Expensive WINE is for SUCKERS??? Wine Pro REACTS
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- Is expensive wine really for suckers? A wine lover reacts to the viral wine video "Expensive Wine Is For Suckers" and gives his thoughts.
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Once my sister and I tried pranking our Dad, who’d been a wine waiter in his twenties but was then about 70. (This was about 30 years ago.) We bought a $25 Chardonnay and had the guy at the shop put a fake $9 label on the bottle. Dad had been drinking mostly jug wine for years out of thrift, but when he tried this wine he suggested that we go back and buy a case because it was a bargain at $9!
I’ve lost my palate for wine now and it still amazes me that after over 40 years my Dad hadn’t lost his. Dad died a few years ago aged 95. RIP, Dad.
That is one helluva story… thanks for sharing!
Have been waiting for several years for a direct response to the Vox video. Great job Matthew!Unpretentious and accessible. And the video is edited with real care. I think the question that can’t be avoided is: is taste objective and what explains convergence of judgment about wine? Ie, why the hell is there so much agreement ? And why are most people convinced that wine taste is subjective? It’s hard to go there directly, accessibly and without BS. Not many people can pull that off, but you can. So - I am being pushy here - I think this there is room for you to take it forward in a future video. Warm wishes always.
Ohhhh Vlad that is a VERY good idea. I will put that on the back burner and let it simmer. Good to hear from you.
Personally I don't think that 100% objective quality exists in wine. Many people use the word "objective" pretty loosely but in a stricter definition, it would have to be 100% independent of the observer, the subject. I don't think that's possible because taste doesn't even exist in the material world. Sure, the chemical compounds like sugars, acids etc. do exist but the taste itself only exists in our brains/ our minds.
When I listen to a wine critic I don't need them to be truly objective, if they give a recommendation and 99% of their viewers enjoy the wine, then there is no problem, they have made many people happy.
Great reaction video Matthew! Loved it.
Thank you sir... I was worried my counters were not clear enough :p
When serving a really “nice” wine to guests, I make them aware how expensive it is. Implanting that perception in their minds actually makes it seem exquisite to them. Even if not, they are more likely to compliment the wine as though it’s great anyway.
That is lame. Personally if the bottle is expensive i will not say a word to get their true opinion
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So, you probe the Bios of the Price Tag 😂😂
Great Job explaining…I was little skeptical about wine scoring by experts!
There are good ones out there!
Not a big fan of Vina Tondania reserva… Opened 2008 vintage…didn’t enjoy that
OMG the test glasses. 🤣 As I have learned more about wine I have come to find for myself that wine is more about the experience and surroundings in which you taste and share it and less about the wine per se. It's about creating memories, sharing joy, and learning. All of which can have significantly different values based on your paradigm.
Ding ding ding! You hit the nail on the head
This seems to argue for spending far less, since the memories, surroundings, and friends would all be the same.
Excellent summary Matt! The relationship between price and perceived quality is definitely a curve and not linear
Ahhhhh thanks mate! I hope all is well down under
All good down here guys - we wouldn't want to be anywhere else 👍@@drmatthewhorkey
I miss Aussie wines!
So my wife an I have been doing "wine tastings". We buy 4 bottles and test them in one night. Actually tough, cause we can't really drink a full 2 bottles each in a night (although we do try). (I wish they would sell more small bottles for this exact reason)
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The one thing I should point out: We try everything we can to compare like for like ie: we only, say, compare Cabernet from the same year from different parts of the world (or from different Vineyards in one region). In the next tasting we will only do Pinot, etc, etc. We have also done, expensive vs cheap (again same cultivar). Oh and our tastings are blind.
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So from this point you should not compare a Cabernet with Pinot. And this raises a point that we can't really compare blends (ie: French are primarily blends). Yes I know cultivar wines are partial blends too.
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I REALLY recommend you do this. You will quickly get to understand wines. By doing this on your own without influence from 'experts'. You will understand the subtle differences, and understand *what is good for your personal pallet*. My wife and I have strongly apposing pallets which in itself highlights a point - good wine is personal and no 'wine expert' should ever influence that. For you personally, an expensive wine may be better or a cheap wine maybe better. We often found that our 'snobbishness' surrenders to cheaper wines, and this is a good thing too. Remember wine is a product and pricing often creates a perceived aura to the quality of the product (branding 101).
