Vipassana & its side effects nobody talks about (my honest experience during & after)

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  • @philosopher2king
    @philosopher2king 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +41

    Today is the 10th anniversary since my first 10-day. I have sat four courses since and about to serve in one starting next week. So it’s odd this video would pop up on my feed today.
    It took me until my last course to fully understand the implications of the technique. Vipassana is a training that increases the awareness of the body to be able to transcend the attachment we naturally feel for good sensations and the aversion (which is another form of attachment) we feel for the unpleasant ones. It is about changing the locus of happiness from sensation-seeking to becoming. After all, sensations are bound to change, so what are you left with when you stop the “drama” of constantly chasing after or away from them? Peace, and a deeper awareness of myself without the crazy static of chasing a moving target. Do I enjoy the things i enjoy? Absolutely, I still LOVE making love to my wife, traveling and working out. But hopefully I can continue deepening my enjoyment of them without adding the drama of seeking the sensations or being unduly disappointed when I don’t get them.
    For those saying that Vipassana is a cult, what are your facts? I was extremely skeptical of Vipassana before my 10-day course (I've read enough books about cults to know their basics tools) and found nothing wrong with it.
    1. An emphasis on technique and nothing else.
    2. No hierarchy. Goenka passed years ago and I don’t even know who heads the organization.
    3. No love-bombing.
    4. No constantly asking for money, in fact, they won’t even take a donation if you don’t finish the course. Compare that to your local Christian or Catholic church, which will probably ask you to donate 10% of your salary.
    5. Goenka is never referred to as guru. In my center, at least (Onalaska, WA) there is only one picture of him and his wife tucked away by some books in the kitchen near a bookshelf.
    6. Continual encouragement to find your own path, not a preset path for you.
    7. I never heard anyone use the word “obedience”, from Goenka or anybody. This is huge because whenever you hear an emphasis on that word in a community, you should find your shoes and head for the door.
    8. Don’t get caught up in the word dhamma. It’s nature, or the Way. It’s respecting the way your arm bends one way and not the other, or how eating too many cookies will make you gain weight. Dhamma is just the way things work.
    9) Nobody chases you after the retreat. Compare that to Scientology, that will hunt you constantly and charge thousands of dollars for each “level”. Vipassana doesn’t charge for a thing. Sure, you could donate, housing free retreats is not cheap, but money donations are downplayed. I remember having to ask where the donation box was.
    You will likely find that your average Christian church or political party has more cultish flags than Vipassana ever does. IMO, they’ve gone out of their way to make itself not a cult.
    These are just my opinions, and I’m just some guy posting on TH-cam. But notice that posters here calling it a cult provide nothing substantial about their claims, at all. They are, also, random people on the internet. Look for a cult awareness toolkit online and take a 10-day and find out for yourself. If any of it doesn’t feel right to you, walk away.

    • @tobiasdontmatter1868
      @tobiasdontmatter1868 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +2

      I appreciate the logical last point you gave about walking away if it feels off. People forget they have free will and as cold as it seems to say, those who get wrapped up in a cult are just the product of social Darwinism 😂

    • @Shadoww_Recruit
      @Shadoww_Recruit 18 ชั่วโมงที่ผ่านมา +1

      Lots of Metta Brother 😊😊

  • @vinodprasanna3375
    @vinodprasanna3375 4 วันที่ผ่านมา

    After so many years of Vipassana meditation practice, I can sit without pain for 1:30min, it’s the best thing I have done in my life !!!

  • @haresh756
    @haresh756 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    First vipassana course is just scratching the surface and your experience is absolutely perfect 🎉, the real gem of happiness and tranquility will emerge afresh three courses and serving at least two courses, the insights will gain by sailing into verse of various experience once pain will go will be a different orbit to roam in.🎉🎉🎉

    • @geetamandavkar9791
      @geetamandavkar9791 12 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Can u explain me what is 2 nd n third course in detail bit. M thinking to go for 10 day vipassana

  • @edgarnapiza4667
    @edgarnapiza4667 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    I explored different meditation techniques!
    I started with Dr. Dispenza breaking the habit of Being Yourself! Part 1 to 3.
    Being aware of the feelings then those low vibrations declare and surrender.
    Then I meditate Vipassana for an hour!

  • @Matt_Parks
    @Matt_Parks 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    I just finished my first Vipassana in Bali and related to your journey in many ways. Thank you for sharing. Interestingly I shared about all psychedelic substances I’d experienced on my application but they didn’t question me about any of it.

