation had the affairs: my great-uncle, his 1st cousin, or that cousin's sons. My great-uncle had no sons, and we only thought one daughter until a few years ago. I can't determine genetically if the 2 women are 1/2 siblings or cousins to my father's 1st cousin, and geographical location doesn't help. The known daughter of my great-uncle has no idea about the discoveries. Her children chose not to tell her as she is in her late 80s with dementia.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Dang - That is complicated. The double 1st cousin thing really does mess up everything. For Me - that would take tons of writing things down, comparing centimorgans of them and their offspring, and still probably not getting answers. That double cousin thing screws up everything.
      Were the new 1st cousins from married women? Just being nosy. I wonder if they had birth announcements in newspapers or birth certs. They may give some kind of clue.
      I don't know - I wrote a bunch of suggestions, but I think they weren't useful. That is a very complicated story.
      I would probably concentrate on their ethnicity and DNA matches.
      Just some thoughts. You may have done all this already. You sound like you are very good at hunting people down.

  • @livinglife8333
    @livinglife8333 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So if I have A woman who shows up on my DNA as a first cousin, way higher in centimorgans than my first cousin who did the test with me along with her mom. My known cousin has 850 centimorgans while this lady 1,147. We know it’s on my fathers side but we don’t know who’s the father? She’s not high enough I don’t think to be a half sibling so I’m unsure

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I looked at my daughter's DNA matches and she has one with 1,117 - it is her uncle who is my half sibling. I'm going to check and see what her "half aunt and uncle are called in her tree (halfs or just aunt and uncle. -
      Do you know how old this person is? - that helps figure if its an aunt or uncle or a cousin with a really high amount of centimorgans. I'm going to hit reply and look more in case I lose this.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      okay - second reply - I have two half siblings. Each one of them show up with a similar amount of centimorgans TO MY DAUGHTER (around 1,100) Did your father take a DNA test. If so, could this person be a half-sibling to him? I looked and if she is your Aunt - she would not be called a half aunt - just Aunt.
      If it's your father's half-sibling and he is passed on (like mine was) - a DNA test from one of his (for sure) siblings could show her as a half-sibling. Then she would be your aunt.
      Interesting - I'd try that first. If you had cousins marrying cousins in the past, that could also cause your matches from that couple to have more centimorgans with you.
      Good Luck in your search!

  • @carleylester9691
    @carleylester9691 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    Wow!! Just wow....so I'm pretty sure my older sister is not my father's child. I think it was my mom's other boyfriend that was TOO old to be seeing my mom and he was married. My mom denies this, but my sister looks just like Mr. Charles' daughters...and nothing like me. My parents are both slim ppl, but my sister is "bodyyy" for days as the kids say. Lol. Additionally when i heared my mom arguing with my father once, she said quite snarlingly and petty "know your history, she ain't even yours" 🤣 she denies saying this... but I remember details of other things like life lessons and the smallest details of cars and kitchens as a child and she confirms those things... but denies her little snappy statement to my dad 🤣🤣! Yeah ok lady...
    But the stories we weave. My sister does not want to take a DNA/Ancestry test. I think she's nervous.
    Before My father passed away we found out his 1st cousin (their mother's were sisters --> insert AlabamaJokeHere) and he fathered a child, my "cousin" Scott. 🤔😐🤷🏿‍♀️ and it came out because she, the cousin filed for child support 🥴 -- crazyy right. Unfortunately when Scott found out, he killed himself (or at least that was the assumed reason) he was a scholar and worked as a NASCAR engineer. Mind you, Scott and I grew up together. I thought he was just my little annoying cousin... guess he was that and more.
    Families are ...hmmm... weird.
    I'm subscribed! ❤🤟🏿❤

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I know!

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I only saw the first line - Just saw the REST. WOOOWWW! You really have a story (2). I would be tempted to get some of my sister's hair and try and get a DNA test from that LOL. So much happened in the past that was secret. My father had a secret life we didn't know about until I got a DNA test, then all the skeletons started coming out of the closet.
      You might find if your sister would get a DNA test more secrets could be uncovered then just the one affair. Lots of times people have patterns of infidelity.
      AND as for cousins having affairs with cousins. I have two sets of grandparents on my Grandma Pearl's side who married 1st cousins, (dueling banjos) I have a video about it. SO I have more centimorgans with their offspring. I'm going to do a video about - in what states is it legal to marry cousins or siblings. You'd be surprised.

    • @stacycamacho59
      @stacycamacho59 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      My great aunt is also my aunt... mom's sister aunt... shares 1860 with me ..

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@stacycamacho59Dang! So complicated!

