It was something beautiful when I realized that the sequence breaks were fully expected by them. The secret kraid animation if you have early bombs was amazing
BSJs were big in Prime 2 interesting they brought it back but the one thing not mentioned is that performing this properly also requires that specific camera angle otherwise you won't get the instant unmorph
@BashPrime Do you think rando tourneys with remastered will be a thing or will you guys stick to the gamecube version? Edit: Though ig the better question to ask is what the odds are a rando of this will be made?
@@gokublack8342 There is a lot of work to be done but I think remastered rando will come eventually to Randovania As for tourneys, no idea. I think a lot of people will prefer gamecube because overall its sequence breaks are a lot more effective than in remastered
I just managed to do it! I found it much easier to do a triple bomb jump and doing a spring ball to hit both bombs. Have your fingers resting on x and b. Youre almost going to press both buttons at the same time but a slight delay. This is much much easier than the rock method
Always fun to sequence break these games, but I really want to see if it's possible to get Space Jump immediately after arriving on Tallon IV like in the original Gamecube version?
it depends like if doing IBBF (Ice beam before Flaaghra) and way early Plasma beam with spring/2BSJ, many sequence breaks, which I HOPE they dont patch, are like 80% possible
It would've been nice if I knew about this a whole lot sooner! But it does look complicated to pull off though. Getting certain missile expansions early is much easier. There's a least one that's a little tricky but it's easier to pull off than ESJ and BSJ. You can tell that the devs really didn't want you getting any of major power ups and upgrades early. But for some of the minor stuff like missile expansions, they didn't really give a shit. *Edit:* After trying to do the BSJ in the remaster, I can confirm that it does not work. It's just not possible! I was trying when I already the Space Jump Boots because I was curious to see if the BSJ actually works at all. I did exactly as said and it does not work!
I can confirm you can pull it off. I made it to the edge of the cliff I was so excited that when I moved to the right I ended up falling back down. It took me an hour to get there. Fuck that those I just ended up getting boost ball to the boots. Idk how speed runners can do this every day.
@@FusionKush Yeah, it's doable, but it requires an insane amount of luck to just suddenly manage to get the timing for your every move just right. It's so hard that it's literally impossible to repeat the same trick again and again so easily without some kind of cheating tool. Speedrunners make these tricks look so easy by cheating, but they just won't admit it because they know that if people knew, it'd make them look sus, so they risk making themselves look even more sus by denying it. I even found visuals that someone shared, where it literally showed a player out of bounds by doing one these ridiculous tricks, and it clearly shows that it's been done on a PC. Yes, their tricks are doable, but ain't nobody got time to waste like hours to a day or more, messing around trying to do just one trick that they made look so easy. There people like this in the Zelda community too. I remember there was this one trick to get the Master Sword early in Twilight Princess that I would have so much trouble with in the past. But despite the fact that I can confirm that that trick is doable, it so hard and annoying to pull off, even though people on youtube made it look so easy. An even better example is the Door of Time skip in Ocarina of Time. It took so much of my time to finally pull it off, or to realize later that getting back through time when I need to in order to progress is literally next to impossible. And to this day, I also still don't understand how anybody manages to pull off those crazy tricks to get passed that gate in Gerudo Valley as Young Link. Whenever I try, I always fail. I think I recall a time where I did manage to pull it off, that was like one time, and these tricks are too hard to pull off a second time, especially as easily as these speedrunner jokers make it look. So, yeah, these speedrunner jokers sus as hell and not worth our time and energy! It's better to just play the game and mostly only do the sequence break tricks that actually can be pulled off multiple times with ease. Like getting a expansion to something earlier than intended or reaching a dungeon early. Stuff like that is much more fun than torturing yourself trying to do something that may or may not end up getting you soft locked. Nobody wants to get soft locked by doing a trick that took hours to finally pull off. Better to just play the game and have fun than to ruin the experience by wasting so much trying to do something so difficult that even managing to pull off ends up not even being worth it in the end anyways because getting soft locked is not fun.
