Not long after my father returned from WW-2, he was attempting to resume farming. A friend drove out to see him in a beautiful sky blue and black 28 Chevrolet that he’d bought from an old school teacher. Dad said the car was almost like new condition. His friend was hard up for some cash and offered to my father for $10! Dad said he would have loved to have it but he didn’t have $10…!!!
Hi Gary, what a fabulous memory. Oh man, could you imagine if you could grab one today for $10.00 in almost new condition? Thanks for sharing your memory of your father with us!
@@garyjoiner1335 I went to the dump a car scrap guy cutting scrap offered me a 32 ford roadster pickup 35$ I was 10 drove it around dad said not orth 35$ we watched him burn it up
My dad had a 28 chev he started to restore. The amount of wood work was overwhelming and it sat in the garage for over 20 years. When he moved the son of the man he originally bought it from ended up buying it back. Small world.
Thanks for showing the Chevy features. One day about 12 years ago, my neighbor, who is now in his mid 80’s, seeing my daily drivers were a ‘69 Cougar and ‘72 Luxury LeMans, told me he had something I might like. We walked over to his garage. He opened the door, pulled off a car cover - just a little bit- and there was a ‘27 Chevy touring car! It was in perfect condition. He said “This is the car I drove in High School (mid 1950’s). I’ve kept it all these years.” I was blown away. He had restored it in the 1980’s and used it as a parade car, but that car has remained in his garage for at least 30 years now. But I was never able to look at it in detail. So I appreciate seeing the mechanical detail aspects of a very similar car.
Hey Matt!!! That is Awesome! What a treasure to be able to hear his story & have him share his car with you. It is rare to find these cars in great condition. Plus, to hear the history behind the car is amazing! Thanks for sharing with us!
@@COPPERSTATETREASURES Yeah, I was amazed. I wish I could have seen more. What’s strange is, I also ran across another vintage Chevy in my earlier life. My girlfriend in HS, lived in a beautiful house, all stone, built in the 20’s. It had a separate stone garage. They never parked in the garage. I finally found out why. Her dad had either a ‘24 or ‘26 Chevy 2-door turtle-deck convertible in there. It was in pieces and he was slowly restoring it. Very slowly…I wonder if he ever finished it? I think it had been his dad’s. I remember thinking “wow, there’s a ton of Model T’s but this was the first time I’d ever seen a Chevy from this era”. My other thought was “If I end up marrying this girl, I’m gonna make sure the resto gets done!”. Your explanation of the wood construction is the reason why I had never seen one before.
@@ronmailloux8655 The 1928 Plymouth Q was initially sold as a Chrysler-Plymouth... meaning that it was sold as an entry-level Chrysler and not its own distinct brand until later. It was somewhat more expensive than both the Chevrolet and the Ford...but it was still considered a low price car. Sales were modest the first model year which began in June 1928. But Plymouth sales increased consecutively year after year during the Great Depression from 1928 to 1937 before declining during the 1938 Recession. Sales of new Fords drastically declined after the end of the Model A in early 1932. The price of the Plymouth decreased steadily after 1928 so by the early 1930s it was closer in price to both Chevrolet and Ford. Plymouth was the progressive low-priced car whereas Henry Ford wanted and often got the lowest priced car by resisting engineering upgrades.
I don't know how you can say that chevy was a better car than the Ford when time has proven you wrong even if you are blind as a bat that chevy is junk and was junk off the assembly line
@@charleswaynewright2042 I couldnt have said it better myself!The chevy cars were junk right off the line and remained so clear through the 80s.All one needs to do is look at how many Model As are still around..piles of them and its extremely rare to see anything with chevy wrote on it until the early 50s.The same can be said for Plymouths as well.Sure they made alot more Model As but there survival rate was much higher.Thats why you still see them everywhere.
Thanks for an excellent walk around and comparison of these two rival products. I am a Model T driver at Greenfield Village where we operate six Model Ts daily, giving tours of the Village that Henry Ford created in Dearborn, Michigan 95 years ago. I read every source of info I can find on this subject. You do nice work!
Really informative side by side comparison. The Chevy looks like an original condition driver. What a survivor! The Model A is ultra nice too. I'm glad some of these cars are still around to entertain and educate people. Thanks
My granfather bought his first new car, a Chevy of this era. He hated it. After he bought a new Pontiac every year with the trade in for 200 dollars until WW2. After he bought a new Pontiac every year through 1955. However, he did not get the 200 dollar deal after WW2. In 1955 he bought a Pontiac wagon with the new 267 V8. He loved it! He kept it until 1969 when he actually bought a new 1969 Chevy Malibu which I own today.
Hi Duncan. 👋 what wonderful memories. It’s so great that you were able to keep his last car. The 1969 Malibu Chevy is also one of my favorites. Have a wonderful day!
My mom had absolutely no car sense, but she worked for the owner of a car dealer and asked him what was a good dependable car. She purchased a new 1974 Chevy Malibu. Just after she made her last payment, my sister was in an accident and totaled the car. But that was a nice dependable car.
That was well done and very interesting to me. I hadn't seen a close up like that of the 28 Chev. My Dad, 14 at the time, and his older brother, 16, were working in a lumber mill, and went together in the purchase of a new 28 Chev. So you've given me a good look at what they had, and what they had to contend with. I don't think the car lasted very well, though it's hard to imagine why. Only two young drivers, "unimproved" country roads, severe winters - what could possibly go wrong?
@@COPPERSTATETREASURES Wayell, then, here are some more. My uncle told me he had wished he could take his grandfather, who'd made a big impression on him in early childhood, for a ride in that Chev, to see if he could scare him, "but he was too sick." And Dad said they and some co-workers were making haste in it, so as not to be late for work, hit a bump, and one of the rear seat occupants hit his head on the roof. (He was probably OK, the roof being soft, unless he fetched up on a bow.) I have a 1930 licence plate that I think Dad said was from that car. I'm guessing he kept it because of the number - 6886.
Oh man.. the cars can be very bumpy to ride in.. hitting your head is very easy to do.. that’s wonderful that your Dad kept the license plate. You know they are rare & hard to find the originals. Thank you for sharing these memories with us.
A few years back I spotted this older gent in a 1930 chevy two door coupe. It was near a burger joint not going to say which drive through. He told me it took him 10 years to restore because of the wood and resulting rust and rot. They sing about the hot rod ford but not the rot a lot chevy. Nice looking car he had after all that time.....thanks for the video.
I was told that the length from the rear of engine to front of water pump was shorter on small block Chevy than ford small blocks and fit in nicer with no firewall hacking. Was one reason they got popular in putting in them. I personally prefer ford in ford. But Chevy engines were a dime a dozen and were good throw away engines.
This is just something I noticed. On your car, the ignition is on the dash. From my knowledge of that year, the original ignition is the lever on the steering column. Really cool car though.
The "after-market" coil you pointed was first used on 1941 Chevrolets and is correct for that year and, I believe, through 1948.. It is original production part and is not considered an "after-market" coil. It was merely a later model Chevrolet coil. Just nitpicking you a bit. I enjoyed the comparison video. Thanks for posting.
Thanx for you review...very informative...wood rot was the demise of many old cars, plus the war scrap drives. Still prefer the plymouth of the low price 3...more car for a slightly higher price.
My dad had a ‘27 Chevrolet and said you could break a rear axle by letting the clutch out too quickly. He got rid of it before the constant repairs made him go broke. Became an Oldsmobile man soon after.
Hi Edward, thanks for coming by! I have heard many people say the same, that they switched to Oldsmobile. We love hearing about the older cars people had. Thanks for sharing your Dad with us!
