On a side note..Thank you to DotaCinema for making these Hero Spotlights. I am just starting to play Dota and have no one to teach me so these guides are so helpful. It can be overwhelming coming into an established game like this and trying to learn what the other players already know and take for granted. This series/Playlist has made a huge difference to me. So, Thank you for putting in the Effort. Means alot to us that are new to DOTA 2
Should have mentioned that Kunkka's ult does not appear where you click, it appears 1000 unit *behind* Kunkka and will travel 2000 directions in the line between Kunkka and the targeted location. This means that you can actually over shoot the ship, if you click too close to yourself. Best way to ensure that the ship hits the area you want, is to have Kunkka cast the spell outside his range. This means Kunkka will walk towards the spot and once he is in range which is 1000 units, he will cast the spell. Since the ship will appear 1000 unit behind him and travel 2000 units, the ship will hit exactly where targeted. One of the best ways to use the ship is actually from the jungle, hide behind the trees and cast the spell once the enemy is concentrated. The ship will pass through the forest, hitting the enemy with very little warning time, as opposed to enemy first seeing you cast it, hearing the sound and seeing the ship approach. With this trick, they will first hear the sound, but not see Kunkka... and then the ship is already on top of them, because the trees blocked their vision to it.
Nice dude i love when people talk with that passion about dota :) i play this game like 8-9 years and when i see this video that dude telling us that kunkka is tank ? no he is not ...he is one hell of a carry if you know how to play with him ... and that ult ...he is just perfect :)
I'm a LoL player and its the first Moba I've ever played. This game looks awesome and since Gangplank is my favorite champ in LoL this guy will definitely be my favorite in Dota2. His kit sounds awesome.
You are absolutely right, although I think one could argue their ult's are the similar because it's sort of an execution move on both parts, then you could say their spin thing is somewhat similar (although Darius's is on command instead of chance) and you could say the taunt thing can be used the same way as Darius's pull, to pull people closer to you and then there's the poison aspect in both characters.
These new hero intros are sooooo much better than the originals, better speaker, clearer explanations, production values, everything. You should remake those original ones if have a chance.
Note that all heroes that are in DotA by year 2008, have been made before LoL. Kunkka and Clock are ones made before LoL or added later to LoL. LoL is DotA just made by Guinsoo, while DotA 2 is made by current dota maker, Icefrog.
hes a good carry! because of his tidebringer. build daedalus and if critical and your second skill will strike at the same hit its gonna be a great damage. trust me, i experienced.
Sven: I'm tired.... Clockwerk: OK, ill take your spot this time.' Sven: Thank... Kunkka: Ok, now who shall I teabag? Clockwerk: ...fuck my armor will rust...
One of the best remakes so far with absolutely beatiful spell effects. I have to admit though that I still prefer gladi over him, well would have until they fubared gladi's voice set. :D
no, they are not exactly the same, but its still very clear the inspiration for caitlyn came from sniper, and riot did that with a lot of champions. But still, you'll get it with this genre, shooters also have look-a-like guns.
I could just imagine Kunkka riding his boat,wearing sunglasses and singing the song "I'm on a boat" by the lonelyisland as he just hits all the enemy heroes.
@aaronz101 DotA was a custom map for Warcraft III Frozen Throne, maintained by map makers but made more famous and polished by IceFrog. SINCE 2005. HoN was released May 12, 2010. Yeah, DotA 2 is quite the clone huh?
@JacobBiaggi Because HoN is heavily inspired by the DotA, and so the S2 crew plan to build a Dota-style game, Said by the developer of DotA, IceFrog : "They contacted me a few years ago to ask if I had any objections to them doing a game heavily based on DotA, which I didn't. I don't really mind all these new games (6 total now I think), competition is a good thing in the long run. I will still work hard to develop and improve DotA on WC3 for everyone that is still interested in it." 16-06--2009
@ruscour023 dude, HoN ported Kunkka and called him gladiator... Just like they ported Spectre and called her Sand Wraith. Most of the HoN heroes are ports of DotA heroes (Pebbles is Tiny, Pyromancer is Lina, Slither is Venomancer, Magebane is Anit-mage, etc. all DotaA ports). The heroes in DotA 2 are heroes from DotA. As much as I like HoN, it's called a "DotA clone" for a reason.
