It's like all 3 races have a ceiling... Protoss is nice - it's glass, it's beautiful outside. Terrans have a hot air balloon, sometimes they can get that thing inflated and the sky is barely a limit. Then Zergs... they've got a metre thick steel roof, that might be hard to break through... but then again they're Zerg so their are acids & piercing claws at hand. Yes they can be harder, but the beauty (ease of play relatively speaking - *without* spell/ability casters) is only nice to look at. Have needed a more dynamic ceiling than what Zergs & Terrans get, even if it means making the race mildly harder on macro.
Wow, Serral is just so solid. He just doesn't seem to have any weakness in this matchup. And Hero countering abduct with warp prims micro was so impressive. Such great games!!
2:00 This is a really great way to accelerate Adept pressure! I *think* it's dependent upon a map like this with a narrow choke. Otherwise your wall would be too late vs early Lings.
Hero is the best. His planning and execution is flawless. Neeb or Astrea are just two noobs compared to him. But Serral showed unbelievable strategic thinking when being low on drones and knowing that Hero is only on 2 bases Serral made army untill he stopped that almost unbeatable push. He was on the edge of defeat. Most zergs would try to make drones and lose. That game is definitely at the level of top final game.
Was thinking of a recall on interceptors... to scout or aid in corss map bombing run... on scvs... in a then attack move shift on each scv or target area.. would they shoot... hmm carrier range is 16 interceptor range... but base 6 ....
@@MAAJ1987 but they are playing StarCraft not supply wars. You seem to not understand how the game works. This was a very close two games that serial barely won. But be salty with yourself if you have to
It's so nice seeing Protoss finally get put down a peg. Disruptor and Shield Battery nerfs were a lot more significant than expected and practically removes two problem units that have been plaguing the game for years. Great balance patch.
Thing is, at this level, Protoss was already balanced, or even slightly underperforming. Protoss was OP at the lower end of the pro scene and on most of the ladder, largely because carriers were difficult to deal with in PvZ, and Protoss gets the initial eco lead and techs first vs Terran to dictate the game a bit more. Though Zerg was the race in that position (except also winning the most tournaments at every level) for almost 10 years (Barring a few periods of Terran dominance such as at the start of WoL/HoTS) until the patch in August 2020 that nerfed banelings to 15 damage vs non-light and buffed oracles, voidrays, carriers and tempests.
@@eckolnovkol5111 Lol you're dumb if you think protoss is op and I say this as a Terran player. SC2 has always been balanced based on top tier play and zerg has been dominating for years. They need a huge nerf
@@zacrusk5274 maybe it is just that other pro protoss were not that good compared to pro zerg and pro terrans. After all HerO was winning without any balance changes, he simply adopted a new different strategy.
Im filing an imbalance complain at IODIS next time I get chance. Serral is absolutely imba and until they nerf him, we protoss are never gonna be able to win.
Problem is its not just Serral.. theres a reason why we've seen even second or third tier zergs do so well over the last few years.. ragnarok, lambo etc. Zerg needs a nerf
@@rat2244 Yeah vipers are just ridiculous. They basically counter all the good units protoss has and defeat any protoss army. If you want to win as zerg, just make vipers. Abduct needs to be nerfed into the ground.
@@evelic You realize that Zerg found ways to deal with collossus back in Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Swarm right? Way before vipers existed, Zerg didn't just lose every game. And colossus were stronger back then, they didn't do bonus damage to light, they did good damage to everything. Protoss didn't win every tournament back then. It was doable, modern zerg have just forgotten any other counters exist because vipers are the braindead easy button.
@@orangepearlf40 Do you know HT is in the whole other tech branch? How do you have HT and Colossi simutaneously in mid game timing? How much gas do you have? You need Colossi/disruptor just for surviving from Hydra/roach ravager respectively. But Viper just counter both of them without any other options exept for HT. Even without viper, Zerg has mutas, corrupters, and even roach to counter Colossi and ling bane to counter disruptors for early obtions. Even skytoss can be nicely solved with Vipers (litterally every tier 3 protoss unit can be countered by Viper). It has difference between "tier 3 units for the win" and "tier 3 units for surviving". If you rush the HT tech, congratulation! You are trading 1 colossi timing for only 2 storms. Good luck to deal with swarms. "Pros are just refusing to use them and look at the results" OMG! They are playing for their career. Do you have awareness about that?
imagine being behind in eco all game, donating units the entire early game, building pure tier 1 units with 2 vipers vs a decked out tier 2 and tier 3 army, getting outmicroed in the fight and then just amoving to victory.
