Finally I understand what 'Muscle' is when the kid tries to put the pouch up to Logans face in Cathedral and says 'Muscle', the kid is trying to dose Logan with drugs and cause him to fit and die... This clip really should have been left in the film! i always thought he was saying muscle him as in overpower him... lol
Here's a theory. I have no evidence to support it, just a hunch. But here it is: what if 'Cathedral' and 'Carousel' were originally just what their names suggest? When the City was first founded, maybe Carousel was a thrill ride of some kind, and Cathedral actually contained churches and temples of some sort. I can't imagine the insane society we see in Logan and Jessica's time _started out_ that way, so at some point along the way things were repurposed. Again, just a theory.
Actually I ended up watching clips of this movie because a few countries are starting to offer voluntary euthanasia to the mentally ill and the disabled. It's quite easy to extrapolate down that slippery slope. Our society may well get there one day and it will not have started that way.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 Yeah, and sometimes even now the 'voluntary' part gets stretched noticeably. You can put a lot of pressure on someone without actually, _technically_ making it compulsory.
@@shermanlee4037 Exactly. We have all seen it already. Just like taking a certain jab or wearing a mask wasn't _technically_ the law last year. Plenty of social pressure was whipped up to make life very awkward for those people who would seem to put a burden on every one else.
When I first saw the movie the part where Billy the Cub leader shouts 'muscle!' and slams the mask over Logan's mouth, I was unsure what was happening. It was only when I read the Marvel comics adaption a couple of years later that the use of Muscle was explained.
Interesting: if I'm reading the sign on the wall right, 'Cathedral Plaza' has a dedication date of either 2025 or 2075 (it's hard to tell), and next to it is "A.D." Which if I'm reading it right is another hint that the society in Logan and Jessica's time did not _start out_ that way. Apparently in earlier stages they still used Gregorian dates. Somewhere along the way the City of Domes appears to have gradually or suddenly changed into what it is by Logan's time.
I know Logan's Run was a long movie, but a release with all these deleted or even incomplete scenes would have been great. But I guess this was before VHS changed the industry
That little extra bit of dialogue makes this scene way more scary, removing it is like removing the ‘scum and villainy’ line from Star Wars. Or indeed, adding a CGI 3 stooges comedy routine just after it… 🙄
It was orders from the computer, he had to befriend those suspected of wanting to avoid their death sentence, and find out where Sanctuary was. Least that's how I remember it
@@nicosmind3 Yes. Logan has been sent 'undercover' to destroy Sanctuary and break the escape railroad, and Jessica is his only lead on that at this point, so he has to keep her close and trusting. Of course, before long Jessica starts to get to Logan, too.
Nope. The version on Netflix is the standard theatrical edit. It does not contain Jessica asking, "Do you believe flameout is the ultimate thrill?" nor Logan explaining the affects of the drug Muscle.
Actually, that might make an interesting horror angle. The residents of the City are pure materialists, they don't even know what a 'ghost' might be. But if ghosts do exist, imagine how many ghosts must hover over the City, ghosts of people who died on Carousel expecting to renew, ghosts denied their rightful life, generations of them...
Jenny Agutter is such a cutey. And that voice! I could listen to her all day long.
She was amazing in American Werewolf In London
Indeed.
Saw this movie when it first came out, I was 13...crushed hard for Jenny...peak posh Brit hottie.
Finally I understand what 'Muscle' is when the kid tries to put the pouch up to Logans face in Cathedral and says 'Muscle', the kid is trying to dose Logan with drugs and cause him to fit and die... This clip really should have been left in the film! i always thought he was saying muscle him as in overpower him... lol
"i always thought he was saying muscle him as in overpower him" - Me too, mate.
Good to know what it was really all about.
Jenny Agutter is my drug of choice. 😍
Here's a theory. I have no evidence to support it, just a hunch. But here it is: what if 'Cathedral' and 'Carousel' were originally just what their names suggest? When the City was first founded, maybe Carousel was a thrill ride of some kind, and Cathedral actually contained churches and temples of some sort. I can't imagine the insane society we see in Logan and Jessica's time _started out_ that way, so at some point along the way things were repurposed. Again, just a theory.
