It's wonderful to watch Aston doing so well. But hearing Whitmarsh talking about success coming from being fully independent reminds me of Ron Dennis justifying his move to Honda engines a few years back.
I don't think they were ever sold "throw away engines". Maybe Mec had them all dyno tested and choose to keep the "best" of the batch and sell on the "slightly" weaker ones.
Haven't read all the comments, but what troked me the most in this video was that they ssaid that the advantage to have an exclusive partnership, the manufacturer (Aston Martin) can design their car and the enigne can be adapted to that shape. That is exactly what went wrong between McLaren and Honda. McLaren instructed Honda what to build. But a good engine also needs it's layout and room and that is the difference between the partnership with McLaren and Red Bull. Red Bull also listened to the needs of the engine manufacturer (Honda). They have their limitations as well. So I hope that AS doesn't make the same mistake as McLaren but learn from the collaboration between RedBull and Honda.
Super video, keep up the good work! The Yuki bit is speculative. So far, he hasn't shown the mental toughness to fight over a race distance. No matter how much Honda wants a Japanese driver, I don't think Lawrence Stroll will give them any wiggle room. Honda needs AM at least as much, if not more than, AM needs Honda.
I don't understand why teams like McLaren and Aston Martin use Mercedes engines, they should be using their own engines as they manufacture cars. Can you imagine Ferrari using a Mercedes or Honda engine?
I for one think this is the best route Aston Martin can take. Its gives them much more freedom and control versus being in a controlled relationship with Mercedes. One of the biggest issues in F1 with engine suppliers and its manufacturing teams is they have a major say in the engine they sell to other teams. Look at Mercedes and Ferrari how they have basically guaranteed they never have to worry about another team being bettet then them with the restrictions on the engines they sell. In truth, F1 needs more engine suppliers to give more teams a chance instead of being hindered
Redbull's teams are the only ones on the grid that are not car manufacturers. Honestly, all the teams should be making their own engines. Redbull doesn't make any cars, yet they are going to produce their own engines. Maybe add an engine cost cap separate from the rest of the car cost cap? Just a thought. If the car manufacturer represented by the team doesn't want to supply an engine they should get out of the sport.
Great video, I can see Aston Martin being a dominant power from 2026 onwards. They will have the best facilities of any team and with an engine actually designed for them they can definitely win world championships
Hopefully but Honda only made a good engine when they pulled out of F1 then didn't 🤷😂. Everyone better watch out for Audi they have pretty much won everything they enter in
The new wind tunnel will be excellent for them. Not using Mercedes one, which the Merc aerodynamicists have been saying is to old for years, will be a big boost. Genuinely think they will be a big contender if Honda can get things right
I mean RBR obviously has the best package, so of course they’re going to choose to follow the best package on the grid in terms of Aero and engine. It’s always funny that not once but twice, after Honda leaves F1 they deliver the best engine on the grid . I bet they definitely regret leaving after seeing Redbull’s success, hence why they’re back with Aston.
I know this will probably not happen but whatabout an alonso verstappen pairing in 2026 at am. Now I know max is probably not going to leave rb, possible ever but it would still be a killer duo
For all of Lawrence Stroll’s wealth he comes across as a terminally unhappy guy. He always looks downcast and projects discontentment. I guess money really can’t buy you happiness.
@@trance9158 These two can't compare; Max's dad have nothing going on besides being Max' dad. He didn't succeeded in anything in motor race, in contrast for example Carlos' father won multiple rally championships. Max' dad is a bully in and out. Lance's father - Lawrence -, we all know he is one of the - if not the -, most successful business person in F1. There is no other billionaire of his caliber in F1. And he puts his money where his mouth is. We all just wish his son would drive as fast as his dad makes the coin.
You're not entirely correct, Aston will NOT be able to decide how the engine is designed for the car, it's partly why the Honda mclaren cars were bad as mclaren refused to design the car round the engines and why redbull has been successful with them because as horner himself said "we were always willing to design the car around Hondas engine package" so you should definitely revise what you say
I can't see Aston Martin driver line up changing in the near future. Alonso is in his happy place near the front and Lance is learning heaps off his more experienced team mate. He's not that far behind on the time sheets.
Alonso has no need to prove. In my opinion Alonso keeps driving as fast as now . I believe we watch him on the grid beyond 2025. I hope He will reach another title ...
This could be very good for AMR, but it could also end up like the mid-2010s McLaren situation. The reason their second time partnering with McLaren failed wasn't because Honda couldn't build a good engine, it was because neither side could effectively communicate what they wanted to each other. And no, it wasn't just a language barrier problem.