  • @dscottfr
    @dscottfr ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Maybe she didn’t have an affair. The man may have forced himself on her.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  ปีที่แล้ว +1

      The WAY back couple. Could be, but he boarded at her house off and on through 2 of her husbands.

    • @dscottfr
      @dscottfr ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@paketotoja5
      You have to recognize the times as well. It was very shameful and most men who did those things used fear to keep them quiet. I’m just saying she should be given the benefit of the doubt.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@dscottfr Yeah, you never know.

  • @brandyhe3223
    @brandyhe3223 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hello. Will you share where the half sisters got they’re DNA tests?

  • @PK-bh1ww
    @PK-bh1ww 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    My aunt cheated with a friend if the family and they had a daughter. She never told anyine.(tho I suspect her husband knew because he use to beat on her) After she died and my cousin was grown and Ancestry came out with DNA testiing she had testing done and finaly found out the truth. So now she has 3 half sisters and a half brother. (alog witth 4 other brothers she already had. That gives her 8 siblngs!) ) But I think her Mother should have told her yrs ago before she died. I would have told my daughter. My cousin wasn't even rased by the man she thought was her Father because her Mother divorced him mnay yrs ago when cousin was young and he died when she was very young. But the bio Dad was still around.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I wonder if people would have told their adult children IF they would have known DNA testing would tell their secrets. I know the trauma that is caused by finding out the truth. What I found out took me 2 years to "get over," but it is still a very sore subject to discuss. Of course, it is discussed a lot.
      I feel for your cousin. Everyone tells me "you have to forgive." I say - let me wallow in it for a while. I forgave in a way, more like indifference. But we found out my father was an Ass; we really knew all along, but not to that extent. The hardest part, I guess, is feeling the betrayal and that your childhood was a lie.

    • @olivrzanty1532
      @olivrzanty1532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@paketotoja5 Dead people don't need your forgiveness. I think even if their actions had been discovered while they were alive they still wouldn't have cared that anyone knew. I think indifference is the best revenge. Your childhood wasn't a lie. His life was the lie.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@olivrzanty1532 You are so right. He would have only been sorry if he had been CAUGHT! Then it's hollow "I'm sorry." (said in a whiney baby voice.)

    • @olivrzanty1532
      @olivrzanty1532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Oh yeah." I'm sorry. 😫 I promise it won't happen again.🤥🤥

    • @PK-bh1ww
      @PK-bh1ww 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paketotoja5 meeting up with the 3 new sisters sort of made up for the pain of not knowing. They all welcomed each other and are happy. Before that she only had brothers. There had always been a "rumor" so it wasn't a total shock. More of a relief to finally know the truth. All the parents are deceased so these kids (actually over 60 yrs old now...) don't have to deal with the parents side..

  • @MJ-wz6jo
    @MJ-wz6jo ปีที่แล้ว +2

    There are secrets in my family can't proof any of it with out DNA I know there are grown children who don't belong to the parents in my family one of them is me the other is a supposed sibling . I'm 56 so if I really want to know I guess I need to get cracking on the DNA.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Yes, if you get it done with Ancestry, you have the best chance of finding people. You'll get DNA pages where matches are listed. Very easy to read. I found 2 half siblings. I'm sure there are more out there, but if they don't get their DNA tested, we'll never know. My family wasn't happy when we opened up the can of worms. Good luck.

  • @bethparker1500
    @bethparker1500 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    Alot of fun when hubby was in the mine!

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Yeah. The boarder was a miner too. I guess he was on a different shift.

  • @elioraimmanuel
    @elioraimmanuel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Whew…all those generational curses!

  • @jo100
    @jo100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +6

    This Story makes sense, because after WW2 until the 1965s around the time when the Baby Boomers where Born, Husbands will make more more more more Babies with their Wife’s and make more more more more more Babies with over Women to, my Friend.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      I agree. Some men collected children. (some still do) That's why my family tree (on my father's side) is called Skeletons in the _______ Tree!

    • @Emy53
      @Emy53 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@paketotoja5 I love your tree name.

    • @wandastevens3183
      @wandastevens3183 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@paketotoja5 my dad did that too...

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@Emy53 Thank you. I saw this comment a month ago and then lost it. I'm glad I found it again.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@wandastevens3183 Believe me, I understand!

  • @rebeccatopken6532
    @rebeccatopken6532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Hope it was an affair and not something else. Curious as to why if the sisters believed they were full sisters, why would both take a DNA test? Think they suspected something

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      When we messaged, I think she said they did think they were pretty different. So many people wait until their parents are dead. I wouldn't have told my mother all that I found out when I got my DNA done. (she was 93)
      My daughter gave me a test to get my mind off my mother's death. I was into genealogy for years before she died, but I didn't know the extent of the LIES until I got my DNA results. Then I didn't understand what the centimorgans etc. meant, or who all those strange people were in the results.

