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One of Kishimoto greatest problems wasn’t even that he couldn’t write woman. It was he couldn’t write characters who didn’t have Sharingan or Harshirama cancer. I mean Rock Lee, Temari, Neji, Anko were very similar. They had a Few Episodes just dedicated to them that made them AWESOME and fan favorites. But then they are forgotten about. Hell I’d say Kishimoto is very true to Gender Equality. Every side character is forgotten about or shafted no matter their Gender or looks.
You know it's bad when your main female character's goal is based around trying to build a romantic relationship with one of the main male characters. I love Naruto as a series but Kishimoto's excuses for not being able to write female characters just doesn't sit right with me.
Even Oda, who also has some sexist ideas (I say, even as a massive fan of his work who respects the man as a writer otherwise), is capable of writing women with more dimensions to them than "wants to kiss a dude". Hell, he even has a better written female big bad than Kishimoto too.
@@alvinanis3006 it’s not as if he didn’t warn us. He told us he doesn’t know how to write female character. Indeed it’s not an excuse but you can’t blame a man who knows his limits.
I hate how they never talked about what hinatas father did to her or the affects it had. Even in boruto they were just sorta like "he used to be a little strict lol" when he litterally abandoned hinata when she was a child bc she was too weak. Neji got more time warming up to him then his actual daughter did.
I was pissed about that. You would think that once Naruto understood the details he wouldn't want anything to do with his in-laws. You would think that he would have taken a page from the shitty Third Hokage and pull with the Hyuga Clan what the Old Geezer pulled with the Uchiha Clan. I mean the only other person that he liked from that clan was Neji and he suffered the same fate he had been avoiding his whole damn life.
@@WeirdTale well remember naruto and hinata's relationship is based on bs so it's only natural that he wouldn't care about how his wife was treated lol
@@tonguepop9453 In a way yes, but in a way no. If Naruto had noticed Hinata's feelings for him when they were still Genin, or Hinata had grown a spine when they were 14 and declared her undying love for the boy that rebelled against the world that shunned him, while she was always afraid of the authority figures in her life then it could have worked. Basically instead of jerking us around with the Sasuke bullshit, Kishimoto could have had Team 7 and Team 8 do frequent assigned Espionage missions involving Shadow Clone and Byakugan shared reconnaissance for the Fire Country or something. Kishimoto had an insane amount of good tools and powers in his worlds sandbox but he didn't use them for any character progression and constantly relied on running gags. Naruto is a story told with decent art at the beginning with impressive moments at the start, but that latter did not payoff the way we expected. If anything even if it is a low bar Naruto is one of those few stories in the early 2000's where the girls and women for the most part are the ones that choose the guys they love and do not regret it later. None of that the guys make the first move and have to prove themselves to not be loosers to them. Or that any of the women are in abusive or bad relationships with "hot" but ultimately dumb and selfish men so they go with the more noble hero. Or that they view relationships as something completely bad and unnecessary so they forgo love all together until the "right" guy comes along and is convincing enough to prove them otherwise. The girls in Naruto at least choose and had good enough judgement that the long run it shows that they dot chose badly.
@@WeirdTale That's because, for all of Naruto's grand speeches about changing the world, Naruto never actually changed anything. He pep talked and punched his way into making everyone submit and give up on warring (Sort of). Naruto never changed nor did even think about changing the actual fundamental issues of the world. He is the sort of person who thinks everything can be solved with a hug. Actually trying to grasp the complexities of the world goes far above his head. Of course, this is basically the same for most action shonen protagonists. But Naruto brought up a lot of interesting themes in the story and it never really went anywhere with them.
What Kishimoto did too Hinata’s character pisses me off so much. I relate to her social anxiety and her fear of disappointing others a lot. I wanted too see her prove her father wrong and become a badass. It was so disappointing to watch what Kishimoto would do as the years went by.
It would've been WAY more interesting if she didn't end up with Naruto and it shows her independence to let go, could've been the same damn thing for sakura. But she's so emotionally reliant on him it gets annoying
@@MugdhaSharma2011 UM EXCUSE ME?! If that were true then why didn’t she become bad when Sasuke went missing for God knows how long. I’m just gonna give the benefit of the doubt and hope that the creator isn’t that dumb. lol. I also hate the underdeveloped relationships between these couples. Like what the video said, he believed in the chemistry brotherhood between sasuke and naruto MORE than the ‘canon’ couples now. There’s barely any build up for their growth, let alone their own character motivation as individuals. It sucks it had to be this way
This is why I trash all of them equally. In fact I kinda hate Hinata more because her character revolved solely around being noticed by "Naruto-kun", I hate character whose defining trait is liking someone else, is like they can't exist outside the sphere of said character. Kishimoto sucks at writing females and the worst part is that he admitted it himself. Admitting your flaws is the first step into improving, but he didn't improve nothing on his following series. Maybe that's why it got axed
@@juksleo6257 ugh Hinata is basically JUST another version of Orihime. ‘Kurosaki kunnnn!!’ Like I notice that the MC’s(not all but mostly in shonen) ended up with these characters who liked them for the longest time, submissive and revolves every single thought process around the crush, but the mc barely gave them any attention, and suddenly when they got together it just doesn’t makes sense because their devoted crush since day 1 felt one sided. Like what’s the point of their existence?? To just be the hot submissive crush with big boobs with barely any self plot of purpose and nothing more? Yes. That’s basically it. That’s also saying you should just be with that hot crush who likes you coz...they’re hot and they like you. Lol.
@@sakasusuk I also dislike Orihime. The main factor of why I'm team Noelle in Black clover is because Mimosa reminds of everything I hated on those two.
The whole bit about women being the healers was so infuriating to me, cuz Tsunade did mention that training medical ninjas was hard because they needed to have perfect chakra control + memorizing lots of studies. Wouldn't it have made more sense to make Shikamaru the healer of the Ino-Shika-Cho trio? Considering he's already the smartest person there. Hinata and Neji could've both learned healing techniques too considering they can literally see the flow of chakra and arguably make the healing better, but instead they just made the technique exclusive to the female characters, Ino, Rin, Granny Chiyo, etc.
Ino with her family technique was more suited to learning under Ibiki, the interrogation specialist, than Tsunade. She seems more like the gossip girl who would constantly gather info on everyone around her. Heck, I'm surprised Kabuto's info cards in the chuunin exams didn't inspire her to do something similar.
Perhaps if he made Hinata or Neji medical ninjas overshadow Sakura, Neji would surely have been superior, and Hinata by genetic advantage could develop more power than Sakura, Hinata's personality was more suitable as a medical Ninja. In fact, Sakura was given powers for battle, because without that she would be even more inconsequential.
@@InfernosReaper Neji would surely have been a medical ninja much superior to Sakura, and Hinata would surely have at least equaled Sakura, basically, they took away the only thing in which Sakura would excel and be of good support.
The worst part is that the women had some of the most interesting powers in the Naruto universe. Sakura and Tsunade could literally punch boulders into oblivion. Ino had the ultimate intel ability to possess people, see/hear through them, and even connect the consciousness of multiple people for thought sharing. Tenten had a nearly infinite pool of projectile weapons (eat your heart out, Gilgamesh). And Konan literally parted the sea with her paper seals. To this day, I cant believe that the Manga pushed the females aside by accident or poor writing. It must have taken effort to make so many powerful/nuanced powers worthless in the grand scheme of the show, and that's when we are only considering ninjutsu.
That's not really more interesting, anything Sakura and Tsunade could do with their strenght, the actual strong people could do better (Madara just drawing the sword of his Perfect Susano'o)and healing is usefull and Sakura kept Naruto alive in the War when he lost Kurama but, ultimately, not flashy enough for Shonen. To posses people Ino had to send her mind to the target leaving her body defenseless. Tenten didn't have that, she had a bunch of random normal weapons inside scrolls(a very finite number) and as Temari showed very useless, there was nothing special about them, don't compare to Gilgamesh which with his swords could actually pierce mountains and kaiju, not even gonna say more about the actual special weapons he has, Tenten thing was throw a bunch of weapons and hope it does something. For Konan to do that she needed a lot of time and preparation and it was an one off thing, a last effort to kill Tobi, not something she could do again(without more time and prep).
@fire lord No, not even close, just explaining what they had to work with because Kishimoto didn't give them much. Most of it was generic, and I agree it was a waste of characters, but KISHIMOTO needed that sweet Op Hax Eyes GG or Monster Inside you makes you god thing.