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We have been doing this for years!!! AND I cannot emphasize this more: try this yourself and discover your own pallet WITHOUT THE INFLUENCE OF EXPERTS.
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The only thing I can tell you is that my taste buds do change with time. Wines I hated when I was younger, I enjoy a lot today. I have discovered SOOO much about cultivars, I have my favourites and my own prejudice. And getting wasted is not such a bad perk either.
Hahahah. That is always a good idea to have several bottles open to compare. I think Coravin is great for that, so you don’t waste wine and get too drunk.
@Mark P--"more small bottles" ...2 suggestions:
1. Learn to taste & spit. Tasting(1oz pours) 10-15 wines, your tastebuds will go from 95% correct, down to 80% of the information. By consuming, your "clarity/drunkeness" will go from 100% down to 50%.
2. Have about 4-8 clean, empty half-bottles ready. Open a 750ml, and IMMEDIATELY pour-off half of it, within 1/4" of the top of a 375ml). Take the 750ml cork and push it in until the wine squeezes out(no air left at the top), and consume the rest of the 750. That way, you know Exactly what's in that 375 bottle. No need for Argon Gas or Vacuvins(those methods are mostly gimmicks, and saves you $100s on a Coravin). Put those 375s back in your wine fridge, and they will last about 4 weeks(this doesn't work for old wines). If it's Fantastic, you can always drink the rest, that night. But pouring-off 300ml Afterward with a big air gap, you've just wasted 300ml of a really good wine, when you open it a week later, and it's oxydized.
That way, you can open a 375ml white & red for 2 dinners at a later date. It saves the pocketbook and the liver, or allows you to buy more expensive wine. Wash the empty 375 bottles in Hot water Only. I turn them over in my toaster to drain & dry for a couple of days, then use any clean cork, to prevent dust from getting in. Put in the cupboard for the next tasting.
--"INFLUENCE OF EXPERTS": The same way you gain wine knowledge, is testing Professional Critics. "Drink what you like", and "Buy the producer" is lazy. And it's the way you rarely get past White Zinfandel or Budweiser. There are Millions of wines. How can you taste them all? At some point there will be critics that coincide with your tastebuds(your wife's critics should be different, based on your comments). Those critics will be helpful on some wine but not others(red vs white, Calif. vs Italian). You may find 2 critics, then you can use the lesser one as a qualifier(SHORTHAND: Both give a wine 95 points? Great choice for you. #2 critic give 97, the #1 scores it 88? Questionable, but another chance to Critique the Critics). If ALL the critics are bad, then it's YOU who's the bad critic, and your wife is the better taster. ( :>D)
This was an interesting and thoughtful comment. (The long reply to you, not so much.)
Can’t believe I have been following you for quite a while now and had never seen this video before. So authentic man, you seriously drew a graph on a freaking cardboard?😂. That’s real as real can be, love and appreciate that about you SO MUCH ❤.
As a European, I can just totally agree on your conversion. Starting from 10 bucks onwards, you get significantly more quality for each Euro you spend more on a wine. For whites it even may start at 6 already.
Thanks... Yes in Portugal especially, the value for money is crazy
Heading to Amalfi coast and Santorini next week . Any suggestions?
Enjoy and have fun! You’ll have no problems at local restaurants getting good stuff
Best video yet.
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On my level 3 WSET we had a Chilean Cabernet it was priced at 11 pounds. It was excellent but you have to put it into context one is trying to break into markets the others where European and Cali. You also have to take into price the cost of labour , grapes for example in Switzerland 5 Franken for one kilo and harvesting conditions and laws. One tip Rotiberg Pinot Noir Reserve 29 Franken.
Chile is hard to compete with bc they can produce solid wines at high yields too, which lowers the final price points
@@drmatthewhorkey Yup, that goes for Portugal.
I've been a sommelier for 18 years and a wine lover for about 30 years. There's definitely a learning curve, but once your palate is truly fine-tuned, there's no way you can be "tricked", unless the wine was served at a massively wrong temperature, or has faults, or you have an off day, have a cold, feel unwell, etc. An 85-point wine and a 92-point one are as different as night and day, for the true wine lover.
I don’t doubt your experience but I have seen A LOT of experienced tasters fooled before (including myself!)
@@drmatthewhorkey if you're given only a few minutes with the wine and are tasting one after the other, chances are you'll get several of them wrong. I need at least 20 mins with a one wine to have a good idea about it.