Imagine wasting a lot of time and resources into a cheesy rush that achieved nothing, get your expands continually cancelled, be extremely late with your proper attack to the point where the opponent already has all the answers to it, and then still almost win
@XDezibellX I agree with you there. At 12:15 they had equal army supply yet banelings still manage to kill non light units. Even after nerfs they are still the best units in the game. Even with 5 immortals and 4 colossi. That is ridiculous
@@TheThinkerClown Did nothing = equal in eco? Getting your nexus cancelled also does not change the eco being equal. You're just agreeing with me. Protoss actually needs to be ahead in eco to be able to beat zerg. And that's impossible.
Hero lost to serral because he believed he could out micro serral playing self-hurt comp (immortal colossus and mass stalker) against ling bane viper, the warp prism micro was insane but ineffective, that is just straight up disrespectful and at the same time, ignorant. It was all about composition choice. Had he play Archon, HT and chargelot, hero could just a move and win, the only micro he would have needed is feedback the vipers. But no, he had to make it fancy, make it flashy. Warp prism micro was very beautiful, but after each fight he lost most of his army even winning, because he was too busy with the warp prism. It was like a pyrrhic victory effect. You won the battle, but you cannot finish the war. And zerg is good at remaxing, which is their nature. Just slow down and use your brain, you will see that theres nothing imbalance or unfair, in game or life.
@@tungnse ah, if only the mighty TungNguyen-yr8dt had been there to coach herO. Alas, it was not meant to be. Clearly, if you just build Archon, HT, and chargelot, you can just A-move and use very simple micro against the best Zerg player in the world and win. Rank 1, here I come! Nothing unfair in life you say? How dumb are you? There are people being born into war, poverty, famine, and other horrible situations. Meanwhile, there are privileged people like you and me who argue about a fucking video game. "Slow down and use your brain"
Hero really loves his stalkers. The trashiest unit in sc2. 125/50 for such a mediocre unit. Even with perfect micro it loses to an army cheaper than itself. Absolute trash.
insane game 1. cannot believe the level. this is finals vibes
So good, glad I came to watch this. Was not disappointed!
A pleasure to watch Serral play.
Not to mention hero! Two of my fave players!
Being a Protoss fan is like being a Chicago Bears fan. We cheer, we watch, we get excited, but we know we are not winning.
That feel when you record breaking return the kickoff for a touchdown in the superbowl then go on to never score the rest of the game
It's like all 3 races have a ceiling... Protoss is nice - it's glass, it's beautiful outside. Terrans have a hot air balloon, sometimes they can get that thing inflated and the sky is barely a limit. Then Zergs... they've got a metre thick steel roof, that might be hard to break through... but then again they're Zerg so their are acids & piercing claws at hand.
Yes they can be harder, but the beauty (ease of play relatively speaking - *without* spell/ability casters) is only nice to look at. Have needed a more dynamic ceiling than what Zergs & Terrans get, even if it means making the race mildly harder on macro.
I mean… it’s serral
This hurt me as I’m both
But it's worst cuz at least every other Football fan isn't vehemently rooting for the Bears to lose unlike Protoss 😂.
I am a Protoss player but Serral is my favourite player of all time. He makes the game look so easy
Serral is a beast. Im a toss player and hero fan but damn serral is playing like an AI robot.
I love the energy of the commentators. less boring, monotone game analysis. May be the best champion win, Game on ESL!
Serral is a frickin beast!
Stone cold killer
Zombie Grub sounds great today! love the energy
ZG with piG is great combo
usually she is annoying but this game gave me hope.
Wow, Serral is just so solid. He just doesn't seem to have any weakness in this matchup. And Hero countering abduct with warp prims micro was so impressive. Such great games!!
Serral's advice on how to play SC2: "Try not to die. "
2:00 This is a really great way to accelerate Adept pressure! I *think* it's dependent upon a map like this with a narrow choke. Otherwise your wall would be too late vs early Lings.
amazing casting! love the back n forth between pig and zombiegrub❤
This
what a intense game!
Hero will adjust for sure. Serral needed that. I felt like he was caving after he lost to two zerg players he should've beat imo.
Hero is the best. His planning and execution is flawless. Neeb or Astrea are just two noobs compared to him. But Serral showed unbelievable strategic thinking when being low on drones and knowing that Hero is only on 2 bases Serral made army untill he stopped that almost unbeatable push. He was on the edge of defeat. Most zergs would try to make drones and lose. That game is definitely at the level of top final game.