@piroman90zonki What he means that the ship provide buff to nearby allies which increase move speed by 10% and they take half damage for 7 seconds. After 7 seconds the remaining damage will be received, but it wont kill them.
@DotaCinema Now i can't wait for it :) . Could you tell me how dramatic of a change it was on the Vengeful Spirit. I'm interested in this stuff because i follow the development Valve is going through, it shows me in a way how the full game will look like. Thanks for responding so quickly. Cheers !
@BiollanteSpawn No, spikes don't do that. A geyser would. As for their ultimates, it makes no sense to summon a chariot, just to have it disappear and summon more spikes. Kunkka is consistent.
It's funny because Dota sort of popularized this genre of gaming. I mean, HoN or LoL weren't around when Dota was because Dota was originally a custom map based on the Aeon of Strife from Starcraft. It was played on a game that came out in 2002. HoN and LoL, bearing the same concept and gameplay, came out in 2010 and 2009 respectively, so people need to learn their place lol.
@Xemptuous I never said HoN was bad, I was just annoyed that the guy thought valve stole the idea of Kunkka FROM HoN. I was just pointing out that Gladiator was not an original hero that HoN made, but rather a port of Kunkka. Read everything I said and don't just tell me I said things like "HoN is bad"
Yes, Kunkka was named after an artist that contributed loading screens to maps. Another hero named after someone is Tinker who was named Boush after a beta tester.
Honestly I wouldn't really go that far. They both seem to have very different skills and where as Gangplank is a Pirate Kunkka is an Admiral. The idea behind GP may well have been inspired by Kunkka, but they are very very different characters.
@rumputgoyang Just because you can deny your own creeps does not automatically make this game more challenging. In fact, LoL's pirate used to be able to deny creeps as well. It really comes down to denying farm and experience gain, though. I don't know what creep pulling is but LoL has something called leashing, which I assume is somewhat similar.
I not completely right with saying Wolfenstein was the first, but sorry to you too cause Golden eye was not the first either. Wolfentein was actually made eariler than Golden eye. The earliest FPS is Maze War and Spasim, but it was Wolfentein who was most credited with inventing the first-person shooter genre proper. Long Text Short. I'm still right sorry.
Coz they both have swords :F Axe and Darius both have KSing ulti but that doesn't make them similar... Also I see a small similarity between Sand King and Skarner (overall look), Gyrocopter and Corki (same here), Tiny and Malphite (both golems + AoE stun) and Spectre and Nocturne (similar skillshot and ulti)
Admiral 1st ability 'Torrent' = Nautilus Ult (LoL) Admiral 2nd ability 'Tidebringer' = Tiamat (item LoL) Admiral 3rd ability 'X marks the Spot' = nothing from LoL Admiral Ult = Hecarim Ult (LoL) Just showing the relationships... Both games are awesome and shouldn't be fighting against each other... Like if you agree :)
Well that's really a moot point considering all infinity ward, treyarch and DICE have done is make the same game over and over again for the last 5 years.
Hey SUNS, I really like your spotlights. Not that the other guys were bad, it just feels like you go into a bit better detail on them. Will you be redoing some of the other ones?
No it is not, it is very good in the begining, but later on, when other players level up, Ghost Ship only gets longer range or flew bye through the enemies. Maybe they can upgrade it?
Everything started from the Aeon of Strife map from Starcraft, so none of these games win. But the original Dota has the distinction of being under Blizzard, because the Warcraft series is also in the same company as Starcraft. So it has dibs.
@YumiYumY I cant agree with you. HoN is straight copy of DotA, but LoL is kinda different. It bases on idea, but champs are significantly different and gamestyle varies in a lot of things (like AP, unsimilar items, innate, summoners etc). Also LoL's graphic doesn't look like DotA, while HoN's does. Actually I play both LoL and DotA, and feel them as totally different. So, no. It's not a clone. Btw. I wish I could play DotA 2 already...
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On a side note..Thank you to DotaCinema for making these Hero Spotlights. I am just starting to play Dota and have no one to teach me so these guides are so helpful. It can be overwhelming coming into an established game like this and trying to learn what the other players already know and take for granted. This series/Playlist has made a huge difference to me. So, Thank you for putting in the Effort. Means alot to us that are new to DOTA 2
same here man....i played my first game today and....ahm...ahm.......11 deaths and 1 kill lol....because enemy team had all ranged heros
Should have mentioned that Kunkka's ult does not appear where you click, it appears 1000 unit *behind* Kunkka and will travel 2000 directions in the line between Kunkka and the targeted location. This means that you can actually over shoot the ship, if you click too close to yourself.