@8:00--Pavie: I preferred almost all 2000 & 2005 Bordeaux to 2003, except for the advantage of early drinkability of 2003(disliked most 2003 S. Rhone...overripe, pruney, flabby)
@10:20--Acidity. I prefer it in Whites(especially in dessert wines), but not necessarily in reds.
@11:05--"If it's more expensive, it may have more Value to you" ...I call it Quality/Price Ratio(QPR).
SHORT-HAND: I'd rather have a 93-point/$15 wine, than a 94 point/$100 wine. But I'd rather have a 95 point/$35, or 97/$65 than the 93/$15.
Wine Critics: The only ones who drive me nuts(because I'm a Vintage, not Producer guy), are "In the context of the vintage" critics. Basically, an expensive average wine(85 points/$100), but the Best in a terrible vintage, so it gets a 95, "In the context of the terrible vintage". So it's better than a consistent 93 by all critics, for $35, in the context of a Great vintage? Ridiculous!
I have enough wine that I don't need to buy wine in Bad vintages($300 Lafite for a 91-point wine, because it's one of the best Producers, and it usually costs $600? No thanks)
I agree with your point in SHORT-HAND. Thanks for stopping by. It’s always important to know your palate, which you do!
This was great, evidence based. Thanks.
Thank you
I love this video! You should consider doing a similar reaction to a video called Wine Snobs Are Faking It from Adam Ruins Everything
Hahahah good call!
I drink wine all the time especially Red wine. And sometimes white wine. So I know a few little things about wine. And I have had 5 dollar bottles of wine and I have had 25 dollar bottles of wine. And usually the 5 to 10 dollar bottles of red or white wine tastes the best. So you don't really need to buy an expensive bottle of wine to have a good tasting wine.
It's all about knowing your own palate!
Yes, glasses make a difference. I admit that I’m not a wine expert, but I do have some experience. Years ago I had a couple of Chateau Palmers and two Chateau Lafite Rothchilds. All were amazing but I didn’t have anything else really good for many years after because I only bought inexpensive bottles. Then a few years ago I had a 32 year old Opus One that I had been saving and it was amazing! After that I decided to start trying bottles from just under $20 to much more, but it took time. Some of the bottles were disappointing for the price, but on average, the more expensive bottles were better. I used to like a bottle called Pessimist and still like it,but one time I compared it to a Château Pape Clement and I couldn’t even taste the Pessimist. The difference was enormous. Since then I have been buying the second wine of Chateau Haut Brion and these are really good. I’ve bought some other really nice bottles too, and inexpensive wines taste nothing like them. I’m saving a 1964 Chateau Palmer for next year for my sister’s 60th birthday. I like some very good California wines and used to like Caymus, but now after being used to some really good Boudreaux wines, I prefer the Bordeaux because it’s less of a fruit explosion and has more of what I like. Though, Quintessa was good. I’ve also bought some Burgundies that I find really good.
Holy smokes, you drink some serious wines!
I'm a brewery bartender and a partaker of all sorts of alcohol (sometimes I want a nice lager, sometimes I want an old fashioned or a craft coconut rum) and, as of the past year, have been getting into wine- But affordable wine is scoffed at both on a professional and casual level and is only available in supermarkets and dive bar settings, where the price of a beer and a glass of wine are comparable
You can throw a good craft beer at me and I can tell you all about the hops, barley, maltiness, etc. The fact is that it's really really really easy to tell a difference in beer to the layman. And even still, many of us craft beer lovers have zero issue drinking things like yuengling or other supermarket beers. There's far less snobbiness in the beer snob world
All I'm saying is I've had good cheap wines and I have too much love for all kinds of alcohol to get into wine as a "hobby" or want to spend even $30 a bottle when there's still so much to be enjoyed on the cheap. I don't want to develope a pallet for it or unlearn the ability to just enjoy something for what it is- But you said it yourself- wine judging is a business. The pretentiousness of the wine adjacent industries is a big turnoff to a lot of people.