@@razkable well yeah but honestly ten ten was the only female ninja out of the kunoichi in the leaf village that was trying to become a strong ninja but for herself and not for somebody else or some boy.. like hinata and sakura and partially ino. But she still didn’t get any screen time at all. (coming from a hinata stan)
I hate the argument that "Shonen is made for boys" like that's a valid reason to not put any effort into writing an interesting female character. FMA is just as much a shonen as Naruto is but even the most irrelevant bg female characters are better written than any of the main female characters in Naruto.
@Yʊӄǟʀɨ Yǟӄʊʍօ Her too. Honestly, the women in Naruto are most different types love struck weirdos(except Tenten). Ino(she's still thirsty for him even when she's married) and Sakura were annoying. Hinata was practically a stalker. Temari and Karin were Tsunderes. Tenten was the only normal one.
if anything i think the anime ADDED a lot of sexism instead of toning it down. in the manga, becoming a medic takes a lot of time and skill, but in the anime literally all the women do it... because they're women? idk. it also upholds hinata as being perfect for naruto just because she's quiet, shy, busty, and obsessed with him. they never really help each other grow or change or even have a conversation that doesn't involve hinata fainting, running away, or declaring her love. she's basically a side character for most of the show who has no ambitions other than getting with naruto. i really wish they'd done more with her.
@@ghostlyyin I was very disappointed by hinata honestly. She had a great backstory but she never lived up to that potential. Imagine if she became the head of the Hyuuga clan and abolished the caged bird seal in Neji's memory or something! But instead she's just focused on romance like every other female character except Tsunade.
@@georgespiggott5615 ... and except for Tenten! She is at some point shown to care for Lee in what could be seen as a romantic interest, but it is so vague that it could be as well not be there. The fillers actually did a great job with SOME of the female characters (like showing the development in the second Chunin Arc, and having solid female characters like Guren and Fuu), but the authors totally missed the opportunity to do something with Hinata. Maybe they expected there will be something by Kishimoto himself in the main story, but it never came, and then it was too late. But I totally agree with the medic stuff. I was so annoyed by that!
The "shounen is for young men so the female characters don't have to be complex" excuse always makes me laugh considering how the most poorly written female characters in shounen also tend to be the most hated by that same audience
It's also completely false, one piece for instance has a lot of female fans. I think one piece handles the women better (although it still has it's issues).
@@mohammedu7105 That is also the reason I like onepiece , they actually made female character relevant to the plot like without them luffy can't become the pirate king
@@mohammedu7105 This. I was pleasantly surprised at how fleshed out the female characters are, especially right off the bat with Nami. Like you said there's still some obvious flaws but I ended up loving way more of the female cast than I was expecting for a popular shounen.
@hieutv5109 Eiichro made an extremely wise decision with his female characters. It's obvious from the start that Nami would not be able to keep up with the starting crew in terms of strength and fighting ability, but the writer substitutes this by giving her an extremely important role in the crew. Her being the navigator is virtually the backbone of the straw hats' accomplishment of their goal. Without her, Luffy and Co wouldn't have made it to the grandline. Same with Robin, even though her devil fruit has potential, she plays a very important role in that she is the archeologist and one of the very few people who can read ponygliphs. Without her, Luffy is not making it to Raftel, making her an extremely crucial character to the story.
I remember being a young girl who wanted to be a doctor, I really looked up to Sakura and admiring how she could go from being whiny and relatively shallow ill tempered person to finding her niche and a way to be strong that doesn’t come from winning the genetic lottery. I grew up with these characters, I remember watching the Sakura vs. Sasori fight and feeling so proud and excited that someone like me could genuinely be incredibly strong and powerful in their own right. And then as the series continued I just became more and more...confused? Disappointed? Angry? At who she was becoming. At who they all were becoming. You said it best. Naruto will always have an incredible special place in my heart, but what was done to the women in the series almost makes it so painful
i feel hinata at least was used the way the author wanted..shes a small character who shines bright when you least expect it ...its not her story..its narutos....with sakura the issue is shes on screen so much and we have to put up with so much of her bs that when she does something we are underwhelmed cause we expect more from a main character...she really is a bad representation of females in general...she grows for a fight then regresses again
I really feel this. I really felt that Sakura was really competent compared to others her age level, but either that it was never properly utilized or was just completely outshined by Sasuke and Naruto. I absolutely LOVED her in the beginning of Shippuden, then as you said, then was just really sad seeing her becoming what she used to be. I keep thinking back to the Sasori fight where she did really well, and then thinking of the bridge not too many episodes later where they confront Orochimaru (or was it Kabuto?) where she was just tossed aside :(
@@NaNa-wy2tk "misogynistic" Big fuckin words. Literally majority of side characters not just women were sidelined and given less screentime you utter spoon. "Misogynistic" because two fuckin Kages are female. what's next? Racist because Raikage is black and a Kage? Let's play the gender game and I'll complain Sailor Moon author for being misandrist because of all female main.
This is the mark of a true fan. Someone who clearly loves the world and characters in it, but is not blind to the shortcomings inherent in that world. Respect. Also cool analysis.
Yh I agree it’s female characters were done dirty but there are ppl in the comments saying it’s ass and needs to be rewritten just cos of the female characters and that I disagree with. Naruto is a masterpiece and peak fiction imo
I disagree. Some of this guy's arguments could be made towards the guy characters in the story as well. Out of all the criticisms towards Naruto, this has got to be the weakest one. I mean, "the female characters always get saved by the men" Were you not paying attention when Temari literally stepped in to save Shikamaru from his fight against one of the Sound Ninja Four who... *gasp* ...was also a woman.
@Takeover21 I get what your saying but at the same time, that is one of the very few times way a female character has saved the male character without healing. I am only about halfway in part two, even though I know what happens and who dies and stuff, but even if I didn't know that stuff I would still agree. P.S. not trying to hate, just wanted to point out that if your saying things like that you should know that it's very rare.
@@mikemurray329 No, I'm not trying to say that the female characters in Naruto are perfect. They are definitely under-developed and under-utilized in the series. HOWEVER, the person in this video is painting it so that it seems like ONLY the female characters in the series get this treatment when, in actuality, every character aside from Naruto and Sasuke, or who has a Sharingan, gets this treatment. Rock Lee gets this treatment; Neji gets this treatment; Kiba gets this treatment; Sai gets this treatment; Yamato gets this treatment; Shikamaru gets this treatment; and Choji gets this treatment. That is the source of the problem.
Sakura: invents anecdote that a whole frickin villiage couldn't figure out in less than 20 minutes and beats the crap out of Sasori Kishimoto: "Alright that's enough feminism for today" Edit:(Not y’all arguing down there lmaooooo)
It’s because of stories like this that basically every single girl has had at least one boy tell her they like her because “they’re not like other girls”
@@Gadget-Walkmen Because women in real life are not that one dimensional and are real people with real personalities and motivations. Honestly even sadder than the fact that women see females characters written as poorly as this, is that men see women as being this shallow after watching.
Also, Rin was fridged. For those who don’t know fridging means killing off a female character for manpain. The name comes from green lanterns girlfriend being killed and put in a fridge, just to motivate him to fight a villain. Now, think about Rins death. She was killed off to give Obito hate for Kakashi, and Kakashi more baggage. That’s it. That’s fridging.
@@eveecat5198 i am fairly confident male characters get also fridged all the time. The mentor archetype is mostly made of Male characters getting fridged for example.
And even if shounen is targeted towards boys, that doesn't mean boys don't need/want to see well-written female characters. What kind of mindset would a young boy develop, only seeing women in media chase after men, with no function except to serve others?
@Will Diesel “smoking is bad” is obvious for most people but misogyny being bad isn’t obvious for some and they think it’s normal and they well think it’s more normal if they keep seeing it in media and yes I agree a lot of parents are bad parents therefor a lot of kids and teenagers are being thought by media more than by their parents
@Will Diesel underage smoking is as bad as irrationally hating half of the population I’m just saying the impressionable children you’re talking about learn stuff from a lot of different places and they will act the way they are taught so if society teach them women’s ultimate purpose is to serve and support them they will think that way they don’t just find stuff on their own and that’s why racism homophobia and sexism exist.
Ino didn't she's the head of the intelligence division and Yamanaka clan. But you wouldn't be able to tell bc it's never brought up. Sakura is the head medical shinobi in the hospital, yet once again.... never brought up or focused on.