Hopefully Honda will have learnt from that. By the looks of their Red Bull collaboration in recent years, they know how to create a good engine in partnership with a team. The fact it is an exclusive deal with Aston means they aren't trying to sell to anyone else so it makes no sense for them to not just listen and collaborate
The problem was more that McLaren pushed them into f1 a year early and required an engine much smaller than the other Teams. There was also zero communication like you said. Rb was very open about their design which made honda more open which created such an awesome partnership. I do believe both am and honda have learned from all of this and will work together as 1 team, if they do that they can create a serious good car
Wait what? Red Bull made Honda F1 world champion (and vice versa), then they got out of F1 and now they're going to supply another team with works engines? Talk about a knife in the back!
The only way that Tsunoda replaces anyone should be if Lawrence gets a clue (or wants to actually win) and replaces Lance. They definitely need a top line driver in the first seat though, cause Tsunoda is never going to be in the top tier.
Tsunoda is definitely a top tier driver. You can see it in his driving this year now that he is the team leader at AT. i think he is going to do a lot better than Lance, I promise you that.
i think it is clear to see that even if Mercedes managed to get ontop of their game by building an aero efficient car, their PU would probably have guaranteed them still being #2 at best.
Great video, thank you. Laurence Stroll is a family man, but he is also a businessman and a winner, even if we think, and it's normal, that he will want his son in the seat, As I know so far from past business ventures that Mr Stroll has done, he will not hesitate to replace his son, if he does not perform, F1 is a Highend performance sport, both Lance and Laurence knows it, and Lance, himself is an intelligent young man, I believe he has the talent to win races, does he has the talent to be world champion, it's for him to prove, and if he does not, I don't think his father will make him stay there for much longer, Laurence Stroll is not there to be a mid-pack racing team, and Lance will have to step up soon and prove it. I think too many people bank on his seat being safe... those people never worked for their family business and it shows, working for your dad or the family businesses, also means you have a lot more pressure, to counter the natural thinking that we all have... thank you.
Lance Stroll should take over the running of the team somehow i am sure his dad could fit him in somewhere i am mean Alonso has 4 podiums in 5 races to strolls BAGEL
Fine analysis. Many interrogations about the individuals driving cars still not even conceived... Japanese are wisely raising a distant issue for being solved... by the team. Well the daddy can buy all the toys (and teachers) for his boy, excepting - I believe - AN. Any F1 winner needs an aerodynamic genius being, not "just" an engine.
I don't think Alonso will be relevant 3 seasons from now. I also think Lawrence Stroll Is that cut throat, but will somehow work his son into what could be a future F1 dynasty (without Lance behind the wheel) 2026 will be a totaly different F1 car...... this is a big gamble for any team who know who will be on top.... lets get through 2023 first! (and 2024/2025)
Lance will always be part of F1 and especially AM team. And yes, his dad might just gift him the helm of the entire F1 outfit; ultimately is the reason why Lawrence does what he does best. Not sure if Lance will still be driving - active driver or maybe test - by 2026 if he doesn't win some races till then. Time will tell. One thing is for sure; Lawrence won't stop until AM becomes a contender in F1 the likes of Mercedes, a ruthless dedicated team to winning not just competing.
Wonder if all the various customer teams knew of this shocking news that engine suppliers always have first pick? Oh sorry yeah, if course they do. They've known since technology allowed them to measure minute details of each engines build quality.
Think AM/Honda will overtake RBR in-house engine/Ford electric motor in 2026 only if Lance improves(?!) or they hire a more competent driver. AM might apply an RBR-like suspension/chassis set-up once they change to Honda power.
@@craigmoy5428 he hasn't done as many seasons as Tsunoda and is already showing he can match Bottas, he is also making too many mistakes same as Tsunoda did in his first few seasons.
Alonso was patience before making that famous comment "GP2 Engine" Honda came into the Hybrid era too late to be competitive frustrating Alonso @ McClaren
wtf. Honda says they’re done with F1. Red Bull buys out their F1 engine company. Then Honda says they’re going to do Aston’s engines? I think I missed a memo…
Martin Withmarsh is making the same mistakes he did with Honda while in McLaren. Honda won't have enough data to analyze regarding their new engine (only two cars per weekend). Honda won't design his engine for AMR's car, they will desing what they think it's the best engine. There will be culture clash (engine department in Japan, European team). Honda's commitment to F1 is not solid, it's never been. And lastly, Honda wanting a Japanese driver (kicking Alonso out) will doom the partnership. Also, AMR doesn't have the manpower, experience nor economic resources to keep up the in-season development war. They should keep learning with Mercedes as the senior partner, AMR is not ready to be on its own.