So what does a guy like me do here? I don't like overly sweet wines and I'm developing certain tastes, but I'm not interested in being lectured by literal professionals on what is or isn't good in a wine either. I don't want to follow that road
I hear you, it’s a big problem in the wine biz. I am all about bringing fun back to the wine world! There are some absolutely delicious bottles of wine that can be found around 15 bucks. My key is find a local shop you can trust… check out this video and it should help a lot - th-cam.com/video/NtzGCpYLNuw/w-d-xo.html
Making top quality wine has always been expensive. It was when Egypt was building the pyramids and it still is today. And malt beverage has always been the assessable alternative as grains are much cheaper/faster to grow and ferment. It comes down to cost of manufacturing and the exclusivity of certain areas that produce sought after wine grapes, as well as the 12-48 months of aging a premium red wine needs before release. When you factor in the aging potential of these same wines in bottle, it increases the cost over time. And there in often lies the snob/superiority factor that has existed for millenniums.
I am someone who started out in the expensive wine category (I used to drink Chateau Petrus a lot when it was 150-170 USD/bottle. But nowdays my tastes have changed and now Riesling and Gewurztraminer are the kings. I gave up on California wines because they are just high alcohol tannin bombs - no character.
The key is to find smaller producers that produce quality wine - much like the beer world. NY Riesling is a great example. I think the pretentiousness is more perceived than real in modern times and that is an issue. Most wine experts I know can appreciate a good 8 dollar bottle of wine as well as a more expensive one but for different reasons. And they are happy to share which ones they find good values. But people still think of wine experts as "wine snobs" because they can smell or taste "lychee" or "cooked red cherries" where many people just taste "red wine". But, like any food or skill, the more you do something the more you will notice the details. A carpenter may hate Ikea but the general public loves Ikea. It doesnt make Ikea bad - just different.
I think the wine world has shifted to more "if you like it drink it - and if it is cheaper that is all the better" but the perception people continue to promote is that wine drinkers are "snobby".
And, BTW: There are definitely a lot of Beer IPA big hops drinkers that are very snobby about beer. Snobs exist in wine, beer, art, or any profession.
Bottom line is I think the $25-$40 range is by far the best wines. Anything above that you get actually diminishing returns and quite frankly I don’t think that most people can taste the difference between middle to high level. After the middle, it’s really just, paying for the brand. I do think there is quite a difference between low. and middle in particular how it’s made and how much effort it put in. You’re definitely getting better quality grapes, and better processing techniques and overall healthier wine
25-50 is the sweet spot for fine wine and I talk about that often. Good call!!
I did and organized loads of double blind tastings
The outcome for Champagne and other sparkling wines
German Dry Riesling Sekt for instance First von Metternich almost always landed in first place, Spanish Dry Cava also always does very very well. Always at the bottom, Expensive (French) Champagne.
So I Don't bother with the marketing crap, and just buy Sekt or Cava.I know that in a blind test I really enjoyed them and enjoy them normally.
Its funny how people I tell this refuse to believe this btw.
On Marketing and presentation. Ilya Gort, a Dutch composer and no nonsense guy has a Winery in France, he makes a very decent wine. He has a TV program on France and Wine. He did the following. He put the same wine in a very heavy glass bottle, a light glass bottle and a plastic bottle. He went to a wine fair in Bordeaux and presented them as the 3 wines he makes at his chateau and let the people fill glasses and taste it.
The Wine in the heavy glass bottle rated very good, the light glass bottle average and the plastic bottle very poorly. Again, it was the same wine.
When tasting you are influenced by the weight of the bottle, the brand, the story.
Thanks for stopping by. There are excellent German Sekts and Cavas (Corpinnats and more) that can compare with Champagne. I do find that casual drinkers don’t always like Champagne. For sure heavy bottles can influence but I still think that really good tasters can still discern a difference - most of the time 😁
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The Funny thing about Champagne, recently the Champagne Region was enlarged. Producers who used to just make Sparkling wine, and their Bottles fetching about 8-12 Euros went to producing real champagne, (the only thing that changed was the law) and now their Sparkling Wine fetches 4-5 times that much.
Your remark about "Casual Drinkers" is a little derogative, you have absolutely no idea what I drink, or for whom I organize blind tastings. Honestly, most Champagnes are very much overpriced well marketed acidic wines that is grown to far north to produce a decent wine.
I wasn’t calling you a casual drinker btw. I said that I think there are good sparkling wines around the world and I have found a lot of casual drinkers don’t prefer champagne.
I have been fooled a lot in blind tastings with Sparkling wine, in fact there’s a whole video about it: th-cam.com/video/VgNTpFifwrM/w-d-xo.html
@@drmatthewhorkey ahhh but which champagne? That's the question. I personally don't really appreciate Veuve Clicquot. I'm not a Moet fan either. I love Bollinger though.