Thanks for a very informative video. I helped a friend in high school restore a model A 30+ years ago as his daily driver. Going anywhere in that was always a adventure. I've never seen a 28 Chevy outside of a museum.
Hi T Tyler. Thank you so much for coming by! The Model A's are really fun to drive. The Chevy we bought many years ago off a local company. They used to use it as advertising in front of their building. The company is called "Truly Nolen". For years we called it the Truly Nolen Car.
Hi William! Thank you for watching today! The 1928 Chevy Tourer are stunning! I would love to get one too! Keep saving & you can do it!!! Have a wonderful day!
Thanks for that video, I have the same model survivor '28 Chevy as yours, it seems to get much more attention than other similar makes at shows because it's so rare. It is a heavy body, but that helps give a smooth ride. Most 'experts' say that the top speed of these is 45 mph, but that's just the sensible cruising speed. The owners manual says 60 mph, I once had mine up to 61 mph (digital speedo) on a level road, but that was way too scary to ever try again!
That Model A 4 cylinder had 200 cubic inches, bigger than the 195 cubic inch Chevy six. it also was geared 3.73 which was very low for that era, gave it higher top end vs. the Chevy's 4:11.
@@jazzvictrola7104 That is only a 9.6% difference in gearing, assuming the same size rolling diameter of the wheels. The Chevrolet is likely to rev higher, due to smaller cylinders and overhead valves. It was also more powerful, so is actually likely to give a higher top speed
I have a Chevy 1927 full engine, clutch transmission assembly, pedals, first universal joint gearbox exit. All original, engine rotates, includes dynamo dc electricity generator even has original v-belt. Inherited from my grandfather, he always drove Chevy's. Around 1926, 1927 only some 15-20 Chevy's imported in Netherlands, this is one of them. Have here in Texas, for sale for real sincere collector.
Thank you very much. I found this very educational and interesting. I would love either but I do think the Ford is a more beautiful car. Just little details that set it off more for me.
I had a 1953 Jaguar XK120 that had a graphite throw out bearing. It had enough friction, the idle speed would drop a bit when the clutch was depressed.
@@michaelbenardo5695 This fact alone demonstrates how much better American cars were than their British cousins. The Brits seemed to bow to the superior, high tech designs kite DOHC, and ignored the simple stuff. And where is the British car industry today, basically dead.
In the 1950s I had a 1932 Ford Model B (basically a Model A with the same 4 cylinder engine) and my brother had a 1926 Chevy, Neither one was used on the road. Mine started even when the car was covered with snow. The Chevy had a lot of problems with the vacuum fuel system, but going around a sharp corner was a real thrill as the wood-framed body creaked and leaned as if it was about to collapse. The Chey's wooden=spoked wheels were also a novelty. Several of our friends learned to drive in my Model B, a good little car.
I am always fascinated by the model B. It was a great car with all the upgrades from the model A. I have always felt it has been over shadowed by the ford V8
Hi Bill, Thank you so much for stopping by! Tim has replied to you below. We love hearing all the wonderful memories people have of their old cars. Have a great day!
This is a very informative video especially for those of us who enjoy getting into the deep details of a specific automobile. My only complaint is that you didn't complete some of segments to their very end. It was kind of frustrating to watch where you were cut off before completing your explanations and moving onto the next segment. I guess this was done to limit the video length but still, thanks for posting, very informative.
The fords got to be my pick. Simple engine, Simple design and nothing that it doesn't need. Although the iconic straight 6 that chevy came out with Is one of my favorite engines!
If I had to pick one it would be either Plymouth or Ford surely wouldn't be a Chevrolet the way the Chevrolet looks it looks over engineered too much new technology that has not been tested or tried out it looks way too complicated for the conditions that it was used in not to mention all the wood in it no wonder they didn't survive they were basically junk people probably couldn't afford to fix them and they rotted away
@@12345678989814 The 28 Chevy was a good car, much better than the 26. It was not really new technology. Chevrolets have always had overhead valves, not just this one. But the Ford's and Plymouth's all-steel bodies were a huge plus.
Now, I know why my dad disliked(despised) Chevrolet so much. We always had a early Ford around to piddle on when I grew up, until 1957, then North Carolina passed a law that ALL vehicles were required to have insurance(liability), so a lot of the sit around s had to go and they went. Just when I was 14 years old. Dang it.
Thank you for sharing your memories of your Father with us. We also have been mostly a Ford family. Here & there we have purchased Chevys. So much history in these old cars, we love hearing peoples stories of their memories growing up.
Regarding the vacuum-operated windshield wipers, we had a '57 Ford with those things that I learned stick-shift on. Under acceleration the vacuum from the manifold would drop and the wipers would pretty much come to a standstill, then wipe frantically when you took your foot off the gas to shift gears. Driving away from an intersection in heavy rain was always a "flying blind" adventure on and off 'till you got to 3rd gear and were just motoring along.
Wow.. that must been scary.. love these stories comments everyone is sharing.. thank you so much. I could visualize as I was reading your comment. Have a great day!
I really enjoyed your apples to apples comparison ! A very rare look back in time to something most folks were aware of when these were commonplace. I think it would be great to see all kinds of comparisons like what you have here across direct competing vehicles of same year vintages. Very interesting indeed! :-)
great video thank you! with the gas tank in the rear, did the chevy need a fuel pump? I am having a tough time aligning the doors on our model A..I noticed yours are perfect..did the chevy have a better system of aligning the doors vs the model A?
The Chevy had that vacuum fuel pump/tank. It works pretty well. The doors however on the Chevy have been a bit of a nightmare. They tend to sag because of the wooden frame
If you have an early Model A, the door hinges screw into wood, and those are hard to get tight. If the hinges are loose, take the upholstery panels off and either replace the wood, or drill all the way through the wood and switch to machine screws so you can use nuts on the far side of the wood. Once the hinges are tight (not a problem on most '30 and '31 because they use more steel and less wood), aligning the doors is done by putting shims between the frame and the body bolts. Think of it as having the door fixed in place and you are raiding or lowering the body to line up with the doors. Not as hard as it sounds because those body bolts are pretty easy to access. It was also all body-style dependent. A '31 Fordor (yes, that's the right spelling) was mostly metal, but a '31 Victoria was still just a thin metal shell around wood.
The Model A was the first car to use shock absorbers. So, it still had the wobbly single-spring on each axle, but at least there was some small attempt to dampen the motion.
I'm looking at purchasing a 28 chevy national that runs great and the wood looks to be in good shape. I have zero experience with antique cars so is there anything particular I should be looking for to be cautious about?
Great question. Just off the top of my head I would want to check out the rear brake drums since they wear more than the front. The throw out bearing on the transmission clutch because they are graphite and tend to break apart(sorry that one is hard to get to). Make sure the wood that the door hinges are bolted to is in good shape because its hard to repair, when you open the doors you can lift them a little to see if the hinges are tight. Beware of cracks in the engine block or head. This is a common problem. They are great cars, I hope you can get it!
Love this video comparison. The most surprising thing to me was hearing that Chevrolet sold twice as many cars in 1928 compared to Ford! No wonder Henry shut down production and tooled up for the Model A - Ford was being badly beaten in sales. Since the Model A had great parts interchangeability from 1927 onward, and almost all steel construction, it's no wonder so many Model A's still exist. That era from '27 to '29 set the general layout and technology of American cars for decades to come.
