I was in the Herkimer congregation with them in upstate NY! I thought about Joe the other day because of his clock repair business. I NEVER thought they would leave so this gives me hope for my mom who was my best friend. This is wild. Definitely going to reach out to them
Gods word is truth Jesus said.. Matt 10:36 needed to be fulfilled.. How..when ? Rev 11:6 also needed to be fulfilled.. When ? When will earth's future rulers qualify to rule ..fully tested ? Do we really understand the mechanics which takes us towards Armageddon ? Rev 16:13&14 reveals its being accomplished by God using lies which come out of the Mouth of the DRAGON THE FALSE PROPHET and WILD BEAST. Those lies HAVE given fuel..ex witnesses and activists use to motivate them to go to the King's/ authorities..after all the disgusting things they have experienced and heard about.. Caused by policies towards the nations as rev 19:15 says..the task as such given the two witnesses. This is truth..it can be questioned and examined..and provably STANDS UP to scrutiny. Each one has to make their own decision as to whether they ll respond..coming back to the path leading to life..which Jesus said was through a cramped gate..where one might get scraped in the efforts to get through..only to walk on a narrow path..where every step on the way you have to concentrate..
Why did revelation say humility would be required ? Singing the song of Moses @ rev 15:3 Why was John trying to get us to meditate on Moses ..(and the red sea deliverance ?)
I live in an area that no one cares,in a way,im glad,its peaceful but sometimes I feel the need to belong,but you do get use to it,I was never disfellowshiped or disassociated,disassociate, some witnesses call on a neighbour, I say hi to them and they never try to witness to me,a disfellowshiped friend I work for said I must be on the do not call list,gotta love the loving brotherhood,been here for 5 years and a few know I'm here
To the other side of the story. I was friends with Joe and Fran for quite a few years before their relationship with JW. In fact, I met them when he was a counselor at the college I attended. After they joined, I lost touch with them. I had no idea why until they contacted me through Face Book late last year. I'm so glad they got in touch with me but it's heartbreaking that their children have shunned them. It makes me wonder about the ways dominate ideology cloaks other heinous acts in the name of conformity.
Oh my goodness this was the best. interview I have seen in a long time. What a sweet couple I would love to talk to them. I left the CULT5 years ago. I am being shined on by every friend I knew, and my oldest son it’s heartbreaking. Love you, Fran and Joe thank you Wendy for your awesome program.
I so love this couple!! They show that exjws are "real" people. How authentic they truly are. Also I'm so glad that Fran kept her marriage vows and chose her husband Joe over those buffoons (elders).
Dear Friends We are very thankful to the Watchtower Society for teaching our family God’s direction for us and the hope we hold for our lives and that of our friends. However, when a member expresses any questions about Watchtower policy, teachings or directives, the member is met with potential discipline and frequently, resulting in what is termed as “disfellowshipping.” Immediately, all members are directed to “shun” them, that is, effectively cutting off all communication with them. They immediately lose all physical, social, psychological and emotional support that is critical to their health and welfare. This organizational practice of Spiritual Bullying has no place in the Christian Congregation, let alone in civilized society. In glaring contrast, love directs us to show the kind of love and attention that Jesus displayed when he was present, loving them, not shunning them. We are actively raising awareness of the high rates of depression, suicide and violence among our disfellowshipped and disassociated friends. They have been and are presently being shunned by all congregation members, including friends and family. We invite you to join us in displaying true friendship in raising awareness of this present human rights crisis. We are finding much support in our community for the need to end this inhumane, destructive religious practice. Tragically, shunning produces victims. Therefore, the Christian principled practice of extending love and active support to those affected is what we are promoting. We invite you to share in the joy this produces for all. Until The Watchtower Society makes the required changes, we are completely removing ourselves from any involvement in it. Our focus is on showing the needed love and care for all our friends. We invite all to share in this. And to put an end to shunning immediately. Sincerely,
All the best in your endeavors because right now iam fading and I know iam going to loose my daughter and 3 grandchildren I work so hard to raise my children as a single mother now my daughter is married to an elder he treats her so badly and now she will have to shunned me she is waking up too but for the children she can't come out as yet can you imagine she shunning me and know it's not true she will still call me when she is at work but the grandchildren can't visit me no more neither my daughter the husband would not allow her and she can't let him know she is waking what a horrible way to live good for you support your husband thanks for the vedio
@@missrob4538 Hello, Yes, this is definitely a hard time for you with what you are possibly facing. I'm glad you think that your daughter is waking up too. My heart goes out to both of you. I'm hoping that when your daughter wakes up that you'll see her and your grandkids more often. It's sad to hear about how her elder husband treats her, unfortunately this is all too common within this organization. The kind of oppression that she's under may keep her in the Org longer than she may want to be. So if possible, be sure to let her know that you have an open door policy for her and the kids. Is there anything that you and her like to do together? If so, maybe you can set some time out to see her and the kids to do some of those things. Spring is just around the corner so taking her and the kids to the park can help you two become even closer while watching the kids playing. Making sure that she knows that you have your heart and home open to her and the grandkids can be of great support to her if she ever chooses to leave him.
We need to sue the Watchtower for discrimination and hateful crimes. Some should get monetary compensation and maybe all have been used by the Watchtower for their own profits. Why do we not get more legal advice and advice about Class Action Lawsuits and Criminal Lawsuits? Lawsuits become mainstream media news and that news comes to the attention of JW's and can help to awaken them.
Thank you Fran and Joe for sharing your story. My husband and I are 49 and 51 and just woke up last year. We too are being shunned by our adult kids and therefore can not have contact with our 5 grandkids. It’s heartbreaking 💔. That aside, we are happier than ever and our marriage too is better than ever. Your story is so encouraging to us.