It seemed so out of character. Temari offends me the most because she was my favorite female character in the first two shows and in Boruto she's reduced to an abusive tsundere mom cliche who has nothing better to do than to stay home and nag her husband and kid. And that's another thing I can't stand about Boruto... Way to ruin your only decently-written and somewhat understandable romantic relationship, Kishimoto. -_-
Literally what's wrong with being a housewife? It even makes narrative sense for some characters like Hinata who grew up in a strict family with no love to be the one who gives love and take care of 3 kids. Other females only have being housewives as side jobs while their main is serving the village in some way.
For many of anime fans they were first gay ship.: ) But seriously, they have so much sense than any of female male pairings in Boruto. Just seeing that scene when two go in past conforms it.
I mean, even Naruto and Sakura getting together would have made some sense. I mean I saw them more as siblings cause they had that kind of energy, but even so they would have made a little more sense than Sakura and Sasuke bc they would have spend all that time together trying to get Sasuke back. Also, Hinata should had an arc where she takes back her place as the Hyuga heir. Just saying.
it would be at least as toxic as sasusaku, tho, sasuke ending up with anyone from the original team 7 is so messed up because both naruto and sakura had an unhealthy obssession on him and he just tried to kill them multiple times in response, man should've ended alone
@Batman what? homosexuality is not something to be "promoted", it's like saying "let's not promote blond hair", people are born like this and it's completely normal and natural, you know? let's not promote homophobia
@@sparkyphantom92 Its true. But orochimaru does have some good original shit. My fav quote of his is what he said to kimimaro. "Maybe there is no purpose in life, but if you linger a while long enough, you might just find something of value in it. Like how you discovered that flower, or how I found you."
If I was a boy, I'd feel insulted by knowing that the writer of a series I really liked, thought that I was too stupid to understand the concept of women as three dimensional characters, and therefore chose not to flesh them out, only for the series to suffer.
@@supreme_king_obama1158 It's a shame, because it is not only insulting, but it further perpetuates the same negative stereotype they think they're catering to, while the quality suffers in the process. The pygmalion effect is real. Boys and girls won't learn what they're not being taught after all.
@@Zeverinsen although I recently learned that the writer of the series did not intend for the females to be treated this way, he was just very bad at writing female characters (doesn't excuse his actions but that's not the point of this comment) and he states that if he could go back and write it all over again he would give the females more agency and make them better characters. Once again I state that it does not excuse what he did, but it does shed some light on the situation that makes things a bit better.
@@supreme_king_obama1158 It is indeed a rampant problem in the world of fiction, but sadly also in the world of facts. There are several mangas I wouldn't be angry about being rewritten for several reasons, including this. If Kishimoto wrote Naruto today instead, maybe I would've liked the series.
@@Zeverinsen yeah. I think after kishimoto said he was returning to write boroto everybody got extremely worried, but he's doing a surprisingly good job with sarada. He kept her motivation to be hokage the same and kept her agency, and which the path we see the series going, i doubt that boroto is going to become hokage and sarada a housewife. I only hope the series continues the way it's going and we get an important female who fights on the front line and isn't a healer or trophy
I heard someone say "credit to kishimoto for admitting that he cannot write female characters well." Its a lame excuse to cover up the rampant sexism in the manga and anime.
How is that sexism? He doesn’t know how to write females character because he doesn’t understand them, in one of his interviews kishimoto said he doesn’t understand his own wife. Stop throwing the word sexism around like that.
@@reinaldomanuel8488 While sexism is a real issue, I agree that the word is thrown around too lightly. By others that are possibly as narrow minded as sexists
Remeber that one movie where when Hinata was alone she stealthed the shit out of things and nearly rescued herself, but as soon as Naruto showed up she forgot she was a ninja.
One thing I think people always forget to mention when criticizing something for poor quality work fueled by misogynistic writing is the effect it has on men in the real world. The ideas it puts into young boys that women are shallow, weaker, sexier versions of men is so harmful to young boys and so it's hilarious when people say "well the main audience is teenage boys" as if it's not harmful to them. Misogyny in anime never directly hurts women cause most women I know prefer to watch anime's without it and so it can only hurt the young boys who are subliminally indoctrinated with this fantasy. And every one knows that kids will always chase fantasy over realism especially the ones who love anime so no doubt it might contribute to a harmful, shallow fantasy that forms their idea of how women should be and how they should therefore treat them. I mean when you try and make a meaningful relationship out of any of these antiquated, shallow and misogynistic/misandrist expectations then you will always fail. You can't spin gold with straw.
I think they are at fault for not being able to differentiate between reality and fictional world, considering they decided to chase after ONE fictional show over hundreds of real encounter they will have or had with females in real life, and one must be incredibly stupid to take a message which isn't the part of the themes in the show.
@@shroobzzz Speak for yourself dumbfk, I haven't been influenced by any show for Shi. And neither is a show obligated to teach you any values, if you get influenced by it, it's your fault. Simple.
The weirdest thing about Naruto is that Naruto himself exists. Like I know that children are trained killers from like age of 5 and that basicly there is nothing impossible but like we are shown that there was period of at least few years that Naruto spent all by himself and seeing Third few times a month to recieve his money. Like how did kid younger than 6 learn to dress himelf, cook, clean, bathe himself? How did he learn to use money he was given? I am not psychologist but I know that he would have at least some issues being all alone, hated by everyone and that wouldn't be just vandalising statues. He would be dirty, unkempt have at least some speach or cognitive issues, emotional issues and would have some trouble functioning in society and be at least partly feral. Like there are real kids left alone and they aren't that functioning. That is if he didn't burn his house while trying to cook something and die or I don't know got lost wandering and die. He is only alive because of the Kuramas healing powers and sourely they were weaker when he was baby. But the craziest think in the whole anime has to be small kid left alone for days. Even Sasuke was babied by his family at first
Honestly yeah. My best guess about Naruto is that the third to some extent took care of him, but from a distance so he wasn't so much Naruto's dad, but just someone who paid the kids rent and made sure he bathed. But the show never gives us an actual answer about this stuff so that's probably not the case.
I hate that Jiraya was his godfather and left him alone to fend for himself all those years. The rest of the adults in the village did the same. Were there NO families or adults at all who would be willing to take in the hokage's newborn baby?! It makes them all look totally incompetent, careless, and/or like horrible heartless people. But I doubt that's what Kishimoto intended, so I attribute it to him not thinking about this massive plot hole, or ignoring it so Naruto could have a depressing backstory- all of which was, btw, avoidable, unnecessary, and pointless.
@@dreamingblue3939 I never thought about that before. I suppose to the rest of the hidden leaf, even though he is the Hokages son, there's the whole nine tailed fox thing which is why no one wanted to adopt him. As for Jiraya, he is an asshole for that. Like my man knew and was fine with Kushina, so he doesn't even have the excuse of 'fox scary :('
@@bluebird1914 I still don't understand why he left and no one questioned this... I almost want to go back and see if Kishimoto tried to explain it or if it was just never addressed at all. But if I had to make a wild guess I'd say it was the latter. :/
I'm glad to see there are other people who enjoy Sakura in the first Shippuden arc, in my eyes that is the best version of Sakura and by the end of the arc after a top tier fight against Sasori with Chiyo and learning from her, even as a kid, I felt excited about what Sakura was going to become. Especially seeing how far she had come since the start of the series, and then everything just devolved completely from there and I was only left wanting more of Kazekage rescue arc Sakura
Considering the fact that we don’t get too many Sakura moments in shippuden that’s comparable to what she did in the kazekage rescue arc, it’s not much of a surprise
Shikamaru spends as much time in the office with Naruto so she kinda had to be if they didn't want to hire a baby sitter or nanny. Plus people change, especially when they have children
I think it doesnt make sense that they had a child, it would have been much cooler if Temari became a shinobi that was travelling around the world and doing badass shinobi stuff while Shikamaru was stuck in office. This would have made for an interesting dynamic, Shikamaru being sometimes jealous of Temari because she can live an active shinobi live while he is busy with paperwork.
honestly, the women didn't even feel like the 50s housewife's cuz even they had like a role, they were just like...a footnote, they were just there, and whenever they did anything it was because they needed to help further some plot. Honestly I cringe at the show nowadays,
Sadly, the Hyuga Clan and the Byakugan were wasted, They were set up in part one to be on par with the Sharigan...but once Naruto topped Neji, who had topped Hinata, they were in the rear view. Very sad writing with that and the women.
Fr the fucking Kamui, Izanami, Izanagi, the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, The Mangekyo Sharingan, the sharingan's genjutsu abilities. I wish it were only used for seeing in more frames per second, and copying jutsus like in the Zabuza arc.