A question. I managed to get up the hill, but a couple of times I got up, Samus ended up sliding down instead of where I need her to jump past that barrier. Could you explain what that could be?
U need to walk up and right very slowly till u hit a spot where it doesn’t let u walk anymore, once ur there jump and hold foward. Check out my pinned comment for a more in depth video
You speedrunners have problems, man. I'd rather not spend hours trying to pull of a TAS move. Unfortunately I don't have a Switch to try it as well. Heck, I got the short distance Shinespark trick in Super only once.
@@Broly_TheMetroidFan maybe combat dash is not what I mean, I know u can dash while holding Down the Aim button but I’m talking about when u let go of the aim button mid dash and it sends u flying with that momentum, everytime I tried in my playthrough it’ll cut me off mid air
@@JkMaNz Ah, I see. Yes, they did sadly remove that. I discovered that when I was attempting to get the space jump boots early. I was using the Wii strategy.
Infinite speed seemingly doesnt work anymore. using a cheat I was able to clip into a previously loaded room, which in the old game would cause your morph ball to get stuck in collision. but it seems even unloaded rooms collision maps are still being calculated properly with morph ball sadly.
Also another thing. The removal of ether/aether might be what fixed that partially. But even if you could get stuck they probably fixed the overflow bug on the float anyways. However I hear word that modders are working on patching in scan dashing and fixing L movement. And more to come most likely, soon enough we will be able to enjoy randomizers on the go. Looking at the files every map is it's own object which hopefully makes the randomizer easier to develop. And we might even get actual rom hacks finally.
How are you coming out of morph ball without it loading the camera angle of the screen panning back into the helmet?... I'm starting to think it's fake man.
@Mitchell Emahiser It is actually possible. When you unmorph instantly, the game takes a couple of frames to realize that you're airborne. This trick has been known since the original release on the GameCube and it's been preserved in the remaster.
@@DEA_emahiser There's no "hacking" involved. It's just an unintended interaction of the existing game mechanics that can be triggered during normal gameplay.
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The rock is more reliable JK, it took several hours to learn it since I never did in the past but just after 12 minutes today I got it there
If Prime 4 incorporates Dread level sequence breaks I'd replay it like crazy
It was something beautiful when I realized that the sequence breaks were fully expected by them. The secret kraid animation if you have early bombs was amazing
BSJs were big in Prime 2 interesting they brought it back but the one thing not mentioned is that performing this properly also requires that specific camera angle otherwise you won't get the instant unmorph
Your right I forgot to add that, tried to fit the hardest sequence break into a 1 minute video
BSJs work in all 3 Prime games actually, it's pretty neat
@BashPrime Do you think rando tourneys with remastered will be a thing or will you guys stick to the gamecube version? Edit: Though ig the better question to ask is what the odds are a rando of this will be made?
@@gokublack8342 There is a lot of work to be done but I think remastered rando will come eventually to Randovania
As for tourneys, no idea. I think a lot of people will prefer gamecube because overall its sequence breaks are a lot more effective than in remastered
@BashPrime That's fair
I just managed to do it! I found it much easier to do a triple bomb jump and doing a spring ball to hit both bombs. Have your fingers resting on x and b. Youre almost going to press both buttons at the same time but a slight delay. This is much much easier than the rock method
I just did the phendrana artifact sequence break it is possible too
Omg good to know thanks 🙏🙏
Is that with the early power bomb at phendrana's edge? I'd love to know how you managed that, I can't seem to get up onto that branch
Always fun to sequence break these games, but I really want to see if it's possible to get Space Jump immediately after arriving on Tallon IV like in the original Gamecube version?
Patched the gc version, this is basically the trilogy version of the game
This trick is rage inducing that is all there is to say about it
Will speed runners be doing this? APPARENTLY YES I’ll probably be ignoring this till I get the hang of it…
BSJs in general can be very useful maybe not this specific one but now people see that it's possible
it depends like if doing IBBF (Ice beam before Flaaghra) and way early Plasma beam with spring/2BSJ, many sequence breaks, which I HOPE they dont patch, are like 80% possible
@TheCorrellRoyHD™| GamerZ Paradise! You're thinking they could BSJ to get into tunnel to get to upper furnace early?
