I used to enjoy it for the historical aspect since Heavy Bombers haven’t had much representation outside of old IL2 1946 and whatnot. Now it’s pointless. I instead opt to use B29s in Battlestations Pacific instead :)
The fact that the game at this BR has playable heavy bombers, rather than a game mode where a defending team must try to destroy mass formations of AI bombers and an attacking team must escort and defend them, absolutely baffles me. This would lead to satisfying gameplay for both sides, and the tactics shown here would have a purpose other than making other players ragequit.
@@King63Kobra there's a solution to that, too. Bomber formations in WW2 had a lead aircraft, usually the squadron commander. A player could take that role.
My greatest mistake was fully acing a b29 crew with full gunners and everything because way back when gunners used to start shooting at around 1.5km or something but now they dont bother until like .5km.
50/50 B-17 could take a BF109 to the tail(no, not the shot, the whole plane ramming it) and continue flying. But at the same time the bomber losses were massive. But since WT has ways to buy pilot HP, but not structural durability, the endurance of bombers is balanced towards being sawn to pieces easily. Because plebs must suffer😂
I remember when I got Me 262 C-1a. It was just after Gajin decresed repair costs for strategic bombers. That was golden era for bomber hunting. Every game 2-4 B-29 or Tu-4. I was just climbing to 5km with rocket engine and killing every single one of them. I've grinded almost whole 5th and 6th tier before they learned.
The issue lies not with the vehicle methinks, but within the confines of videogames. Its very hard replicate 300 B-29's flying in formation at 35000ft at night while searching for them with limited fuel in an area the size of Europe inside a videogame.
Yeah if you basically play every 262 game (mostly the 7.0-7.3 ones as the 8.0 262 and 163s have a higher chance of seeing Tu-4s or just IL-28s and the likes) and climb every match in *anticipation* of a bomber there's always one guy in a B-29 thanks to the cheaper repair costs, which is nice. At least the B-29 is able to turn a profit from my games in it after the econ changes, which is just about the only redeeming factor it has now other than getting a squad to just end the games early....until you realize some maps just respawn the bases (very annoying)
@@stellasolaris Repair costs increase the longer you live in a vehicle in a match, which means that at least quick matches don't get stunted by full repair costs immediately if you blow up, but it slightly reduces gains from full matches.
A b-47 for some early jet matches would be also nice, a much faster plane but still from the old heavy bomber doctrine before the camberras, that have a completely different role
I find B-29 quite survivable, purely because they spawn so high up and early jets suck at high alt. Props pose a bigger threat then jets since they can actually climb fast enough but you don’t see many of them.
As many of us, i expected for him to prove the guy wrong. If even Smigol can't make the B-29/Tu-4 good, then there's no better argument for buffing them HARD.
I had a game with the B-29 where I got 3 kills at 8.0 and first place in team. For heavy bomber players out there here's a few tips: waste as much ammo as possible on enemies, your supply is unlimited so use as much as possible, if you get enough glancing hits they will kill. If enemy is below you turn directly upwards so they can't get as easy of a shot and if you are lucky they will end up right on top of you, giving you an almost free kill
A tip here, buy ace crew for the b-29, your gunners will snipe planes in a range of 1.5 km, they closer they get, the more likely they are to get sniped.
The thing needs to be at 6.7 like the power creep has really done the thing dirty and on that note of things that need buffs the he 162 really needs to be reclassified as a air defence fighter as that’s what it was and altitude performance is really the only thing it has
I think 7.0 is a fair br for it. I don’t see how most 5.7s would be able to deal with it effectively without getting shredded as soon as they get into gun range, especially the ones with poor velocity. The Yak-9UT, and a lot of American fighters would be relatively fine, but other nation’s 5.7s would definitely struggle.
Ultimate Challenge: Have a positive K/D in the Arado B-2, after 10 rounds of dogfighting. If you complete this task, you beat War Thunder and the game puts you back to lv. 1.
smigol finally came up with video title to show us the absolute joy and dopamine rush you get when shredding bombers to pieces with just a few shots of mk108
@@SharkGoesRawr like what? It’s really the tiniest minority, for most it takes ages and huge amount of fuel, as far as I remember at least. Only a handful could intercept B-29 easily
Smigol be like: i am the reason why it is unplayable and im gonna proove to everybody that says no, that he was wrong and their mistakes will cost them silver lions...
Holy crap, as it turns out, devs actually made planes that were specifically designed to OMGWTFBBQ heavy bombers work wonders against planes they were specifically to OMGWTFBBQ.
The thing about the bombers in this game is that they are represented as if they were made of glass, while the real ones had to be shot at over and over again to be brought down.