Serral is just insane... Literally he is in God Mode.
14:27 He sees the Nexus being build.
14:54 Waits for it to finish.
15:08 Shuts down the poke
15:21 Moves in for cancel.
What the what just happened? Crazy series!!!
What a great game 1
14:03 Artosis is laughing in the background
Dude i've always admired how these guys can play Starcraft like this. It's mesmerizing how they can micromanage their units like that
whats that zoom in on heros face when the oracle died lol
It was so nice to see fans from my home land of Kyrgyzstan :)
Zyrgkstan😂
hero=sharpest knife
serral=biggest shield
Or Spear of Adun vs Grand Leviathan.
@@kittyflier8338 serral should play protoss as well
@@heime1990 Or play random?(I don't know if random is allowed in tournaments)
a good commentator doesnt talk nonstop 7/11
Go Serral!
nerf abduction with just that serral win
Playing against Serral means you have to question your life choices every second...
Hero no match for serral this battle but I am hero fan. Next time... hero win
ну грызёт Serral! Top!
Tough group!
Was thinking of a recall on interceptors... to scout or aid in corss map bombing run... on scvs... in a then attack move shift on each scv or target area.. would they shoot... hmm carrier range is 16 interceptor range... but base 6 ....
Hey Protoss could you get your salt out of the comment section?
SUCH HYPE FROM THESE CASTERS
Titan ....
Who are the casters? They should put their names in the description. I recognize ZombieGrub but not the other one.
pig
Pig
Other is PiG
Protoss still need buff
All Finnish are cool as ice: Hakkinen, Raikonnen, etc.
Topson
the best toss vs the best zerg... and the toss got rolled without resistance, but there's no race imbalance, right? right?
? It was extremely close
12:10 almost 20 supply advantage for zerg turned to 30 advantage at 12:16
26:44 around 40 to 50 supply advantage for zerg
@@MAAJ1987 but they are playing StarCraft not supply wars. You seem to not understand how the game works. This was a very close two games that serial barely won. But be salty with yourself if you have to
@@MAAJ1987 trying to say that the game wasn't close because of supply really displays your ignorance of how the game works.
差距有点大
Why are you fighting in this great match comment?
GG((((((((((
That series was lit fam.
Crybaby protosses in this comment section: GET RUINED LOL
serral 蟲族的天花板
hero lost game 1, because no robo production after losing first army.
EZ4BASILISK
Eeehhhh, doesn't really have the same ring to it, does it?
It's so nice seeing Protoss finally get put down a peg. Disruptor and Shield Battery nerfs were a lot more significant than expected and practically removes two problem units that have been plaguing the game for years. Great balance patch.
??? Protoss never wins anything, hero was the first Protoss to win gsl in years. You just suck vs Protoss I bet
@@zacrusk5274 The entire pro balance team disagrees with you.
Thing is, at this level, Protoss was already balanced, or even slightly underperforming. Protoss was OP at the lower end of the pro scene and on most of the ladder, largely because carriers were difficult to deal with in PvZ, and Protoss gets the initial eco lead and techs first vs Terran to dictate the game a bit more.
Though Zerg was the race in that position (except also winning the most tournaments at every level) for almost 10 years (Barring a few periods of Terran dominance such as at the start of WoL/HoTS) until the patch in August 2020 that nerfed banelings to 15 damage vs non-light and buffed oracles, voidrays, carriers and tempests.
@@eckolnovkol5111 Lol you're dumb if you think protoss is op and I say this as a Terran player. SC2 has always been balanced based on top tier play and zerg has been dominating for years. They need a huge nerf
@@zacrusk5274 maybe it is just that other pro protoss were not that good compared to pro zerg and pro terrans. After all HerO was winning without any balance changes, he simply adopted a new different strategy.
Koreans progamers was the Best. Now they are the Best only in 2nd league 🤷🏻♂️
any other zerg would have lost game 1.
Serral only lose To ZVZ ma man
Im filing an imbalance complain at IODIS next time I get chance. Serral is absolutely imba and until they nerf him, we protoss are never gonna be able to win.
Games were pretty close, though.
Problem is its not just Serral.. theres a reason why we've seen even second or third tier zergs do so well over the last few years.. ragnarok, lambo etc. Zerg needs a nerf
@@rat2244 Yeah vipers are just ridiculous. They basically counter all the good units protoss has and defeat any protoss army. If you want to win as zerg, just make vipers. Abduct needs to be nerfed into the ground.