On the 28 Chevy. There was no ignition switch on the dash panel from the factory. The one you have is added. The original one is the one that locks the steering column. Behind the dash panel where the lever is is the original ignition switch box the lever connects to. The lever is on and off for the electrical system. Also on the valves on the head the felt pad is added. No pad from the factory. The 4 holes are supposed to direct oil in channels to oil all the rockers. Don't rely on it. I always pop off my valve cover and oil the three places on each rocker with a drop. The pockets the valve springs sit in are supposed to have oil in them. the extra oil that runs into there also lubes the valve stems, The extra oil on the other side runs down the push rod to oil the lifter from the top side. I own a 28 2 door like yours and a 29 Model A Roadster Pickup. It is fun to compare those two cars! My Dad also has a 28 Chevy Landau Coupe and a 29 Tudor. So been around both of those car since the early 60s.
Hi Bob, thank you for the information! Very helpful. I always enjoy hearing about other peoples treasures. Thank you for sharing with us! Have a wonderful day!
That was fascinating! I knew the Chevy outsold the Model A, yet there are far more Model A Fords alive today. This sheds some light on the mystery. If I was new car shopping in 1928, I might have bought Chevrolet, but if I was shopping a few years later for an inexpensive used car I could maintain I’d have gone for the 1928 Ford Model A.
Hi Lane. Thanks so much for stopping by & the great comment! I have to agree with you. The more we get involved with the older Fords the more we fall in love with them. We do plan on restoring the Chevy though. Have a wonderful day!
The Model A was around 6 months late for the model year, due to difficulties with production starting up, all new tooling in factory, all new parts tooling, and training workers new procedures, all things Ford had not had to do since 1908. Had the A come out when first expected, do you think that might have had a positive effect on the sales numbers?
I came into existence in the 70s and while I always be particular to the decade prior, those real old first timers fascinate me. Often wondered what the early competition among the big three was like.
Yes, a lot has changed over the years.. The Ford motor, is was much simpler to work on many years ago too. As we developed with vehicle improvements & learning about safety, you are right so many more changes have happened through the years on cars. Thank you so much for your continued support! Much appreciated.
The Chevy looks identical to the Ford... even an oval around the chevy emblem. This had to of made Henry Ford pretty mad😄 Absolutely awesome vehicles, beautiful pieces of history.🙌✌
The headlight rings look super easy to machine. The bar or sheet stock may be expensive depending on the thickness, but any machine shop could make them for you.
My father's first car was a 1931 Plymouth, purchased used, which had it all over a 1931 Model A. From the same size 4 cylinder engine, the Plymouth had 40% more power, 56 vs. 40 in the A. The Plymouth engine had balanced internal moving parts, and was on rubber engine mounts, allowing it to rev higher and run smoother. Top speed was a bit over 70 mph, about 10 more than the Model A. The Plymouth could cruise all day at 50-55 mph, while the Model A wasn't comfortable above a steady 45 mph. Above 55 mph Model A driver was taking his life in his hands. The Plymouth also had hydraulic brakes. Ford stayed with the Model T too long and went from Nr. 1 in sales in 1924 to Nr 2 in sales and red ink by 1926. By 1935 Ford had dropped to Nr. 3 in sales behind Chrysler. Ford did not regain the Nr. 2 rank in sales until 1953.
I would love to get my hands on one of those old Plymouths. Thank you for sharing your insight & story about your dad. We love hearing other peoples memories about cars in their families. 👍
@@COPPERSTATETREASURES Mustie 1 just did two videos on a 1930 Plymouth that had been sitting for decades. He was only tasked with getting it running, Once he sorted it out, it ran very well for a 90+ year old car.
I've done about 65mph in a Model A (according to the speedo of the car following me). Despite it being a fresh rebuild with no extra slack in anything, it felt pretty sketchy. It definitely isn't excited about cruising anywhere at that speed. In 1928 there just weren't many roads on which you could do that speed in any car, except in a few of the biggest cities.
@@brianhaygood183 Fresh rebuild with no extra slack? Yes, it could get close to that speed, but very few of the Model A's were like that coming new off the assembly line. 62 mph was a more realistic number. I mentioned in my original post that the Model A was not comfortable cruising above a steady 45 mph, and that above 55 mph, the driver was taking his life in his hands.
2:55 Steering wheel lock might be more safety device at those time? When car was parked in down hill, it kept wheel against sidewalk edge or prevents child turn steering.
It is amazing that some manufactures chose to keep vacuum windshield wipers for so long when electric wipers were clearly superior. When I was in high school in 1968 a classmate of mine had I believe a 1947 Plymouth or Dodge with vacuum wipers. When you really needed them in climbing a hill or under acceleration they virtually came to a stop. I am not sure if this was a cost saving measure, but this old system was not very good. Thanks for the interesting comparison.
From 1932 to 1956 Chevy out sold Ford, until 57 Chevrolet had a huge assembly plant to burn down, amd they couldnt produce enuff to sale...Nowadays when you go to car shows and cruise ins, you hardly ever see a 57 Ford, but you will always see a 57 Chevy...Why?...The difference in quality,.Fords didnt last as long and went almost straight to the scrap yards, within 5 years, but the Chevys lasted
The answer is NOT very close. The designs of the 1928 Dodge were far more elegant and rationalized than Ford with it's small car design implement. Unfortunately everyone's idea of a 1920s car scene is these short cars on wood spoke wheels, forgetting about all the other companies that were way more common than people give them credit for (infact, there's a much smaller amount of Model Ts than every other passenger vehicle). If you looked at a prim proper car in 1928, you would see a hood twice/three times, the length of the Model A, and a passenger hardtop cabin around or almost twice the length of a Ford model A cabin. Wheel sizes far larger, sitting up nice with plenty of ground clearance, and much MUCH more in the realm of luxury design. Gardner, Velie, Hudson, Cole, Nash, Hupmobile, Wills Saintclaire, Elcar. These all were lengthy big bus sedans with two tone bodies, two tone roof and body, two tone fender to body, or a huge combination of the three like with Ruxton. Tons of color choices from purple lake to midnight royal green (early pearlescent color). Sedan body sizes ranged from Ajax and Ford, all the way to Stutz and Gardner well over the 210 inch mark (Gardner sedan had a 8 passenger that was 232 inches). So to answer your question more, the 1928 Dodge met it's own interesting form of luxury design, though it was already known as a semi luxury vehicle in the 1910s and 1920s. It's first production model offered a enclosed limousine for 1914. Which only 50+ companies had done thus far. Compared to the 400 car companies in America at the time; yes, 400.
niice job. I remember growing up wondering why people didn't hot rod Chevies more. They always said because they have so much wood in the body. They weren't; kidding. Have you done one comparing the Chrysler products? That old 6 of theirs was a mainstay. Also. I've never been impressed with he performance of the ford v8. heavy, burned a lot of gas and it seems the chevy 6 had more torque at the lower end.
Thank you for the great tour of two fine cars. My first car, in 1959, was a '29 Model A Tudor. It came with a cracked head but the owner included a good head ready for me to install. Eventually I got it right. One question--what are the scroll-like devices visible in the Chevy intake ports?
Hi Hopelessand. Thank you so much for watching. Tim is checking on your question for you. Wow what a wonderful car the 29 Model A Tudor. I bet that one was fun to drive!
Ive been searching for an accurate answer to what they are. I always assumed they were some type of diffusers for the vaporized fuel. Maybe to help more even distribution throughout the intake ports. When that engine is working well it is very smooth and quiet at idle. You wouldnt think its a 4 cylinder engine
@@Hopeless_and_Forlorn I did talk to someone a little more knowledgeable then I am and he thought that they would help heat the intake to keep the fuel vaporized which makes sense because the water jacket goes around that area if the head.
great video thanks! did chevy have a 1927 model to compete with the model A or was it cought off guard? do you know when chevy first came out with a competing model?