@@feraltrafficcone4483 I'm just saying the act of shooting down bombers doesn't take a single bit of skill, they're big and slow and can't hit shit with the awkward gunner aim
The odd thing is that this is the most realistic war thunder is ever likely to be. Fast moving, cannon armed jets like the 262 and the komet could and did cause massive casualties to b17 and b24 bomber formations, as much as players may hate it this is the realistic gameplay a lot of people (myself included) complain never happens. The issue here is the repair costs, it is insane that it costs 16k to repair it in rb, although I would like to point out that the F82 has the same problem.
This is why other types of air battles would be welcome, something like EC for air with player bomber formations etc Example : mission where priority is to get to targets and level them to the ground with quite a bit of respawns for both sides
@@smigoltime fair point, problem is that I don’t quite see what else Gaijjin would do. I see two possibilities; either set up a scenario for bombers alone to fly in, possibly with ai escorts which is something that would probably becoming boring within a few times of flying, or do the honourable thing and restore defensive capabilities for bombers and massively reduce the repair costs for them. One will be useless and the other won’t happen, either way there is no real point or gameplay for bombers.
I don't know how it is in the B29 but in the TU-4 it is fairly easy to survive the whole match if you simply run at the first sign of trouble and avoid enemy fighters. That sounds cowardly but it is better than trying to head on a plane with 10kg/s burst mass coming at 800km/hr relative to you. It's really easy to tell when a fighter is trying to come at you and you simply have to turn around and put them directly behind your guns. I find that a couple of bursts from 3km can discourage them from making attack runs even if it doesn't hit anywhere near them. It's also important to not fly directly over large dogfights or swarms of enemies for obvious reasons. My guns are always my last resort but against jets with low burst masses you can generally just shrug off hits until you kill them. I've just found that this works for me and I can often get my full bomb load off before returning to the airfield.
There are few things more hilarious than completely ruining the day of space-bar enthusiasts
I used to enjoy it for the historical aspect since Heavy Bombers haven’t had much representation outside of old IL2 1946 and whatnot. Now it’s pointless. I instead opt to use B29s in Battlestations Pacific instead :)
it’s a small version of therapy
I just view bomber killers as people who can't dogfight. So far smigol is the only person I've ever seen that can actually fend for himself
@@ezj2820 salty bomber player
@voldenrudvek9661 unfortunately for you, top tier sim doesn't have many bombers. So your statement is wrong.
when i first saw the pop-up I thought "of course he went dogfight mode eith the b29". I was caught off guard ngl
I was thinking the same, but it was really happy moment realizing Smeagol didn't spend even more hours trying to prove this plane is OP :D
Did it a good amount of times. It's not the worst thing to dogfight with, if it wasn't for the roll rate it would be much better
@@krzysztof1156 which is good imho, cus devs apparently balance bombers based on smigols vids
@@krzysztof1156 no
I can imagine the rage in the vc when Smigol wipes out their whole squad of bombers in 1 pass
It's a cod lobby into there
Me262 Schwalbe would like to know you location
Well deserved.
The fact that the game at this BR has playable heavy bombers, rather than a game mode where a defending team must try to destroy mass formations of AI bombers and an attacking team must escort and defend them, absolutely baffles me. This would lead to satisfying gameplay for both sides, and the tactics shown here would have a purpose other than making other players ragequit.
there used to be a map like that one of my favourites RIP
@@user-hf6os1qb2w it's always the best who leave us the soonest 🙏
I would still like to play bombers
@@King63Kobra there's a solution to that, too. Bomber formations in WW2 had a lead aircraft, usually the squadron commander. A player could take that role.
There was an event once, with ai b17s at 5km alt and player controlled p38s and Me410s. It were the most fun and cinematic fights Ive ever had in WT.
this man isn't just a menace, he's straight up the ghost of Berlin
the Under ghost of berlin
💀
Skeleton of Berlin when those fuel tanks in the Me-163 have minor damage and the T-stoff explodes and melts his face off.
@@wuzz111 bro's jealous
@@thehind8861 He is talking about the plane in real life not in war thunder SPED.
Thought you were going to go dogfight mode with the B-29. Unexpected but...
Honestly satisfying to watch
I like how the clip at 1:42 is just "jokes on you, the whole game is unplayable"
Xd
The last clip was savage 💀
Smigol has a built-in ballistic computer in his head
Slava ZOV
@@locksneedfartn you forgot an A aht the beginning
@@locksneedfartn glory to the losers I guess
@@gumduck2504 yeah glory Ukraine.