Unsure about glitches. However this could save up to 10-15 minutes in glitchless speedruns.
@@ShinoInari is it? Thought it kinda didn’t matter tbh. How exactly do it help?
I just did it. It took me like 15 min. Thanks
Been doing this for hours and nothing. The rock near the ship, well forget about that.
Its not as easy as it looks
ice beam early was found, all it needs is spacejump.
Fuck man both of the glitches are hard to do.
I gave up 😓
Hmm.... wonder if there's a way to get power bombs early in phendrana drifts & if that spore ball jump works to get the plasma beam early as well.
This basically impossible to do...Spent like 4 hours trying to get it done. Might as well continue to Phendrana instead.
FRRRR
Aye yo?? The sounds difficult lmao
It’s practically impossible
It only has a chance of working with a specific camera angle the camera angle is what makes the instant unmorph at the end possible
@@JkMaNz that's unfortunate but maybe some savant will come along and find a reliable set up lol
It would've been nice if I knew about this a whole lot sooner! But it does look complicated to pull off though. Getting certain missile expansions early is much easier. There's a least one that's a little tricky but it's easier to pull off than ESJ and BSJ. You can tell that the devs really didn't want you getting any of major power ups and upgrades early. But for some of the minor stuff like missile expansions, they didn't really give a shit.
*Edit:* After trying to do the BSJ in the remaster, I can confirm that it does not work. It's just not possible! I was trying when I already the Space Jump Boots because I was curious to see if the BSJ actually works at all. I did exactly as said and it does not work!
It works just timing so hard
@@JkMaNz Works or not, it's really not worth trying given that it'd take forever to get something like this to finally work.
@@PJCVita92 true, but speed runners been doing this since the Wii and even GameCube patched versions, so speedrunners are already used to tho 🥲🥲🥲
I can confirm you can pull it off. I made it to the edge of the cliff I was so excited that when I moved to the right I ended up falling back down. It took me an hour to get there. Fuck that those I just ended up getting boost ball to the boots. Idk how speed runners can do this every day.
@@FusionKush Yeah, it's doable, but it requires an insane amount of luck to just suddenly manage to get the timing for your every move just right. It's so hard that it's literally impossible to repeat the same trick again and again so easily without some kind of cheating tool. Speedrunners make these tricks look so easy by cheating, but they just won't admit it because they know that if people knew, it'd make them look sus, so they risk making themselves look even more sus by denying it. I even found visuals that someone shared, where it literally showed a player out of bounds by doing one these ridiculous tricks, and it clearly shows that it's been done on a PC.
Yes, their tricks are doable, but ain't nobody got time to waste like hours to a day or more, messing around trying to do just one trick that they made look so easy. There people like this in the Zelda community too. I remember there was this one trick to get the Master Sword early in Twilight Princess that I would have so much trouble with in the past. But despite the fact that I can confirm that that trick is doable, it so hard and annoying to pull off, even though people on youtube made it look so easy. An even better example is the Door of Time skip in Ocarina of Time. It took so much of my time to finally pull it off, or to realize later that getting back through time when I need to in order to progress is literally next to impossible. And to this day, I also still don't understand how anybody manages to pull off those crazy tricks to get passed that gate in Gerudo Valley as Young Link. Whenever I try, I always fail. I think I recall a time where I did manage to pull it off, that was like one time, and these tricks are too hard to pull off a second time, especially as easily as these speedrunner jokers make it look.
So, yeah, these speedrunner jokers sus as hell and not worth our time and energy! It's better to just play the game and mostly only do the sequence break tricks that actually can be pulled off multiple times with ease. Like getting a expansion to something earlier than intended or reaching a dungeon early. Stuff like that is much more fun than torturing yourself trying to do something that may or may not end up getting you soft locked. Nobody wants to get soft locked by doing a trick that took hours to finally pull off. Better to just play the game and have fun than to ruin the experience by wasting so much trying to do something so difficult that even managing to pull off ends up not even being worth it in the end anyways because getting soft locked is not fun.