Stefanie E. We are too being shunned by our adult daughter and they are keeping our granddaughter and soon to be our grandson from us. We’re learning to be at peace with it but it’s hard.
Thank you Stephanie, yes it is very liberating! We have many from our former congregation contacting us that have left! We are encouraged by how well they are doing.
I am so sorry for you that your kids have shunned you. 😢 I only hope that your grandkids look you up when they are adults and reconnect with you! The kids ALWAYS suffer the most. They should be allowed to continue seeing you both as they are too young to understand what’s going on. They’re also being punished! Wishing you happiness and love in your NEW lives xx
Hello Wendi and Thanks for having this loving couple on your show! I love them so much and actually talked to them on the Rick Feron show on the Six Screens show. I just saw them on the Vivean show and you were mentioned on this show and so I had to back track to this video. Love them so much and always glad to see you interview wonderful people. Always a thumbs UP for your channel and shared for the prettiest and most beautiful red head woman on the internet. Much love and mad respect to you and your family. A+++ : )
Hi Everyone! I’m not a JW nor ever will be. I watch these videos in support of all of you who have lost family & friends due to shunning caused by watchtower. Hardly “Christian” behaviour. It makes me sick to the stomach every time they call themselves a RELIGION!! My heart hurts for you all! I am very happy for Joe & Fran that you have new adopted apostate children and ex -JW friends that make up your new family😃 I truly hope that your children wake up and be reunited with you! The brain washing has to STOP! They are ruining lives yet the talk about the gay community for ruining the earth when they have not brought harm on anyone! Wishing you lots of happiness and love xx
Thank you Rick, our children did thank us for raising them in “ the truth”. This organization splits families. We were told it united families. We found out the opposite. More public awareness is needed so the shunning policy stops! Thank you for your support and kind words.
Wow - the elders also asked me if I believed GB were the appointed slave and I immediately realized I should evade the question and instead answered that I believed everything that Christ teaches. They pressed me to answer their question but I said if my answer that I believed everything that Christ teaches was not sufficient to them, it was their problem.
I faced 2018 after finding out about Caz and Arc. My husband struggled at first, but after allowing himself to research he left 2019. The following 2 years were the happiest for us and our daughters as a family. Sadly, we lost my husband end of 2021 to cancer, but I will always be grateful for those wonderful two years. We'd had a good solid relationship anyway, but there was always the stress of doing more, etc. The relief we all felt was enormous.
We are so sorry for you loss! Thankfully you did have a nice relationship. We have a large community of support. Please reach out to us if you would like to talk. We are in central New York State Eastern Standard Time.
Sending love from a proud Australian Heretic! You can count me as another spiritual daughter and sister ❤ I am so grateful none of my family or friends ever joined in the 15 years I was in. I feel your pain though, as all except 1 kind brother shunned me when I disassociated. Thankfully he also left and enjoys freedom from these wicked people. God bless you all.
I'm just at the 30 minutes mark of this video... Already I think what a marvelous couple they are...Best experience I have listened to for some time... I will carry on to the end...
Im from Australia and at the time of the ARC we were all encouraged by the local elders to tune in and show our support for the org. It was eye opening for me to live through everyone's reactions, many felt those who were called to give evidence 'gave a fine witness' as they say, other reactions included being disgusted and 'stumbled' as that org also says..
@@Joeandfran this was another nail in the coffin for me. I was already dissatisfied with the lack of love on many levels in the org. I truly left after my son told me he didn't want to do it anymore. He was baptised so as you know I would've been expected to shun him, he is my only child and the person I love the most in the world. Covid happened about 3 months later and I stopped attending meetings then. It's only truly now I have moved on. It took me time to work thru my experiences and make sense of it all. I hope you guys are ok and happy x
@@OnzaRaybone hi Onza, thank you for reaching out. I am glad you are out with your son. You are loving because you would not shun, unlike what they say that shunning is the loving thing to do!
I love joe and Fran. I basically grew up in the same congregation. I bet they were there when I got disfellowship back in 2017. The name I went by back than was Bahthalawmae but after I turn 18 I just changed my name to Kevin. But I love Joe and Fran fried Doe, still have some beautiful memories with them. I’m so glad they are so happy now
Sometimes you have to go no contact because those people are narcissists and abusive and/ or overstepping boundaries, knowingly or not, so to protect yourself, this is the only option. You can stay true to your core by doing this in a respectful and dignifying way, and it is very personal for everyone.
Thank you Wendi, thank you Joe and Fran, from the bottom of my heart. This was so touching and made me very emotional. I woke up during the pandemic also. My parents are about your age and they are soft-shunning me (I did a hard fade). Their timeline and story was so similar to yours. But the reverse happened in my family, me and my siblings all woke up, not my parents. I SO wish they could see the things you guys could see. My husband and kids are also PIMI and it's such a lonely place. I needed to hear this so badly. Thank you.
I'm thrilled to find your channel Wendi. The entire interview flows... Y'all remind me of the friends I had. Real people where no topic was off subject... Also, you listened.
Thank you for this channel. Thank you for this interview. I know being brave in the bold is not easy to do. I was disfellowshipped because after years of being beaten and the Elders telling me I have to stay with my abuser, I got a divorce. 2 years later I started dating a Ministerial Servant and we got married. We both got disfellowshipped. Being abused is pretty close to death. For the Elders to want me to stay in an abusive marriage was wrong. Then my hubby and I started questioning things after they were upset coming after us for my marriage issue. The Pagan issues for not celebrating holidays yet they have their main worship meeting on Sunday. The Jewish faith has kept the original Sabbath this is why they have their services the day they do. Sunday Sabbath is something caused by Pagans yet Watchtower Society allows that. So many other doctrinal hpocrises from there. I had been a Regular Pioneer for 15 years. I felt sick because I sold this lie to so many. For anyone who is shunned by family, you have a family now ❤️
Thank you so much for sharing. I’m sorry you endured that. I went through something similar in my marriage and it was a harrowing experience. Happy you’re here
Wow this man foresaw how things was going to pan out! The sheep will grow 🦷 how do you know the device brought in would not be a gun! That’s exactly what happened in Germany. Good interview.