@@Eternal2Percent ah yes because it's Ukraine loosing territory, totally not Russia. How's Vuhledar? Still driving tanks into mines?
My greatest mistake was fully acing a b29 crew with full gunners and everything because way back when gunners used to start shooting at around 1.5km or something but now they dont bother until like .5km.
Were you around when B17s were flying tanks and could survive multiple passes xD
@@jonathanherrera1510 Yeah. Im a 2013 account.
@@jonathanherrera1510 the realistic gameplay then vs now.
@@commanderkris93 it wasn't realistic and the game was at it worst state then
It's 0.2 km actually
I know because I did it too, for the exact same reasons you did.
It's almost as if the fighter designed to intercept Heavy Bombers is good at intercepting heavy bombers xD
It wasn't very good at it irl lmao
@@jbeverley67 Skill issues
@@0GTXRkrill issue
50/50
B-17 could take a BF109 to the tail(no, not the shot, the whole plane ramming it) and continue flying. But at the same time the bomber losses were massive.
But since WT has ways to buy pilot HP, but not structural durability, the endurance of bombers is balanced towards being sawn to pieces easily. Because plebs must suffer😂
It’s almost like the fighter was made to fight… and the Interceptor was made to intercept…
I remember when I got Me 262 C-1a. It was just after Gajin decresed repair costs for strategic bombers. That was golden era for bomber hunting. Every game 2-4 B-29 or Tu-4. I was just climbing to 5km with rocket engine and killing every single one of them. I've grinded almost whole 5th and 6th tier before they learned.
The issue lies not with the vehicle methinks, but within the confines of videogames.
Its very hard replicate 300 B-29's flying in formation at 35000ft at night while searching for them with limited fuel in an area the size of Europe inside a videogame.
"B-29 is unplayable"
Smigol in Heisenberg voice: "you're goddamn right."
but we plays it anyway. my precious
I love how at this point its unexpected behavior for smigol to play normal and not actively handicap himself
0:37 rare footage of me-163 using real historically accurate tactics in war Thunder
when i saw him flying low on desert map, i was just like "ah, shit. here we go again"
do you maybe know the name of the map ?
@@Crackmiller02 Sorry, but no. Maby ask Smigol himself?
@@NietoKT alright, thx
@@Crackmiller02 Isn't it Sinai?
High altitude bomber: "Oh boy, I really hope I can get some SL!"
Late World War II Jet Fighter : "Thank god, some good fucking food"
1:43 He's In The Goddamn Walls
Yeah if you basically play every 262 game (mostly the 7.0-7.3 ones as the 8.0 262 and 163s have a higher chance of seeing Tu-4s or just IL-28s and the likes) and climb every match in *anticipation* of a bomber there's always one guy in a B-29 thanks to the cheaper repair costs, which is nice. At least the B-29 is able to turn a profit from my games in it after the econ changes, which is just about the only redeeming factor it has now other than getting a squad to just end the games early....until you realize some maps just respawn the bases (very annoying)
Wait, is the b29 repair cost cheap now?
@Silber It's been 12k stock since the last (controversial for ground but mostly fine for air) economy rework like a year or two ago
@@stellasolaris Repair costs increase the longer you live in a vehicle in a match, which means that at least quick matches don't get stunted by full repair costs immediately if you blow up, but it slightly reduces gains from full matches.
I feel genuinely bad when I'm climbing in my 262 and spot a B-29.
But at the same time a free kill is a free kill....
YESS FEED OFF THE TEARS OF THE BOMBERS. Also, that .9km snipe in the 163 *chefs kiss*
bro that last clip is just 💀💀💀
I love the B-29, sadly I do not play it because my chances of surviving a match are one in ten thousand.
Ps. Gaijin pls add the B-36 peacemaker
The peacemake with a cloud maker bomb would be badass
i want a B-52 as well. effing Stratofortress with a tail radar guided 20mm gattling
YB-35. Flying wing B-29 with like 4x the defensive firepower.
Oh, yes-yes, please add more of those fat targets!
A b-47 for some early jet matches would be also nice, a much faster plane but still from the old heavy bomber doctrine before the camberras, that have a completely different role
Myślałem że to będzie film z dogfightu z użyciem b-29, ale i tak był dobry xd
nie zamierzam tykać tego gówna
XD
@@smigoltime Only schrage musik xd
Tbh it really does look like you two slammed your faces into the keyboard
@@nook515 bo jesteś obcokrajowcem dlatego tak to dla ciebie wygląda,niemozliwe,inne nacje mówiące w innym języku?Jak to możliwe :O
I find B-29 quite survivable, purely because they spawn so high up and early jets suck at high alt. Props pose a bigger threat then jets since they can actually climb fast enough but you don’t see many of them.
