What's really creepy, there is a family out there who were asleep one night, and an extreme nightmare looked through a window into their home. And the family never knew it happened.
@@dreamscott5913 At 1:15 the narrator states Manson and Watson looked through a window of a random house and saw photos children(and family) and decided not to kill children YET. Unbelievable!
Lkhrobertson yes! An over view really helps put things in perspective for me. I’m researching other stories right now, but Lindbergh sounds very interesting!
Dear Forrest Haggerty; Thank you for providing outstanding perspective via Google Earth of two horrific nights of terror, in August of 1969. I was not quite ten years old, living in a small town in Southern Utah. Hearing the news reports of the Tate-Labianca murders terrified me beyond measure. As an adult, I read Vincent Bugliosi's book, "Helter Skelter" on his prosecution and conviction of theses animals. However, your painstaking retracing of the streets, houses, etc. through Google Earth provides an incredible added dimension to the crimes. Thank you for an excellent job. RIP to Sharon Tate and unborn baby, her guests, Steve Parent, and the Labianca's. What a horrible chapter to the closing of a very turbulent decade in American history. Todd Holman, Mesa, AZ.
I remember the Tate murders but completely forgot about the Labianca murders. I was just 13 years old at the time. Fascinating you were able to give us such a detailed roadmap of what happened both nights. Sounds like they were high and just joyriding around that crazy night. Sick, sick people. Very interesting, horrifying & fascinating all at the same time. Thank you.
I always wondered why they chose these particular victims. Based on the somewhat difficult locations, they didn't appear to be random, as if they had prior knowledge. Never read any info on that. Great work, Mr. Haggerty! Just subscribed.
@@saintlanax I think it was. Some people believe in lies that Manson chose those places because he thought the Beach Boys and Terry Melcher lived there. But we will never know.
Komfy Koala Terry Melcher lived there with his girlfriend Candice Bergen aka Murphy Brown. Terry was a record producer that Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys introduced Manson to in hopes of making it in the music industry. Once Melcher heard Manson’s demo he declined to help him which crushed Manson’s dream of a musical career. Thus that house represented the root of all Manson dream, he didn’t care who lived there
Thank you Forrest for a great youtube channel. I love finding places that I see in documentaries and crime scenes on google maps. I live in Norway but I can pinpoint many obscure locations in the US in minutes from having this hobby. But now you're doing it for me, for stories I haven't looked up. I'm going to watch all your videos!
Wow. How masterful you are with that technology. I thoroughly enjoyed that presentation. I would love to see what you could do in plotting the routes of the Zodiac Killer. That would be equally riveting, no doubt.
I worked with the children of Leno and Rosemary a few years after the murders. The family was with another family at Bass Lake. The Labianca kids (late teens) stayed an extra day with family friends and came back with them. Had the kids returned with their folks they too might have been victims.
Interesting twists of fate can sometimes be life altering, like the random family with a picture of their kids out, and a stoplight that changed not a second too soon. Another great job by Forrest Haggerty. I assume that whoever lives in the Labianca house now knows of the history (and isn't the least bit superstitious). And Charley, wtf … we have to hitchhike back to the ranch??
A fetus is not the same as a baby, but it was still beyond vile, of course. They were a bunch of violent, mentally ill people. Charles Manson is one of the best arguments for PRO-CHOICE ever! He was unwanted by his parents, the mom having been a teenager and criminal.
@@lisellesloan3191 that's a poor argument. It's his parents fault for being idiots and getting pregnant in the first place. Abortion shouldn't be a fall back because you made a poor decision and got pregnant. I'm not really pro choice or pro life. I do think there are situations where abortion should be an option. Those situations are few.
@@lisellesloan3191 that sounds like I'm saying you aren't right but the exact opposite. That is a particular situation. You know what's going to happen to a kid in that situation. Why allow the kid to grow up in that environment? It shouldn't have happened. I just meant overall that's a poor argument for pro choice
This was better than the book!!!! With both video's you told the whole story and I learned a few things I never knew before. THANK YOU and SUBSCRIBED!!!!
Quite some commentary, location accuracy from birds eye view and history knowledge. Thanks for the info. Curious if you've done this for other infamous murders? If so ever considered doing one on the Cunanan chain of murders that ended with Gianni Versace ?
I read Helter Skelter as a young teenager...probably should not have. The home invasion aspect of this horror has always stuck with me. This is why my home has an alarm system with motion sensors, and I have a .357 revolver. I wish I had a gun and could go back to 1969. I would have defended the Labiancas and Sharon Tate and her friends. I would have busted more than a few into those hippy freaks. How dare they invade the private property of another. How dare they harm a pregnant woman. How dare they terrorize a whole population.
It's weird because humans have done other things far worse than these murders, yet there is something so macabre and subconsciously eerie about them. I slept with by BB-gun by my bed as a teenager after reading the book.BTW...love your channel and your work.
Your comments are telling me a bit more about the tragic story which I remember when I was in Europe. So, there had been a home invasion, not knowing the full story, I wondered if Sharon was acquainted with those monsters. Tragic story!
Same here. I read that book and also never forgot about it. Although I wasn't even born when all this happened, these crimes are part of the reason why I'm paranoid today. That book was very disturbing, not to mention I watched the movie too, which was also a mistake.
@@kristinestaples7607 Agreed, but I also think it serves as a lesson in preparing. Plus, it is weird because there have been people who have done much worse, yet this story really gets to you.
Really informative video, thanks for these uploads. Interesting to see as not everyone is able to visit these places, and the videos provide a quick visual explanation of what took place, well done.