Best way to ensure that the ship hits the area you want, is to have Kunkka cast the spell outside his range. This means Kunkka will walk towards the spot and once he is in range which is 1000 units, he will cast the spell. Since the ship will appear 1000 unit behind him and travel 2000 units, the ship will hit exactly where targeted.
One of the best ways to use the ship is actually from the jungle, hide behind the trees and cast the spell once the enemy is concentrated. The ship will pass through the forest, hitting the enemy with very little warning time, as opposed to enemy first seeing you cast it, hearing the sound and seeing the ship approach. With this trick, they will first hear the sound, but not see Kunkka... and then the ship is already on top of them, because the trees blocked their vision to it.
Nice dude i love when people talk with that passion about dota :) i play this game like 8-9 years and when i see this video that dude telling us that kunkka is tank ? no he is not ...he is one hell of a carry if you know how to play with him ... and that ult ...he is just perfect :)
Yea right because I play dota since WC 3 and you think that Dota was create by Valve.... and right you makes me cringe :D
Ok Donkey
***** You're the one acting like a five year old...
***** Someone let you out of your cage it seems.
Well, back to /b/ with you.
I'm a LoL player and its the first Moba I've ever played. This game looks awesome and since Gangplank is my favorite champ in LoL this guy will definitely be my favorite in Dota2. His kit sounds awesome.
how the progress so far bud ?
@@HanstheBoss1 he died for the goyim
You are absolutely right, although I think one could argue their ult's are the similar because it's sort of an execution move on both parts, then you could say their spin thing is somewhat similar (although Darius's is on command instead of chance) and you could say the taunt thing can be used the same way as Darius's pull, to pull people closer to you and then there's the poison aspect in both characters.
HOLY SHIT HIS ANIMATIONS ARE SO AWESOME
It's fun seeing how the same skillset fits a gladiator theme just as well as a sea captain theme.
These new hero intros are sooooo much better than the originals, better speaker, clearer explanations, production values, everything. You should remake those original ones if have a chance.
i just noticed the knock up effect.....such nice animation
Note that all heroes that are in DotA by year 2008, have been made before LoL.
Kunkka and Clock are ones made before LoL or added later to LoL.
LoL is DotA just made by Guinsoo, while DotA 2 is made by current dota maker, Icefrog.
my favourite hero dude.. i own with him every single damn time
Not all of them. Some of them seem to have been inspired, but as time passes, champions from the three games become more and more diverse.
hes a good carry! because of his tidebringer. build daedalus and if critical and your second skill will strike at the same hit its gonna be a great damage. trust me, i experienced.
sniper - caitlyn, they both have a sniping ultimate, extreme range, and a headshot mechanism.
kunkka looks like my great great grandpa, R.I.P pops
nothing better than a tidebringer + daedalus crit combo
Sven: I'm tired....
Clockwerk: OK, ill take your spot this time.'
Sven: Thank...
Kunkka: Ok, now who shall I teabag?
Clockwerk: ...fuck my armor will rust...
One of the best remakes so far with absolutely beatiful spell effects. I have to admit though that I still prefer gladi over him, well would have until they fubared gladi's voice set. :D
no man, kunkaa from dota is in hon not the other way around
no, they are not exactly the same, but its still very clear the inspiration for caitlyn came from sniper, and riot did that with a lot of champions. But still, you'll get it with this genre, shooters also have look-a-like guns.
I could just imagine Kunkka riding his boat,wearing sunglasses and singing the song "I'm on a boat" by the lonelyisland as he just hits all the enemy heroes.
this is probably the coolest hero ive seen so far
x marks the spot is the MOST OP MOVE IN THE GAME, its better than his ult by a long shot
not exactly a hardcarry, but in my opinion, one of the best teamfight carries
@aaronz101 DotA was a custom map for Warcraft III Frozen Throne, maintained by map makers but made more famous and polished by IceFrog. SINCE 2005.
HoN was released May 12, 2010.
Yeah, DotA 2 is quite the clone huh?
@DotaCinema i read that they changed the vengeful spirits model. You could do that hero and also at the same time show us what's changed.