As a 163 connoisseur I appreciate this video
"connoisseur" you get shoved into lockers
@@mossthatrules77 spotted the angry bomber main
As many of us, i expected for him to prove the guy wrong.
If even Smigol can't make the B-29/Tu-4 good, then there's no better argument for buffing them HARD.
tbh I didnt even try yet, but I just cant be bothered to do so
the b29 is basically a massive plane that pretty much has a sign on it that says 'shoot me'
B-29 back then: 50k SL
B-29 now: spawning at jet tier
smeeg loves the under the airfield clips so much he has featured them in idk 3 videos straight
War thunder players try not to ruin any semblance of fun (impossible)
In your montage, you caused about 650k SL worth of repair costs.
Im happy for that
Smigol got the secret histotical skin 💀
I went in this video thinking "hmm i'd like to see him defend the B-29."
But i was way off... 💀
no clipped into the ground 💀
I had a game with the B-29 where I got 3 kills at 8.0 and first place in team. For heavy bomber players out there here's a few tips: waste as much ammo as possible on enemies, your supply is unlimited so use as much as possible, if you get enough glancing hits they will kill. If enemy is below you turn directly upwards so they can't get as easy of a shot and if you are lucky they will end up right on top of you, giving you an almost free kill
You gave me a new history lesson. I didn't realize B-29s were flown in the European Theater during WW2.
1:45 pov my dreams
And here I was, expecting you to do some B-29 shenanigans and give me another reason not to go fly in RAB - nope - juked on me!
This is the Evil you see in the alleyways of hell
heavy bombers should have double the module health as other planes
remember nexon nerfed bombers tail to be literally one tapped by 7mm and their guns so they do way lower damage than usual
Avarage early air to air missile fan vs Avarage “guided” rocket with guns enjoyer
I see i wasn't the only one expecting smigol to just dogfight in this massice plane
Nailed it! ...nice use of the old Airfix B-29 box art too 👍
This is why I love the Tu-4 - the secret is you gotta play it like a very heavy fighter.
This is actually a war crime. I know this because my uncle works at the Geneva convention
A tip here, buy ace crew for the b-29, your gunners will snipe planes in a range of 1.5 km, they closer they get, the more likely they are to get sniped.
goddam glitch exploit at the end 💀
if he had killed me i would report him damn cheater XD😄
smigod dogfight in B-29 with bombs no balls
"Filthy, nasty B-29ses, we RUINS their day, yes we does Precious!" - Smigol probably
always gonna drive me nuts how they're basically paper compared to most other bombers
LMFAO totally did not expect that turn xDDDD
The thing needs to be at 6.7 like the power creep has really done the thing dirty and on that note of things that need buffs the he 162 really needs to be reclassified as a air defence fighter as that’s what it was and altitude performance is really the only thing it has
I think 7.0 is a fair br for it. I don’t see how most 5.7s would be able to deal with it effectively without getting shredded as soon as they get into gun range, especially the ones with poor velocity. The Yak-9UT, and a lot of American fighters would be relatively fine, but other nation’s 5.7s would definitely struggle.
You got me in the first half not gonna lie
This man woke up and chose violence
Ultimate Challenge: Have a positive K/D in the Arado B-2, after 10 rounds of dogfighting. If you complete this task, you beat War Thunder and the game puts you back to lv. 1.
Subterranean Me163 strikes fear into the hearts of any airfield camper
Gotta love seeing the 163 doing exactly what it was designed to do!
smigol finally came up with video title to show us the absolute joy and dopamine rush you get when shredding bombers to pieces with just a few shots of mk108
The B-29 is in a hard place to balance. In an uptier it gets destroyed by jets and Aim-9Bs. In a downtier its untouchable by props.
there props can easily kill it
@@SharkGoesRawr props cant easily climb to 8-10k meters
@@MatVeiQaaa they can. The good one can
@@SharkGoesRawr like what? It’s really the tiniest minority, for most it takes ages and huge amount of fuel, as far as I remember at least. Only a handful could intercept B-29 easily
@@MatVeiQaaa ye bc after are overtired axis fighters. Too bad gaiin doesn't care about them
"it came by like we were standing still"
2:04 Looks like a skill issue.
Not gonna lie, that was scary as heck. I always think about grinding bombers, but this kind of footage reminds why I don't.