Exactly , if they did that same shit again in boruto I will be pissed . Hyuga clan is such a wasted potential. I hate that boruto is not learning something more hyuga I mean boy can see chakra point with jougan so they should train him in hyuga household . I'm okay with sasuke being his Sensei but can he train with his Pops atleast .He can learn sage mode . I swear if himawari is wasted after awakening her byakugan without any training the writers are playing favourites. Fuck it .
@@starlight-yr7pf Ikr, Himawari is my favorite character and if they made her awaken her byakugan at like 5 (i think)and then make her weak/not do anything with her power, than im gonna drop it
Another thing is that we forget that the ninja academy was preparing children to go to war! The mortality rate was high and all the male characters had a valid reason to join however Sakura ino and hinata joined for a crush ?!?!
@@GabrielMoura-qe1xr none of them joined for crush, their crushes started after attending the academi Being a ninja is in general a profitable job and the time they became students and later gennins was free of war After the 3 great wars there was not much going on aside from small criminals and some rough ninjas until later in the series when akatsuki showed up which was an undercover organisation and they definetly weren't rasing shinobi to fight them
@@abobanger9054 nope. Their crushes started when they were children. Not all children join the academy and we know they don't because there are people with regular jobs that have nothing to do with being ninja.
@@BabyGirlTiny they joing the academi as kids, at age 5 at lates Kakashi was there at age 5 and became a gening in same age, a chunin when he was 6 and a jonin when he was 11/12 Edit: and sakura found out that she liked sasuke after she saw him in the academie, that was already after he lost his clan
Thank you so much for this. Too many fans want to hate the female characters without actually digging deeper and analyzing they these characters are written! If anything, hate the writing decisions made by the writers.
@@jalenhart7651 So? At the end of the day what matters is if they liked a character or not, and they aren't bounded to explain themselves to anyone for it.
@@christopherb501 My absolute favourite is Sakinthra's "Second Bite at the Cherry" (archiveofourown.org/works/15001781), in which Sakura becomes precisely what the world of ninjas sorely needs. Another, much shorter one is "Into the Water" (archiveofourown.org/works/13759833). While "Find Your Place (whatever it takes)" (archiveofourown.org/works/14112045) is much darker and hasn't been updated in a while, it's very much worth a read too. And Branch's wonderfully written "It’s Just That Any One of Us Is Half Without Another One Is You" (archiveofourown.org/works/230916) features Sakura x Sasuke x Naruto (as in, they're all in love with each other) if you prefer some romance. By the same author is Hinata-centric "Cloud Hands" (archiveofourown.org/works/267550). Finally, I recommend "(i promise you that) we're marching on" (archiveofourown.org/works/1172719). There's more, but these are the ones off the top of my head. Enjoy!
@@akiralee9934 Ayo, I'm thinking of trying Naruto out. Should I watch the shows, read the manga, and then look at the fanfics? Or should I watch the show and then look at the fanfics-
Oh boy, that anime\manga is FIRE. All the characters are good and interesting, all the female characters are well written and so are the male characters, and there is very little fan-service(half-naked Levi and Eren scenes are fan-service to me lol). Aaand there are man-buns and beards👌 Isayama is the GOAT.
@@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ her characterization is inconsistent and frustrating. She is a badly written character and it’s frustrating because she could’ve been something great.
Tenten got done dirty. She was the most individual lipstick compared to the other women and how does Kishimoto reward that individuality out of all the women her most prominent moment is when Temari completely folds her ass
Literally, her special skill was 100% accuracy... give that woman a sniper rifle and she's taking down the whole cast~ so much could be done with that and her summoning AND seeming 'touch-master-weapon' ability and she had the best setup for an actual shinobi... Mah girl got done dirty.
I didn't really watch the anime, so I can only go from what is in the manga, but Tenten got zero backstory and that always irks me. Every side character got some kind of depth, some kind of motivation (deep or shallow), except Tenten. Other comments say she has 100% accuracy. I don't remember that ever even being mentioned in the manga. All I know about her is that she's in Lee's and Neji's team, she throws things and got her ass handed to her by Temari (off page, I might add. She didn't even get a single fight to show her abilities). There are already so few female characters, why did he have to make one of them such a backdrop?
Kishimoto spent TWO WHOLE CHAPTERS setting up Konan’s brilliant setup to kill Obito... and then she’s defeated by sharingan fiat in one panel and jump cut to Obito getting what he wanted with her death offscreen.
Also even though she proved how strong she was she wasn't resurrected. Kinda feels like someone didn't want to waste more time on her unlike Itachi, Kakuzu, Nagato, Deidara and Sasori.
women: reduced to being love interests naruto and sasuke: having more bromantoc moments together than they do with their supposed romantic interests the way the womem are so bad they even fail to be captivating love interests lmao
@@dynamopirate470 but she did tho. She could fight alongside them without needing their help. But there’s only so much she can do seeing how the writer doesn’t like his female characters
Thats because the women in the show aren’t as wise, just because a man is better than a woman doesnt mean its sexism, kishimoto made many wise males doesnt mean he has to make many wise females, itachi, obito and nagato arent wise because they are men, h
Worst part is that Sakura has so many MOMENTS where you can see genuine development and growing maturity and then Kishimoto pulls a 180° and makes her exactly as she was before. I dont mind the women being healers, generally more emotional, or generally less proficient at conbat in the story, if you want the men to be the warriors, and the women to be the emotional heart of the story, that's perfectly fine. But they have to be PEOPLE at the end of day. At some point it stops feeling like a character being bad, and just the writing being bad. An arc where Sakura got over Sasuke to find something/someone else to fight for wouldve been awesome! You dont even have to take away her love interest! Maybe she falls in love with Lee or Naruto, learning to appreciate the people who actually gave a crap about her (keep in mind having a female character fall in love does not devalue her, as long as its not the only thing she lives for). She gets some truly badass moments, and demonstrates loyalty and that hard work pays off, and then the writing takes that lovely bit of development and smashes it. Over. And over. And over again. Its infuriating to watch, as she was always my favorite character. I found her insecurity highly relatable, and her having to 100% work for every skill she ever had (because no bloodline funny business for her) was really inspiring. Too bad it doesnt stick. Poor Hinata, she had such potential but at the end of the day shes almost a nothing character. Her entire personality is Naruto to the point where it comes off as obsessive. At least Sakura would occasionally interact with the guy she liked (though he treated her like shit 99% of the time). Imagine if she gave her life for Neji instead of the other way around, shattering Neji's fatalistic worldview, and teaching everyone about the brutal cost of war, that death comes for you no matter if youre a homeless peasant, or the heiress to the strongest clan in Konoha. Or she could serve as a diplomat type, using her authority and connections to pull strings in favor of her allies, and becoming a confident, no nonsense woman who is the first to speak, not stutter and hide like when she was a child. Get rid of her naruto obsession, make her shyness a little less comedic, and a little more, "I have debilitating social anxiety and must work hard to overcome it because I am more than my flaws". You can still give her a love interest, but she needs to interact with him more than 4 times in the entire story. I dont think Kishimoto is sexist, i think he just doesnt understand how to write women (which, honestly, writing people of the opposite sex IS difficult) but thats no excuse for every female character being so underutilized. Though, most of the male characters dont have it TOO much better. If youre not an uchiha or uzumaki you really dont matter at the end of the day. Such a shame.
I was so hype to see sakura become a powerhouse bruiser in early shippuden, and i really wanted her to use her medical abilities to get reckless with her fighting style, i.e. punching so hard she break her own arm, then casually heals it back up while still swinging. I wanted a fiery, hot headed, ferocious brawler to compliment naruto's sheer speed and numbers, since her role of "genjutsu" was taken away. I wanted her to be the beast that tsunade was played up to be in her early episodes. I would have adored to see a dynamic between her and rock lee, where one's fighting with nothing but the sheer might of his MASCLE, and hte other is channeling raw chakra into every punch! When it came to her personality, Ignoring her actions (i.e. her attempted manipulation of naruto. you know what i'm talking about.) I enjoyed her personality. But what I really learned to hate about her was simply put, her inability to keep up with naruto and sasuke. I always firmly believed that as a main character, she should be able to, if nothing else, fill in that missing bruiser/tank role, since naruto filled the protagonist role, and sasuke was at this point, a prodigy in the field of jutsu. As opposed to pulling a yamcha or krillin and just shouting the protag's name over and over. but the path they took for her was just.... Eugh. they didn't just make her useless, they made her irredeemably nasty, with the guise of pretending to be a good person.