@JacobBiaggi Because HoN is heavily inspired by the DotA, and so the S2 crew plan to build a Dota-style game, Said by the developer of DotA, IceFrog : "They contacted me a few years ago to ask if I had any objections to them doing a game heavily based on DotA, which I didn't. I don't really mind all these new games (6 total now I think), competition is a good thing in the long run. I will still work hard to develop and improve DotA on WC3 for everyone that is still interested in it." 16-06--2009
@ruscour023 dude, HoN ported Kunkka and called him gladiator... Just like they ported Spectre and called her Sand Wraith. Most of the HoN heroes are ports of DotA heroes (Pebbles is Tiny, Pyromancer is Lina, Slither is Venomancer, Magebane is Anit-mage, etc. all DotaA ports). The heroes in DotA 2 are heroes from DotA.
As much as I like HoN, it's called a "DotA clone" for a reason.
@piroman90zonki
What he means that the ship provide buff to nearby allies which increase move speed by 10% and they take half damage for 7 seconds. After 7 seconds the remaining damage will be received, but it wont kill them.
Just a tip, use white text for the spell names. We can barely read the black text. Good videos. Hoping to see one of each hero.
@DotaCinema Now i can't wait for it :) . Could you tell me how dramatic of a change it was on the Vengeful Spirit. I'm interested in this stuff because i follow the development Valve is going through, it shows me in a way how the full game will look like. Thanks for responding so quickly. Cheers !
I forgot to mention Harbinger (Outworld Destroyer) who was also an active beta tester.
@BiollanteSpawn No, spikes don't do that. A geyser would. As for their ultimates, it makes no sense to summon a chariot, just to have it disappear and summon more spikes. Kunkka is consistent.
Good for you! then don't argue whether it's a copy or inspiration. Just enjoy the games.
Ah kunkka's X mark the spot skill such a troll skill on for either the enemy or teammates
My favorite hero
@Alucard96485 thank god theres someone who actually understands LoL fans and DotA fans and not trolling around which game is better
and sarcasm is a new word for you
captain crunch
TFT Set 9.5 Gangplank was here.
Every hero i have found so far within Dota 2 has the same abillites and stuff as in those in HoN.
@JustABSide I meant the way it was presented. I like the gladiator idea better. the whip made sense more sense.
It's funny because Dota sort of popularized this genre of gaming. I mean, HoN or LoL weren't around when Dota was because Dota was originally a custom map based on the Aeon of Strife from Starcraft. It was played on a game that came out in 2002. HoN and LoL, bearing the same concept and gameplay, came out in 2010 and 2009 respectively, so people need to learn their place lol.
YEAH BOUT TIME, KUNKKA!
THE X SPOT SKILL IS THE COOLEST SKILL EVER. BEST REWORK EVER
@666AghY HoN Was supposed to be the new dota. And they did a good job. No one copied they just expanded upon the idea.
@Xemptuous I never said HoN was bad, I was just annoyed that the guy thought valve stole the idea of Kunkka FROM HoN. I was just pointing out that Gladiator was not an original hero that HoN made, but rather a port of Kunkka. Read everything I said and don't just tell me I said things like "HoN is bad"
Yes, Kunkka was named after an artist that contributed loading screens to maps. Another hero named after someone is Tinker who was named Boush after a beta tester.
Now I see where Ao Kuang from Smite came from.
Fifteen men on the dead man's chest-
...Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!
Drink and the devil had done for the rest-
...Yo-ho-ho, and a bottle of rum!
Captain Coco's run for Christmas!!
i was thinking of gp from lol right away but when i saw his abilities i knew that he was a lot different
Honestly I wouldn't really go that far. They both seem to have very different skills and where as Gangplank is a Pirate Kunkka is an Admiral. The idea behind GP may well have been inspired by Kunkka, but they are very very different characters.
@MachsiMir now u know where he originally comes from, congratulation
i love you dude, there is no better way to say that
@rumputgoyang Just because you can deny your own creeps does not automatically make this game more challenging. In fact, LoL's pirate used to be able to deny creeps as well. It really comes down to denying farm and experience gain, though. I don't know what creep pulling is but LoL has something called leashing, which I assume is somewhat similar.
I not completely right with saying Wolfenstein was the first, but sorry to you too cause Golden eye was not the first either. Wolfentein was actually made eariler than Golden eye. The earliest FPS is Maze War and Spasim, but it was Wolfentein who was most credited with inventing the first-person shooter genre proper.