Thank you Joysparks, we hope your parents will wake up soon as do our children. This organization has such a hold on folks. Jesus words are true, “ you will know my disciples, they have love among themselves! Fran
Their story really broke my heart. As always thank you for shedding light on people's experiences and the real truth. I'm much happier since waking up 🙏
Hello it's me gillie from the Uk , love to here your reports , makes me feel l am not alone in getting out after 5yrs . Sorry to say my husband cant let go we often quarrel , and after 51 years of marriage this hurts . Strange he lost interest in the faith for 2years. But got caught up again because of a close friend in the group . Sad but maybe he will tire again . Thanks for listening
I love hearing about other ex/JW’s who risk it all in order to live authentically. It’s not easy , but the freedom is priceless. I know the example this couple set will not be in vain. Big hugs to those who lost children or parents for leaving the cult. 🤗
Fran and Joe are such an adorable couple! I think after this interview we al wish they would be our adopitve parents. Thank you Wendi, I love your channel! A big hug from Germany 🤗
A beautiful interview, as always Wendi. I just love you and all you do for our community. Thank you. Also, I love this couple! Thanks for sharing this wonderful interview. ❤️ Love you bunches. ❤️
I love you both so much ❤️. Thank you Wendi for having them on your show! I am shunned by my JW children so I know how Joe and Fran feel although they are doing way better than I am mentally. I’ll be calling tomorrow, I need to talk. Thank you 🥰
👋, I've truly enjoyed and appreciate this video. Wendy, you all are doing an amazing job helping ex JW's and the community. Please 🙏 keep up the great work!!! Sending much ❤️ and support. Please, please post the cookie information from the beautiful couple. I would love ❤️ some "APOSTATE COOKIES".... This interview was nicely done.
My Dad was an elder till the day he died. Not till years later after watching 'apostate' channels have I realized what I suspected but could not verbalize. Even though I was disfellowshiped about 30 years ago....I was in a Cult!! My Dad never ' treated his wife like his own body'. They read this scripture a LOT but my Dad did not live by that scripture.
I had some of those apostate cookies and they are delicious. Thank you, Joe, Fran and Wendi, for this interview you are helping so many of us exjws. We are not alone in how we feel about that horrible organization that is controlled by eight old men out of NY oh excuse me. Now it's ten old men aka governing body members.
Great story and happy your are both free. It is always difficult to still see your family still in not understanding that they being lied to. I basically text a letter to the elder I was closer to. In that letter I indicated that I didn't want anything to do with an organization that is guilty of thousands of lives being taken by men using unscriptural rules. My Daughter is still in and she was hurt but she needs to understand why I did it. I also text her what I sent. Joe I felt the same way you felt about these elders and wanted to hurt them for interfering with my family. However, These elders know they have no truth and they also know they are slaves to an organization and that is punishment enough. I am sure my daughter will eventually wake up and we will always be here for her. I figure the sooner I act the sooner she will react to what my findings and thinking process is. All we want is for all current members to be brave and research for them self..proof us wrong. The reality is that it will be very difficult for them to do so since there are thousand of evidence proving all their criminal acts. Shunning is their only solution... but the world is catching up to them.
@@Joeandfran Thank you for the note. One other thing I found out is that Jehovah it is not the heavenly fathers name. I no longer believe that the entire bible is inspired by God. But if indeed it was the actual Bible states that no one should be adding to it or replacing anything to it. The JW's replace lord or God everywhere in the Bible with Jehovah. No father or parent wants to be call by their first name... and the incorrect name makes it worst. Joe I am so glad you're free and with lots of time for true research.
LOVED this couple💖🤗 & would like any links to their support group .. EX JW 24+YRS ✌ living in FL🌴 My JW FAM @NJ,NY,PR 🙏praying they wake up soon Just subscribed✨
Hi Wendi ,and the Guerino. Love this interview. When he said he phone the trooper , I thought that was brilliant. If there is one think the ''organization ""🤮 hate the most ,is to have there precious reputation or image, tarnishes with ''Worldly" people. More Ex-Jw should do that when a JW family member is shunning you , have like the police phone them, or a none JW phone them , they won't change there mind , JW are so stubborn but at least you brought Shame on that evil cult. I too was more than 40 years a Jw , I just left . I don't play by there rule neither, There is no way in Watchtower hell i will write them a dissociated letter. Maybe a Post- it ..😁 something like: You Lie. Your a Cult , I'm done..😂 Always like your channel Wendie...
Hi.The scripture in Revelations Where the angel tells John not to bow down to him(the angel);was brought to my mind when you mentioned your daughter's question about the gov. body...People are worshipping men..notFather .. You all take care..
The sheep is evolving razor sharp teeth and getting a taste for blood and lying down with the lion as it peacefully grazes on grass ,yum ,yum ,yummy roast lion. Justin Porter ex jw ❤️
I think that their kids are going to wake up as they see their families(relationships) dying off because of the organization then they will be leaving this earth and they will not have them anymore .
Joe with all due respect, I doubt that you let your wife complete even one sentence or thought. I suggest you work on that. Wendi, it is not comfortable for me when men or women are not modest about their dress. Fran I would like to speak with you and to have the opportunity to build a friendship.