Sakura - kunoichi, wanting to be with a beloved man and catch up with 2 her commanders, doesn't have her own goal, has not enough screentime of her training, doesn't create her jutsu, no element and and hand seals uses Hinata - almost the same, ends up being a housewife, creates a jutsu but uses it only twice Ino - a representative of one of the most famous clans, which doesn't get enough attention from Kishi, good motivation and worthwhile growth, ends up being a seller and a housewife Tsunade - despite being the most well-written in the story, lives the dream of a dead man Kushina (jinchuriki), Mikoto, Yoshino, Kurenai (one of the best genjutsu users in Konoha), Karui - housewives Karin - no motivation, no growth, just obsession and being an instrument Rin - plays a role of her commanders' motivation, no goal, dead for a plot movement, needs to be protected and saved (as it was said) Hanabi (sensei and a heiress of the strongest clan in Konoha), Temari (actually strong, free and confident woman not simping for a boy), Konan (ex-member of a dangerous organisation, the strongest kunoichi in the world), Tenten (kunoichi with a worthwhile purpose, not interested in men), Mei (ex-kage), Anko, Shizune, Kurotsuchi (kage), Moegi, Tsume, Hana, Yugao (an ANBU member), Samui, Matsuri, Mirai - shinobis with not enough screentime Kaguya - considered to (and must) be the most powerful woman in the series, but appeares on the very end out of nowhere and gets defeated by 3 teens and 1 jonin Here are some kunoichis, moved out of the story: Izumi (the only known girl with a Sharingan) - dies being killed Fu (jinchuriki) - dies being killed Chio (one of the strongest puppet users) - dies Yugito (jinchuriki) - dies being killed Pakura (a famous shinobi of Suna) - dies being killed Tayuya - dies being killed Mabui - dies being killed Nono (an ANBU member) - dies being killed Tsuchi - dies being killed Biwako - dies being killed Ameyuri (one of the 7 ninja swordsmen) - dies because of some kind of disease Mito (jinchuriki) - dies Karura - nothing is known about her
Having to deal with manga editorial staff sounds like the worst. If someone ever said “you need to make the characters boobs bigger or nobody will read your story.” To me I would spit in their face and quit.
One thing I understood after Naruto's end and a few beers was: Bitch, Naruto had a lot of cool concepts, but terrible execution. The good thing about it was the fanfics...
I agree. Naruto fanfiction actually give a lot of emphasis towards the female characters as well. And the story is better executed, much better than Kishimoto canon Naruto series.
Also it makes me a little uncomfortable to see how quickly Naruto changes his mind from loving Sakura to loving Hinata in The Last. After all he was in love with Sakura since childhood. So then how come Sakura would not change her mind about Sasuke no matter what but Naruto suddenly changes his mind so quickly?
Yes, it doesnt make a sense, it feels impossible that sakura doesn't love naruto after all she's been through with him, and it's even weirder that naruto suddenly loves hinata.
In defence of Naruto’s change, I recall that there had been one episode in Shippuden where Sakura basically professed her love to him but it was only intended to trick him to abandon his obligations. Naruto, despite generally considered dense by his peers, didn’t buy her fake confession, and I think that was when any of their potential for romance started becoming irrecoverable.
@@erikliu7455 While that's true, the reason Naruto rejected her fake confession was because to him it meant that she was giving up on Sasuke. He loved her still, but he knew that her confession was fake and he didn't want to give up on Sasuke the way she did. I think, under different circumstances, he might have welcomed her supposed advances. But even then, I agree that the chances of a romantic relationship were slim. Still, though, it doesn't explain the sudden change in Naruto, when even Hinata sacrificing herself against Pain and telling him she loves him didn't open his eyes.
The last shouldn’t even exist. That movie is terrible, also when they retract Hinata when Naruto saved her even she being a super able ninja just to show cute scenes between then(as Gaiden, when Sakura, a medical ninja, stop to fight because of >BLADES< just to show a Sasusaku moment. Novels not written by Kishimoto make it so better, btw) and girl’s feelings. Sakura and Hinata literally like their husbands since 5 yo. That’s so bizarre…
Naruto saw hinata always loved him and that changed his views on her...it's retcon af cause kishi never developed them in the manga but also naruto realized finally he can't force sakura to change and like him...it took him way too long to realize that...there's other fish in the sea...you can rebound..shes not worth it
The substance in how vulnerable kishimoto made hinata sakura tsunade ino chiyo kushina is something I never see in other series outside of maybe robin in one piece...stop lying..these 6 had real depth...I actually cared about them...
Author Kishimoto's new manga series "Samurai 8" kinds shows how the author may have misogynistic views towards women It has a scene where the protagonist makes his girl friend cook dinner for her (like, a lot because he was hungry in that episode) So later on that night, the protagonist decides to eat at a f**king restaurant instead of the girl's dinner He doesn't let her know beforehand that he's gonna eat somewhere else, he doesn't apologize to her for wasting her time and effort, and he doesn't get called out on this. It's like the author thinks it's ok for a person to treat a girl like this
Why does kishimoto make Sakura go thru these mental trauma seriously I read in an interview kishimoto said that *I like to play with her feelings* I don't get WHY DOES HE PAIR HER WITH SASUKE who tortured her and Naruto why make her go thru all that And why TF DID HE MAKE HINATA GO THRU HER TRYING TO GET HERSELF KILED TO PROTECT HER CRUSH but then when she actually is potentially dead he never talks to her or talk to her about her confession he just acts like that never happened WHATTTTT sasuke and naruto def made the most sense hell I would even say Minato and kushina , shikamaru and temari , .....and if we're stretching it a bit I would say Sakura and Naruto but pls NOT SASUKE AND SAKURA and pls the last was just an excuse of a film to actually explain how tf did naruto and hinata actually get married which never made sense considering she risked her life so many times yet her crush dint notice her or tell her he loves her after 14 years of her stalking him also KISHI KILLED NEJI FOR NARUHINA OMG.....I CANT also sasuke and Sakura are the worst ship just no....
@@sangwootheanklebreaker4646 Well, the author did establish beforehand that whenever Naruto goes all Nine Tails, Four Tails, or Six Tails mode, he ends up forgetting the moments that led up to him doing that, so... that point about Hinata is misunderstood there, I think.
I always loved Sakura for her potential. I never understand why so many people hate her as a character when it's clearly the writing's fault for how she's portrayed.
Similar to MIsa from Death Note, a lot of people hate her for being girly, "dumb", and obsessed with Light, but her writing is steeped in misogyny. She could've been an excellent and stellar character otherwise.
@@lapplandkun9273 which sucks, because she was supposed to be legitimately amazing at it. the problem is that she had the bad luck to end up fighting an uchiha, which is an automatic L for anyone past the chunin exams lmao
Yeah and even when they do, they troll her saying shit like rEmEmBeR wHeN sHe tRiEd tO uSe gEnjUtSu oN iTaChI as if she wasn't also a genjutsu specialist.
I think it would have been cool for Sakura to use intelligence instead of strength to beat someone because she was set up as a smart character, but that never really happened.
I’ve been watching Naruto for the first time with my boyfriend. Every time a new woman is introduced, I go, “What’s her cool power? Let me guess: healing.” Aaaaand I’m almost always right.
It’s really telling that Shikamaru, a side character gets a more compelling and memorable character arc that anything Sakura, a MAIN protagonist ever did
@@Jo-zx9fz With the way the other girls were written, moving on from her crush would just have removed her from the narrative completely. Just look at Tenten. She’s one of the few female characters who’s personality isn’t “I’m in love with this guy” (even though she had some romantic potential with Neji) and she literally had 0 screen time or relevance.
@@stormnightmare4378 that's really sad if legendary characters like Minato and sakumo hatake exists , why can't there be female characters like that. Tsunade is the only one with that perspective but even then everyone associates her with jiraiya. Now i can see sarada and sumire pushed to that same stupid Love theme, where they both are potential characters of having a good storyline with romance not being the main priority.
@@Jo-zx9fz Sakura really love Sasuke. Even Kakashi and Naruto said her feelings are true. But relationship is toxic. Yes. Sasuke trying to kill her and Karin and they loved him after that
Kishimoto liked Shikamaru quite a lot so that is the reason why he continued to develop him even through Shippuden. And I'm saying this because many other memebers of Konoha 12 had their moments during the original Naruto but were totally left out in Shippuden except for Shikamaru.
Searching for love and acceptance that you don't get from your family is not a dream? Wanting to change yourself and become less passive and more confident isn't a dream? Hinata loved Naruto because she wanted to change.
@@muchiha6428 but... that doesn't have anything to do with naruto... Actually no. think about all this way: if Naruto died or ended up with someone else (because that's his right to do so), what would you think happen to hinata?