Ill never forget the time when I did a funny using the 50mm me262 and sniped a b29s wing off from 1.5km out lol
Smigol be like: i am the reason why it is unplayable and im gonna proove to everybody that says no, that he was wrong and their mistakes will cost them silver lions...
gotta love those under-map shenanigans at 1:43, did a but of trolling
Holy crap, as it turns out, devs actually made planes that were specifically designed to OMGWTFBBQ heavy bombers work wonders against planes they were specifically to OMGWTFBBQ.
I hope Smigol wouldn't be banned because of map creators incompetence
Good better then being in a bf 109 for 30 mins while a b29 climbs to space on Sicily like it used to be. I’m glad you made this
I can feel there pain they were having coming from someone who likes bombers in war thunder
this guy is going to single handly make all the bomber players go extinct
The thing about the bombers in this game is that they are represented as if they were made of glass, while the real ones had to be shot at over and over again to be brought down.
I love doing this in custom games as the Vautour is 9.0 but it is so fuckin funny to kill a B-29 formation with the 5 30mm cannons
Based and fighter pilled
brooooooooooo imagine being taken out from UNDER YOUR DAMN AIRFIELD! i wouldn't even be mad lmao.
This man is an absolute CHAD!
*rapid fire headbangs during entire video
Love that terrain bug kill
Man eating B-29 for breakfast, lunch and dinner
every time you got a b-29 kill a little part of me died thinking of the silver lions
Now i refuse to believe that any player that jumps to game hear anything else than this song when Smigol is approaching.
Hence why in history governments sent swarms of bombers in waves instead of one or two.
i thought bro was gonna play the b29 💀
So its a series then? *buckles up* *grabs popcorn*
Hes got a point. those bombers need to be lowered in tier or probably benefit more on the gunners with stats
Ooh look its the ME-163 doing what it was designed to do!
And this is why you need patience as a B-29.
Smigol’s skill will never cease to absolutely amaze me
He's shooting down defenseless giant bombers with no escorts, this doesn't take even the tiniest bit of skill
@@Hanz_Fischer his movement and his aim in a couple clips tho. Also, have you not seen his other videos?
@@feraltrafficcone4483 I'm just saying the act of shooting down bombers doesn't take a single bit of skill, they're big and slow and can't hit shit with the awkward gunner aim
I used to love cutting b29’s in half with my Horten.
Just a another normal day in war thunder
did i just hear "i have no balls for b29 dogfight!?"
no balls?
Was just talking about this earlier and low and behold.
Doing the lords work
The odd thing is that this is the most realistic war thunder is ever likely to be. Fast moving, cannon armed jets like the 262 and the komet could and did cause massive casualties to b17 and b24 bomber formations, as much as players may hate it this is the realistic gameplay a lot of people (myself included) complain never happens.
The issue here is the repair costs, it is insane that it costs 16k to repair it in rb, although I would like to point out that the F82 has the same problem.
This is why other types of air battles would be welcome, something like EC for air with player bomber formations etc
Example : mission where priority is to get to targets and level them to the ground with quite a bit of respawns for both sides
right, *formations*
keep in mind in war thunder you're a lone bomber with no escort, so its just destined to be doomed XD
@@smigoltime even if you get escort. Expect to still be destroyed. Atleast someone tried
@@warbrain1053 true, I would also want to see the ability to fly at different times such as night bombing.
@@smigoltime fair point, problem is that I don’t quite see what else Gaijjin would do.
I see two possibilities; either set up a scenario for bombers alone to fly in, possibly with ai escorts which is something that would probably becoming boring within a few times of flying, or do the honourable thing and restore defensive capabilities for bombers and massively reduce the repair costs for them.
One will be useless and the other won’t happen, either way there is no real point or gameplay for bombers.
They had us in the first half, not gonna lie. Hahahahahaha
I don't know how it is in the B29 but in the TU-4 it is fairly easy to survive the whole match if you simply run at the first sign of trouble and avoid enemy fighters. That sounds cowardly but it is better than trying to head on a plane with 10kg/s burst mass coming at 800km/hr relative to you. It's really easy to tell when a fighter is trying to come at you and you simply have to turn around and put them directly behind your guns. I find that a couple of bursts from 3km can discourage them from making attack runs even if it doesn't hit anywhere near them. It's also important to not fly directly over large dogfights or swarms of enemies for obvious reasons. My guns are always my last resort but against jets with low burst masses you can generally just shrug off hits until you kill them. I've just found that this works for me and I can often get my full bomb load off before returning to the airfield.
My r511 réaction
completely fair and balanced. I'm so glad heavy bombers are a meaningful part of ARB and not a floating target made of wet tissue paper.
I feel you, as someone that also likes playing Bombers and Attackers.