F1 like all motorsport is froth, the real business is the road car operation and AM have a huge challenge to face to stay in business. Honda could be much more than an engine supplier in F1 and equally AM could go the way of the Dodo like many other car manufacturers will over next few years. Lance is a decent F1 driver or he wouldn’t even be on the grid but his future has already been decided and I don’t expect to see him in an F1 car next season. WEC would make more sense for both AM and LS
It's not only that, the engine being used by AMR isn't even built for their package so it' seven worse that AMR is beating merc😅. If the engine was designed around the AMR concept, it would probaby increase the AMR performance even more but still unlikey to catch the RB. They've wont his era. Onto the next
Merc has side pods now for Monaco but their chassis is still the zero pod chassis and will be till next year. When they change the chassis next year, they might repackage the engine as well but I don't know the exact rules on changing the homologated engines. They might be stuck with the engine layout they have which will limit how much of their aero design they can change
And who knows for sure that the 2026 engine from Honda will still be the best engine? New rules, lot more depending on the electric part. MGU-H will be dropped, energy from the MGU-K will almost triple. So who knows that Honda is the best choice....
This isn't the first time Martin Whitmarsh will take an F1 team from using successful Mercedes engines, to unproven Honda engines under new engine rules. McLaren has never recovered. To bet against Mercedes power in 2026 will be foolish.
I know we’re talking about F1 but when I see these teams an engine builders going with this hybrid engine for the future I think it’s going to be a waste of time Toyota will be coming out with an internal combustion engine that burns hydrogen gas before 2026. I think that will change the world and maybe the racing world
I’m wondering if Williams will change there engines! It could be the new engine’s from Cadillac, if Williams do that thay can do the same as Aston and get the bonus’s of testing a new engine.
Apparently there were other manufacturers sat in on the new regulation discussions so I wouldn't be surprised if a team like Williams could get a new engine from someone
Are Aston Martin going to build their own gearbox and rear suspension for 24 and 25 (as a test before they have to in 26) ? Or will they still use Mercedes parts wich will be better than this years?
I would imagine they will continue using the Merc parts and then focus their energy on 2026 over the next few years. Though there would be knowledge to be gained, they will be hiring people from other teams who already know how to make rear suspension and gear boxes for F1 cars.
My guess is with regulations moving to far more electrical power output, those components will naturally change to something else. Whether it will still be Merc I'm not sure, but it will definitely require a significant enough rework that it would make sense to shop around and pick the best.
What kind of statement was this - Honda did not want to do anything with sport 😂...absolutely hilarious. Honda dominated F1 in the 80s and beginning of 90s.
Lance Stroll is consistently outperforming Tsnoda, even out qualifying Alonso at the Spanish GP, I don't think he is going to get the boot. Alonso is more likely to retire by that time.
Customers engine always got less power than factory one...factory one have different dyno tweaks and for customers It's base model things...2014 force india got 75hp less than factory Mercedes engine...
Hard to see Alonso still there in 2026, in terms of pure speed and age. How Honda perform in 2026 is still unknown. They had a terrible time with the new regs compared to the other manufacturers in 2015 so who’s to say they build the best engine this time? For a period of time just like 2014 -2017 the car with the best engine will win the championship until everyone else catches up and Aero becomes the deciding factor again. Hard to put money on Honda building a better engine than Mercedes out of the box of a new formula given recent history. I suspect Alonso will retire in 2025. And as for Tsunoda Japan need to find some new drivers because I’m not sure he has the mentality it takes to be a champion. 2026 is a long way away and he’s been very inconsistent and temperamental despite 2023 being his best start to a season compared to his teammate.
Still a question mark for my projecting yourself as Aston Martin so why not use Aston Martin engines, poor attitude blasting Honda as rubbish and now knowing they are the engine manufacturers of winners a typical Stroll attitude
If yuki isn’t good enough now he never will be, if Aston want to be a top team why would u hire a driver who isn’t even as good as a teammate (gasly) who was rejected by another top team? Unless they just want a Japanese driver like how BAR wanted Sato just for PR….. if Honda are just as serious about success they will go for Charles or lando, maybe even Russel if merc don’t improve/decide to pull out
Get Lance out of the car. Train him in the business side of racing or maybe as a driver coach or something. He had more than a fair chance. He needs to go.
sorry mate it was 2009 when Martin Whitmarsh was team boss of McLaren, Ron Denis was still active at the team threw out 2008. it was on the 1 March 2009 that Denis did step down, i know that very well as well Im a McLaren fan. Martin was at the team yes that is why sometimes hes on the podium with lewis and that dont mean hes team boss, anyone from the team from CEO to Tyre guy can be up there. also why do you think it held them back? you never really explained it just called it and ignored the ones that said it didnt cost them. explain. oh and Honda wont last they will have 2 or 4 years and then pull out and i will not listen to a random person replying, i dont know you there for i have no reason to trust you. so save your time and dont waste it as it will just be brushed off. and please no Lewis hate its 2023 and lets not hate eachother due to the drivers we support try to grow up.