I think all marriages are difficult at the beginning especially we couldnt date long enough to get to know your partner that you are not in love with this person, I was told that I was selfish since he will be die and your son, so I got married it was 21 yrs. of hell for me, I never loved him I suffered, but my children only then I knew what real love is. I am out and found my LORD with BORN AGAIN they answer every question that anyone asks after a sermon, no elders etc. were all in one, no one is higher than another one, plus we use the JKV, BIBLE it was never changed after all these years the first Bible, cause JWS have never changed . The LORD has said if someone write another BIBLE there all lies. The LORD never lied and will not
God made a covenant ( contract, promise) with the Jewish nation. The watchtower claims it is with them as they are the "spiritual Jews". That is not what God said. God would not change or break his word.
Wendi, I think you are local to me. I know you are friends with Ken Mayo. My son worked for him and we worked together on Quik builds. I’ve been out or about. 3 years now. Do any of the local ex jdubs ever get together? As you can imagine my family has shut me off and I really don’t fit with the world. It woul be nice to make some new friends. I’m close to P S l .
@@WendiRenay I'll keep trying. Weird, this has never happened. Oh, I have a question. You posted a video on Facebook about your new job and the circumstances surrounding how you landed that job. Do you have that video available anywhere? Once I watched it, it was gone. 😊Congrats by the way, I'm so happy for you! ❤️
@@nolongerconfused6284 yeah it’s in my Instagram highlights! Thank you! I have several people saying the sound is perfect for them I’m concerned there’s an error I’m not finding
Great video thankyou so much for sharing 🫶🏼 My son is an elder, Jo talked on the judicial hearings, I’m soon to talk to my son and putting together things I can bring up one thing is about CSA I’ve already planted that seed to all 3 of my kids still in I have one out who’s courage got me out, to tell him to be sure to go to police 1st then the org pyramid because he can be sued it’s against the law to not call the police, more if they don’t get up and run. He has Asperger’s and prone to melt downs very vulnerable, I worry it’s all to much for him he has a gorgeous wife both pioneers Bethal knocking at their door 😢 I am speaking with my oldest boy tomorrow 😱 that I have left and why 💃🫶🏼✌🏼💗💫 Protest oct 31 us capital look it up we gathering locals here on Gold Coast australia and going to protest out side our local Kingdom Halls and spreading the news so all can join in all over the world. “ let yourself become free in 2023” you two are amazing and love your love n kindness Wendy very healing 💗 Thankyou for your work maybe one day I can tell you my story single mum of 4 how they treat women blows my mind. I now look into nature astrology bible roots animal behaviour and the power within us all 💫 that got taken away from us and finding that power. I see it in the people exposing this cult ✌🏼
Bravo to Joe and Fran! Your courage has helped many to come out of this toxic religion and has informed people on the outside to not get involved.
I was in the Herkimer congregation with them in upstate NY! I thought about Joe the other day because of his clock repair business. I NEVER thought they would leave so this gives me hope for my mom who was my best friend. This is wild. Definitely going to reach out to them
Real Truth can handle questions and debate...Only Lies and Deception cannot take questions...This is a Beautiful Interview..Thank You Everyone
Gods word is truth Jesus said..
Matt 10:36 needed to be fulfilled..
How..when ?
Rev 11:6 also needed to be fulfilled..
When ?
When will earth's future rulers qualify to rule ..fully tested ?
Do we really understand the mechanics which takes us towards Armageddon ?
Rev 16:13&14 reveals its being accomplished by God using lies which come out of the Mouth of the DRAGON
THE FALSE PROPHET and WILD BEAST.
Those lies HAVE given fuel..ex witnesses and activists use to motivate them to go to the King's/ authorities..after all the disgusting things they have experienced and heard about..
Caused by policies towards the nations as rev 19:15 says..the task as such given the two witnesses.
This is truth..it can be questioned and examined..and provably STANDS UP to scrutiny.
Each one has to make their own decision as to whether they ll respond..coming back to the path leading to life..which Jesus said was through a cramped gate..where one might get scraped in the efforts to get through..only to walk on a narrow path..where every step on the way you have to concentrate..
Why did revelation say humility would be required ?
Singing the song of Moses @ rev 15:3
Why was John trying to get us to meditate on Moses ..(and the red sea deliverance ?)
Amen
I live in an area that no one cares,in a way,im glad,its peaceful but sometimes I feel the need to belong,but you do get use to it,I was never disfellowshiped or disassociated,disassociate, some witnesses call on a neighbour, I say hi to them and they never try to witness to me,a disfellowshiped friend I work for said I must be on the do not call list,gotta love the loving brotherhood,been here for 5 years and a few know I'm here
Thank you Wendi Fran and Joe !!!❤❤❤
Excellent letter Joe! Spiritual bullying is the perfect definition.
Thank you!
To the other side of the story. I was friends with Joe and Fran for quite a few years before their relationship with JW. In fact, I met them when he was a counselor at the college I attended. After they joined, I lost touch with them. I had no idea why until they contacted me through Face Book late last year. I'm so glad they got in touch with me but it's heartbreaking that their children have shunned them. It makes me wonder about the ways dominate ideology cloaks other heinous acts in the name of conformity.
Oh my goodness this was the best. interview I have seen in a long time. What a sweet couple I would love to talk to them. I left the CULT5 years ago. I am being shined on by every friend I knew, and my oldest son it’s heartbreaking. Love you, Fran and Joe thank you Wendy for your awesome program.
Our pleasure!
Call us any
I so love this couple!! They show that exjws are "real" people. How authentic they truly are. Also I'm so glad that Fran kept her marriage vows and chose her husband Joe over those buffoons (elders).