I know the 1927 chevy was similar to the 1928 but it had a weaker engine. The 1927 chevy definitely had more power than the 1927 model T. The 1927 chevy had wheel brakes but they were only on the rear
Hi Fed!!! Thanks so much for watching. CopperstateBassets is our other channel. That was Tim (the guy in the video) responding to you. Thanks for watching & have a great day!
The 28 to 31 Ford cabriolet had wood subframe and doors like this Chevrolet, it was one of the most expensive model A trim and supposedly more confortable and silent compare to an all steel car.
Hi Miss Southern Belle, thank you so much for stopping by! These cars are so much fun to ride in. I wished you lived near by, I would come pick you up for a Sunday Cruise!!!
My late father purchased a Chevrolet of that vintage (29-32) as it had the 6cyl and as he said "would walk away from the Ford". His next Ford was a '36. Thanks for sharing. Narragansett Bay
Very interesting material. I didn’t know why Chevrolets from that era are so rare today. What I noted was the Chevy 4-banger was not just an OHV, but cross flow to boot. Then I remembered that Louis Chevrolet was a racer before getting recruited to having a car named after him. iIRC, LC raced, among other things, Ford Model Ts with OHV head conversions ( did he also manufacture a cylinder head conversion or am I confusing him with Zora’s Arden heads?). The Model A was was not necessarily cutting edge when they were introduced, but they were durable and easy to maintain - as evidenced by the fact that survivors are plentiful. I remember reading that in the 30s, the Model A was one of the quickest cars from zero to 30 mph.
It always seemed to me that Ford was simply catching up with the rest of the industry with the model A. He was ahead of the industry in 1908 with the model T and again in 1932 with the V8 block
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Yes. Louis did make a OHV head for the T. Called the Frontenac, Fords with this head were raced very successfully, and were nicknamed "Fronty-Fords". Many aftermarket cylinder heads were made for Models T, and A, and the B ('32), and C ('33), 4 cylinder options available for the thrifty buyer, who didn't want a V8. (Takes all kinds). 😎👍
@@ramblerdave1339 Thanks! You jogged my memory. I couldn’t remember the name of the heads. Can you imagine building a T speedster that would run over 100mph with two wheel brakes. My late granddad used to talk about souping up his Ts with stock heads and could get 60 out of them with full bodies on dirt roads.
The reason you adjust valve clearance is mainly to increase clearance as the valves start to pocket with wear . So many people are under the false impression it's to quieten the valve train.This maybe the case on occasion.If you loose clearance you will loose compression. I am a retired mechanic. I have herd some mechanics tell a customer they did not adjust valves as they were not noisy.
That's heavily dependent upon the engine. On some engines you lose clearance due to wear. On others you lose clearance because the valves stretch over time. The noise is a common symptom. If the engine is running fine and there is no noise, then it is pretty unlikely you need a valve adjustment badly. Not as thorough as actually checking the clearances, but it is a reasonable first assessment.
@@brianhaygood183 I am a indentured mechanic with over 50 years experience. Rocker arms are off set to the valve stem very slightly which has the effect of causing the valves to rotate. We used to put lead in fuel to cushion the valves when closing, the lead also lubricated the valve stem.It was also a way of controlling the octane rating. A combination of the valves closing with force and the valve rotating causes the valve to pocket thus closing the valve clearance. this is the reason we put stelite valves and seats into these old cars and motorcycles.Also if the clearance becomes too tight it will cause the valves and or seat to burn.
I took my drivers test in my dads '31 model A... TWICE! The car decided it wasn't going to run well the first try and when the guy grading you has to push you don't pass. A week later the old girl said ok kid I'll let you have it this time. That was 1991.
And my sister complained about taking her driver's test in our dad's 1963 Studebaker Cruiser in 1987. He gave her a 1966 red Mustang with a white top for her birthday. She traded it for a Corolla because "it attracted the wrong kind of guy" apparently.
At about the same time, 27 - 29, there was a fella up in Minnesota named Pietenpol who designed a great home built airplane that is still being reproduced today. The plane could be powered by the Ford Model A engine or the Chevrolet engine with one condition given, if you use a Chevy engine you were advised to never leave the vicinity of the airfield. That would settle it for me.
Thank you so much for watching our video today! If you like to see the Ford Model T VS. Ford Model A you can check it out here. th-cam.com/video/Y4kpj-Hy9bk/w-d-xo.html Have a Great day!
Lots and lots of old old Fords still on the road ❤
Not long after my father returned from WW-2, he was attempting to resume farming. A friend drove out to see him in a beautiful sky blue and black 28 Chevrolet that he’d bought from an old school teacher. Dad said the car was almost like new condition. His friend was hard up for some cash and offered to my father for $10! Dad said he would have loved to have it but he didn’t have $10…!!!
Hi Gary, what a fabulous memory. Oh man, could you imagine if you could grab one today for $10.00 in almost new condition? Thanks for sharing your memory of your father with us!
@@garyjoiner1335 I went to the dump a car scrap guy cutting scrap offered me a 32 ford roadster pickup 35$ I was 10 drove it around dad said not orth 35$ we watched him burn it up
My dad had a 28 chev he started to restore.
The amount of wood work was overwhelming and it sat in the garage for over 20 years.
When he moved the son of the man he originally bought it from ended up buying it back.
Small world.
Thank you for sharing your story about the Chevy. Yes a very small world. We are still trying to get ours restored. So much work still to do.
Thanks for showing the Chevy features. One day about 12 years ago, my neighbor, who is now in his mid 80’s, seeing my daily drivers were a ‘69 Cougar and ‘72 Luxury LeMans, told me he had something I might like. We walked over to his garage. He opened the door, pulled off a car cover - just a little bit- and there was a ‘27 Chevy touring car! It was in perfect condition. He said “This is the car I drove in High School (mid 1950’s). I’ve kept it all these years.” I was blown away. He had restored it in the 1980’s and used it as a parade car, but that car has remained in his garage for at least 30 years now. But I was never able to look at it in detail. So I appreciate seeing the mechanical detail aspects of a very similar car.
Hey Matt!!! That is Awesome! What a treasure to be able to hear his story & have him share his car with you. It is rare to find these cars in great condition. Plus, to hear the history behind the car is amazing! Thanks for sharing with us!
@@COPPERSTATETREASURES Yeah, I was amazed. I wish I could have seen more. What’s strange is, I also ran across another vintage Chevy in my earlier life. My girlfriend in HS, lived in a beautiful house, all stone, built in the 20’s. It had a separate stone garage. They never parked in the garage. I finally found out why. Her dad had either a ‘24 or ‘26 Chevy 2-door turtle-deck convertible in there. It was in pieces and he was slowly restoring it. Very slowly…I wonder if he ever finished it? I think it had been his dad’s. I remember thinking “wow, there’s a ton of Model T’s but this was the first time I’d ever seen a Chevy from this era”. My other thought was “If I end up marrying this girl, I’m gonna make sure the resto gets done!”. Your explanation of the wood construction is the reason why I had never seen one before.
Just like Harley, garage is agood place for a chevy
Love these old cars
The 1928 Plymouth Q had superior engineering to both the Ford and Chevrolet. The Willys Whippet was another low priced competitor.
yes they had the better car over all but perhaps not the production numbers ? Wonder how it compared in price?