Came across your videos and love them. Your research is spot on and with the help of google earth, I became enraptured! Thank you for this history and traveling back in time! Keep it up!
Wow! Loved the videos so informative. And to have an actual view of the areas in your videos makes so much more intriguing! How about Bonnie and Clyde’s last ride?!
The great irony with the LaBianca killings was that their daughter later became very supportive of Charles “Tex” Watson, and actually forgave him. She even tried to have him paroled, and released. That is so bizarre but true.
I was a young kid in England when this happened. I remember it coming on as a newsflash at the end of a late night film we were watching on TV- it was school holidays so I was allowed to stay up late. They didn't know who had done it then we just got the horror of this multiple murder. I went to bed and I was terrified so to calm myself I thought -" These murders took place in L.A. - I'm in Manchester UK thousands of miles away. They would never come here in a million years" Several years later I discovered that the most violent of the Manson family"Tex" Watson, had in fact lived in Manchester's student district for a time on a visit to the UK. He enjoyed having his tea in Lewis's Restaurant. That's where my family used to go in those days. I felt a cold chill go down my spine when I read this.
I’m so sorry you had to discover that horrible murderer was once in your town. I wasn’t alive yet, but the murders Manson’s minions committed were appalling. Recently, Patricia Krenwinkle was granted parole, however, it was overturned by California’s governor. They were sentenced to death originally, so staying in prison until their death is the proper sentence.
Fascinating how you can backtrack what happened on those 2 fateful nights. I watched Helier Skelter as a kid and remembering how frightened I was, and thought it could happen again. So glad they got caught and never set free. Rest in peace Sharon Tate and friends, as well as the LaBianca's.
Leslie Van Houten was paroled July, 2023. Our lenient legal system first took her off death row, and now she's free. She plunged a knife into Rosemary LaBianca who was only 39 at the time, and has now lived to be 74.
sorry if someone has already mentioned this. I have read that when they went to labianca residence, Manson didnt walk up the labianca drive. Instead he walked up the curved drive off the house next door where he had been before. Then at the top he cut across to the labiancas. Thanks for your fantastic videos though Mister Haggerty !
Yes you are correct...Walking up the driveway was too conspicuous plus Manson knew Harold True, the next door neighbor, and had he been seen there nobody would have thought a thing about it. The killers walked up to Trues house and cut across the lawn. That house was targeted because the LaBiancas had called the cops on a party earlier with Manson and his Girls at the True house.
Manson and Tex used the driveway of the house next door, 3267, to reach the LaBianca's. They hoped the fence. They used to know the guys who lived in 3267 (the "Harold True" house). The car was actually parked in front of that house. That driveway is now gone from 3267.
You look like a ruggedly good-looking actor from a top-notch Western or action movie, or someone who could be in Tarantino's latest movie about Sharon and this time period, Forrest! You are so intelligent and well-spoken, and your kids are so lucky to have you as a teacher, Forrest!
Well done video. Detailed. Loved the camera movements to show the locations. Well done. It’s crazy to know how certain people were just picked at random. Bad luck. Bad timing. Insane. As Manson was!
Interesting fact: Rosemary LaBianca was richer than Abigail Folger because she was a waitress who invested her money wisely. She was a remarkable woman and it kills me to think that her and the rest of these talented, hardworking victims were slain by a bunch of worthless parasites.
I like this channel. Cool how everything is ln Google now. Our big bro is watching us lol. Have they done a video on Zodiac Killer or William Desmond Taylor? I love history
Just a minor correction. Spahn Ranch was in the San Fernando Valley, not the Santa Clarita Valley. The SCV is just north a few miles (as the crow flies) from Chatsworth and the Ranch.
Very well done! Gruesome murders- checked on line and delighted that MANSON is finally dead. That took far too long. It all also sounds like a good reason to make sure 2nd Amendment rights to own and carry are not infringed.
Adrienne my dad was a cop in that area at the time of these murders: the Rampart Police station jurisdiction. The bodies were found on Saturday and Sunday. My dad had that weekend off. His friends went to the scenes. We used to live 3 miles from the LaBianca residence, so I heard a lot about these murders growing up. I also made a video while on my bicycle that goes to Nicole Brown Simpson's and Sharon Tate location.
Adrienne his friend, Jerry DeRosa, the first cop on the scene, told him it was a bloody mess in ways he had never seen before. My dad was a WWII veteran and a 22 year veteran on the police force at that time. I don't know if it would have bothered him. He was pretty tough.
It wouldn't have bothered me. When you try to off yourself, you're not afraid of anything or anyone anymore. No brag, just fact. My boyfriend's father was a WWII veteran too & got a bronze star for it.
I once picked up a hitchhiker once and said his uncle was the owner of Spann ranch?I also knew Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys ( a friend of our family), not that family.
Awesome job! Side note though. I know it makes zero sense, but based on photos of the crime scene and then photos of the house on the market today (I'm comparing wall outlets and vents) the head of the bed was actually up against the sliding glass door. Strange, to say I know. Why wouldn't you want to look out at the those breathtaking views? But that's how the bed is for some reason. There is a crime scene photo of the bed with her little dog on it. The room has floor to ceiling curtains covering the entire walls on the two sides with windows. The curtains rodes are still up to this day. I don't know if they are the same ones, but it's definitely a strange arrangement and I don't know why someone wouldn't have changed it after all these decades. Thanks for filling in a lot of blanks. Raju enjoyed this post. Hope my puzzle piece helps you too.