@@miss_chelles1338 Naruto is the source of her confidence, how does he not have anything to do with her? He inspired her to change. If Naruto ended up with someone else, Hinata would accept it. She literally did so in the last movie once she saw Naruto wearing his moms scarf.
@@janinebelleestrada7096 Hinata accomplished all her dreams, she changed just like she wanted to and became more confident. "Like seriously i expected her to not only be a good mother but also something more but no" It was her dream to have a healthy and happy family and raise children in a sheltered and protective environment. A chance that she missed as a kid, so she wants to give that love for her children.
Not only that but she made sure shikamaru was worthy of her time and love by not making things too easy for him and if she has to be tough for his own sake she ain't stepping back. That's what makes a good woman. She knows her value and her worth. Shikamaru actually had to put in some work.
@@thebigbangtheoryispuregarbage why tf you have a problem with housewives like it's an easy task?? You want characters like Sasori's parent all ninja killed in an encounter....now tell me what happened to Sasori. It's like belittling your Mother's role ....y'all are bunch of buffoons.
@@valeriansage no .Like why does every good character who is woman become a housewife instead of being a great ninja .Tamari Kushina Hinata were all good character who had potential but ended up beinf housewives .Like at least sakura and ino are doing something for the village
@@valeriansage I think the problem isn't being a housewife but that just about every fenale character becomes a house wife and that's it. No variation whatsoever. Kushina is also one of the women who had dreams of her own. It'd also be nice to see at least some of them achieve it, or anything that isn't a housewife for a change, although I already know dreams change.
How poetic of Kishimoto to have Kushina declare that she wants to become the first female hokage, only to have her end up being the housewife to the future hokage smh
I'm calling it now, Sarada is going to get the exact same treatment. Even if by some miracle she manages to hold the office, she's going to be second fiddle to Boruto as the actual de-facto protector of the village.
It might have been workable if it was at least an open secret that Kushina was just as involved with the work as Minato even if she didn't technically have the title.
She wasn't a housewife. Minato seems to be doing most of the house work even before she becomes pregnant. Even then If she hadn't changed her mind at one point I think Minato would have supported her if she continued.
And not to mention the fact that motherly relationships are almost nonexistant in naruto. Who is Kakashi's mom? Guy's mom? Sasuke was so focused on gaining his father's approval but didn't care much about his mom. Ino, shika, and cho's dads were all on the battlefield and had moments with their kids. What about their moms?
well ...its clear female characters were the last thing the writer was interested in .....the amount of work and thought put into each male character main or supporting and their back stories is admiring on the other hand the writer didn't even care to think that in the world of shinobi is it even possible that not even one woman exits who is worthy to die a Sinobi's death ?? .....even though so many female characters had great abilities and also grew together with male characters .....Not even one had good reason to be remembered by fans ...except Tunade the mighty hokage who also in the end was shown emotionally weak and was unable to fight on the battlefield even after she herself was a lord hokage .......its even noticed that woman image is only of " chasing after man " .....as in the video described ...woman are only there to be seen as lovers, wives, mothers ....but the writer did not even clearly explored these roles as u stated in your comment NARUTO is my fav series i absolutely love the characters but i doubt if writer intended to write a bromance material but had to add female characters bc of pressure 😅
sakura really could have become a badass female character , imagine a ninja from Normal family with no special clan like uchiha or senju clan as tsunada and doesn't have a tailed beasts trains to become a strong ninja with her own strength but the way she ws written is really bad , her potential with lost with sasuke drama , she simply could become like gai someone who defines hardwork
@@rinray9685 " someone like gai who defines hardwork" of course not , gai wasn't from the special clans who had their own jutsu or had a tailed beast yet he was able to be the strongest in taijutsu by his own hard work , meanwhile sakura have a perfect chakra control and literally she was a genius she was the one able to solve the problems in the written chunin exams , she was resistant to genjutsu all of that she isn't from a special clan or had tailed beast , kishimoto wasted many potential EXCEPT sakura with sasuri fight she was lost in sasuke drama even her badass moment when she gain the byakuya seal just after 5 seconds she was saved by naruto and sasuke , not sakura alone but really all naruto female characters he handled them poorly it's not because I I don't like them but I don't like the way all naruto females characters were written just tsunada and konan
@@rinray9685 what did this have to do with my comment?? I said they are poorly written example when sakura had her badass moment she was saved by naruto and sasuke , literally if you compared the females characters to the male characters, most of these females their dreams and motivation connected to gain admiration by a male , Not have a dreams on their own , their development not well written and this what these video said
I think one of the big problems is narrative dissonance. We're told sakura is one of the strongest people in Konoha, we're told that Hinata is one of the youngest characters to have created their own Jutsu from scratch. But we are barely shown their strength, Sakura had her moment to shine in the beginning, fighting one of pain's summons, and played an important role in the end. Whilst Hinata had her's when she fought pain and during the last: naruto the movie. But beyond that we're not given much else, it feels like there were just too many characters and not many ideas on what to do with them all.
I agree the guidebooks stated that Sakura could hold her own in a fight with Sasuke and Naruto by the War Arc and yet we see none of her power. Even in Boruto the one major fight she gets ends with her getting saved by Sasuke and she doesn’t even use the 100 healings
Hinata didn't create any jutsu, twin lion fist already existed, it's a technique taught to the main branch of the Hyūga clan and Hinata only learned to use it
It didn't only fail its female characters. It also failed its worldbuilding. People wonder why almost every hero or villain is/was a konoha ninja. Well, it's because it's the only place we ever visited. We barely saw the other nations or clans. Most of the time it's about Konoha and some Uchiha on steroids causing trouble. Now it's technically about aliens, but I still think about all the places we could have visited and all the non-Konoha characters that had so little screentime and development.
true..too many people focus on the female characters because they hate most of them or feel let down by the few they liked....what about the other flaws?..its not a perfect story
Glad someone else pointed this out. I wanted part of Shippuden to focus on Naruto building a relationship with the Jinchuriki from the other nations. Hell, during the timeskip, Naruto and Jiraiya could've traveled to the other lands for Naruto to train and during that journey, he could've made friends with the other Jinchuriki so they could be relevant in Shippuden and have actual screentime. They all had such cool designs but the only one's we got to know, besides Naruto, are Gaara and Killer Bee (Utakata too but that was a filler arc so it doesn't count). And we really aren't introduced to the other nations in the series until the end of it all in preparation for the War Arc. Such wasted potential on learning about so many cool characters and other villages and lands.
I think about this too often. It would've been so interesting to see life outside of being a ninja, or what civilization is like outside hidden villages (which are hidden as stated in their name). I also wonder about how the political system works in the Narutoverse, beyond the five Kage we're aware of. Also, my mind is always constantly bamboozled on the technological advancement of the world the characters are living in because it's all over the place sometimes.
@@ProlificPops Naruto and Bleach have the same flaw of "introducing a cool concept, power, and or character for the sake of it being cool rather than introducing them organically into the story," Haki in One Piece was introduced in the very first chapter, with its interactions and utilization further developed as the story goes on.
@Ghost Town looking at the way kishi failed his female characters, we all can say it WOULD be a development but not an impact. However, if he was interested in sakura, he would have created a great story for her, made her influence and be a part of it, not a decoration
@Ghost Town I know, but she had a potential because a lot of shinobis praised her abilities (chakra control, genjutsu, iq, power, success in studying before becoming a genin) and her character could have represented the ideas of "love yourself", "a hard work beats talent", "don't compare yourself to others" and so on. As Sakura already existed, she should have affected the story just like her comrades. However, we didn't see it unfortunately
I spent the whole time I was watching hoping she’d deck him and go “Fuck you, emo boy. You look like a piece of cheese.” Or something to a stronger effect
Even if a series is targeted to a younger male audience, that just makes it all the more important to write multi-faceted female characters along side the male cast. Set a good example and show young men that both men and women are capable of so much, and the beautiful relationships that can come from embracing the good and the bad in each character, no matter their gender.
@@icebox1954 ...no? the main difference of men and women in combat is average physical strength/muscle mass AND I REALLY DONT THINK NARUTO CARES ABOUT MUSCLE MASS OF ALL THINGS. besides, if they were all trained for this, they would all be equally competent with a few outliers.