@@ronmailloux8655 The 1928 Plymouth Q was initially sold as a Chrysler-Plymouth... meaning that it was sold as an entry-level Chrysler and not its own distinct brand until later. It was somewhat more expensive than both the Chevrolet and the Ford...but it was still considered a low price car. Sales were modest the first model year which began in June 1928. But Plymouth sales increased consecutively year after year during the Great Depression from 1928 to 1937 before declining during the 1938 Recession. Sales of new Fords drastically declined after the end of the Model A in early 1932. The price of the Plymouth decreased steadily after 1928 so by the early 1930s it was closer in price to both Chevrolet and Ford. Plymouth was the progressive low-priced car whereas Henry Ford wanted and often got the lowest priced car by resisting engineering upgrades.
I don't know how you can say that chevy was a better car than the Ford when time has proven you wrong even if you are blind as a bat that chevy is junk and was junk off the assembly line
@@charleswaynewright2042 I couldnt have said it better myself!The chevy cars were junk right off the line and remained so clear through the 80s.All one needs to do is look at how many Model As are still around..piles of them and its extremely rare to see anything with chevy wrote on it until the early 50s.The same can be said for Plymouths as well.Sure they made alot more Model As but there survival rate was much higher.Thats why you still see them everywhere.
@@SpockvsMcCoy Wasn't that first Plymouth, the Model Q, sold as a 1929 model car?
Thanks for an excellent walk around and comparison of these two rival products. I am a Model T driver at Greenfield Village where we operate six Model Ts daily, giving tours of the Village that Henry Ford created in Dearborn, Michigan 95 years ago. I read every source of info I can find on this subject. You do nice work!
That is wonderful. Someday we would like to come there. We are in Phoenix AZ. That must be a great job to have.
Good video . I would love to see the car fully restored. But as a Model A guy , i think the A is better designed car .
Really informative side by side comparison. The Chevy looks like an original condition driver. What a survivor! The Model A is ultra nice too. I'm glad some of these cars are still around to entertain and educate people. Thanks
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My granfather bought his first new car, a Chevy of this era. He hated it. After he bought a new Pontiac every year with the trade in for 200 dollars until WW2. After he bought a new Pontiac every year through 1955. However, he did not get the 200 dollar deal after WW2. In 1955 he bought a Pontiac wagon with the new 267 V8. He loved it! He kept it until 1969 when he actually bought a new 1969 Chevy Malibu which I own today.
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My mom had absolutely no car sense, but she worked for the owner of a car dealer and asked him what was a good dependable car. She purchased a new 1974 Chevy Malibu. Just after she made her last payment, my sister was in an accident and totaled the car. But that was a nice dependable car.
@@kfl611 Shame your sister did that. Lots of cars are killed that way.
We had a 1969 Malibu, yellow with a black vinyl top. Was a wonderful car.
@@albundy8052 Al Bundy?
Thanks for sharing. A little choppy with the editing. I got the feeling that there were details left out when one frame cut into the other.
Thanks for the tips!
Love the Chevy's bigger fenders....smooth with the big arch.
That was a cool video
Thanks
Oh, forgot to say, love the video, very informative!
This was a good comparison side by side. I ove these kinds of videos. Thank you.
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The model T with the low mounted fuel tank, is why some folks had to back up steep hills, to keep the fuel level above the carb.
This was also before gas tanks had baffling in them
This was a wonderfully informative video. Thanks for sharing!
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That was well done and very interesting to me. I hadn't seen a close up like that of the 28 Chev. My Dad, 14 at the time, and his older brother, 16, were working in a lumber mill, and went together in the purchase of a new 28 Chev. So you've given me a good look at what they had, and what they had to contend with. I don't think the car lasted very well, though it's hard to imagine why. Only two young drivers, "unimproved" country roads, severe winters - what could possibly go wrong?
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@@COPPERSTATETREASURES Wayell, then, here are some more. My uncle told me he had wished he could take his grandfather, who'd made a big impression on him in early childhood, for a ride in that Chev, to see if he could scare him, "but he was too sick." And Dad said they and some co-workers were making haste in it, so as not to be late for work, hit a bump, and one of the rear seat occupants hit his head on the roof. (He was probably OK, the roof being soft, unless he fetched up on a bow.) I have a 1930 licence plate that I think Dad said was from that car. I'm guessing he kept it because of the number - 6886.
Oh man.. the cars can be very bumpy to ride in.. hitting your head is very easy to do.. that’s wonderful that your Dad kept the license plate. You know they are rare & hard to find the originals. Thank you for sharing these memories with us.
"Teenagers" didn't exist then. It was a term that came along after the second world war. They would have been considered young men.
@@penelopepurr OK, fixed it.
Ive always been a Chevy guy so thanks for showing an older chevy i never got to see b4
Great comparison. Oiling that Chevy through the valve cover would be a royal pain. I'm sure that discouraged many prospective buyers.
Well said! Thanks for watching.
A few years back I spotted this older gent in a 1930 chevy two door coupe. It was near a burger joint not going to say which drive through. He told me it took him 10 years to restore because of the wood and resulting rust and rot. They sing about the hot rod ford but not the rot a lot chevy. Nice looking car he had after all that time.....thanks for the video.
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And every 99 out of 100 hot rod fords have a small block chevy in them.
@@bigblocklawyer yeah many did but many had the souped up flat head too point is the body lasted longer on the fords
@@bigblocklawyer only because they’re cheaper! Real ford guys don’t destroy a ford by doing that
I was told that the length from the rear of engine to front of water pump was shorter on small block Chevy than ford small blocks and fit in nicer with no firewall hacking. Was one reason they got popular in putting in them. I personally prefer ford in ford. But Chevy engines were a dime a dozen and were good throw away engines.
I had a friend who's dad had a '28 chevy, it was a truck though, in his garage that never got restored, he had a Willy's delivery too.
Excellent! Thanks.22 years later Chevy still had vacuum powered wipers.😀
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Came by and caught this one in full !
Love the old cars !
Thanks for sharing !
Thanks for the video. Yep, the ol' Chevys just sat and the wood rotted away, while the Model A's were out rippin' around...
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Except the wood framed Fords were rotting away as well.
This is just something I noticed. On your car, the ignition is on the dash. From my knowledge of that year, the original ignition is the lever on the steering column. Really cool car though.
Thanks for the update
interesting to see & hear the inside story....
Very weird how you cut off half your sentences through editing. Loved the two car comparison though.
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Looking forward to this my friend
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Great video, very informative and well presented. Thanks for sharing!
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The "after-market" coil you pointed was first used on 1941 Chevrolets and is correct for that year and, I believe, through 1948.. It is original production part and is not considered an "after-market" coil. It was merely a later model Chevrolet coil. Just nitpicking you a bit. I enjoyed the comparison video. Thanks for posting.
Thanx for you review...very informative...wood rot was the demise of many old cars, plus the war scrap drives. Still prefer the plymouth of the low price 3...more car for a slightly higher price.
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In that era most cars lasted 7 to 10 years.
My dad had a ‘27 Chevrolet and said you could break a rear axle by letting the clutch out too quickly. He got rid of it before the constant repairs made him go broke. Became an Oldsmobile man soon after.
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The Clampett's truck was a 1921 Oldsmobile in The Beverly Hillbillies.
you can break axles easy yes, however i scarcely hear of anything else ever going wrong with a 27
Thanks for a very informative video. I helped a friend in high school restore a model A 30+ years ago as his daily driver. Going anywhere in that was always a adventure. I've never seen a 28 Chevy outside of a museum.
Hi T Tyler. Thank you so much for coming by! The Model A's are really fun to drive. The Chevy we bought many years ago off a local company. They used to use it as advertising in front of their building. The company is called "Truly Nolen". For years we called it the Truly Nolen Car.
Awesome Video! im 17 and my dream car is a 1928 Chevrolet tourer!