Great video, the aerial view is a great tool to show the events as they occured. Make no mistake about it, Charlie was a spineless punk and would never kill anyone. When he was telling Linda to pull over by the white car, he knew the light would soon turn green. It was all for show, and they bought it, just like all of his bullshit.
Gotta love good old Charlie: he sends his people to the site and instructs them to commit murder--then leaves the killers stranded! The killers had to hitchhike back to Spahn Ranch. What a guru!
To all of you who nit pick every detail , why don't you go make your own video and see how many' correct ' details you upload . ? I could care less if anyone answered the door , a murder was not committed . Win in my book. Great video Haggerty .
Forrest Haggerty One of the reasons (besides his wanting Linda Kasabian to participate) that Charlie had her go both nights was that she was the only one with a valid driver's license. Linda should have done some things differently on both nights but between what had to be overwhelming fear for both her and her daughter Tonya's lives, she (above anyone else involved) was the right person to make the star witness for the prosecution. That said, once she was reunited with Tonya (she'd been taken to CPS after the raid on Spawn) Linda should have gone to the police.
I have a question regarding Linda Casabian’s story. She has said numerous times that the reason she went that night was because she was the only one with a drivers license. What?? After all the crimes they had already committed and were going to commit that night, they’re worried about a drivers license? If they had have been pulled over that night, they had knives, wire cutters, guns, rope they’re worried about a drivers license?? Doesn’t make sense to me.
It was the house really. Manson had been to a party next door to the Labiancas and apparently the labiancas called the police to complain about the noise....so he held a grudge and thats why they chose that house.
They exited Fair Oaks Ave in Pasadena. The church they stopped at was in South Pasadena. What you describe as a mansion on the hill is also in South Pasadena. It’s not a mansion though
not possible the 210 freeway opened in 1976. the 134 ended in Glendale till it was built later in the early 70's to connect to it. There are many big houses or mansions along the arroyo seco in Pasadena and south Pas. The 118 did not exist along the north end of the valley in '69.
Great video and very informative. I have been big into the case since the mid 70s and have many trips to the locations. The last trip was August 9th, 2009 and drove up to the gate where the new house stands. I was met by security in a dark color SUV, so I backed up and got out. I was under the impression that when they drove to Waverly Dr. they were originally going to the house of Harold True who was the next door neighbor of the LaBiancas.
Greg Rak thank you for watching! My thought was too many details would have made it too long, so I stuck to the route based on what information I found available.
For those of you are into this there is another TH-camr who does an amazing job with these kinds of things too. He lives in LA And actually does vlogs from the locations themselves. Daze of Jordan the Lion
You did a great job!! Maybe I didn't watch it carefully enough, or I'm a bit slow. I am just a little bit curious. I was pretty young at the time this all happened. I lived on Benedict Canyon Drive up more in the hill part. In order to get to that Waverley Drive did they make a right on Celio Drive off of Benedict Canyon Drive? All the kids talk about it afterwards since we all the pretty close to the murders. I have just never seen any details about it before because it hit a little too much close to home. I also thought it was all done at the same house. Because they call it the tate-labianca murders. I am so sorry that my ignorance but I have never delved into this before. Was it done at two houses because where was Sharon Tate murdered? Thank you so much for your time and for putting up with my ignorance on the terrible ordeal. You really did an amazing job with Google Earth and showing us everything I guess I do not have the story right... Thank you again!!
They were done in two, separate locations. The labiancas in their residence, and the rest at the Tate/Polanski residence. There was a social gathering at the Tate/Polanski home, thereby their guests were murdered as well. I don't know if the Manson family knew of this upcoming gathering, and was aware that the other victims would be there, or not. I would have to do some fact checking before I would say fir sure, but to answer your question, yes, these were two separate locations. Tate/Polanski the first night, and Labianca the next.
@@donnajackson2907 Respectfully disagree with the social gathering. Abigail and Voytek were living with Sharon until Polanski returned from Europe. Jay had come over to go to dinner with them. Poor Steve Parent, that kid was just trying to sell a radio to the caretaker.
One word...."WOW"....What an alot of work went into this video. (And all the videos you do) Manson said to do something during your life so you'll be remembered, the world will know you were here or something like that, then he said;" Have a nice day" I'd rather be forgotten about then be remembered for doing the awfull unbelievable crap Manson & buds did. His victims were KILLED, while he got to live on for years & years on the tax payers dime & he died in prison. His victims may they be forever in heaven where no one can ever hurt them again.
The Labianca murder home was my make out location in hs. Not the house itself but that orange wall where he had parked his boat. I never knew about this till a few days ago. Kinda creepy.
I had NO idea they found the wallet in Chevron Gas Station, were I put gas every other morning before heading to work which is not to far. My family and I would eat at that Denny’s every Sunday. Not going to look at that corner the same anymore. Crazy people man.
This man is great. I love your videos you have a wonderful voice. You should be an actor. Do you have any videos of yourself. curious to know what you look like. the great man behind the great voice. I wish I have had you for a guide when I was in California. You must have great looking legs with all that riding you do. Do you wear compression shorts? have a great day. Lawrence NYC
The Labianca home also didn't have a pool either, so that was added some time afterwards. I'm guessing that the patch of trees were planted there as a privacy measure.
Good job! Do have any idea why these wealthy people did not have better home security--an alarm system or guard dogs, etc.? Not casting aspersions on them, just perplexed.
It was the 60s, from what I heard, security alarm systems weren't so popular nor distributed a lot among general population. I may be wrong though, haven't lived in the 60s.