  • @w2best
    @w2best 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +8

    What were the negative side effects? I listened the whole video and didn't hear one. Not being used to social media or having as much identity or rigidity in life - that's a neutral or positive effect imo 😊
    It seems like you had huge benefits all in all! The peace of mind you describe is 😍😍

    • @elenakundro
      @elenakundro  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      well yes, that is true :) The negative thing was that it was very easy to go down the hill for me and get sucked into all of the social media shabang

    • @lotuspoints
      @lotuspoints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Is there a medical doctor who recommends 100 hours of sitting in a 10 day period?

    • @MysticKaruna
      @MysticKaruna 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

      @@lotuspoints we are happy in. dhamma trap. Thank u and by the way I'm a medical Mbbs md doctor compassion for ur ignorance

    • @lotuspoints
      @lotuspoints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      You will get more benefits of switching off your phone and spending a week in the woods camping. The 10 days ARE the torture, in order for u to feel elated when it is over and feeling a sense of achievement. Manipulation at its finest! And then, you get nudged into giving service to damma. Not to save tortured animals, or help less fortunate members of society, but to perpetuate the damma organization. Give give give and don't expect anything in return. Highway to toxic relationships! You need more?

    • @w2best
      @w2best 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      @@lotuspoints I sit more than that in my regular life with office work :D :D

  • @TylerSarry
    @TylerSarry 9 วันที่ผ่านมา

    I am going to be going for my first time soon. Known about Vipassana for a long time but never felt ready until now. Thanks for sharing you're experience and tips.

  • @Sudhirchoudhary2788
    @Sudhirchoudhary2788 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Dear Elena you seem like a good person,If you allow can i suggest few things please or you can ignore if you dont wish to please 🙏
    1)You can now change your title from side effects to My honest vipasanna experience because what you shared here says you gained more than you could imagine from the course
    2)Every human being is different and they will have different experiences just like two finger prints are not same in this crowded world so dont suggest people who its made for and who not because what you experience in first course will be different in second course thats because you are changing every moment
    3)Dont tell people to practice sitting before course because you dont get the point which is the pain that appears on your body during vipasanna is your karma which if you observe equanimously it will vanish,it has to because it came on surface because of your practice of vipasanna which is a golden moment for you to get rid of your bondages n sufferings,You dont feel happy n relaxed because you sat for 10 days you do feel light n calm because you have dropped off some.burden which was hidden in depth of your mind and body please understand this,i know its hard in first course but more you do your brain will become more cleaner n you will realise and understand real vipasanna,its like asking a person to lift weights at home before going to join gym?trust me even if you sit at home for an hour doing vipasanna you wont experience same pain anymore because you cant go that deep at home because of distractions in daily life
    4)You know if the pain is there and suddenly you get up from your meditation the pain disappears right?its common sense if pain is there it should atleast be there for an hour?but no it disappears because exactly at that moment when you get up you stopped the process of eradicating deep rooted Sankhara and you know if you just observe the pain while meditating without any judgement it just disappears meaning you have eradicated that particular Sankhara,so wheneve pains comes its a golden moment actually,so dont tell people will hurt themselves its a mental battle not physical, physical is just a medium of eradicating the mental pain
    5)When experiencing pleasure sensation at start of sitting dont get attached to that as well it will increase your craving for that
    6)Even great body builders before going on stage they hit the weights backstage, musician warm up on their instruments before a concert same is vipasanna you practice at home you feel more relaxed and ready for anything coming your way
    7)Social media usage is on you,after vipasanna you are your own master so chose right things like uploading your content nad not reading comments or ignoring seeing people's story because that makes no sense or just dont use social media apart from your work like upload and close the app,use your time in learning something on social media or youtube or learning new art
    Remember different people will have different experiences during course because different people have accumulated different karmas different cravings different attachments but if technique is followed properly one will come out as a winner and progress,an animal with proper guidance can be trained we are humans we can do better than them we have techniques like vipasanna to literally change our own mind which even doctors cant do neither can God,its us we can do wonders with our mind dear Elena,May you rise and shine in life and in Dhamma♥️🙏 Love from India

  • @sumitraturwankar9804
    @sumitraturwankar9804 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    Thanks for arising curiosity for people to get into n experience vipassana
    Whatever you say people will decide for themselves using thier own wisdom
    May all beings be happy n get liberated

  • @pawellemanski1866
    @pawellemanski1866 11 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    Its because we are conditioned to go go ..stillness is difficult for majority of humans

  • @marciestoddard730
    @marciestoddard730 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    That's intense you actually hallucinated. Did it feel like there was awareness in it? Or more dissociative?

  • @atul6585
    @atul6585 22 วันที่ผ่านมา

    It is very valid criticism.. I had to confront my employer back in the day, but I had to stop doing yoga as it completely killed my agression and will to confront them..