On New Years eve some Moldovan sparkling I liked more than a Veuve Clicquot someone brought. I knew the Veuve Clicquot was "better", but I just didn't appreciate the profile.
I love blanc de blancs. Lallier do a decent one for the price. Ruinart also very very nice, but more expensive.
Just a weird video .. You can make people drink a bucket of sugar mixed in with some grapes that is called wine and it costs $6, and they will tell you it tastes great ... Sugar content is a big thing at least for me .. Dry wines that still taste good is the holly grail for me .. You can't find that for $6 ..
Good call. In Europe it’s possible, especially Portugal, to find some excellent wines for 6 bucks but yes it’s tough
Dr. Horkey. Can you do an episode on oaky after birth wines?
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@@drmatthewhorkey the office clip....
HHahahha I was just at a ‘The Office’ Trivia night and failed miserably
Expensive wines taste the same as cheap wines in a blind tasting is same saying that a Toyota Civic drives the same as a Ferrari SF90 Stradale because it gets you from point A to point B during traffic is similar time.
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I buy canned or tiny wines cuz I’m the only one in my house that drinks. My husband’s stomach can’t handle the acidity of wine regularly so he only has a sip or two. So buying bottles just seems wasteful. But if I only buy tiny versions, I’m limited to the wines that come in tiny versions. It’s funny cuz these tiny wines range from $2.50 to $8 and even to me the $8 ones taste better 😆
Ahhh nice, you might want to check out Coravin or Repour if you want to buy bottled wine and have a glass now while saving the rest for later
If you want your guests to more impressed by the wine you serve, serve it with style!
A nice decanter, big fancy glasses! works every time!....just don't spill the beans?
Good call!
Just like with anything, the difference between the layman's perspective and one of an expert can be night and day. The lay person might look at a painting and a replica of the same painting and prefer the glossy replica. Some people also prefer Weekend at Bernie's to Shindler's List. My issue with their video is that they use these "studies" to try to prove some point about wine. They try to go AH HA, I TOLD YOU SO! But the only thing actually proved is there is a learning curve to wine, just like there is with anything (paintings, model airplanes, literature, film, and every other topic of interest).
This is very well said
Americans love jammy, sweet wines. Idk why, but most do. All those people really need is an alcoholic grape juice and they’re good haha.
A lot of casual drinkers do but not all Americans!
@@drmatthewhorkey I didn’t mean all Americans by any means. I’m an American and I much prefer old world wines. Just meant, seems like the majority prefer the sweeter, jammier stuff.
First of all if you don't have a decent wine glass you can't taste any differences between quality and non-quality wine; that's a fact and no, it's not wine snobbery. I don't ascribe to the Riedel philosophy that you need a different glass for every varietal; that seems excessive. Totally agree on the quality vs. price curve, it is correct and helpful, both to wine geeks and the general public.
Regarding wine competitions they are subjective and humans aren't perfect, so even if someone is a MW or MS they aren't always going to get it right every single time. I know you aren't terribly fond of Decanter wine ratings, but I think their system is more inclusive and balanced that some other wine magazines/competitions. As generally speaking, they taste in teams with chairs rather than just one individual making a call on a wine score.
Yes, their scores are getting a bit too high sometimes, but they are much more inclusive of the greater and evolving wine world, which is constantly changing. Rather than some publications focusing only on Napa, Bordeaux, Burgundy, Tuscany and Piedmont.
You hit the nail on the head, having one decent glass is critical. One of my wine mentors once told me, “in tasting, we all make mistakes!” I tasted with MWs, MS, and writers and it’s true, everyone misses things from time to time - it’s ok!
In that study they quoted, they conveniently didn’t mention that it states that the panel makes up for the variability of individual tasters…
Regarding “decent wine glass” . . . Aren’t there just two things involved: quality of the material “glass” and its shape? You seem to acknowledge that shape may not be all that important, but I can’t imagine that you’re saying some glass is just better quality than others for wine. (And of course different glasses for each varietal is silliness.) As for MS & MW getting it “right” every time in tastings, the question, I think, is how would we define what’s “right,” unless just identifying factors about the wine’s provenance.
You’re right though, most Americans like sweeter wines like their food. Personally I like drier wines usually don’t pay over $30 for a very good wine.