Thank you Danette, the courageous thing isn’t the easiest but in the end we can feel good about our decision! Fran
Dear Friends
We are very thankful to the Watchtower Society for teaching our family God’s direction for us and the hope we hold for our lives and that of our friends. However, when a member expresses any questions about Watchtower policy, teachings or directives, the member is met with potential discipline and frequently, resulting in what is termed as “disfellowshipping.”
Immediately, all members are directed to “shun” them, that is, effectively cutting off all communication with them. They immediately lose all physical, social, psychological and emotional support that is critical to their health and welfare. This organizational practice of Spiritual Bullying has no place in the Christian Congregation, let alone in civilized society.
In glaring contrast, love directs us to show the kind of love and attention that Jesus displayed when he was present, loving them, not shunning them.
We are actively raising awareness of the high rates of depression, suicide and violence among our disfellowshipped and disassociated friends. They have been and are presently being shunned by all congregation members, including friends and family. We invite you to join us in displaying true friendship in raising awareness of this present human rights crisis.
We are finding much support in our community for the need to end this inhumane, destructive religious practice. Tragically, shunning produces victims. Therefore, the Christian principled practice of extending love and active support to those affected is what we are promoting. We invite you to share in the joy this produces for all.
Until The Watchtower Society makes the required changes, we are completely removing ourselves from any involvement in it. Our focus is on showing the needed love and care for all our friends. We invite all to share in this. And to put an end to shunning immediately.
Sincerely,
Amen.
All the best in your endeavors because right now iam fading and I know iam going to loose my daughter and 3 grandchildren I work so hard to raise my children as a single mother now my daughter is married to an elder he treats her so badly and now she will have to shunned me she is waking up too but for the children she can't come out as yet can you imagine she shunning me and know it's not true she will still call me when she is at work but the grandchildren can't visit me no more neither my daughter the husband would not allow her and she can't let him know she is waking what a horrible way to live good for you support your husband thanks for the vedio
@@missrob4538 Hello,
Yes, this is definitely a hard time for you with what you are possibly facing. I'm glad you think that your daughter is waking up too. My heart goes out to both of you.
I'm hoping that when your daughter wakes up that you'll see her and your grandkids more often. It's sad to hear about how her elder husband treats her, unfortunately this is all too common within this organization. The kind of oppression that she's under may keep her in the Org longer than she may want to be.
So if possible, be sure to let her know that you have an open door policy for her and the kids.
Is there anything that you and her like to do together? If so, maybe you can set some time out to see her and the kids to do some of those things. Spring is just around the corner so taking her and the kids to the park can help you two become even closer while watching the kids playing.
Making sure that she knows that you have your heart and home open to her and the grandkids can be of great support to her if she ever chooses to leave him.
Amen
We need to sue the Watchtower for discrimination and hateful crimes. Some should get monetary compensation and maybe all have been used by the Watchtower for their own profits. Why do we not get more legal advice and advice about Class Action Lawsuits and Criminal Lawsuits? Lawsuits become mainstream media news and that news comes to the attention of JW's and can help to awaken them.
Thank you Fran and Joe for sharing your story. My husband and I are 49 and 51 and just woke up last year. We too are being shunned by our adult kids and therefore can not have contact with our 5 grandkids. It’s heartbreaking 💔. That aside, we are happier than ever and our marriage too is better than ever. Your story is so encouraging to us.
Stefanie E. We are too being shunned by our adult daughter and they are keeping our granddaughter and soon to be our grandson from us. We’re learning to be at peace with it but it’s hard.
I wish my husband would wake up, too. It would make it easier for me since I am shunned by my JW children. I’m glad you have each other 😊
Thank you Stephanie, yes it is very liberating! We have many from our former congregation contacting us that have left! We are encouraged by how well they are doing.
Glad to hear your marriage is good. Sad to hear about your children
I am so sorry for you that your kids have shunned you. 😢
I only hope that your grandkids look you up when they are adults and reconnect with you!
The kids ALWAYS suffer the most.
They should be allowed to continue seeing you both as they are too young to understand what’s going on. They’re also being punished!
Wishing you happiness and love in your NEW lives xx
Really like the fact you stood up for your personal faith & spiritual relationships.
Hello Wendi and Thanks for having this loving couple on your show! I love them so much and actually talked to them on the Rick Feron show on the Six Screens show. I just saw them on the Vivean show and you were mentioned on this show and so I had to back track to this video. Love them so much and always glad to see you interview wonderful people. Always a thumbs UP for your channel and shared for the prettiest and most beautiful red head woman on the internet. Much love and mad respect to you and your family. A+++ : )
Hi Everyone!
I’m not a JW nor ever will be. I watch these videos in support of all of you who have lost family & friends due to shunning caused by watchtower.
Hardly “Christian” behaviour. It makes me sick to the stomach every time they call themselves a RELIGION!!
My heart hurts for you all! I am very happy for Joe & Fran that you have new adopted apostate children and ex -JW friends that make up your new family😃
I truly hope that your children wake up and be reunited with you!
The brain washing has to STOP! They are ruining lives yet the talk about the gay community for ruining the earth when they have not brought harm on anyone! Wishing you lots of happiness and love xx
Thank you Rick, our children did thank us for raising them in “ the truth”. This organization splits families. We were told it united families. We found out the opposite. More public awareness is needed so the shunning policy stops! Thank you for your support and kind words.
LOVED THIS VIDEO, ESPECIALLY JOE AND FRAN!!!!!!!
I Love Fran and Joe!! Excellent interview Wendi. Thank you Fran and Joe 💕
I am IN LOVE with Joe and Fran!!!! Thank you for this beautiful interview!!!! 😍 Great job, Wendi!!!!
Thank you Dawn. We are in love with you because you love!