I have nothing against the analysis, but it is clear your bias against Mercedes. It it true that they failed producing a championship winning car, however they are not the reason Aston Martin has not won. Red Bull is just too good to loose and other teams are playing catch up, more like the other teams did during Mercedes or Ferrari golden era.
Not sure how that is bias. Everything he said is true. Merc give them engines and it is embarrassing that AMR are beating them despite the engine being specifically desgined for the Merc car. He didn't say them not winning is entirely down to the merc engine. Everyone knows no one is beating red bull but you can't deny they're being held back by a lack of independent engine. There's zero bias in this video. It's all facts.
is lawrence stroll really that ruthless? what kind of a question is this? his son is underperforming at an alarming rate, it is abundantly clear he must go. ruthless is if he was managing to bring in some points every now and again but there was a better more consistent driver out there. at this stage, letting lance go is doing him a favour. he cannot win a WDC even if u give him Max's current car. He is at best a wingman. He is not useful to AM should they want to challenge and i guarantee he is going to cost them a shot at #2 in the WCC this year.
Yuki Sonoda has not made those great improvements this year. Honda must be watching NASCAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lance Stroll is an anchor better suited to submarine racing.
Of course Honda loathes loud mouth alonso and doesn't want him by 2026 using their engines. The Japanese are very stuffy about that. The problem daddy stroll has is that his boy is talentless and too slow to fight for a championship, regardless of the package. So, between Honda wanting a japanese driver (also not good enough), and daddy stroll wanting his boy there, the green force india doesn't stand a chance of ever winning a championship ever.
Well you could argue it's a business decision at the moment to keep stroll in the car as it means it increases their chances of not finishing second so they'll get more wind tunnel time for development🤣
Simply it’s about logic, no team and engine builder will give other teams the same engine he is using for his own team like Ferrari and Mercedes
It's wonderful to watch Aston doing so well. But hearing Whitmarsh talking about success coming from being fully independent reminds me of Ron Dennis justifying his move to Honda engines a few years back.
And a further irony there is that it was Whitmarsh as McLaren TP who had arranged for McLaren and Honda to partner before Ron Dennis sacked him.
I don't think they were ever sold "throw away engines". Maybe Mec had them all dyno tested and choose to keep the "best" of the batch and sell on the "slightly" weaker ones.
suppliers don't get to pick their engines, its put into a pool and allocated randomly iirc
I suspect Alonso would have retired from F1 by 2026 so nobody gets kicked off the team.
@Fagg Gugel n U Tjub Damn! Lance has a son? Also if that is the case this could be the youngest F1 driver ever, by almost 16 or 17 years!
Sergio Perez will be his successor.
@@timmanto1022
No, Max Verstappen
@@x-man4702 max can't handle Lance being a scrub teammate.
@@brandonb.288 Lance's dad is Lance too. He just goes by Lawrence.
Haven't read all the comments, but what troked me the most in this video was that they ssaid that the advantage to have an exclusive partnership, the manufacturer (Aston Martin) can design their car and the enigne can be adapted to that shape. That is exactly what went wrong between McLaren and Honda. McLaren instructed Honda what to build. But a good engine also needs it's layout and room and that is the difference between the partnership with McLaren and Red Bull. Red Bull also listened to the needs of the engine manufacturer (Honda). They have their limitations as well. So I hope that AS doesn't make the same mistake as McLaren but learn from the collaboration between RedBull and Honda.
One of the most interesting and informative F1 videos we’ve watched in some time. Thank you for sharing it.🙏🏻🏁
Super video, keep up the good work!
The Yuki bit is speculative. So far, he hasn't shown the mental toughness to fight over a race distance. No matter how much Honda wants a Japanese driver, I don't think Lawrence Stroll will give them any wiggle room. Honda needs AM at least as much, if not more than, AM needs Honda.
I don't understand why teams like McLaren and Aston Martin use Mercedes engines, they should be using their own engines as they manufacture cars. Can you imagine Ferrari using a Mercedes or Honda engine?
If that Aston Martin is a winner im pretty sure MV gonna drive for them, he has a good relationship with Honda .
I for one think this is the best route Aston Martin can take.
Its gives them much more freedom and control versus being in a controlled relationship with Mercedes.
One of the biggest issues in F1 with engine suppliers and its manufacturing teams is they have a major say in the engine they sell to other teams.
Look at Mercedes and Ferrari how they have basically guaranteed they never have to worry about another team being bettet then them with the restrictions on the engines they sell.