    • @rebeccatopken6532
      @rebeccatopken6532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@paketotoja5 understand.

    • @rebeccatopken6532
      @rebeccatopken6532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      My Mom was full of secrets...my daughter is doing a DNA test since her Dad was adopted, but Im thinking (hoping) something will pop on my side

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@rebeccatopken6532 Good Luck! I hope her DNA test uncovers lots of secrets.

    • @rebeccatopken6532
      @rebeccatopken6532 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@paketotoja5 me too. Im more excited than she is.

  • @elioraimmanuel
    @elioraimmanuel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    DNA isn’t the only determinant of family.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      Blood doesn't mean love, but she wanted to know how we were related. They had already found her bio father. They needed help finding the true biological roots. I have a HUGE "family" that is not close at all.

  • @MrAndyBearJr
    @MrAndyBearJr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    A conservative lowball estimate is that one out of every seven men are unknowingly raising a child that is not theirs. And many men are paying child support for a child that the mother knows is not theirs. Pretty crappy way for a wife to compound the evil of an affair.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      YES! That's why my family tree is called Skeletons in the ----- Closet. DNA tests are opening a lot of eyes. It took me a couple of years to get over and accept the fact of these skeletons. Now I'm just curious to find more!!

    • @nope9905
      @nope9905 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Men been cheating Forever. Maybe it's just karma for the men but really kind of sucks for their kids.

    • @MrAndyBearJr
      @MrAndyBearJr 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      They had to have been cheating with some one. Neither gender is pure in this realm. Some cheat, some don’t. Depends on the individual, not the sex.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@MrAndyBearJrYou are SO right. It takes 2 to tango.

    • @carnifaxx
      @carnifaxx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      you cannot compare history with today world, though. It was very different when women had almost no rights and were very dependent on men around (father, husband). There was bellow a suggestion of rape, but there is also another part of the historical reality and that's arranged marriages and abuse within them.
      Imagine 2 different situations (not saying that this is relevant to this particular case):
      - you live in a household full of abuse and someone is finally nice to you. You cheat - that's not nice. You become pregnant from this affair - would you really tell your husband? With a prospect of either more abuse towards you and your child, or the prospect of ending on the street without any money, never able to contact your older children (if there are any)?
      - you live in a household either nice or - even worse - abusive. Someone else abuses you, you end up pregnant. Presumable results of telling someone are similar to the ones above. Would you really tell this, or keep it as a secret?
      Everyone is presuming a shared will to have an affair, but the position of the woman in such affair was (and in some cases even today is) never equal to the male one, esp. before the actual existence of reliable contraceptives.
      (There are also other suggestions, esp. the infertility one is interesting, I just wanted to clear this particular thing up.)

  • @VickiePietz
    @VickiePietz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    My sister and I had a DNA done after my parents died we were not related. She remembers mamma bringing me home. However I didn’t belong to my dad.. we haven’t a clue where she came from.She passed away in July.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Did you get your DNA done on Ancestry? If you do she would still have a DNA match page. You can find all kinds of relatives of hers on that page. IF some got their DNA done on Ancestry. I also loaded mine onto GEDMatch, and My Heritage. Different results. The best results and easiest to read was Ancestry. I hope they didn't steal your sister.
      You never know, she may have been a friend's unwanted baby. Who knows. But I would want to know, at least, what nationality I was, (or she was). All of that info shows up on your DNA page.
      That is really a tragic story.

    • @VickiePietz
      @VickiePietz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@paketotoja5 this was before ancestry it was done in a private lab in canada

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@VickiePietz I got knocked off here twice, SO - That is so sad. People seem to have a yearning to know where they came from. I watch the old "Long Lost Family," shows on youtube when I need a good cry.

    • @patriciajrs46
      @patriciajrs46 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @ Vicki Pietz Where who came from? Are you ambiguous on purpose? Your answer doesn't make any sense.

    • @VickiePietz
      @VickiePietz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@patriciajrs46 my sister....we got to spend 3 wonderful weeks before she passed. We never found out who her birth parents were

  • @SM-tg5pi
    @SM-tg5pi 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

    John's Mike father was a cheater, then he pass that to Henry a cheater. Only Mike Jr. was normal.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      yeah - it skipped a generation. We can't forget the grandmas and moms either. They passed the kids off to their husbands as their own.

    • @mbmochinski
      @mbmochinski 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      It's possible that the women didn't know the father wasn't their husband. If they were having sex with both men at approximately the same time and the baby didn't have strong physical resemblances to the boyfriend, maybe you couldn't tell.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@mbmochinski True. She was married, so she picked the stable relationship. In both cases the other guy was married also.
      And, in the last affair, the woman had a job where she traveled, so she probably knew which guy was the father.