Wow - the elders also asked me if I believed GB were the appointed slave and I immediately realized I should evade the question and instead answered that I believed everything that Christ teaches. They pressed me to answer their question but I said if my answer that I believed everything that Christ teaches was not sufficient to them, it was their problem.
I faced 2018 after finding out about Caz and Arc. My husband struggled at first, but after allowing himself to research he left 2019. The following 2 years were the happiest for us and our daughters as a family. Sadly, we lost my husband end of 2021 to cancer, but I will always be grateful for those wonderful two years. We'd had a good solid relationship anyway, but there was always the stress of doing more, etc. The relief we all felt was enormous.
We are so sorry for you loss! Thankfully you did have a nice relationship. We have a large community of support. Please reach out to us if you would like to talk. We are in central New York State Eastern Standard Time.
Sending love from a proud Australian Heretic! You can count me as another spiritual daughter and sister ❤ I am so grateful none of my family or friends ever joined in the 15 years I was in. I feel your pain though, as all except 1 kind brother shunned me when I disassociated. Thankfully he also left and enjoys freedom from these wicked people. God bless you all.
Thank you for your support and kind words!
I'm just at the 30 minutes mark of this video... Already I think what a marvelous couple they are...Best experience I have listened to for some time... I will carry on to the end...
Thank you Ed
Im from Australia and at the time of the ARC we were all encouraged by the local elders to tune in and show our support for the org. It was eye opening for me to live through everyone's reactions, many felt those who were called to give evidence 'gave a fine witness' as they say, other reactions included being disgusted and 'stumbled' as that org also says..
Is that when you woke up?
@@Joeandfran this was another nail in the coffin for me. I was already dissatisfied with the lack of love on many levels in the org. I truly left after my son told me he didn't want to do it anymore. He was baptised so as you know I would've been expected to shun him, he is my only child and the person I love the most in the world. Covid happened about 3 months later and I stopped attending meetings then. It's only truly now I have moved on. It took me time to work thru my experiences and make sense of it all. I hope you guys are ok and happy x
@@OnzaRaybone hi Onza, thank you for reaching out. I am glad you are out with your son. You are loving because you would not shun, unlike what they say that shunning is the loving thing to do!
Thanks for your strength, honesty and fortitude, all three of you! 💪
Thank you too Tim! “Iron Sharpens Iron!”
I love joe and Fran. I basically grew up in the same congregation. I bet they were there when I got disfellowship back in 2017. The name I went by back than was Bahthalawmae but after I turn 18 I just changed my name to Kevin. But I love Joe and Fran fried Doe, still have some beautiful memories with them. I’m so glad they are so happy now
Wendi, what a GREAT interview with such a lovely couple. Well done!
Thank you Trump!
What a lovely couple! God bless you in your spiritual freedom from that harmful cult.
Thank you Jay. We are finding so much support outside of the organization. Our mission is to connect like minded folks together.
Thank you Wendi again love these interviews Joe and Fran are now truly free what a lovely couple.
Thank you Johnny!
Sometimes you have to go no contact because those people are narcissists and abusive and/ or overstepping boundaries, knowingly or not, so to protect yourself, this is the only option. You can stay true to your core by doing this in a respectful and dignifying way, and it is very personal for everyone.
Thank you, Wendi. I have been watching six screens so and this couple is so nice to watch. Thanks so much for all you do.
Thank you Jay!
@@Joeandfran I'm in upstate NY too. I'm in communication with Gail weekly too.
Thank you Wendi, thank you Joe and Fran, from the bottom of my heart. This was so touching and made me very emotional. I woke up during the pandemic also. My parents are about your age and they are soft-shunning me (I did a hard fade). Their timeline and story was so similar to yours. But the reverse happened in my family, me and my siblings all woke up, not my parents. I SO wish they could see the things you guys could see. My husband and kids are also PIMI and it's such a lonely place. I needed to hear this so badly. Thank you.
I love you both! Wendy you too!!❤ amazing testimony
I'm thrilled to find your channel Wendi.
The entire interview flows...
Y'all remind me of the friends I had. Real people where no topic was off subject...
Also, you listened.
Hey Katrina! Nice to meet you! Thank you for saying that, appreciate it!
Such a great couple and interview. I know how hard this has been for you both. I'm so happy you're alive now
Thank you for this channel. Thank you for this interview. I know being brave in the bold is not easy to do. I was disfellowshipped because after years of being beaten and the Elders telling me I have to stay with my abuser, I got a divorce. 2 years later I started dating a Ministerial Servant and we got married. We both got disfellowshipped. Being abused is pretty close to death. For the Elders to want me to stay in an abusive marriage was wrong. Then my hubby and I started questioning things after they were upset coming after us for my marriage issue. The Pagan issues for not celebrating holidays yet they have their main worship meeting on Sunday. The Jewish faith has kept the original Sabbath this is why they have their services the day they do. Sunday Sabbath is something caused by Pagans yet Watchtower Society allows that. So many other doctrinal hpocrises from there. I had been a Regular Pioneer for 15 years. I felt sick because I sold this lie to so many. For anyone who is shunned by family, you have a family now ❤️
Thank you so much for sharing. I’m sorry you endured that. I went through something similar in my marriage and it was a harrowing experience. Happy you’re here
Hi Kryssi, thank you so much . We are sorry for the abuse you endured but glad you are out!
Thank you so much for your channel and this wonderful interview with these two lovely people. Xx
Thank you!
Wow this man foresaw how things was going to pan out! The sheep will grow 🦷 how do you know the device brought in would not be a gun! That’s exactly what happened in Germany. Good interview.
Thank you for sharing your heartfelt story.
Great interview.