@@Mar.1634 Yes, I've come to the same conclusion. There was a naivete among the Counter Culture as to the evil among them; they took the idea of loving your brother too far.
It was a different era. Majority of celebrities and rich people didn't have security, there simply wasn't a reason for it. Many people didn't lock their doors. These murders changed everything.
marco antonio lofego lobo his name was Terry Melcher and Manson actually knew he didn’t live there any more. Several months before he went to the house looking for Melcher and Tate and her photographer answered the door and told Manson Melcher no longer lived there. The photographer was rude to Manson. The night of the murders Manson told Watson to go to Melcher’s former home and “destroy everyone there”. According to Watson, Manson told him to make it real messy.
Some think the CIA program MK Ultra using LSD experiments played a role, others think that Roman and Voytek were dealing drugs out of the Cielo residence. There's a document floating around describing the FBI's awareness of drugs being shipped by Roman from Europe to the Cielo address. Some think it was Charlie's HS theories, while most will agree that a lifetime criminal conman like Manson simply directed his peeps to act out because Charlie hated being disrespected and never became the recording star Dennis Wilson, Neil Young, and others thought he could be. Charlie wanted revenge, and to show people he wasn't a nobody, kind of like the mass shooters in the modern era. They all know they are losers, and nothing's going to change that, so they act out in a final act or series of acts to show them. When Charlie was arrested at Spahn on Aug. 16th, along with everybody else, he asked why was he was being arrested. He was told car theft, and Charlie laughed. 10 days later, he, Tex, Bruce Davis, and Clem Grogan, dispatched Shorty Shea, thinking he was behind the raid on the 16th. Not too long after, they headed out to Barker for the duration of their soon to be sent to prison forever lives, except for Clem. He was paroled several years later and led authorities to the location of Shorty's remains.
Their racist leader wanted to have blacks and whites out in the streets fighting and killing each other. Blaming each other over something they a lunatic thought up.
Rest in peace Leno and Rosemary LaBianca.
What's really creepy, there is a family out there who were asleep one night, and an extreme nightmare looked through a window into their home. And the family never knew it happened.
You not making sense
@@dreamscott5913 At 1:15 the narrator states Manson and Watson looked through a window of a random house and saw photos children(and family) and decided not to kill children YET. Unbelievable!
1969 the Gap started blue 👖.
With copper rivets.
Theres somebody with evil intentions looking through someones window right now, probably any day every day of the week actually, this f'd up world.
Phenomenal job, man. Thank you for getting it right and for taking the time to do both vids re: Tate/LaBianca.
I ran across your videos yesterday. A book is so much better when it includes a map. Great work! Maybe the Lindbergh kidnapping....? Awesome.
Lkhrobertson yes! An over view really helps put things in perspective for me. I’m researching other stories right now, but Lindbergh sounds very interesting!
Leno and Rosemary were still relatively young people. She was 38 and he was in his 40's. May they rest in peace.
38 isn't "relatively young" it's young. She didn't even reach middle age. ☮
I grew up about 2 miles ( as the crow flies) from the LaBianca house and I was about 7yrs old. I remember the terror and chaos in the aftermath
Dear Forrest Haggerty; Thank you for providing outstanding perspective via Google Earth of two horrific nights of terror, in August of 1969. I was not quite ten years old, living in a small town in Southern Utah. Hearing the news reports of the Tate-Labianca murders terrified me beyond measure. As an adult, I read Vincent Bugliosi's book, "Helter Skelter" on his prosecution and conviction of theses animals. However, your painstaking retracing of the streets, houses, etc. through Google Earth provides an incredible added dimension to the crimes. Thank you for an excellent job. RIP to Sharon Tate and unborn baby, her guests, Steve Parent, and the Labianca's. What a horrible chapter to the closing of a very turbulent decade in American history. Todd Holman, Mesa, AZ.
The book is an excellent read, I read it just a few years ago.
I remember the Tate murders but completely forgot about the Labianca murders. I was just 13 years old at the time. Fascinating you were able to give us such a detailed roadmap of what happened both nights. Sounds like they were high and just joyriding around that crazy night. Sick, sick people. Very interesting, horrifying & fascinating all at the same time. Thank you.
I always wondered why they chose these particular victims. Based on the somewhat difficult locations, they didn't appear to be random, as if they had prior knowledge. Never read any info on that.
Great work, Mr. Haggerty! Just subscribed.
@@saintlanax I think it was. Some people believe in lies that Manson chose those places because he thought the Beach Boys and Terry Melcher lived there. But we will never know.
Komfy Koala Terry Melcher lived there with his girlfriend Candice Bergen aka Murphy Brown. Terry was a record producer that Dennis Wilson of The Beach Boys introduced Manson to in hopes of making it in the music industry. Once Melcher heard Manson’s demo he declined to help him which crushed Manson’s dream of a musical career. Thus that house represented the root of all Manson dream, he didn’t care who lived there
Rosemary probably knew Tex?
@@targetedindividual7931 Didn't she store drigs in the little shop she owned?
@@jlobiafra - yes, music is correct or decline of a music career.
Poor poor people😢 nobody deserves this. Thanks for this video.
Thank you Forrest for a great youtube channel.
I love finding places that I see in documentaries and crime scenes on google maps. I live in Norway but I can pinpoint many obscure locations in the US in minutes from having this hobby.
But now you're doing it for me, for stories I haven't looked up. I'm going to watch all your videos!
Olly thank you and I’m happy I have helped you!
Wow. How masterful you are with that technology. I thoroughly enjoyed that presentation. I would love to see what you could do in plotting the routes of the Zodiac Killer. That would be equally riveting, no doubt.