Hi William! Thank you for watching today! The 1928 Chevy Tourer are stunning! I would love to get one too! Keep saving & you can do it!!! Have a wonderful day!
Excellent video.
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Thanks for that video, I have the same model survivor '28 Chevy as yours, it seems to get much more attention than other similar makes at shows because it's so rare. It is a heavy body, but that helps give a smooth ride. Most 'experts' say that the top speed of these is 45 mph, but that's just the sensible cruising speed. The owners manual says 60 mph, I once had mine up to 61 mph (digital speedo) on a level road, but that was way too scary to ever try again!
That Model A 4 cylinder had 200 cubic inches, bigger than the 195 cubic inch Chevy six. it also was geared 3.73 which was very low for that era, gave it higher top end vs. the Chevy's 4:11.
@@jazzvictrola7104 That is only a 9.6% difference in gearing, assuming the same size rolling diameter of the wheels. The Chevrolet is likely to rev higher, due to smaller cylinders and overhead valves. It was also more powerful, so is actually likely to give a higher top speed
I have a Chevy 1927 full engine, clutch transmission assembly, pedals, first universal joint gearbox exit. All original, engine rotates, includes dynamo dc electricity generator even has original v-belt. Inherited from my grandfather, he always drove Chevy's. Around 1926, 1927 only some 15-20 Chevy's imported in Netherlands, this is one of them. Have here in Texas, for sale for real sincere collector.
I hope your parts find a good home. I have 3 spare 1928 engines Im thinking about selling myself
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Impressive!
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That was great info i have 2 1928 chevys 1 roadster 1 ab national tourer.
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Thank you very much. I found this very educational and interesting. I would love either but I do think the Ford is a more beautiful car. Just little details that set it off more for me.
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I had a 1953 Jaguar XK120 that had a graphite throw out bearing. It had enough friction, the idle speed would drop a bit when the clutch was depressed.
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Foreign cars as late as the 60s had a graphite throw-out. Traditional American cars are the best for the money.
@@michaelbenardo5695 This fact alone demonstrates how much better American cars were than their British cousins. The Brits seemed to bow to the superior, high tech designs kite DOHC, and ignored the simple stuff. And where is the British car industry today, basically dead.
In the 1950s I had a 1932 Ford Model B (basically a Model A with the same 4 cylinder engine) and my brother had a 1926 Chevy, Neither one was used on the road. Mine started even when the car was covered with snow. The Chevy had a lot of problems with the vacuum fuel system, but going around a sharp corner was a real thrill as the wood-framed body creaked and leaned as if it was about to collapse. The Chey's wooden=spoked wheels were also a novelty. Several of our friends learned to drive in my Model B, a good little car.
I am always fascinated by the model B. It was a great car with all the upgrades from the model A. I have always felt it has been over shadowed by the ford V8
Thank you Tim.
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Nice breakdown of the engines.
Glad you like them!
This is a very informative video especially for those of us who enjoy getting into the deep details of a specific automobile. My only complaint is that you didn't complete some of segments to their very end. It was kind of frustrating to watch where you were cut off before completing your explanations and moving onto the next segment. I guess this was done to limit the video length but still, thanks for posting, very informative.
Thank you for watching. Sorry about the chopping part. Hoping to get more up on some of the parts that were missed.
The fords got to be my pick. Simple engine, Simple design and nothing that it doesn't need. Although the iconic straight 6 that chevy came out with Is one of my favorite engines!
The 1928 Plymouth Q and 1929 Plymouth U have superior engineering to the Ford.
If I had to pick one it would be either Plymouth or Ford surely wouldn't be a Chevrolet the way the Chevrolet looks it looks over engineered too much new technology that has not been tested or tried out it looks way too complicated for the conditions that it was used in not to mention all the wood in it no wonder they didn't survive they were basically junk people probably couldn't afford to fix them and they rotted away
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@@12345678989814 The 28 Chevy was a good car, much better than the 26. It was not really new technology. Chevrolets have always had overhead valves, not just this one. But the Ford's and Plymouth's all-steel bodies were a huge plus.
Now, I know why my dad disliked(despised) Chevrolet so much. We always had a early Ford around to piddle on when I grew up, until 1957, then North Carolina passed a law that ALL vehicles were required to have insurance(liability), so a lot of the sit around s had to go and they went. Just when I was 14 years old. Dang it.
Thank you for sharing your memories of your Father with us. We also have been mostly a Ford family. Here & there we have purchased Chevys. So much history in these old cars, we love hearing peoples stories of their memories growing up.
Regarding the vacuum-operated windshield wipers, we had a '57 Ford with those things that I learned stick-shift on. Under acceleration the vacuum from the manifold would drop and the wipers would pretty much come to a standstill, then wipe frantically when you took your foot off the gas to shift gears. Driving away from an intersection in heavy rain was always a "flying blind" adventure on and off 'till you got to 3rd gear and were just motoring along.
Wow.. that must been scary.. love these stories comments everyone is sharing.. thank you so much. I could visualize as I was reading your comment. Have a great day!
Should have put a double-action fuel pump on it. That would have give the wipers a constant vacuum source.
The first car I drove was a 1960 Ford Falcon which had still had vacuum powered wipers which always slowed down at the wrong time for sure.
The vacuum wiper speed could be controlled by how far you opened the control. Open it slightly, and the wipers would very slowly operate.
@@robc8468 One of the first vehicles we had, was a 1965 Ford Falcon 3 on the tree & boy I wished we still had it. They are hard to find now.
The cars are all vintage , keep it up and thanks for coming on my ls.
Thanks for watching
That was a very good comparison, thank you! Don't see the old Chevy's much and you explained why very well.
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I really enjoyed your apples to apples comparison ! A very rare look back in time to something most folks were aware of when these were commonplace. I think it would be great to see all kinds of comparisons like what you have here across direct competing vehicles of same year vintages. Very interesting indeed! :-)
Thanks, its probably what people would have done back in 1928 if they were shopping for a new car!
Thanks Tim...
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great video thank you! with the gas tank in the rear, did the chevy need a fuel pump?
I am having a tough time aligning the doors on our model A..I noticed yours are perfect..did the chevy have a better system of aligning the doors vs the model A?
The Chevy had that vacuum fuel pump/tank. It works pretty well. The doors however on the Chevy have been a bit of a nightmare. They tend to sag because of the wooden frame
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If you have an early Model A, the door hinges screw into wood, and those are hard to get tight. If the hinges are loose, take the upholstery panels off and either replace the wood, or drill all the way through the wood and switch to machine screws so you can use nuts on the far side of the wood. Once the hinges are tight (not a problem on most '30 and '31 because they use more steel and less wood), aligning the doors is done by putting shims between the frame and the body bolts. Think of it as having the door fixed in place and you are raiding or lowering the body to line up with the doors. Not as hard as it sounds because those body bolts are pretty easy to access. It was also all body-style dependent. A '31 Fordor (yes, that's the right spelling) was mostly metal, but a '31 Victoria was still just a thin metal shell around wood.
@@brianhaygood183 thank you brian, that was very helpful
00:13:00 A past acquaintance used rubber bungee straps on each corner between the axle and body to dampen the wobble on his Model T.
Hey Casey! That's a great idea! Never thought of that! Thanks for sharing with us.
The Model A was the first car to use shock absorbers. So, it still had the wobbly single-spring on each axle, but at least there was some small attempt to dampen the motion.
Supper cool I drive a 28 daily summer.
Right on
awesome, once its back together, show it again
I'm looking at purchasing a 28 chevy national that runs great and the wood looks to be in good shape. I have zero experience with antique cars so is there anything particular I should be looking for to be cautious about?