In truth, F1 needs more engine suppliers to give more teams a chance instead of being hindered
Redbull's teams are the only ones on the grid that are not car manufacturers. Honestly, all the teams should be making their own engines. Redbull doesn't make any cars, yet they are going to produce their own engines. Maybe add an engine cost cap separate from the rest of the car cost cap? Just a thought. If the car manufacturer represented by the team doesn't want to supply an engine they should get out of the sport.
Great video, I can see Aston Martin being a dominant power from 2026 onwards. They will have the best facilities of any team and with an engine actually designed for them they can definitely win world championships
Hopefully but Honda only made a good engine when they pulled out of F1 then didn't 🤷😂. Everyone better watch out for Audi they have pretty much won everything they enter in
The new wind tunnel will be excellent for them. Not using Mercedes one, which the Merc aerodynamicists have been saying is to old for years, will be a big boost. Genuinely think they will be a big contender if Honda can get things right
They'll also be stuck with Lance Stroll with no chance of an upgrade.
@@TangoNevada No Lawrence is Too Ruthless to allow his Son to get in the way of Winning a Championship - that is how he got where he is today!
@@richardsymonds5159 Hmm? I guess we'll see.
I mean RBR obviously has the best package, so of course they’re going to choose to follow the best package on the grid in terms of Aero and engine. It’s always funny that not once but twice, after Honda leaves F1 they deliver the best engine on the grid . I bet they definitely regret leaving after seeing Redbull’s success, hence why they’re back with Aston.
Tsunoda won't be helping them win championships
I know this will probably not happen but whatabout an alonso verstappen pairing in 2026 at am. Now I know max is probably not going to leave rb, possible ever but it would still be a killer duo
For all of Lawrence Stroll’s wealth he comes across as a terminally unhappy guy. He always looks downcast and projects discontentment. I guess money really can’t buy you happiness.
Same with Max's dad....
Or perhaps he is okay on the inside and would just need plastic surgery to have his disposition displayed on the outside.
@@FrancisFjordCupola stick to your fjords Frankie
@@trance9158 These two can't compare; Max's dad have nothing going on besides being Max' dad. He didn't succeeded in anything in motor race, in contrast for example Carlos' father won multiple rally championships. Max' dad is a bully in and out. Lance's father - Lawrence -, we all know he is one of the - if not the -, most successful business person in F1. There is no other billionaire of his caliber in F1. And he puts his money where his mouth is. We all just wish his son would drive as fast as his dad makes the coin.
You're not entirely correct, Aston will NOT be able to decide how the engine is designed for the car, it's partly why the Honda mclaren cars were bad as mclaren refused to design the car round the engines and why redbull has been successful with them because as horner himself said "we were always willing to design the car around Hondas engine package" so you should definitely revise what you say
I can't see Aston Martin driver line up changing in the near future. Alonso is in his happy place near the front and Lance is learning heaps off his more experienced team mate. He's not that far behind on the time sheets.
Alonso has no need to prove. In my opinion Alonso keeps driving as fast as now . I believe we watch him on the grid beyond 2025. I hope He will reach another title ...
Be interesting to see what goes in the Aston Martin road cars.
1000% the most intriguing video I've watched all week.
Very interesting lets see how it works out
This could be very good for AMR, but it could also end up like the mid-2010s McLaren situation. The reason their second time partnering with McLaren failed wasn't because Honda couldn't build a good engine, it was because neither side could effectively communicate what they wanted to each other. And no, it wasn't just a language barrier problem.
Hopefully Honda will have learnt from that. By the looks of their Red Bull collaboration in recent years, they know how to create a good engine in partnership with a team. The fact it is an exclusive deal with Aston means they aren't trying to sell to anyone else so it makes no sense for them to not just listen and collaborate
The problem was more that McLaren pushed them into f1 a year early and required an engine much smaller than the other Teams. There was also zero communication like you said. Rb was very open about their design which made honda more open which created such an awesome partnership. I do believe both am and honda have learned from all of this and will work together as 1 team, if they do that they can create a serious good car
Good information 👍
Excellent choice... I will vote for you and my beloved Honda/Astonmartin... May your Team win and destroy Mercedes Team Racist... Good Luck guys..
Lance will have to get the boot! I'm sure he's dad will be talking top other teams or Lance becomes a reserve driver 2026
for sure this year Lance is not being a team player
The Stroll family needs to go period, they're both slimey looking..
It'd be better if another billionaire came into F1, anyone but the Strolls.
@@reonbarrett5546 What's he doing that makes you say that?
Wait what? Red Bull made Honda F1 world champion (and vice versa), then they got out of F1 and now they're going to supply another team with works engines? Talk about a knife in the back!
Other way around honda made them world champs as a car manufacturer why they dont build their own engines
What I am concerned wth is they said "low weight, compact, high powered engined" a.k.a unreliable engine.