Long Text Short. I'm still right sorry.
Coz they both have swords :F
Axe and Darius both have KSing ulti but that doesn't make them similar...
Also I see a small similarity between Sand King and Skarner (overall look), Gyrocopter and Corki (same here), Tiny and Malphite (both golems + AoE stun) and Spectre and Nocturne (similar skillshot and ulti)
@DotaCinema ty very much :)
LOL @ The Ending , LOVE YOU
SINGLE COLUMN, SINGLE COLUMN
Admiral 1st ability 'Torrent' = Nautilus Ult (LoL)
Admiral 2nd ability 'Tidebringer' = Tiamat (item LoL)
Admiral 3rd ability 'X marks the Spot' = nothing from LoL
Admiral Ult = Hecarim Ult (LoL)
Just showing the relationships... Both games are awesome and shouldn't be fighting against each other... Like if you agree :)
you guys should make a short video about history of war between kunkka and tidehunter XD
@MTGNoobma What u wrote is gladiator from hon is in dota, that was an affirmation .
Though Kunkka may be a Pirate but just takes an Admiral title, he definitely looks more regal like he'd be in a middle ages navy or something.
Well that's really a moot point considering all infinity ward, treyarch and DICE have done is make the same game over and over again for the last 5 years.
I carried out, that in dota 2 quelling blade works properly with tidebringer
yes, thank you for being half-sure
Hey SUNS, I really like your spotlights. Not that the other guys were bad, it just feels like you go into a bit better detail on them. Will you be redoing some of the other ones?
No it is not, it is very good in the begining, but later on, when other players level up, Ghost Ship only gets longer range or flew bye through the enemies. Maybe they can upgrade it?
Gangplank: who are you?
Kunkka: IM YOUR DAD!
gangplank: NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!
You really should have mentioned the Torrent/X Mark the spot + Ghost ship combo even though your releasing guides later.
Regardless, GJ.
Do what you want because a pirate is free!
YOU ARE A PIRATE
Kunkka is the Proud of this game
EH GLEN COCO, RUM FOR YOU GLEN COCO
Tidebringer: Summons Tidehunter.
Oh. I just went to the DotA page and counted up the heroes. Point being, not all of the champions are copies.
Step lively now, your Admiral is on board!
It would be awesome if you played Pirates of the Caribbean music to this preview.
1:07 did anyone else expect him to say escaping there instead of chasing?
Ghost ship looks insane!
any allies hit by the crash will be doused by Captain Coco's Rum. I did not make that up. lol
Yay gladiator from HoN is in Dota 2.
I think Kunkka's ult is cooler than Gladiators :O I wish HoN made a Kunkka skin.
"Now that was a fail boat!"
its main purpose is to reduce the damage dealt to your team...
@DotaCinema one of the hardest (kunkka) and one of the easiest (bloodseeker) on the same patch? :) epic.
the reduction is the most important part...
That cleave, that DAMN cleave XD
no wonder this guy was first ban in every single tournament back in the day...
FINAL WAVE!!
Everything started from the Aeon of Strife map from Starcraft, so none of these games win. But the original Dota has the distinction of being under Blizzard, because the Warcraft series is also in the same company as Starcraft. So it has dibs.
Thank you. I appreciated it.
@YumiYumY I cant agree with you. HoN is straight copy of DotA, but LoL is kinda different. It bases on idea, but champs are significantly different and gamestyle varies in a lot of things (like AP, unsimilar items, innate, summoners etc). Also LoL's graphic doesn't look like DotA, while HoN's does.
Actually I play both LoL and DotA, and feel them as totally different. So, no. It's not a clone.
Btw. I wish I could play DotA 2 already...
they arent a copy of each other look at how different they are just because they are both pirates dont mean they stole from each other
love you too...
This is Sea Gladiator !!! idk who's 1st and i don't care
i just called him like that cuz i played HoN before Dota :D
@JacobBiaggi I'm not sure I understand this. DotA 2 is also a clone of dota, dota 2 is just the name. IceFrog had his say in HoN, LoL and now DotA 2.
I am an admiral of Admiral
dont argue...Dota,HoN and LoL all are the same director.
nice introduction.. i like each and every videos of urs... btw... Yes.. DotA is bettr dan HoN... GG