@@cobweb8129 They wouldn't be equally competent, not even close. And besides the Raikage and his family then you are right, physical strength really isn't focused on. But I never mentioned muscle strength I wrote that men and women are wired differently. The reason men dominate is because they are by nature more aggressive and prone to be more disagreeable at the extremes. That has nothing to do with muscle strength, but rather how the male brain functions, which is why men will always be the best ninjas. You seem to forget that no one cares about the faceless, average ninjas that are chunin, who were born without much talent, heir to a ninja clan or godlike powers. In that men and women might be equally bad. But at the extremes men will always be better (unless you are the mother of all chakra from a Japanese fairy tale).
The funny thing is, if you give your female characters strong internal philosophies and motivations, you can actually give them much more interesting reasons to like your male characters than "I just think he's neat."
The "Shounen is for younger men" isn't an excuse to create trash female characters. Jujutsu Kaisen is an anime targetted towards younger men too but the female characters still had their own interesting personalities and stood out (Nobara, Maki, etc.).
Actually, yeah. Seven Deadly Sins is obviously targeted towards a younger male audience, and yet Escanor is written to be emotionally dependent on Merlin. Elizabeth has actual powers, and the demon lady from the Ten Commandments (forgot her name, but the one with the golden blond hair) has actual ambitions and “avenger” tendencies.
@@venturoushope2846 I am being sarcastic to make a point. The point being that all the anger and frustration pointed at Kishimoto and his Naruto series seems to be overblown. Unless you expect him to be as perfect as his series is popular, then it should be okay for him and his series to have their weaknesses.
@@venturoushope2846 There is nothing wrong with criticism of an author or their work. However, I do have a problem with the amount of offense this comment section seems to take from his “poor writing choices.” There seems to very little critique from what I can see, and a lot of complaining.
Remember when Konan completely outplayes Obito but since he had bullshit uchiha hax powers he still won. This is how dirty Kishimoto treats female characters they are either obssesed with a male character or genuienly strong but not strong enough to actually take out an important character.
What kind of flex would've that been? You know what would've been amazing was that Obito would have died in that battle and get brought back by Kabuto. If Kishimoto wanted her to die. That paper bomb trick making her chakra pool deplete heavily would've been a better reason. Dying from using too much chakra killing the bad guy? Far better than how she was treated. Legit Konan had so much potential. She could've died heroically actually hindering their plans but instead she just got piped down and pretty much a fodder character
@@mysteryman9488 uh what about that? i mean the fight was pretty good in general and it definitely allowed both chiyo and sakura to show alot of their ability - i dont see the problem?
@@subashira It means that they didn't win on their own even after everything, Sasori could have killed them if he wanted to. Compare that to the rest of the cast who actually beat their opponent. Naruto one shotted Kakuzu, Sasuke beat Deidara and even Shikamaru beat Hidan using his intellect Sakura is the only one that just gets a mercy win.
Sakuras crush on Sasuke should've stopped in the chunnin exams. The chunnin exams showed Sakura could be strong, independent and smart. Examples would be her doing the test without cheating in the first part, her being able to trick and hold on against three adult ninjas on her own on the second part of the exam, and her being able to break free from Ino's jutsu in the third part. They could've just made her realize that she didn't actually like Sasuke in a love way and only acted that way because it's what the other girls did and she didn't want to be the odd one out. I mean, god dammit, she's physically the strongest ninja in Konoha and runs the hospital by herself! But nooooooo, let's make her super obsessed on Sasuke even after he threatens to kill her!!!!1!1 Edit: I also forgot to mention Sakura was the best at chakra control, being able to climb the tree at the first try.
She was never obsessed with sasuke romantically after he left, I think this is how you pay attention to it and how it's written more than how you, individually see it. You remember that fake confession? yea tho I fucking hated it because it had done no justice to her character and she was MANIPULATED before hand which basically gave her no time to actually think it through and she had no moral support from anyone in the village after the news there is one thing you can find in it and it's that she rather have Naruto than sasuke and she was willing to keep her only friend who had always been there for her rather than sasuke. She even said it when Naruto was leaving the village that he always understood her. After sasuke left I'm not gonna say all romantic feelings disappear because even irl it doesn't work like that but she definetly went to develop and put what's right over how she feels, she was willing to kill sasuke just for naruto's sasuke and YES we all knew she couldn't have done it would you want to kill someone you spent all your years on getting back and someone you liked? even in the final valley when sasuke was going to fight Naruto kakashi said sakura doesn't want to have you romantically she just wants her friend back (not exactly what he said) Even tho her getting stronger was for bringing back sasuke, Naruto was still her motivation in helping him bring sasuke back and she's even said it many times that she'll get stronger with him to get sasuke back. Sasusaku is a complex dynamic so I won't touch on their actual relationship but just wanted to point out she was never romantically obsessed with sasuke after he left.
@@animesakura3557 she still ended up marrying the dude, meaning she still ahd feelings for him despite all the shitty things he did (granted the fact the story tries to ignore and forget all the shitty things Sasuke did so he can be redeemed is another issue but still)
@@sarafontanini7051 I think Sasuke should have DIED to show the futility of revenge, rather than have him just get over his revenge obsession, have him be a tragic character who was ultimately destroyed by his need for revenge. Have Sakura realise Sauske never loved her and her point of maturity being getting over her shallow crush for him.
@@sarafontanini7051 she married him 4 entire years off of what happened and why are we blaming sasuke for his actions while he was mentally ill and traumatized? I get many of you don't understand mental illness nor how it works but her marrying him is out of the question as it happened years after whatever fucked up shit he did to not only her but to her teammates aswell. Sasuke changed and took around a years by himself to be redeemed he felt sorry for his actions and desperately tried to change still years after.
@Yʊӄǟʀɨ Yǟӄʊʍօ I wasn't dragging hinata but sharing my opinon, this isn't an excuse but the TRUTH after sasuke left sakura was never ROMANTICALLY obsessed with sasuke but put her feelings aside and wanted to rescue him as a friend not as his lover which many ppl throughout the show have said so bye if you don't have anything to say don't reply to me and create uncessary attention
I find it hilarious that everyone talks about TenTen without talking about how she's the only female character to get totally screwed in the ending. She runs a weapons shop -- in a time of unprecedented peace.
@@stalinjustafellowrussianco7440 it’s not true.studies have shown that single women are happier and live longer than married women.its just a stupid,sexist stereotype.
@@stalinjustafellowrussianco7440 sexist much. As if women didn't have dreams and aspirations.. We only want to have a partner. *rolls eyes* makes sense you have Stalin as your username....
The biggest problem with Sakura is that her starting off as an airhead could have just been a starting point because she is 12 and inexperienced, but she pretty much stays that way throughout the whole series. Hinata is also a big disappointment because she had a solid backstory and her motivation could have been her wanting to change the system of her clan' after Neji's pain under it, or to surpass her father and prove her worth to him. To turn her original weakness and source of her rejection from her family and Neji's hatred in her compassion, into a strength for their clan... but nope. Its just Naruto. She only exists for Naruto.
@@BroJo676 Soy Pro Sakura Tiene mometos muy buenos, a la par de malos. Pero desarrollo no tuvo nada. O bueno casi nada, solo tuvo una pequeña evolución, que tras la aparición de Sasuke, y su batalla contra Sasori, ya no aparece más. Convirtiendo esa evolución en montón de cosas vacias y en un personaje de papel y cartón
@@BroJo676 being a physically strong character (which Sakura is) doesn't make them strong from a writing standpoint. She's kage-level but her existence still revolves around Naruto and Sasuke.
@@BroJo676 Becoming powerful isn't character development. If that's her only development over time, then just puts her, one of the three main characters, on par with Kiba and Choji as a character.
@@shadowbladesabre1945 Sakura's character development started with her realizing how of a burden she was to her teammates, Sasuke and Naruto. She used to be the bratty and pointless weakling who would always be talking ish instead being the ish. Eventually, she self-inspected, accepting all of her flaws and shortcomings to easily distance herself from those, working her ass off as Tsunade's personal trainee, educating herself better and stronger, and taking on bigger challenges. She wanted to prove herself as well as her teammates, that she no longer was that burden they had to put up with back in the day. That's growth and even Ino, her "rival", came to acknowledging that change during their Chunin Exam fight. Sakura showed herself strong-willed enough to nullify Ino's Spirit Possession jutsu (the only person in the entire series so far who's achieved such a feat). That's even the reason why Inner Sakura had started fading out of the manga little by little (Shippuden's first chapter being its last appearance) since Sakura's training eventually had her mature into a young woman comfortable enough in herself, her abilities, and her opinions. I'm not even going to mention Kakashi noting Sakura's growth in the Shippuden's first episode and during the Shinobi War. You're free to dislike Sakura but denying she's been through growth just like Naruto, Sai, or Hinata equates to actively ignoring Kishimoto's writing effort...