Awesome work. Really appreciate you doing all these. Can't keep my eyes off your videos.
Mark Anderson thank you Mark! I’m happy you enjoyed them!
I worked with the children of Leno and Rosemary a few years after the murders.
The family was with another family at Bass Lake. The Labianca kids (late teens) stayed an extra day with family friends and came back with them. Had the kids returned with their folks they too might have been victims.
Are you sure it was Bass Lake? I have always read that it was Lake Isabella where they were staying.
@@marianapgar4409 It was Lake Isabella.
@@marylynnkotis7246 Thank you. That sounds right to me.
I just watched once upon a time in Hollywood not to long ago and I saw this in my recommendations, so why the hell not, great video bud
Interesting twists of fate can sometimes be life altering, like the random family with a picture of their kids out, and a stoplight that changed not a second too soon. Another great job by Forrest Haggerty. I assume that whoever lives in the Labianca house now knows of the history (and isn't the least bit superstitious). And Charley, wtf … we have to hitchhike back to the ranch??
didn't want to kill kids? they'd already killed a baby!
Me Meme that's what I was thinking. I guess it was ok the night before.
The dude was an evil twisted monster. He probably said that just for show to his followers
A fetus is not the same as a baby, but it was still beyond vile, of course. They were a bunch of violent, mentally ill people. Charles Manson is one of the best arguments for PRO-CHOICE ever! He was unwanted by his parents, the mom having been a teenager and criminal.
@@lisellesloan3191 that's a poor argument. It's his parents fault for being idiots and getting pregnant in the first place. Abortion shouldn't be a fall back because you made a poor decision and got pregnant. I'm not really pro choice or pro life. I do think there are situations where abortion should be an option. Those situations are few.
@@lisellesloan3191 that sounds like I'm saying you aren't right but the exact opposite. That is a particular situation. You know what's going to happen to a kid in that situation. Why allow the kid to grow up in that environment? It shouldn't have happened. I just meant overall that's a poor argument for pro choice
This was better than the book!!!! With both video's you told the whole story and I learned a few things I never knew before. THANK YOU and SUBSCRIBED!!!!
Quite some commentary, location accuracy from birds eye view and history knowledge. Thanks for the info. Curious if you've done this for other infamous murders? If so ever considered doing one on the Cunanan chain of murders that ended with Gianni Versace ?
I read Helter Skelter as a young teenager...probably should not have. The home invasion aspect of this horror has always stuck with me. This is why my home has an alarm system with motion sensors, and I have a .357 revolver. I wish I had a gun and could go back to 1969. I would have defended the Labiancas and Sharon Tate and her friends. I would have busted more than a few into those hippy freaks. How dare they invade the private property of another. How dare they harm a pregnant woman. How dare they terrorize a whole population.
John Coontas I read it too and never forgot how terrifying it was.
It's weird because humans have done other things far worse than these murders, yet there is something so macabre and subconsciously eerie about them. I slept with by BB-gun by my bed as a teenager after reading the book.BTW...love your channel and your work.
Your comments are telling me a bit more about the tragic story which I remember when I was in Europe. So, there had been a home invasion, not knowing the full story, I wondered if Sharon was acquainted with those monsters. Tragic story!
Same here. I read that book and also never forgot about it. Although I wasn't even born when all this happened, these crimes are part of the reason why I'm paranoid today. That book was very disturbing, not to mention I watched the movie too, which was also a mistake.
@@kristinestaples7607 Agreed, but I also think it serves as a lesson in preparing. Plus, it is weird because there have been people who have done much worse, yet this story really gets to you.
Really informative video, thanks for these uploads. Interesting to see as not everyone is able to visit these places, and the videos provide a quick visual explanation of what took place, well done.
Came across your videos and love them. Your research is spot on and with the help of google earth, I became enraptured! Thank you for this history and traveling back in time! Keep it up!
Wow! Loved the videos so informative. And to have an actual view of the areas in your videos makes so much more intriguing! How about Bonnie and Clyde’s last ride?!
Great work. R.I.P. LaBianca Family
The great irony with the LaBianca killings was that their daughter later became very supportive of Charles “Tex” Watson, and actually forgave him. She even tried to have him paroled, and released. That is so bizarre but true.
R G that was Rosemary’s daughter. Leno’s daughter is still traumatized from the event and wants nothing to do with the whole incident.
Your videos showing & explaining this is the best 1's I've watched so far .
Years later your tale is still really good…nice job sir
I was a young kid in England when this happened. I remember it coming on as a newsflash at the end of a late night film we were watching on TV- it was school holidays so I was allowed to stay up late. They didn't know who had done it then we just got the horror of this multiple murder.
I went to bed and I was terrified so to calm myself I thought -" These murders took place in L.A. - I'm in Manchester UK thousands of miles away. They would never come here in a million years" Several years later I discovered that the most violent of the Manson family"Tex" Watson, had in fact lived in Manchester's student district for a time on a visit to the UK. He enjoyed having his tea in Lewis's Restaurant. That's where my family used to go in those days. I felt a cold chill go down my spine when I read this.
I’m so sorry you had to discover that horrible murderer was once in your town. I wasn’t alive yet, but the murders Manson’s minions committed were appalling. Recently, Patricia Krenwinkle was granted parole, however, it was overturned by California’s governor. They were sentenced to death originally, so staying in prison until their death is the proper sentence.
I thought Charlie had been to the house next door to the LaBianca"s...His name was Howard True...Good video Forrest..very accurate, Thank you.