The only way that Tsunoda replaces anyone should be if Lawrence gets a clue (or wants to actually win) and replaces Lance. They definitely need a top line driver in the first seat though, cause Tsunoda is never going to be in the top tier.
Tsunoda is definitely a top tier driver. You can see it in his driving this year now that he is the team leader at AT. i think he is going to do a lot better than Lance, I promise you that.
Ron Dennis called it years ago when he brought Honda to McLaren. If only that partnership worked.
i think it is clear to see that even if Mercedes managed to get ontop of their game by building an aero efficient car, their PU would probably have guaranteed them still being #2 at best.
Great video, thank you. Laurence Stroll is a family man, but he is also a businessman and a winner, even if we think, and it's normal, that he will want his son in the seat, As I know so far from past business ventures that Mr Stroll has done, he will not hesitate to replace his son, if he does not perform, F1 is a Highend performance sport, both Lance and Laurence knows it, and Lance, himself is an intelligent young man, I believe he has the talent to win races, does he has the talent to be world champion, it's for him to prove, and if he does not, I don't think his father will make him stay there for much longer, Laurence Stroll is not there to be a mid-pack racing team, and Lance will have to step up soon and prove it. I think too many people bank on his seat being safe... those people never worked for their family business and it shows, working for your dad or the family businesses, also means you have a lot more pressure, to counter the natural thinking that we all have... thank you.
Lance Stroll should take over the running of the team somehow i am sure his dad could fit him in somewhere i am mean Alonso has 4 podiums in 5 races to strolls BAGEL
Fine analysis.
Many interrogations about the individuals driving cars still not even conceived...
Japanese are wisely raising a distant issue for being solved... by the team.
Well the daddy can buy all the toys (and teachers) for his boy, excepting - I believe - AN.
Any F1 winner needs an aerodynamic genius being, not "just" an engine.
his son is a road block to win he has to go
I don't think Alonso will be relevant 3 seasons from now. I also think Lawrence Stroll Is that cut throat, but will somehow work his son into what could be a future F1 dynasty (without Lance behind the wheel) 2026 will be a totaly different F1 car...... this is a big gamble for any team who know who will be on top.... lets get through 2023 first! (and 2024/2025)
Lance will move to Management, if by 2026 he still doesn't have a Win, then that will be his time to leave.
That's a could metric to judge him by I think. If he can't get a podium this season then that will be a problem
Lance will always be part of F1 and especially AM team. And yes, his dad might just gift him the helm of the entire F1 outfit; ultimately is the reason why Lawrence does what he does best. Not sure if Lance will still be driving - active driver or maybe test - by 2026 if he doesn't win some races till then. Time will tell. One thing is for sure; Lawrence won't stop until AM becomes a contender in F1 the likes of Mercedes, a ruthless dedicated team to winning not just competing.
Wonder if all the various customer teams knew of this shocking news that engine suppliers always have first pick? Oh sorry yeah, if course they do. They've known since technology allowed them to measure minute details of each engines build quality.
The thing that really surprises me about this is that Aston Martin is part-owned by Mercedes with seats on the board, they’d veto surely?
Tsunoda is an ustable and uriliable driver who does not take risks when it counts only when it doesn't and always crashes.
Think AM/Honda will overtake RBR in-house engine/Ford electric motor in 2026 only if Lance improves(?!) or they hire a more competent driver. AM might apply an RBR-like suspension/chassis set-up once they change to Honda power.
I think Zhou has more potential than Tsunoda
He’s Chinese but also disagree completely
Yeeaaaahhh...no
Do you watch F1????
Wow people are really clueless
@@craigmoy5428 he hasn't done as many seasons as Tsunoda and is already showing he can match Bottas, he is also making too many mistakes same as Tsunoda did in his first few seasons.
Alonso was patience before making that famous comment "GP2 Engine" Honda came into the Hybrid era too late to be competitive frustrating Alonso @ McClaren
That backwards V10 sound in the intro of every video is really annoying.
wtf. Honda says they’re done with F1. Red Bull buys out their F1 engine company. Then Honda says they’re going to do Aston’s engines? I think I missed a memo…
Martin Withmarsh is making the same mistakes he did with Honda while in McLaren. Honda won't have enough data to analyze regarding their new engine (only two cars per weekend). Honda won't design his engine for AMR's car, they will desing what they think it's the best engine. There will be culture clash (engine department in Japan, European team). Honda's commitment to F1 is not solid, it's never been. And lastly, Honda wanting a Japanese driver (kicking Alonso out) will doom the partnership. Also, AMR doesn't have the manpower, experience nor economic resources to keep up the in-season development war. They should keep learning with Mercedes as the senior partner, AMR is not ready to be on its own.