Great question. Just off the top of my head I would want to check out the rear brake drums since they wear more than the front. The throw out bearing on the transmission clutch because they are graphite and tend to break apart(sorry that one is hard to get to). Make sure the wood that the door hinges are bolted to is in good shape because its hard to repair, when you open the doors you can lift them a little to see if the hinges are tight. Beware of cracks in the engine block or head. This is a common problem. They are great cars, I hope you can get it!
@CopperstateBassets thank you so much for that valuable info! I'll be taking a second look soon along with a look at a 29 Studebaker Erskine.
Love this video comparison. The most surprising thing to me was hearing that Chevrolet sold twice as many cars in 1928 compared to Ford! No wonder Henry shut down production and tooled up for the Model A - Ford was being badly beaten in sales. Since the Model A had great parts interchangeability from 1927 onward, and almost all steel construction, it's no wonder so many Model A's still exist. That era from '27 to '29 set the general layout and technology of American cars for decades to come.
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A big part of that is due to the 28 Model A coming out later in the year. In 29, the Ford was once again the top selling low-priced car.
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On the 28 Chevy. There was no ignition switch on the dash panel from the factory. The one you have is added. The original one is the one that locks the steering column. Behind the dash panel where the lever is is the original ignition switch box the lever connects to. The lever is on and off for the electrical system. Also on the valves on the head the felt pad is added. No pad from the factory. The 4 holes are supposed to direct oil in channels to oil all the rockers. Don't rely on it. I always pop off my valve cover and oil the three places on each rocker with a drop. The pockets the valve springs sit in are supposed to have oil in them. the extra oil that runs into there also lubes the valve stems, The extra oil on the other side runs down the push rod to oil the lifter from the top side. I own a 28 2 door like yours and a 29 Model A Roadster Pickup. It is fun to compare those two cars! My Dad also has a 28 Chevy Landau Coupe and a 29 Tudor. So been around both of those car since the early 60s.
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That was fascinating! I knew the Chevy outsold the Model A, yet there are far more Model A Fords alive today. This sheds some light on the mystery. If I was new car shopping in 1928, I might have bought Chevrolet, but if I was shopping a few years later for an inexpensive used car I could maintain I’d have gone for the 1928 Ford Model A.
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The Model A was around 6 months late for the model year, due to difficulties with production starting up, all new tooling in factory, all new parts tooling, and training workers new procedures, all things Ford had not had to do since 1908. Had the A come out when first expected, do you think that might have had a positive effect on the sales numbers?
@@ramblerdave1339 aha! So the first half of that model year was really comparing the ‘28 Chevy to the ‘27 T. That would explain the sales numbers.
@@lanedexter6303 Actually, the 27 production had already stopped, so Ford had no cars to sell until the A came out.
@@ramblerdave1339 wow, I guess NO cars doesn’t compete well at all. 😉
Such cool cars. Nice vlog
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I'm not yet born at that time Chevy and model A created. Wow!
I came into existence in the 70s and while I always be particular to the decade prior, those real old first timers fascinate me. Often wondered what the early competition among the big three was like.
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My grandmother used to say that she loved her whippet cause it was so peppy
So cool 😎 how the motor are designed now in these vehicles! Now if your in a wreck lots of safety !
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The Chevy looks identical to the Ford... even an oval around the chevy emblem.
This had to of made Henry Ford pretty mad😄
Absolutely awesome vehicles, beautiful pieces of history.🙌✌
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Thank you A lot of good information
Lots of things I never knew good video.
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The headlight rings look super easy to machine. The bar or sheet stock may be expensive depending on the thickness, but any machine shop could make them for you.
Great point!
Really rough editing on this, do you have a mic?
Daily is a 54 Chevy truck. The design dates back to 1926. Its simple and dependable. Ir makes every modern car look defective.
It works so well! And that was barely luxury status design at the time. If you've seen how a 1925 Wills Saintclaire or a Chalmers handled. Woof!
My father's first car was a 1931 Plymouth, purchased used, which had it all over a 1931 Model A. From the same size 4 cylinder engine, the Plymouth had 40% more power, 56 vs. 40 in the A. The Plymouth engine had balanced internal moving parts, and was on rubber engine mounts, allowing it to rev higher and run smoother. Top speed was a bit over 70 mph, about 10 more than the Model A. The Plymouth could cruise all day at 50-55 mph, while the Model A wasn't comfortable above a steady 45 mph. Above 55 mph Model A driver was taking his life in his hands.
The Plymouth also had hydraulic brakes. Ford stayed with the Model T too long and went from Nr. 1 in sales in 1924 to Nr 2 in sales and red ink by 1926. By 1935 Ford had dropped to Nr. 3 in sales behind Chrysler. Ford did not regain the Nr. 2 rank in sales until 1953.
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@@COPPERSTATETREASURES Mustie 1 just did two videos on a 1930 Plymouth that had been sitting for decades. He was only tasked with getting it running, Once he sorted it out, it ran very well for a 90+ year old car.
I've done about 65mph in a Model A (according to the speedo of the car following me). Despite it being a fresh rebuild with no extra slack in anything, it felt pretty sketchy. It definitely isn't excited about cruising anywhere at that speed. In 1928 there just weren't many roads on which you could do that speed in any car, except in a few of the biggest cities.
@@brianhaygood183 Fresh rebuild with no extra slack? Yes, it could get close to that speed, but very few of the Model A's were like that coming new off the assembly line. 62 mph was a more realistic number. I mentioned in my original post that the Model A was not comfortable cruising above a steady 45 mph, and that above 55 mph, the driver was taking his life in his hands.
2:55 Steering wheel lock might be more safety device at those time? When car was parked in down hill, it kept wheel against sidewalk edge or prevents child turn steering.
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interesting to know this part of the car and awesome look the old timer car
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It is amazing that some manufactures chose to keep vacuum windshield wipers for so long when electric wipers were clearly superior. When I was in high school in 1968 a classmate of mine had I believe a 1947 Plymouth or Dodge with vacuum wipers. When you really needed them in climbing a hill or under acceleration they virtually came to a stop. I am not sure if this was a cost saving measure, but this old system was not very good. Thanks for the interesting comparison.
Thank you for sharing with us! I could only imagine how that would have been very hard to see in the rain.
I had a 1961 Holden (GM Australia) that still had vacuum wipers ! Worse than useless!
All they had to do was,
put in a vacuum reserve tank to stop that, the price of a half gallon tin can, that is the epitome of cheapness...
@@russellnc All they had to do was use an electric motor!
I had a 50 Plymouth that had vacuum wipers. I wonder which car was the last to have that feature before electric wipers became standard
From 1932 to 1956 Chevy out sold Ford, until 57 Chevrolet had a huge assembly plant to burn down, amd they couldnt produce enuff to sale...Nowadays when you go to car shows and cruise ins, you hardly ever see a 57 Ford, but you will always see a 57 Chevy...Why?...The difference in quality,.Fords didnt last as long and went almost straight to the scrap yards, within 5 years, but the Chevys lasted
I like the solid wheel discs. Both cars look great.
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I wonder if any other car makers used disc wheels? Chevy was General Motors so maybe they were used on other GM cars... I just dont know
How close is the 1928 "Dodge Brothers" to the 1928 model A?
I’ll have to do some research on this.