That's fascinating, so many layers and possibilities to this movie. Love that suggestion
I actually thought the Same thing that the city in logans run was more grand
Actually I ended up watching clips of this movie because a few countries are starting to offer voluntary euthanasia to the mentally ill and the disabled. It's quite easy to extrapolate down that slippery slope. Our society may well get there one day and it will not have started that way.
@@goodlookinouthomie1757 Yeah, and sometimes even now the 'voluntary' part gets stretched noticeably. You can put a lot of pressure on someone without actually, _technically_ making it compulsory.
@@shermanlee4037 Exactly. We have all seen it already. Just like taking a certain jab or wearing a mask wasn't _technically_ the law last year. Plenty of social pressure was whipped up to make life very awkward for those people who would seem to put a burden on every one else.
I wonder why the director cut out that dialogue. The bit about muscle was relevant.
My guess is someone at MGM got cold feet at the last minute regarding depicting drug use by minors.
When I first saw the movie the part where Billy the Cub leader shouts 'muscle!' and slams the mask over Logan's mouth, I was unsure what was happening. It was only when I read the Marvel comics adaption a couple of years later that the use of Muscle was explained.
@@Ashworth6 Marvel Comics were the bomb
@@Greathall75, and even more so since they were seeking to avoid an R rating.
Oh. My. God. That. Dress.
Love this movie!
Interesting: if I'm reading the sign on the wall right, 'Cathedral Plaza' has a dedication date of either 2025 or 2075 (it's hard to tell), and next to it is "A.D." Which if I'm reading it right is another hint that the society in Logan and Jessica's time did not _start out_ that way. Apparently in earlier stages they still used Gregorian dates. Somewhere along the way the City of Domes appears to have gradually or suddenly changed into what it is by Logan's time.
I know Logan's Run was a long movie, but a release with all these deleted or even incomplete scenes would have been great. But I guess this was before VHS changed the industry
Seems they dropped the whole 'flameout' idea from the final cut. Pity. It would give those on Carousel more of an incentive.
Hyperloop back in the 70s... I got ya Elon! and here I thoughty you were an innovator!
It's only a model
Shh.
I Saw this in a london movie in surround sound iwas 12 years old it was so wooow. I look behind me and box was so shocking.
That little extra bit of dialogue makes this scene way more scary, removing it is like removing the ‘scum and villainy’ line from Star Wars.
Or indeed, adding a CGI 3 stooges comedy routine just after it… 🙄
The magic age of "Space Tape" the 1970s.
Miniatures should be filmed in slow motion.
Man, I just realized what a lousy cop Logan was. Having a civilian female following him into an unknown and dangerous situation like that.
It was orders from the computer, he had to befriend those suspected of wanting to avoid their death sentence, and find out where Sanctuary was.
Least that's how I remember it
@@nicosmind3 Yes. Logan has been sent 'undercover' to destroy Sanctuary and break the escape railroad, and Jessica is his only lead on that at this point, so he has to keep her close and trusting. Of course, before long Jessica starts to get to Logan, too.
They should legalize muscle!
i knew a cub. i see why the elder looked the other way
super film:)
I could swear the finished film had some references to 'muscle'
2073 AD or 2075AD looking at the lettering in the background at 01:45
cathedral...wouldn't be calling it that nowadays.
Apart, obviously, from sex-godess Jenny Agutter's appearance in the film, this scene is a million times better in the novel.
True, but then that would apply to just about any scene in this film, or any scene in the novel.
Muscle? Sounds like futuristic meth to me!
much more exotic ! like ketamine is to alien encounters
this is in Netflix version now.
Nope. The version on Netflix is the standard theatrical edit. It does not contain Jessica asking, "Do you believe flameout is the ultimate thrill?" nor Logan explaining the affects of the drug Muscle.
Ok. What’s with the subtitles??
Some of the dialogue audio is very muffled. Subtitles seemed like the best solution.
Imagine how much poltergeist activity must be around those cubs.
Actually, that might make an interesting horror angle. The residents of the City are pure materialists, they don't even know what a 'ghost' might be. But if ghosts do exist, imagine how many ghosts must hover over the City, ghosts of people who died on Carousel expecting to renew, ghosts denied their rightful life, generations of them...