F1 like all motorsport is froth, the real business is the road car operation and AM have a huge challenge to face to stay in business. Honda could be much more than an engine supplier in F1 and equally AM could go the way of the Dodo like many other car manufacturers will over next few years. Lance is a decent F1 driver or he wouldn’t even be on the grid but his future has already been decided and I don’t expect to see him in an F1 car next season. WEC would make more sense for both AM and LS
Ah Fernando Alonso, master bridge burner :D
Austin Martin is reveaking how Mercedes would have looked if they got there car concept right. It still not enough to compete with the RB18.
It's not only that, the engine being used by AMR isn't even built for their package so it' seven worse that AMR is beating merc😅. If the engine was designed around the AMR concept, it would probaby increase the AMR performance even more but still unlikey to catch the RB. They've wont his era. Onto the next
GOOD ALONSO GONNA BE FIRE NOW
So if the Mercedes engine is designed for zero side pods if merc f1 turn up with a car with side pods a time this year how will that work
Merc has side pods now for Monaco but their chassis is still the zero pod chassis and will be till next year. When they change the chassis next year, they might repackage the engine as well but I don't know the exact rules on changing the homologated engines. They might be stuck with the engine layout they have which will limit how much of their aero design they can change
Perhaps AM will buy a second team so have room for more drivers...🤔
Family is one thing. But it’s a business and if stroll is not winning with podiums. He should go.
I think Lance will leave on his own before 2026.
And who knows for sure that the 2026 engine from Honda will still be the best engine? New rules, lot more depending on the electric part. MGU-H will be dropped, energy from the MGU-K will almost triple. So who knows that Honda is the best choice....
They need to Ditch stroll if they wanna win as a team
This isn't the first time Martin Whitmarsh will take an F1 team from using successful Mercedes engines, to unproven Honda engines under new engine rules. McLaren has never recovered. To bet against Mercedes power in 2026 will be foolish.
I know we’re talking about F1 but when I see these teams an engine builders going with this hybrid engine for the future I think it’s going to be a waste of time Toyota will be coming out with an internal combustion engine that burns hydrogen gas before 2026. I think that will change the world and maybe the racing world
I’m wondering if Williams will change there engines! It could be the new engine’s from Cadillac, if Williams do that thay can do the same as Aston and get the bonus’s of testing a new engine.
Apparently there were other manufacturers sat in on the new regulation discussions so I wouldn't be surprised if a team like Williams could get a new engine from someone
Are Aston Martin going to build their own gearbox and rear suspension for 24 and 25 (as a test before they have to in 26) ? Or will they still use Mercedes parts wich will be better than this years?
I would imagine they will continue using the Merc parts and then focus their energy on 2026 over the next few years. Though there would be knowledge to be gained, they will be hiring people from other teams who already know how to make rear suspension and gear boxes for F1 cars.
My guess is with regulations moving to far more electrical power output, those components will naturally change to something else. Whether it will still be Merc I'm not sure, but it will definitely require a significant enough rework that it would make sense to shop around and pick the best.
Weird though as Aston Martin is part of the Daimler group.
What kind of statement was this - Honda did not want to do anything with sport 😂...absolutely hilarious.
Honda dominated F1 in the 80s and beginning of 90s.
Alonso after hearing the news 🫣🫣🫣
The Honda engine that was in the mclaren was rubbish that had nothing to do with the car design or Alonso driving
If Honda wants Japanese driver and Lawrence Stroll wants his son as driver. This team would be going nowhere.
Lance Stroll is consistently outperforming Tsnoda, even out qualifying Alonso at the Spanish GP, I don't think he is going to get the boot. Alonso is more likely to retire by that time.
Alonso finally would drive GP1 car
Leave the Drivers as they are, Lance is a cool guy and Alonso is the Best so he can learn from and be good
Customers engine always got less power than factory one...factory one have different dyno tweaks and for customers It's base model things...2014 force india got 75hp less than factory Mercedes engine...
Hard to see Alonso still there in 2026, in terms of pure speed and age. How Honda perform in 2026 is still unknown. They had a terrible time with the new regs compared to the other manufacturers in 2015 so who’s to say they build the best engine this time? For a period of time just like 2014 -2017 the car with the best engine will win the championship until everyone else catches up and Aero becomes the deciding factor again. Hard to put money on Honda building a better engine than Mercedes out of the box of a new formula given recent history. I suspect Alonso will retire in 2025. And as for Tsunoda Japan need to find some new drivers because I’m not sure he has the mentality it takes to be a champion. 2026 is a long way away and he’s been very inconsistent and temperamental despite 2023 being his best start to a season compared to his teammate.
Lawrence will get a top trainer for Lance.
Drugovich should be the one in that seat. Lance has got to go. 🤷♂️
Neuer ever will one Stroll dump another one!