Fascinating how you can backtrack what happened on those 2 fateful nights. I watched Helier Skelter as a kid and remembering how frightened I was, and thought it could happen again. So glad they got caught and never set free. Rest in peace Sharon Tate and friends, as well as the LaBianca's.
Leslie Van Houten was paroled July, 2023. Our lenient legal system first took her off death row, and now she's free. She plunged a knife into Rosemary LaBianca who was only 39 at the time, and has now lived to be 74.
sorry if someone has already mentioned this. I have read that when they went to labianca residence, Manson didnt walk up the labianca drive. Instead he walked up the curved drive off the house next door where he had been before. Then at the top he cut across to the labiancas. Thanks for your fantastic videos though Mister Haggerty !
Yes you are correct...Walking up the driveway was too conspicuous plus Manson knew Harold True, the next door neighbor, and had he been seen there nobody would have thought a thing about it. The killers walked up to Trues house and cut across the lawn. That house was targeted because the LaBiancas had called the cops on a party earlier with Manson and his Girls at the True house.
Thank you for showing us and taking us to where these heinous acts were committed.
This is the first ever non-confusing timeline of events. Thank you!
Thank you for your fabulous research, Mr. Haggerty. It's so accurate.
Love your vids. I found your channel about a week ago and I've watched most of them. Keep them coming.
Manson and Tex used the driveway of the house next door, 3267, to reach the LaBianca's. They hoped the fence. They used to know the guys who lived in 3267 (the "Harold True" house). The car was actually parked in front of that house. That driveway is now gone from 3267.
You look like a ruggedly good-looking actor from a top-notch Western or action movie, or someone who could be in Tarantino's latest movie about Sharon and this time period, Forrest! You are so intelligent and well-spoken, and your kids are so lucky to have you as a teacher, Forrest!
Well done video. Detailed. Loved the camera movements to show the locations. Well done. It’s crazy to know how certain people were just picked at random. Bad luck. Bad timing. Insane. As Manson was!
LOL they WERE NOT PICKED AT RANDOM!!!!
Never knew the property was so massive. Great interesting video.
Interesting fact: Rosemary LaBianca was richer than Abigail Folger because she was a waitress who invested her money wisely. She was a remarkable woman and it kills me to think that her and the rest of these talented, hardworking victims were slain by a bunch of worthless parasites.
you must be talking about the boomer generation!
I agreed so so awfull !!!
Ironic that Manson's order not to kill kids (yet) had already been violated the night before, since it was probably obvious Tate was pregnant.
Thanks for this. 10:25. I drove past here many times heading to cemeteries to vid - never knew!
I really enjoy the hard work and details Forrest that you have provided. Great videos.👍💥
This is the first I have ever heard about the house they stopped at to clean up, or the white sports car incident. Thanks for the tour.
I like this channel. Cool how everything is ln Google now. Our big bro is watching us lol. Have they done a video on Zodiac Killer or William Desmond Taylor? I love history
Zodiac Killer was my Uncle.
@@MrParkerman6 plot twist
This horror was carefully described by one of the perpetrators, "Tex" Watson when he wrote, "Would you die for me?"
Just a minor correction. Spahn Ranch was in the San Fernando Valley, not the Santa Clarita Valley. The SCV is just north a few miles (as the crow flies) from Chatsworth and the Ranch.
Chatsworth is San Fernando Valley, not Santa Clarita Valley.
Thanks, I was wondering if anyone else caught that.
I noticed it, but thanks for pointing it out.
Yep. I used to live there as a kid. We never said we lived in Santa Clarita Valley. We always called it San Fernando Valley.
Very well done! Gruesome murders- checked on line and delighted that MANSON is finally dead. That took far too long. It all also sounds like a good reason to make sure 2nd Amendment rights to own and carry are not infringed.
Someone did their homework. Thank you!
Adrienne my dad was a cop in that area at the time of these murders: the Rampart Police station jurisdiction. The bodies were found on Saturday and Sunday. My dad had that weekend off. His friends went to the scenes. We used to live 3 miles from the LaBianca residence, so I heard a lot about these murders growing up. I also made a video while on my bicycle that goes to Nicole Brown Simpson's and Sharon Tate location.
WOW! You're dad was lucky not to have been witness to that heinous crime scene.
Adrienne his friend, Jerry DeRosa, the first cop on the scene, told him it was a bloody mess in ways he had never seen before. My dad was a WWII veteran and a 22 year veteran on the police force at that time. I don't know if it would have bothered him. He was pretty tough.
It wouldn't have bothered me. When you try to off yourself, you're not afraid of anything or anyone anymore. No brag, just fact. My boyfriend's father was a WWII veteran too & got a bronze star for it.
look at this genius in here. if your so smart how about you make your own video about these killings, go on ill give you a couple months.
Well made and very informative, thank you for making this.
I once picked up a hitchhiker once and said his uncle was the owner of Spann ranch?I also knew Dennis Wilson of the Beach Boys ( a friend of our family), not that family.
Dennis Wilson died in the ocean. I think he killed himself because he was guilt ridden about knowing Manson and his followers.
Forrest I have watched your video's with great interest, absolute brilliant keep them coming .. viewer from England .
I have been to this gas station, I live in Lancaster and I use the 5 north a lot, creepy.