The answer is NOT very close. The designs of the 1928 Dodge were far more elegant and rationalized than Ford with it's small car design implement. Unfortunately everyone's idea of a 1920s car scene is these short cars on wood spoke wheels, forgetting about all the other companies that were way more common than people give them credit for (infact, there's a much smaller amount of Model Ts than every other passenger vehicle). If you looked at a prim proper car in 1928, you would see a hood twice/three times, the length of the Model A, and a passenger hardtop cabin around or almost twice the length of a Ford model A cabin. Wheel sizes far larger, sitting up nice with plenty of ground clearance, and much MUCH more in the realm of luxury design. Gardner, Velie, Hudson, Cole, Nash, Hupmobile, Wills Saintclaire, Elcar. These all were lengthy big bus sedans with two tone bodies, two tone roof and body, two tone fender to body, or a huge combination of the three like with Ruxton. Tons of color choices from purple lake to midnight royal green (early pearlescent color). Sedan body sizes ranged from Ajax and Ford, all the way to Stutz and Gardner well over the 210 inch mark (Gardner sedan had a 8 passenger that was 232 inches).
So to answer your question more, the 1928 Dodge met it's own interesting form of luxury design, though it was already known as a semi luxury vehicle in the 1910s and 1920s. It's first production model offered a enclosed limousine for 1914. Which only 50+ companies had done thus far. Compared to the 400 car companies in America at the time; yes, 400.
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niice job. I remember growing up wondering why people didn't hot rod Chevies more. They always said because they have so much wood in the body. They weren't; kidding. Have you done one comparing the Chrysler products? That old 6 of theirs was a mainstay. Also. I've never been impressed with he performance of the ford v8. heavy, burned a lot of gas and it seems the chevy 6 had more torque at the lower end.
Thank you @thomas Opdahl. Appreciate you stopping by! It would be great to do a comparison on Chrysler Products, Good Idea!
Didn't the Model A have cowl lights? Or just not in 28?
Great question. The deluxe model had cowl lights.
Thank you for the great tour of two fine cars. My first car, in 1959, was a '29 Model A Tudor. It came with a cracked head but the owner included a good head ready for me to install. Eventually I got it right. One question--what are the scroll-like devices visible in the Chevy intake ports?
Hi Hopelessand. Thank you so much for watching. Tim is checking on your question for you. Wow what a wonderful car the 29 Model A Tudor. I bet that one was fun to drive!
Ive been searching for an accurate answer to what they are. I always assumed they were some type of diffusers for the vaporized fuel. Maybe to help more even distribution throughout the intake ports. When that engine is working well it is very smooth and quiet at idle. You wouldnt think its a 4 cylinder engine
@@CopperstateBassets Thanks for the reply. I think you are probably right about the diffusers.
@@Hopeless_and_Forlorn I did talk to someone a little more knowledgeable then I am and he thought that they would help heat the intake to keep the fuel vaporized which makes sense because the water jacket goes around that area if the head.
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great video thanks! did chevy have a 1927 model to compete with the model A or was it cought off guard?
do you know when chevy first came out with a competing model?
I know the 1927 chevy was similar to the 1928 but it had a weaker engine. The 1927 chevy definitely had more power than the 1927 model T. The 1927 chevy had wheel brakes but they were only on the rear
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The 28 to 31 Ford cabriolet had wood subframe and doors like this Chevrolet, it was one of the most expensive model A trim and supposedly more confortable and silent compare to an all steel car.
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Do British Morgans still have a wood frame?
So awesome 👏 I loved old cars if they run lol 😂 I never rode in one ☝️ in my life I bet it would be cool 😎 !
Hi Miss Southern Belle, thank you so much for stopping by! These cars are so much fun to ride in. I wished you lived near by, I would come pick you up for a Sunday Cruise!!!
My late father purchased a Chevrolet of that vintage (29-32) as it had the 6cyl and as he said "would walk away from the Ford". His next Ford was a '36. Thanks for sharing. Narragansett Bay
Very cool! Thanks for sharing with us! Our Dad had a 1932 Chevy 4 door coupe in his family when he was young. Great memories!
Very interesting material. I didn’t know why Chevrolets from that era are so rare today. What I noted was the Chevy 4-banger was not just an OHV, but cross flow to boot. Then I remembered that Louis Chevrolet was a racer before getting recruited to having a car named after him. iIRC, LC raced, among other things, Ford Model Ts with OHV head conversions ( did he also manufacture a cylinder head conversion or am I confusing him with Zora’s Arden heads?). The Model A was was not necessarily cutting edge when they were introduced, but they were durable and easy to maintain - as evidenced by the fact that survivors are plentiful. I remember reading that in the 30s, the Model A was one of the quickest cars from zero to 30 mph.
I have sold a few 1928 chevy heads for people to use on the model T engine
It always seemed to me that Ford was simply catching up with the rest of the industry with the model A. He was ahead of the industry in 1908 with the model T and again in 1932 with the V8 block
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Yes. Louis did make a OHV head for the T. Called the Frontenac, Fords with this head were raced very successfully, and were nicknamed "Fronty-Fords". Many aftermarket cylinder heads were made for Models T, and A, and the B ('32), and C ('33), 4 cylinder options available for the thrifty buyer, who didn't want a V8. (Takes all kinds). 😎👍
@@ramblerdave1339 Thanks! You jogged my memory. I couldn’t remember the name of the heads. Can you imagine building a T speedster that would run over 100mph with two wheel brakes. My late granddad used to talk about souping up his Ts with stock heads and could get 60 out of them with full bodies on dirt roads.
Thank you for sharing. Another excellent video comparing the two vehicles 😊
The reason you adjust valve clearance is mainly to increase clearance as the valves start to pocket with wear . So many people are under the false impression it's to quieten the valve train.This maybe the case on occasion.If you loose clearance you will loose compression. I am a retired mechanic. I have herd some mechanics tell a customer they did not adjust valves as they were not noisy.
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That's heavily dependent upon the engine. On some engines you lose clearance due to wear. On others you lose clearance because the valves stretch over time. The noise is a common symptom. If the engine is running fine and there is no noise, then it is pretty unlikely you need a valve adjustment badly. Not as thorough as actually checking the clearances, but it is a reasonable first assessment.
@@brianhaygood183 I am a indentured mechanic with over 50 years experience. Rocker arms are off set to the valve stem very slightly which has the effect of causing the valves to rotate. We used to put lead in fuel to cushion the valves when closing, the lead also lubricated the valve stem.It was also a way of controlling the octane rating. A combination of the valves closing with force and the valve rotating causes the valve to pocket thus closing the valve clearance. this is the reason we put stelite valves and seats into these old cars and motorcycles.Also if the clearance becomes too tight it will cause the valves and or seat to burn.
I took my drivers test in my dads '31 model A... TWICE! The car decided it wasn't going to run well the first try and when the guy grading you has to push you don't pass. A week later the old girl said ok kid I'll let you have it this time. That was 1991.
That’s a great story.. thanks for sharing
And my sister complained about taking her driver's test in our dad's 1963 Studebaker Cruiser in 1987. He gave her a 1966 red Mustang with a white top for her birthday. She traded it for a Corolla because "it attracted the wrong kind of guy" apparently.
At about the same time, 27 - 29, there was a fella up in Minnesota named Pietenpol who designed a great home built airplane that is still being reproduced today. The plane could be powered by the Ford Model A engine or the Chevrolet engine with one condition given, if you use a Chevy engine you were advised to never leave the vicinity of the airfield. That would settle it for me.
Hello Billie, this is very informative & interesting. I looked up the Peitenpol, I had never heard of him & his plane. Thanks for sharing with us.
Nice cars.
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I know those are made to go on terrible road but why is the passenger compartiment do high, same for the engine, it sure look good but why ?
Hello, this is a great question. I also wonder why. Thanks for commenting & stopping by.