I fi d it funny a car company trying to prove their car making ability is using an engine made by somebody else.
IF formela one get Electric i'm out
Surely they will still be a second team after Red Bull!
Still a question mark for my projecting yourself as Aston Martin so why not use Aston Martin engines, poor attitude blasting Honda as rubbish and now knowing they are the engine manufacturers of winners a typical Stroll attitude
Mercedes engines are not over powered any more !
Haha very true
If yuki isn’t good enough now he never will be, if Aston want to be a top team why would u hire a driver who isn’t even as good as a teammate (gasly) who was rejected by another top team? Unless they just want a Japanese driver like how BAR wanted Sato just for PR….. if Honda are just as serious about success they will go for Charles or lando, maybe even Russel if merc don’t improve/decide to pull out
Get Lance out of the car. Train him in the business side of racing or maybe as a driver coach or something. He had more than a fair chance. He needs to go.
I guess Fernando won't be renewed past 2025🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
100 % NON-carbon fuel !? F1 and Honda gone woke, A pox on them both !
Alonso didn’t embarrass Honda. Honda embarrassed Alonso.
No Mclaren embarrassed everyone
sorry mate it was 2009 when Martin Whitmarsh was team boss of McLaren, Ron Denis was still active at the team threw out 2008. it was on the 1 March 2009 that Denis did step down, i know that very well as well Im a McLaren fan. Martin was at the team yes that is why sometimes hes on the podium with lewis and that dont mean hes team boss, anyone from the team from CEO to Tyre guy can be up there.
also why do you think it held them back? you never really explained it just called it and ignored the ones that said it didnt cost them. explain.
oh and Honda wont last they will have 2 or 4 years and then pull out and i will not listen to a random person replying, i dont know you there for i have no reason to trust you. so save your time and dont waste it as it will just be brushed off. and please no Lewis hate its 2023 and lets not hate eachother due to the drivers we support try to grow up.
I have nothing against the analysis, but it is clear your bias against Mercedes. It it true that they failed producing a championship winning car, however they are not the reason Aston Martin has not won. Red Bull is just too good to loose and other teams are playing catch up, more like the other teams did during Mercedes or Ferrari golden era.
Not sure how that is bias. Everything he said is true. Merc give them engines and it is embarrassing that AMR are beating them despite the engine being specifically desgined for the Merc car. He didn't say them not winning is entirely down to the merc engine. Everyone knows no one is beating red bull but you can't deny they're being held back by a lack of independent engine. There's zero bias in this video. It's all facts.
Maybe they should drop his son as a driver if they want to actually win something
Imagine how many points AM would have if they had started the season with NIco Hulkenburg at the helm of the second AMR car.
is lawrence stroll really that ruthless?
what kind of a question is this?
his son is underperforming at an alarming rate, it is abundantly clear he must go.
ruthless is if he was managing to bring in some points every now and again but there was a better more consistent driver out there.
at this stage, letting lance go is doing him a favour. he cannot win a WDC even if u give him Max's current car. He is at best a wingman. He is not useful to AM should they want to challenge and i guarantee he is going to cost them a shot at #2 in the WCC this year.
After the 6th or 7th “massive” I quit listening.
Honda and carrying on with the Hokey Cokey
Now they have to ditch lance troll for anybody else
If you want to get better - you will need better drivers.
by 2026 Alonso will have moved on. imho
Mercedes engines aren’t overpowered anymore mate. They are last
9/10ths of the technical side of this video is just complete nonsense
Well in 3 years time, Alonso may retire as he is getting up their in age.
Mike Krack said yesterday that there isn't any reason Fernando won't be on the team in 2026 so I think they are keen to get him to stay
@@F1REVERSE But as a driver? Or as a coach/consultant. Maybe he becomes a driver pimp like Flavio was.
if lance goes Lawrence sell for 1.5 billion !!
Oh yes Stroll will kick his son out , I mean and even he knows is , money talks and bullshit walks
When will Aston go bust.
Yuki Sonoda has not made those great improvements this year. Honda must be watching NASCAR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Lance Stroll is an anchor better suited to submarine racing.
Of course Honda loathes loud mouth alonso and doesn't want him by 2026 using their engines. The Japanese are very stuffy about that. The problem daddy stroll has is that his boy is talentless and too slow to fight for a championship, regardless of the package. So, between Honda wanting a japanese driver (also not good enough), and daddy stroll wanting his boy there, the green force india doesn't stand a chance of ever winning a championship ever.
Not a construction championship anyway
Well you could argue it's a business decision at the moment to keep stroll in the car as it means it increases their chances of not finishing second so they'll get more wind tunnel time for development🤣
Hahaha hahaha hahaha how long before Honda drops out then??