Thank you Joysparks, we hope your parents will wake up soon as do our children. This organization has such a hold on folks. Jesus words are true, “ you will know my disciples, they have love among themselves! Fran
Their story really broke my heart. As always thank you for shedding light on people's experiences and the real truth. I'm much happier since waking up 🙏
Hi Becky, thank you so much. Glad for your happiness ❤️
Excellent interview, thank you Joe, Fran and Wendi. Joe and Fran are such an encouragment to the exjw community. Those apostate cookies are delish!!
Hello it's me gillie from the Uk , love to here your reports , makes me feel l am not alone in getting out after 5yrs . Sorry to say my husband cant let go we often quarrel , and after 51 years of marriage this hurts . Strange he lost interest in the faith for 2years. But got caught up again because of a close friend in the group . Sad but maybe he will tire again . Thanks for listening
I love hearing about other ex/JW’s who risk it all in order to live authentically. It’s not easy , but the freedom is priceless. I know the example this couple set will not be in vain. Big hugs to those who lost children or parents for leaving the cult. 🤗
Fran and Joe are such an adorable couple! I think after this interview we al wish they would be our adopitve parents. Thank you Wendi, I love your channel! A big hug from Germany 🤗
They are! .. and thank you so much
Hi Alex, thank you so much! We have a lot of adoptive children. Welcome
A beautiful interview, as always Wendi. I just love you and all you do for our community. Thank you. Also, I love this couple! Thanks for sharing this wonderful interview. ❤️ Love you bunches. ❤️
Thank you Marisa, we love you!
I love you both so much ❤️. Thank you Wendi for having them on your show! I am shunned by my JW children so I know how Joe and Fran feel although they are doing way better than I am mentally. I’ll be calling tomorrow, I need to talk. Thank you 🥰
Sending you a big HUG ❤🤗
I am also an EXJW. I was disfellowshipped. I would like to have some of your "apostate cookies" please.
“Unwitnessing” love it. What a great couple!
Thank you Kat, we have seen the examples of others that inspired us! We can all do our part in some way that will lead to a huge impact! Fran
👋, I've truly enjoyed and appreciate this video. Wendy, you all are doing an amazing job helping ex JW's and the community. Please 🙏 keep up the great work!!! Sending much ❤️ and support. Please, please post the cookie information from the beautiful couple. I would love ❤️ some "APOSTATE COOKIES".... This interview was nicely done.
The cookies are AMAZING, after the recording of this they sent me some. 🥹. SO SO GOOD
Very inspirational❤
“Is your Fear that deep and faith that weak?”….drop the mic❤
My Dad was an elder till the day he died. Not till years later after watching 'apostate' channels have I realized what I suspected but could not verbalize. Even though I was disfellowshiped about 30 years ago....I was in a Cult!! My Dad never ' treated his wife like his own body'. They read this scripture a LOT but my Dad did not live by that scripture.
Hi Gloria, we hear so many stories like yours. Thank you for sharing. Glad you left 30 years ago!
Sweet, sweet couple!
Love your channel, just found you been out over 30 years ĺove this couple
Oh Wendi!!!! Love love loved this video! It was the best! Blessings!💖
Thank you, Virginia!
I watched this and cried… I’m so sorry
Thank you Angie! You are a sweetheart ❤️
Hi Gracie, you are on a great path. We wish you success waking up your children
Another great interview, Wendy!❤
My friends! You can't imagine how I many time I went to Cort in NY to have simple visitation with my three children . They made me cry!
My heart goes out to you. Love from Australia.
Thank you Andy and Wendi!
I had some of those apostate cookies and they are delicious. Thank you, Joe, Fran and Wendi, for this interview you are helping so many of us exjws. We are not alone in how we feel about that horrible organization that is controlled by eight old men out of NY oh excuse me. Now it's ten old men aka governing body members.
Hi Jeannie! Nice to hear from you❤️
Great story and happy your are both free. It is always difficult to still see your family still in not understanding that they being lied to. I basically text a letter to the elder I was closer to. In that letter I indicated that I didn't want anything to do with an organization that is guilty of thousands of lives being taken by men using unscriptural rules. My Daughter is still in and she was hurt but she needs to understand why I did it. I also text her what I sent. Joe I felt the same way you felt about these elders and wanted to hurt them for interfering with my family. However, These elders know they have no truth and they also know they are slaves to an organization and that is punishment enough. I am sure my daughter will eventually wake up and we will always be here for her. I figure the sooner I act the sooner she will react to what my findings and thinking process is. All we want is for all current members to be brave and research for them self..proof us wrong. The reality is that it will be very difficult for them to do so since there are thousand of evidence proving all their criminal acts. Shunning is their only solution... but the world is catching up to them.
Hi Omar, They are on a path to their own destruction and we will see it while we care and have love among ourselves.
@@Joeandfran Thank you for the note. One other thing I found out is that Jehovah it is not the heavenly fathers name. I no longer believe that the entire bible is inspired by God. But if indeed it was the actual Bible states that no one should be adding to it or replacing anything to it. The JW's replace lord or God everywhere in the Bible with Jehovah. No father or parent wants to be call by their first name... and the incorrect name makes it worst. Joe I am so glad you're free and with lots of time for true research.
Totally LOVED this. Hello from New Zealand. Where ova here can u get support ?
I sooooo needed to hear this today sooo beautiful all of you, I want more of you guys can you get together more 🫶🏼
Sure! I know I’d love to !!:)
We would love to also!
Thanks Joe and Fran, it was a nice video. you to Wendy :)
Thank you Jeffrey
Great video I hope Fran and Joe's children wake up
We hope so too, thank you Linda
@@JoeandfranI hope so too❤
LOVED this couple💖🤗 & would like any links to their support group .. EX JW 24+YRS ✌ living in FL🌴 My JW FAM @NJ,NY,PR 🙏praying they wake up soon
Just subscribed✨
Great Job
It's legal to suit for grandparent visitation. Consider it.🥰
Very good video!