A question. I managed to get up the hill, but a couple of times I got up, Samus ended up sliding down instead of where I need her to jump past that barrier. Could you explain what that could be?
To add on, I did not succeed in jumping past that barrier.
U need to walk up and right very slowly till u hit a spot where it doesn’t let u walk anymore, once ur there jump and hold foward. Check out my pinned comment for a more in depth video
You speedrunners have problems, man. I'd rather not spend hours trying to pull of a TAS move. Unfortunately I don't have a Switch to try it as well. Heck, I got the short distance Shinespark trick in Super only once.
Can you spring jump on classic control scheme though?
Apperently no
God darn it
How do you even Spring Jump?
Apparently it's with motions controls but it's not working at all
@@jonathanblaqk x or right number depends on ur controller setup. I’ve heard that with GameCube controls u can’t spring ball
I will never do that cuz i can't i maybe try but that very hard and thanks for the tuto
You can do it!
But no Scan Dash?
HELL NO LMFAO not even comat dash
@@JkMaNz There is combat dash, just not scan dash.
@@Broly_TheMetroidFan maybe combat dash is not what I mean, I know u can dash while holding Down the Aim button but I’m talking about when u let go of the aim button mid dash and it sends u flying with that momentum, everytime I tried in my playthrough it’ll cut me off mid air
@@JkMaNz Ah, I see. Yes, they did sadly remove that. I discovered that when I was attempting to get the space jump boots early. I was using the Wii strategy.
@@Broly_TheMetroidFan yea f this Wii strategy man I want my early space jump 😞
Does Infinite speed still work?
Not sure but most likely not
No, they moved the crate where you could do infinite speed to get the early Power Bomb.
@@Broly_TheMetroidFan WTF
@@Broly_TheMetroidFan nooooo how will I get early power bombs now 😭
@@JkMaNz They also removed that little platform that allowed you to get early plasma beam. The entire thing is gone.
Hi Jk
Hey jk
Uhhh isn't this kinda essentially just ibj from super metroid?
No cuz u can’t continue doing it after the 3rd explosion
@@JkMaNz I meant to say minus the infinite part but it's the same overall process
What about Infinite Speed?
Infinite speed seemingly doesnt work anymore. using a cheat I was able to clip into a previously loaded room, which in the old game would cause your morph ball to get stuck in collision. but it seems even unloaded rooms collision maps are still being calculated properly with morph ball sadly.
Also another thing. The removal of ether/aether might be what fixed that partially. But even if you could get stuck they probably fixed the overflow bug on the float anyways. However I hear word that modders are working on patching in scan dashing and fixing L movement. And more to come most likely, soon enough we will be able to enjoy randomizers on the go. Looking at the files every map is it's own object which hopefully makes the randomizer easier to develop. And we might even get actual rom hacks finally.
How are you coming out of morph ball without it loading the camera angle of the screen panning back into the helmet?... I'm starting to think it's fake man.
Not fake just too precise
It's Hi-Jump Boots. Not Space Jump....
Yeo dingle berry literally look it up LMFAO this is prime not 2D metroid
LOL so confidently wrong
@@matthewcabagelover9993 it’s ok I made the same mistake, but I didn’t call it hi jump boots I said double jump, high jump is a whole diffrent item 💀
I can not do this
Me neither 🥲
NOT POSSABLE! The dude was hacking. There is NO way anyone could do this!
Possible just not fun
@@JkMaNz Its NOT possable. If you look they do a Jump right after you unmorph and that its self is not possable.
@Mitchell Emahiser It is actually possible. When you unmorph instantly, the game takes a couple of frames to realize that you're airborne. This trick has been known since the original release on the GameCube and it's been preserved in the remaster.
@@PresidentMagikarp Sure, if you are hacking. But its NOT if your LEGIT.
@@DEA_emahiser There's no "hacking" involved. It's just an unintended interaction of the existing game mechanics that can be triggered during normal gameplay.