  • @prakashtechpower4804
    @prakashtechpower4804 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +2

    If your drive a car drunken then accident happens or chances are high so car is a tool, similarly vipassana is a tool and person with already so much thoughts and other old habits will come is surface and experience all kinds emotions depending on person his/her own reasons so miss will understand and shall use technique for betterment in future as well... wishing her happy life....

  • @milliesaunders1986
    @milliesaunders1986 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

    So…what really was the problem?!!

  • @Beojang-rm8es
    @Beojang-rm8es 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    When we do maditaion you get a awarenese as long as you do, you have to know that awarenese bring in you day routin.while your eating talking and what ever you do you have to do with ewarenese if expert meditation people never lost whey awarenese in every activity.

  • @mangalkumartamang1125
    @mangalkumartamang1125 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

    You have not worked according to instructions. So sorry about you.

    • @lotuspoints
      @lotuspoints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Just like scientology, vipassana works 100% of the time when applied 100%properly. You have to believe in the technique in order to work, right? So, what is the difference between that and placebo? There is actual scientific evidence that placebo works. Has that been proven for vipassana?

  • @yat-truth
    @yat-truth 3 วันที่ผ่านมา

    In short
    Love yourself and live happy with your own,
    Fuck the outside world

  • @josevalverde2263
    @josevalverde2263 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    An elderly man can do vipassana?

    • @elenakundro
      @elenakundro  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      of course! It's for everyone :)

    • @snfow
      @snfow 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Certainly can, my 1st sit was in my 50's & have sat & served on several since & noticed many older students on their 1st sit. Think it's good to read Ehkarte Tolle, Power of Now & New Earth, it's very relevant to how ego controls our lives & understanding why we need to let it go

  • @nordicvegan
    @nordicvegan 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you very much for sharing! I also had this "I will never do it again" 😆It's really true for me about the collapse of structures too. In the long run it's good, life will restructure in a more meaningful way, but in the short run it may seem like we are degrading socially. I'm very sorry that your Mom had difficulties in Lithuania. Was it really in Lithuania? I have just been to the Vipassana centre, the students live in small houses, rooms for three persons. In one house there are two rooms, they share wc and a shower, there is also a separate building for showers and toilets next door. I would agree very much about the cold - one should take a couple of sweaters and warm socks when going to meditate Lithuania, even if it's spring or autumn, there are cold and rainy days. Good thing is that rain and cold may help to meditate, especially if one is sensitive to heat

  • @dear_alena
    @dear_alena 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    Baby doll, I realized what is Vipassana after 4th Vipassana lol. 1 is nothing! Keep going.

    • @Sudhirchoudhary2788
      @Sudhirchoudhary2788 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      Exactly I too in third course actually 😂😂😂 she hasn't actually understood the technique yet,but it's okay to give her point for being a first timer

  • @J_heterodox
    @J_heterodox 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

    Goenka hijacked Vipassana. I mean this in a sense that he offered it to masses when most people are not prepared for it. Samatha-vipassana is a 2800 year old form of Theravada meditation. First is the Samatha THEN comes Vipassana. Samatha practice is the form of concentration mediation. Many know this as meditation on the breath. This fosters concentration and stimulates your ability to begin learning how to view yourself as you are. It grows into the Insight practice known as Vipassana but it usually takes quite a bit of time. In these retreats they’re just dropping people into it with no experience. That’s how you get experiences like this.

    • @lotuspoints
      @lotuspoints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Vipassana is the carrot that leads you into "goenka's damma" trap

    • @Matt_Parks
      @Matt_Parks 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +1

      Funny you say this. I just finished my first goenka Vipassana course with not too much meditation experience before it. When Vipassana was taught on the 4th day I was struggling with it majorly, and instinctively I knew I needed to spend the rest of the 10 days still doing anapana. It’s been 2 weeks since I got out but still only practicing anapana at home. Hope to have the stability to practice actual Vipassana at some point.

    • @mystosplosion
      @mystosplosion 2 หลายเดือนก่อน +7

      I don’t like the negative framing but of what Goenka has done here. What he has done has been to bring the practical part to people quickly enough for them to get a taste of how well it works. He initially wanted to start people on 20 days, but he knew he couldn’t get people to commit to that initially. He didn’t hijack it. He has exposed far more people to it and generated far more interest than the method you are referring to. Anapana is always available to us. He didn’t hijack anything. He made it accessible.
      I have identified that I need far more anapana practice, even though I was taught by Goenka. He pushes experiential wisdom. I know from experience where I need work, and I have teachers to guide me.
      Gratitude to Goenkaji.