@@taragnor Lol, so how would zerg deal with early timing attack packed with Colossus that melt zerg ground units.
@@evelic You realize that Zerg found ways to deal with collossus back in Wings of Liberty and Heart of the Swarm right? Way before vipers existed, Zerg didn't just lose every game. And colossus were stronger back then, they didn't do bonus damage to light, they did good damage to everything. Protoss didn't win every tournament back then.
It was doable, modern zerg have just forgotten any other counters exist because vipers are the braindead easy button.
I will have to admit. Protoss needs a buff. It feels like they have units with alot of HP but they severely lack in the DPS department.
Why protoss is so weak nowadays
zerg def everything with queens#zergnoskill ,protoss balance is pathetic fix the game
the one announcer needs to stop saying "right?" after everything they say.
Right?
GG but vipers imba like always
Without Vipers, Zerg doesn't have a late game tho..
@@nickmatthewsmusicstudio Agree, perhaps could nerf vipers more, or buff its counters
The prism save is sick tho, have not seen that before
Vipers are not imba. Ht stops them with feedback the pros are just refusing to use them and look at the results. Getting flattened out on the canvas.
@@orangepearlf40 Do you know HT is in the whole other tech branch? How do you have HT and Colossi simutaneously in mid game timing? How much gas do you have? You need Colossi/disruptor just for surviving from Hydra/roach ravager respectively. But Viper just counter both of them without any other options exept for HT. Even without viper, Zerg has mutas, corrupters, and even roach to counter Colossi and ling bane to counter disruptors for early obtions.
Even skytoss can be nicely solved with Vipers (litterally every tier 3 protoss unit can be countered by Viper).
It has difference between "tier 3 units for the win" and "tier 3 units for surviving".
If you rush the HT tech, congratulation! You are trading 1 colossi timing for only 2 storms. Good luck to deal with swarms.
"Pros are just refusing to use them and look at the results" OMG! They are playing for their career. Do you have awareness about that?
imagine being behind in eco all game, donating units the entire early game, building pure tier 1 units with 2 vipers vs a decked out tier 2 and tier 3 army, getting outmicroed in the fight and then just amoving to victory.
Imagine wasting a lot of time and resources into a cheesy rush that achieved nothing, get your expands continually cancelled, be extremely late with your proper attack to the point where the opponent already has all the answers to it, and then still almost win
@XDezibellX I agree with you there. At 12:15 they had equal army supply yet banelings still manage to kill non light units. Even after nerfs they are still the best units in the game. Even with 5 immortals and 4 colossi. That is ridiculous
@@TheThinkerClown Did nothing = equal in eco? Getting your nexus cancelled also does not change the eco being equal. You're just agreeing with me. Protoss actually needs to be ahead in eco to be able to beat zerg. And that's impossible.
Hero lost to serral because he believed he could out micro serral playing self-hurt comp (immortal colossus and mass stalker) against ling bane viper, the warp prism micro was insane but ineffective, that is just straight up disrespectful and at the same time, ignorant. It was all about composition choice.
Had he play Archon, HT and chargelot, hero could just a move and win, the only micro he would have needed is feedback the vipers. But no, he had to make it fancy, make it flashy. Warp prism micro was very beautiful, but after each fight he lost most of his army even winning, because he was too busy with the warp prism. It was like a pyrrhic victory effect. You won the battle, but you cannot finish the war. And zerg is good at remaxing, which is their nature.
Just slow down and use your brain, you will see that theres nothing imbalance or unfair, in game or life.
@@tungnse ah, if only the mighty TungNguyen-yr8dt had been there to coach herO. Alas, it was not meant to be. Clearly, if you just build Archon, HT, and chargelot, you can just A-move and use very simple micro against the best Zerg player in the world and win. Rank 1, here I come!
Nothing unfair in life you say? How dumb are you? There are people being born into war, poverty, famine, and other horrible situations. Meanwhile, there are privileged people like you and me who argue about a fucking video game. "Slow down and use your brain"
way to much shouting from Zombiegrub.
lol ur mad?
Its past your bedtime grandpa
@@coolaidmedic5553 lol
Vipers literally break the game
need ht to feedback them
so do warp prisms :)
Hero really loves his stalkers. The trashiest unit in sc2. 125/50 for such a mediocre unit. Even with perfect micro it loses to an army cheaper than itself. Absolute trash.