Who is my family? They are!!! We are!!!
great letter: the elders now they hiding their heads in the sand waiting for new light from Jehovah.
Yes they are!
Thank you David, witnesses sing about Courage but don’t practice it.
i have the same thought process when speaking about gov. as joe.
Hi Wendi ,and the Guerino. Love this interview. When he said he phone the trooper , I thought that was brilliant. If there is one think the ''organization ""🤮 hate the most ,is to have there precious reputation or image, tarnishes with ''Worldly" people. More Ex-Jw should do that when a JW family member is shunning you , have like the police phone them, or a none JW phone them , they won't change there mind , JW are so stubborn but at least you brought Shame on that evil cult. I too was more than 40 years a Jw , I just left . I don't play by there rule neither, There is no way in Watchtower hell i will write them a dissociated letter. Maybe a Post- it ..😁 something like: You Lie. Your a Cult , I'm done..😂 Always like your channel Wendie...
Hi.The scripture in Revelations Where the angel tells John not to bow down to him(the angel);was brought to my mind when you mentioned your daughter's question about the gov. body...People are worshipping men..notFather ..
You all take care..
The sheep is evolving razor sharp teeth and getting a taste for blood and lying down with the lion as it peacefully grazes on grass ,yum ,yum ,yummy roast lion. Justin Porter ex jw ❤️
“Like lab rats!”
How sick - yet true, that is!
Love this couple.
Sadly Watchtower LIES have destroyed so many lives
I loved the video, however I would like to give a plug for the atheist because for some of us it is a well researched position 🤓
You have as much right as any one else to be respected for your beliefs and to be honored for your character!
@@Joeandfran thanks, Joe
Big News! Watchtower You're Done! Be Free in 2023! 10/31 Protest in Front of White House!!! Keep an eye out for this and research it.
I think that their kids are going to wake up as they see their families(relationships) dying off because of the organization then they will be leaving this earth and they will not have them anymore .
We feel for them. They are tormented!
It is run from Pennsylvania.
Sound OK now!!
Oh yay!
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Joe with all due respect, I doubt that you let your wife complete even one sentence or thought. I suggest you work on that. Wendi, it is not comfortable for me when men or women are not modest about their dress. Fran I would like to speak with you and to have the opportunity to build a friendship.
I think all marriages are difficult at the beginning especially we couldnt date long enough to get to know your partner that you are not in love with this person, I was told that I was selfish since he will be die and your son, so I got married it was 21 yrs. of hell for me, I never loved him I suffered, but my children only then I knew what real love is. I am out and found my LORD with BORN AGAIN they answer every question that anyone asks after a sermon, no elders etc. were all in one, no one is higher than another one, plus we use the JKV, BIBLE it was never changed after all these years the first Bible, cause JWS have never changed . The LORD has said if someone write another BIBLE there all lies. The LORD never lied and will not
I meant jw's changed some versuses , if some do it is wrong cause there lies
God made a covenant ( contract, promise) with the Jewish nation. The watchtower claims it is with them as they are the "spiritual Jews". That is not what God said. God would not change or break his word.
Wendi, I think you are local to me. I know you are friends with Ken Mayo. My son worked for him and we worked together on Quik builds. I’ve been out or about. 3 years now. Do any of the local ex jdubs ever get together? As you can imagine my family has shut me off and I really don’t fit with the world. It woul be nice to make some new friends. I’m close to P S l .
Hi Fred! Of course I’m always open to a meet up! I recently moved from PSL to the Fort Myers area, though.
@@WendiRenay we know people in PSL..I wonder if you knew them. Ronan is the last name.
Please add sound!
I’m not sure the issue - I have others saying the sound is aok!
I can't hear you. 😔 I can hear other TH-cam content.
Volume works on my end! Anyone else?
@@WendiRenay I'll keep trying. Weird, this has never happened. Oh, I have a question. You posted a video on Facebook about your new job and the circumstances surrounding how you landed that job. Do you have that video available anywhere? Once I watched it, it was gone. 😊Congrats by the way, I'm so happy for you! ❤️
@@nolongerconfused6284 yeah it’s in my Instagram highlights! Thank you! I have several people saying the sound is perfect for them
I’m concerned there’s an error I’m
not finding
@@WendiRenay all good for me!
@@WendiRenay it works now! 😁 ❤️
You can get in touch with me through Ken
Keep Exposing Watchtower LIES Abuse and Disgusting Overwhelming Hypocrisy
The volume is too low.
Great video thankyou so much for sharing 🫶🏼 My son is an elder, Jo talked on the judicial hearings, I’m soon to talk to my son and putting together things I can bring up one thing is about CSA I’ve already planted that seed to all 3 of my kids still in I have one out who’s courage got me out, to tell him to be sure to go to police 1st then the org pyramid because he can be sued it’s against the law to not call the police, more if they don’t get up and run. He has Asperger’s and prone to melt downs very vulnerable, I worry it’s all to much for him he has a gorgeous wife both pioneers Bethal knocking at their door 😢 I am speaking with my oldest boy tomorrow 😱 that I have left and why 💃🫶🏼✌🏼💗💫 Protest oct 31 us capital look it up we gathering locals here on Gold Coast australia and going to protest out side our local Kingdom Halls and spreading the news so all can join in all over the world. “ let yourself become free in 2023” you two are amazing and love your love n kindness Wendy very healing 💗 Thankyou for your work maybe one day I can tell you my story single mum of 4 how they treat women blows my mind. I now look into nature astrology bible roots animal behaviour and the power within us all 💫 that got taken away from us and finding that power. I see it in the people exposing this cult ✌🏼