    • @Sudhirchoudhary2788
      @Sudhirchoudhary2788 16 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

      Who is forcing anyone to go there?lol😂 people go when they don't find answers anywhere else,it's a tough 10 days of hard work but if you are sincere you will get benefits like never before
      You are a weak minded person accept that as it is and work on it bro rather than blaming on goenka ji who has cured so many human beings in this world through his teachings and spread of vipasanna,do u think Buddha had time when he travelling from village to village to prepare people for years before teaching them vipasanna?stop fooling urself and stop spreading this hate just because you read few books and you think you know better than the students who gained from it and if you did attend a course trust me your attitude says it all you didn't work the way they taught you,what doctors can't treat is being treated by a human himself through practice

  • @lotuspoints
    @lotuspoints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

    15:30 this is exactly why it is manipulative... this will remind you in a couple of months to go back to the centre

    • @Sudhirchoudhary2788
      @Sudhirchoudhary2788 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

      @@lotuspoints and what is wrong in going back to centre? 😂 You don't have to pay,they don't ask you to bring more students?you don't wanna progress in your studies without going to a college or reading more books?wow logic and your comments don't go hand in hand you definitely practice some other technique most probably an easier one or u dnt practice anything at all,weak minded people will find excuses to everything they feel uncomfortable with 😂still I pray God bless you with some good vibes and great health

  • @MysticKaruna
    @MysticKaruna 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +15

    Don't spread negativity about Vipassana just because u didn't understand it ...gurujee was right ..mara won't allow u to meditate

    • @elenakundro
      @elenakundro  4 หลายเดือนก่อน +13

      Probably there was a misunderstanding, I loved Vipassana and Goenka's teachings. It brought a lot of peace to my life. I continue to practice and recommend it to others :)) I just had a really hard time coming back to real life after it and wanted to share my experience :)

    • @lotuspoints
      @lotuspoints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Rejecting criticism is the first sign of undue influence

    • @MysticKaruna
      @MysticKaruna 4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      @@lotuspoints thank u dear lotus

    • @lotuspoints
      @lotuspoints 4 หลายเดือนก่อน +5

      Just toxic positivity! Yeah, that's gonna save the planet 😅

    • @edn763
      @edn763 3 หลายเดือนก่อน +3

      @@lotuspoints Sarcasm is also passively rejecting criticism, which is "the first sign of undue influence".

  • @Mpower31
    @Mpower31 3 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Thank you great video!

  • @WYorg
    @WYorg 20 วันที่ผ่านมา

    good you have done at least one.

  • @ranjithdesilva5292
    @ranjithdesilva5292 หลายเดือนก่อน

    VERY..VERY...bad experience in THE past life Some one HAD....VERY...VERY...deficit to practice Vipassna

  • @Beojang-rm8es
    @Beojang-rm8es 5 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    I have been meditate more than three years during those years my experience change again and again of cause mind and all are permenent.Main pourpose of meditation is not for feel happy and enjoy as we eat food or do orgasm.But as do maditation for long time mind growing very clear and stable to focuse on a object.Body becaming very workable never feel laziness.Emotion growing very controlable and allway feel calm and peace.Through those clearity and stability you can built spacial power of wisdom.Through that wisdom you can analyse the things around you such feeling and emotion the chemical in your body.Also you can change your illusion of emotion and ignorance througj that wisdom.You can recognize the thing as they are imperminet.At the beganing we are not willing to change our habitual mind and emotion butom your heart say i am not ok why are you feel that because of your habitual sub-mind. Am learning english.

    • @elenakundro
      @elenakundro  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for sharing! I totally agree :))

  • @gurughosh3181
    @gurughosh3181 2 หลายเดือนก่อน

    My Mamma. Love U.

  • @nabinkarna7365
    @nabinkarna7365 16 วันที่ผ่านมา

    No body was talking about it because there is none. You just lost all the point. 😊

  • @deepcommand4512
    @deepcommand4512 6 หลายเดือนก่อน +4

    sadhu sadhu sadhu

  • @torpedohost
    @torpedohost หลายเดือนก่อน +1

    what i learned about vipassana is that women are so attractive when they dont talk. and i dont really have anything i need to hear from a women. and all women should practice vipassana permanently

  • @music4fun536
    @music4fun536 5 หลายเดือนก่อน

    Please add chapters to your video

    • @elenakundro
      @elenakundro  4 หลายเดือนก่อน

      Thanks for the suggestion! I don't yet know how but will look into it :))

  • @nikhilgaikwad9761
    @nikhilgaikwad9761 6 หลายเดือนก่อน

    hi elena

  • @galaism1
    @galaism1 29 วันที่ผ่านมา +1

    You seem to be in dilemma...the way you say things aren't the best ..you have not shared about self realisation...nothing comes easy in life ..do you know the meaning of vipassana???