  • @bobjackson4720
    @bobjackson4720 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    It shows that women being unfaithful & screwing around is nothing new.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      It takes 2 to tango

    • @wandastevens3183
      @wandastevens3183 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      It also shows that men being unfaithful & screwing around too,is nothing new either mister...!!!

    • @bobjackson4720
      @bobjackson4720 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@wandastevens3183 Evidence suggest in today's world a much greater percentage of women screw around, compared with men.

    • @olivrzanty1532
      @olivrzanty1532 11 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@bobjackson4720 Sounds like a male fantasy.

  • @PatchworkUSA
    @PatchworkUSA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Unfortunately knowing this sort of thing has made me lose interest in building my family tree. I'm sure I'm fully related to the parents, siblings, grandparents, cousins, and great-grandparents I grew up knowing. But beyond them, and further generations back - who knows who might have had an affair? Also, the old records have errors or sometimes don't include the actual mother you are descended from. Ex. first wife who died but records only list second wife. And finally, something that will probably become more prevalent is the fact that people can have two sets of DNA in their body if, as an embryo, they were twins who fused into one baby. A DNA test could then say you aren't related to people that you are related to, depending on where in your body the DNA came from. Yikes! I throw up my hands! It's fun stuff, though - but with a grain of salt.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      So if a woman has fraternal twins, one dies, and the other absorbs the cells of the other twin - was that twin from a totally different man? I have 3 sisters who got their DNA tested and we show up with very similar DNA.
      I Have a g-grand father who had 3 wives. My g-grandmother was his third. I am totally related to his first wife's many children, I had to dig farther back to find them. Although, I have a picture of him with a son from his first wife.
      Lots of old records are incorrect. And lots of names are very common. We search out records from lots of sources. It's kind of a hobby. It takes hours of research, and most people aren't that interested. I have a huge family, and only a couple of others are interested, but not to the extent of doing much research.
      I stopped the family tree on my father's side for 2 years because I found so many skeletons in my father's closet. It took me 2 years to get over it. I was ready to chuck his whole side, BUT I calmed down and thought "Why throw the baby out with the bath water." & I'm back at it.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      and also unless some lab messed up the samples, if a woman has in vitro fertilization, the baby isn't her egg or babies aren't her eggs - is the only way the children wouldn't be related. If a person gets a DNA test and they don't share DNA centimorgans with other siblings, they were not from the same mother and father. That's just the way it is.

    • @PatchworkUSA
      @PatchworkUSA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@paketotoja5 Good question. All I know is that there have been a few cases where women had their kids taken away because DNA tests showed them as not related to their children. Then it turned out they were "chimeras" - having the DNA of a fraternal twin that didn't develop (in addition to their own DNA). I suppose the children all had the DNA of one twin while the blood or saliva from the mother had the other set of DNA. I know if one case they finally figured it out after three DNA tests and lab work. Thanks for posting your video! It was so interesting with all the details!

    • @PatchworkUSA
      @PatchworkUSA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I take back what I said about losing interest in the family tree. All I have to do is get together with my siblings or cousins and the interest in the family tree fires up again - big time!!! I guess genealogy is always interesting, no matter what!

    • @sharontabor7718
      @sharontabor7718 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      @@paketotoja5 The first and third wives could be siblings or cousins. That wasn't uncommon.

  • @shellc6743
    @shellc6743 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    Sooooo Slooooow

    • @kathe.o.
      @kathe.o. 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yada, yada, yada. The point is this stuff happened & happens. Why drag this stuff out. My Sister & I are half-sisters. Our Mama was married to both of our Dads. My Sister's Dad was killed in WWII, 4 years later my Daddy became her Daddy. We didn't have to do a DNA test to know our story. Besides as of this writing OUR Daddy is 98 years old, due to become 99 on January 6th. She is his POA & POA/M, I'm just the kid sister at 71. LOL!
      Point is love the family you have, be it full siblings, half siblings, adopted siblings, or just pretend siblings. Be grateful for what you have.

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@kathe.o. Everyone has a story, and everyone is entitled to search out their ancestors.

    • @DemsRinsane
      @DemsRinsane 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

      @@kathe.o. When you find out the truth sometimes you get more family to love. Some of us are the curios type and love finding out family history. Some people like to stay clueless... to each his own. 🙄

  • @Emy53
    @Emy53 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    So Henry had a secret too...

    • @paketotoja5
      @paketotoja5  2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      YES! Can you imagine how his 3 kids felt when they found out they had a half sister. She may not even be the only one. And, if he and his wife were still alive - WOW!