Labicanca where murdered on the 10 of August 1969 Tate murders where 9 August 1969
Awesome job! Side note though. I know it makes zero sense, but based on photos of the crime scene and then photos of the house on the market today (I'm comparing wall outlets and vents) the head of the bed was actually up against the sliding glass door. Strange, to say I know. Why wouldn't you want to look out at the those breathtaking views? But that's how the bed is for some reason. There is a crime scene photo of the bed with her little dog on it. The room has floor to ceiling curtains covering the entire walls on the two sides with windows. The curtains rodes are still up to this day. I don't know if they are the same ones, but it's definitely a strange arrangement and I don't know why someone wouldn't have changed it after all these decades. Thanks for filling in a lot of blanks. Raju enjoyed this post. Hope my puzzle piece helps you too.
wonder who picked up Tex and the girls and gave them a ride...............
And what went through their mind when they realized who they'd picked up.
I must reread Helter Sjelter. I read way back when it came out. This is so creepy. Great video.
Great video, the aerial view is a great tool to show the events as they occured. Make no mistake about it, Charlie was a spineless punk and would never kill anyone. When he was telling Linda to pull over by the white car, he knew the light would soon turn green. It was all for show, and they bought it, just like all of his bullshit.
Gotta love good old Charlie: he sends his people to the site and instructs them to commit murder--then leaves the killers stranded! The killers had to hitchhike back to Spahn Ranch. What a guru!
I live in Lancaster and have visited both the gas station a and Denny's, scary and creepy
Your channel should and I am sure it will have way more subs. I stumbled across it and love it.
k re thank you and I’m happy you enjoy it.
Brilliant video, very well researched
Stephen Cooper I’m happy you enjoyed it!
Another informative video. I read that an owner of the Waverly Drive added the trees and garage area because too many gawkers were visiting the home.
I was born August 9th 1969. I was born at Orange County Medical Center the same day the Haunted Mansion opened in Anaheim.
awesome videos sir . I don't think the rowena reservoir was there in 69 I lived near there the silver lake reservoir was tho
To all of you who nit pick every detail , why don't you go make your own video and see how many' correct ' details you upload . ? I could care less if anyone answered the door , a murder was not committed . Win in my book.
Great video Haggerty .
I agree with you. Fantastic jobs done on EVERY video he makes !
Do u know the distance between Spahn Ranch and Sharon Tate's home?
Debi Lee Mauterstock hello! Yes, it’s about 24 miles.
I think it's about 25 miles . It took them an hour's drive to get there.
Forrest Haggerty One of the reasons (besides his wanting Linda Kasabian to participate) that Charlie had her go both nights was that she was the only one with a valid driver's license. Linda should have done some things differently on both nights but between what had to be overwhelming fear for both her and her daughter Tonya's lives, she (above anyone else involved) was the right person to make the star witness for the prosecution.
That said, once she was reunited with Tonya (she'd been taken to CPS after the raid on Spawn) Linda should have gone to the police.
@@drewb007
I want to know WHO had the car keys the night of the Tate murders 🔴
I have a question regarding Linda Casabian’s story. She has said numerous times that the reason she went that night was because she was the only one with a drivers license. What?? After all the crimes they had already committed and were going to commit that night, they’re worried about a drivers license? If they had have been pulled over that night, they had knives, wire cutters, guns, rope they’re worried about a drivers license?? Doesn’t make sense to me.
Richt !!!
That's crazy. I've never heard about the billfold in the toilet, the milkshakes or the second killing that didn't happen.
Neither did I! Manson really hated Black people to want to see if the murders could be pinned on them.
your channel is amazing
Why doesn't anyone ever mention what was next door to the LaBianco house? I couldn't believe that!
What was the twisted reason the LaBianca family was targeted?
It was the house really. Manson had been to a party next door to the Labiancas and apparently the labiancas called the police to complain about the noise....so he held a grudge and thats why they chose that house.
They ended up there because it was next to the home of Harold True.
@Over Under Sideways Down all this happened because the musician... guy didn't help Charles Manson become a musician
your without a doubt one of my fav youtubers
They exited Fair Oaks Ave in Pasadena. The church they stopped at was in South Pasadena. What you describe as a mansion on the hill is also in South Pasadena. It’s not a mansion though
CieloDrivecom thank you!
not possible the 210 freeway opened in 1976. the 134 ended in Glendale till it was built later in the early 70's to connect to it. There are many big houses or mansions along the arroyo seco in Pasadena and south Pas. The 118 did not exist along the north end of the valley in '69.
two people who didn't know they were about to be murdered. .. but lived
an Angel was watching over them...
What do you mean, lived? . .they were both killed
We’re about a month away from the 50th Anniversary
don't remind me i feel old
One little hippy girl was praying and defying, undermining Manson's desire for murderous mayhem that night. She saved lives.
Great video and very informative. I have been big into the case since the mid 70s and have many trips to the locations. The last trip was August 9th, 2009 and drove up to the gate where the new house stands. I was met by security in a dark color SUV, so I backed up and got out. I was under the impression that when they drove to Waverly Dr. they were originally going to the house of Harold True who was the next door neighbor of the LaBiancas.
informative, thanks for the upload, I understand your purpose was to "document" the actual "murder route," you omitted many crime details.
Greg Rak thank you for watching! My thought was too many details would have made it too long, so I stuck to the route based on what information I found available.
For those of you are into this there is another TH-camr who does an amazing job with these kinds of things too. He lives in LA And actually does vlogs from the locations themselves. Daze of Jordan the Lion
like Adam the Woo?
Another very informative video Forrest!
50 years ago today..Sad day!