Niccce, you can of course get great wine under 30
After tasting only 2 maybe 3 wines that are really 💥Shockingly Beautiful❤ out of 1,000,000?, -- add one thing: the $ price $ of a treasure hunt. Real treasure that takes money and lots of practice time. That is what great wine is about. Plus great wine is best at about 35 years old and might still be good hundreds of years, if kept like treasure. Time is money! Some wines are great young but not at that level. Thanks for the beautiful and passionate and correct info, Dr. Horkey.🙏
You said a lot of great things... Wine is all about discovery! There will be ups and downs just like life.
The average person does not give a fuck. That was the point of the video from Vox.
I like an $8.99 bottle of Duplin Wine, as much as I do a $150 bottle of wine I had at an Italian restaurant in Marina Del Rey.
You are right, most people don’t care that much
I am from southern Europe and I can tell you that quality made red wine roll. Always beat a five dollar store brand if you know what you’re looking for. Not only that but you’re definitely getting a better quality. However, once you move above $40 it’s honestly, not worth the price. I just hate and absolutely hate those sparkling wines from Germany. There are absolutely appalling and disgrace of nature, kinda like Las Vegas in the middle of the desert.
Portugal is the exception where cheap wine is sooooo good
It's your money, spend it the way you want. If you can afford a DRC Romanee -Conti, go for it.
All the power to those that can afford it!
I live in Italy and 25/30 gets you a superb wine.
You’re right that price gets you killer wine in Italy!
@@drmatthewhorkey wine here has changes so much in the last 30 years. I do believe and could be wrong the in the 20/30 range Italian wines and perhaps Spanish beat the piss out of Napa Valley and French wines.
You get a lot in Italy, Spain (Portugal and Germany too for that matter) but you can get A LOT in the Rhône, Beaujolais and even Bordeaux at that price… Napa - not so much 😂🤣
@@drmatthewhorkey I work in the film business and did a picture in Portugal a few years back. We did a road trip on our day off to the Duoro Valley and found some really excellent wines. I found Portugal great for wines, food so so unless you like frango and bacalao. 😂😂😂
Hahaha the country has a lot more to offer food-wise. I used to share your sentiments until I started digging deeper (I go once or twice per year). What was the film???
Great video bro. Wine is liquid art. Some people may just enjoy more looking at cartoons than Van Gogh or Picasso.
Hahahhaha that is a better example than what I said... you are quicker on your feet than I am.
The Vox video was click bait. I have never tasted a bottle of $7 wine that blew me away.
I generally half to agree with you in the US and UK markets. However, in Portugal that’s a different story.
You can get amazing 5$ wine in Italy yumm
Compare what you can get at Aldi Süd in Germany with what’s at Aldi in the United States, which is run by Aldi Süd (Aldi Nord bought Trader Joe’s years ago). A €3 wine at Aldi Süd is often better than a $6 wine at Aldi in the U. S. - but if you can believe e.g. Konstantin Baum, don’t expect superlative wine on the cheap from Aldi though it’s not impossible.
Those "party glasses" (made of plastic??) sure were indicting. Bogus!
Agreed!
To me it is all about the taste
that's the spirit!
Good respons
Thank you!
its never wrong to stick with the wine you actually enjoy. if you really enjoy a Yellow Tail with friends, who is to Judge your happiness is incorrect? i personally enjoy Duckhorn and Talbot, they are sort of my go-to wine. And i think they are just 10%-15% "less tasty" than a Sassicaia. but they are roughly 1/4 the price. Fun Video Thanks.
Duckhorn and Talbot are still some
serious wines as go-tos 😬
This vox video was made by someone that don’t really love wine . Although a lot of people see wine as a money thing , status , etc, I think that people that really love wine just enjoy the memories that are produced by it . If the wine has a good quality, and the company too , it’s prone to produce good times . That’s it !
I totally agree!
Well said on the last point
Wine, just lke many products, is all about perceived value. It is a culture that is still new and it is comes across as elitist. This goes in tandem that 'wine tasting is a business.'
When it comes to uber expensive wines (over $100) you are right, perceived value does make a big difference
Haha, I can totally be aware of a 1000 things at the same time....or at least I think I do if I've had a bottle of wine.
Such an 8...
Yellow Tail barf....
Lol
wine professional kind of silly job
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