You shared fantastic information I’ve never heard
You did a great job!! Maybe I didn't watch it carefully enough, or I'm a bit slow. I am just a little bit curious. I was pretty young at the time this all happened. I lived on Benedict Canyon Drive up more in the hill part. In order to get to that Waverley Drive did they make a right on Celio Drive off of Benedict Canyon Drive? All the kids talk about it afterwards since we all the pretty close to the murders. I have just never seen any details about it before because it hit a little too much close to home. I also thought it was all done at the same house. Because they call it the tate-labianca murders. I am so sorry that my ignorance but I have never delved into this before. Was it done at two houses because where was Sharon Tate murdered? Thank you so much for your time and for putting up with my ignorance on the terrible ordeal. You really did an amazing job with Google Earth and showing us everything I guess I do not have the story right... Thank you again!!
They were done in two, separate locations. The labiancas in their residence, and the rest at the Tate/Polanski residence. There was a social gathering at the Tate/Polanski home, thereby their guests were murdered as well. I don't know if the Manson family knew of this upcoming gathering, and was aware that the other victims would be there, or not. I would have to do some fact checking before I would say fir sure, but to answer your question, yes, these were two separate locations. Tate/Polanski the first night, and Labianca the next.
@@donnajackson2907 Respectfully disagree with the social gathering. Abigail and Voytek were living with Sharon until Polanski returned from Europe. Jay had come over to go to dinner with them. Poor Steve Parent, that kid was just trying to sell a radio to the caretaker.
Excellent . Thank you.
One word...."WOW"....What an alot of work went into this video.
(And all the videos you do)
Manson said to do something during your life so you'll be remembered, the world will know you were here or something like that, then he said;" Have a nice day"
I'd rather be forgotten about then be remembered for doing the awfull unbelievable crap Manson & buds did. His victims were KILLED, while he got to live on for years & years on the tax payers dime & he died in prison.
His victims may they be forever in heaven where no one can ever hurt them again.
The Labianca murder home was my make out location in hs. Not the house itself but that orange wall where he had parked his boat. I never knew about this till a few days ago. Kinda creepy.
I had NO idea they found the wallet in Chevron Gas Station, were I put gas every other morning before heading to work which is not to far. My family and I would eat at that Denny’s every Sunday. Not going to look at that corner the same anymore. Crazy people man.
Michelle Fuertes very interesting. Thank You for sharing!
This man is great. I love your videos you have a wonderful voice. You should be an actor. Do you have any videos of yourself. curious to know what you look like. the great man behind the great voice. I wish I have had you for a guide when I was in California. You must have great looking legs with all that riding you do. Do you wear compression shorts? have a great day. Lawrence NYC
The Labianca home also didn't have a pool either, so that was added some time afterwards. I'm guessing that the patch of trees were planted there as a privacy measure.
Never could understand why the Bianca's did not lock their doors at night at least.
Back then people didnt lock their doors nearly as much as they do today.
Good job! Do have any idea why these wealthy people did not have better home security--an alarm system or guard dogs, etc.? Not casting aspersions on them, just perplexed.
It was the 60s, from what I heard, security alarm systems weren't so popular nor distributed a lot among general population. I may be wrong though, haven't lived in the 60s.
@@Mar.1634 Yes, I've come to the same conclusion. There was a naivete among the Counter Culture as to the evil among them; they took the idea of loving your brother too far.
It was a different era. Majority of celebrities and rich people didn't have security, there simply wasn't a reason for it. Many people didn't lock their doors. These murders changed everything.
That type of security was not readily available in that time.
@@richardbosworth6635 There were burglar alarms back then, etc.
Thanks for your video. Kuddos for providing an entertaining presentation.
Saladin was very lucky!!! I love the Van Gogh on the apartment.
I heard that Manson knew the former tenant of the house that Roman rented and Manson wanted to kill that guy but didn't know that he had moved.
marco antonio lofego lobo his name was Terry Melcher and Manson actually knew he didn’t live there any more. Several months before he went to the house looking for Melcher and Tate and her photographer answered the door and told Manson Melcher no longer lived there. The photographer was rude to Manson. The night of the murders Manson told Watson to go to Melcher’s former home and “destroy everyone there”. According to Watson, Manson told him to make it real messy.
IM sure reading somewhere that manson walked up the neighbours drive and cut across entering the side door?
WHAT WERE THEIR REASONS FOR COMMITTING ALL THESE MURDERS???
Some think the CIA program MK Ultra using LSD experiments played a role, others think that Roman and Voytek were dealing drugs out of the Cielo residence. There's a document floating around describing the FBI's awareness of drugs being shipped by Roman from Europe to the Cielo address. Some think it was Charlie's HS theories, while most will agree that a lifetime criminal conman like Manson simply directed his peeps to act out because Charlie hated being disrespected and never became the recording star Dennis Wilson, Neil Young, and others thought he could be. Charlie wanted revenge, and to show people he wasn't a nobody, kind of like the mass shooters in the modern era. They all know they are losers, and nothing's going to change that, so they act out in a final act or series of acts to show them. When Charlie was arrested at Spahn on Aug. 16th, along with everybody else, he asked why was he was being arrested. He was told car theft, and Charlie laughed. 10 days later, he, Tex, Bruce Davis, and Clem Grogan, dispatched Shorty Shea, thinking he was behind the raid on the 16th. Not too long after, they headed out to Barker for the duration of their soon to be sent to prison forever lives, except for Clem. He was paroled several years later and led authorities to the location of Shorty's remains.
Their racist leader wanted to have blacks and whites out in the streets fighting and killing each other. Blaming each other over something they a lunatic thought up.
They wanted to create a race war..
My friend great 👍🏼 video, know I now we’re take place this horrible crime
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