Apparently, Kishimoto also stated that if Sakura did move on from Sasuke, she wold be ‘a terrible woman’. Like what?! I mean, goodness forbid she stop chasing after the guy who treated her like shit for at least 99% of the second series.
Apparently so. Even if he didn’t, the implication that somebody could put you through utter hell but you’re the bad guy if you stop pursuing them is still very present.
@@pumpkinbaron9916 I think it was more so he was interested in making Sakura become interested in Naruto, but then thought that people would dislike her because she only became interested in Naruto wehn he became the hero
@@kalon2278 househusband, and it would have actually fit his personality given that he was inclined to laziness and wanting to doze off. It would have made sense for him to do housework and chores, using his shadow possession jutsu to complete them and I can imagine a scene once he is done, he just goes lying down on grass and just sleeping
This is probably why Tenten was so neglected. She was meant to be a weapons, taijutsu specialist, and powerful combatant. But since Kishimoto can't write a strong and driven woman, she was the most neglected of the Konoha 11
infact just the concept of Team Gai was really neglected I feel like a group of ninjas in naruto who dont just throw out jutsus constantly and actually make use of tools/taijutsu is cool as hell but instead almost all of them are just cast away and the focus turns to gai who is later thrown away after the war
Sakura's ending actually makes me sad. She got the husband she wanted, the man is barely home despite being affectionate towards her. Their daughter grows up with no father figure (and trust me, that can mess people up in real life). She's supposedly one of the greatest medics in Konoha, head of the medical department, etc. but somehow has trouble paying off mortgages (even with Sasuke's wetwork money pooled in, really?). And the last time we see her in the manga, my girl is dusting shelves like a common housewife. Like, why even bother making her a medical ninja with a loud but kind personality if you just gonna portray her doing common chores instead of actually using her medical knowledge in the end?
@@hydrocy.9165 and your reasons for that? You aren't entitled to your own opinion, you're only entitled to what you can argue for. Justify your statement.
@@hydrocy.9165 Dude, the video is literally about how poorly Sakura's character was written; it takes us through the could've beens and should've beens and it clearly states that it was the author's fault that Sakura's main motivation was seeking love and validation from Sasuke and in the pursuit of that she made horrible decisions. Also, you can force a horse to a lake, but you can't make him drink. There was no obligation for Sasuke to marry Sakura but he did. And it was out of love, their marriage is enough proof of that. Sasuke wouldn't have married Sakura if he didn't want to; my man can defy the laws and become a terrorist, and you think he'll bend to the will of a person to marry him if it wasn't out of his own choice? Sasuke is Sakura's husband, and he is bound to treat her right. And OP right here just points out how Sakura, despite her amazing qualities, was dimmed down to the traditional gender roles of a housewife in the Anime. Your argument seems pretty unreasonable to me.
@@hydrocy.9165 Any person would want to have a legacy left behind. Naruto wouldn't have had to use talk no jutsu on Sasuke, Sasuke would of course have wanted to carry on his clan to create a legacy. Also, if Sakura really deserved to suffer, why did she end up with Sasuke then? Don't you think that the biggest punishment for Sakura would have been to not get the person for whom she did all that she had done? What was the point of getting Sasuke and Sakura married if she didn't "deserve" to be happy? That is cause she did deserve to be happy. Trash personality, you say. She forced her love on Sasuke her whole life, you say. Did that ever negatively affect Sasuke? No. Sakura destroyed herself for him. She made decisions that negatively impacted her own life, not Sasuke's. And suddenly not everyone calling her out is her own fault? That is just blatant victim blaming. Sakura's main motivation according to the author was Sasuke so obviously he never tried to fix her obsession with him, whether through self reflection or any close acquaintance or mentor. And character development is the main point her. According to what you say, Sasuke deserved a life sentence for his terrorist activities. But he came past that point, didn't he? He deserved to get a second chance. So does Sakura. One of the best Kunoichis, the best medic in town, a dependable mentor and mother. She is one of the most wonderful characters in Boruto and no one can deny that. I am sorry if you think people cannot overcome their discrepancies and change for the better so that they can have a happier future. Sakura deserves happiness as equally as any other character in Naruto and Boruto.
@@hydrocy.9165 My intention is not to justify Sakura's actions, it is to indicate how of a person is able to overcome their shortcomings they should have the right to be happy. Hyper fixation was the main attribute linked to Sakura by kishimoto. Yes she ignored everyone and everything to seek validation from sasuke. That is bad writing, but hyper fixating is human. Also, trauma is not an excuse for someone's behaviour. Sakura was a child when she bullied Naruto. It doesn't matter if she had trauma to back it up or not. What matters is she becomes one of his best team mates in the future and therefore she overcomes her shortcomings. Sorry if I wasted your time, but it seems as if you are just blatantly hating on Sakura for personal reasons. Everyone who changes for the better deserves happiness. Please do not use the excuse of "bad intentions" to justify hate towards her. It was lack of skill on part of kishimoto, and rapid character development without any context that led straight to sasusaku ship becoming canon without delving deeper into their relationship. Also, I prefer you read Sakura hiden and sasuke shinhiden to understand how their marriage is actually happy and mutually committed.
Growing up as a girl, while watching this series, I unconsciously was drawn to the male characters and didn’t fully realize why until I got older n realized how complex and interesting they were compared to the female characters who seemed annoying, frustrating and had bs motivations/goals…I’m very disappointed b/c I love this series but I can only imagine how epic it would’ve been if Kishimoto created multifaceted, complex female characters. Especially since girls already don’t have a lot of good representation in general😔
The issue with that is we only got a spinoff because of the roles kishi put his females into that we care about so it's a catch 22..that mattered to the narrative and milking post ending... the series focused on other things so splitting screen time would hurt the story and make you less of a fan of the males villians mentors past and the show would lose fans popularity and sell less...I am sorry but sakura was the only female with real screen time then tsuande barley but mostly sakura...everyone else came and went....I barley remember any dialogue between naruto and ino and he never speaks to ten ten in the manga neither did sasuke...she barley exists
@@razkable excuse me? They could've just stop making useless and stupid fillers and focus on the actual writting, don't make up such weird excuses for an overrated anime.
@@meangengar8053 she’s not even sexualized that much. She has a big robe, not like she’s 100% exposed to us. And you’re simplifying her character down so much you completely ignored her development and character arc. And there’s still other females in the series with good writing along side her.
I wanted to check this so i googled 'what is tenten's last name naruto' and this is what i got: "Old Man. TenTen's last name is common knowledge. It's Ninja. She has 2 middle names as well, they are The and Useless, respectively." Is google fr or is this like, a quote from the anime/creator/fan?
That's why she is my favourite character in the entire franchise. If you make her a man, her story wouldn't change. Her character lacks of personality and also background but this isn't due to her being a female, but Kishimato's terrible writing. If she becomes a man Tenten would still be the same. 😌
You guys talking about how Hinata and Sakura weren't given the proper treatment, imagine me, a Tenten fan A character that was done so poorly that most of her actual characterization came from the Rock Lee comedy spin off (which is severely underrated)
@@glistening7178 Well that kinda contradicts the shounen genre title. Something that would probably get given the genre Shoujo and I doubt japan would just get rid if that separation.
@@glistening7178 Bleach and One Piece do better jobs at writing female characters. Also, Magical Girl genre is probably the closest to what you will get to in terms of that. Wonder Egg Priority is a recent show this season which you might like
Will never stop being so sad how Hinata could’ve been such an amazing representation for shy female characters but ended up just being one-dimensional and love obsessed.
God yes, I feel like she may have been one of the reasons so many male anime fans I knew in school were obsessed with the idea of having a "shy gf" who's world revolved around them lol
Is this manga seriously telling me she has no other goals in life? No aspirations, no dreams, no ambitions? She only wants to be a housewife, and that's it? That's seriously the full extent of her life's goal?
Omg read "Changing Lives with a Bang" it's awesome, it's about somebody wakes up as Deidara, before they end up just running away from the Akatsuki and joining the leaf, then adopting all kinds of characters and fixing the female characters. It's also complete so no worries about updates. Also, another fic, called "Sakura" totally awesome. Similar narrative. Finished. Then there is "The Price of Living" kind of darker, not gonna spoil cause damn. Also finished. Oh, and then there is "Sasuke" by SumiTen on archive of our own. Hilarious, and they fix Sakura's character up.
the whole argument that shounen is made for boys is weak. a lot of women enjoy stories regardless of the genre (some of us can go from sailor moon to berserk in a single second). the same can't be said about a lot of men though, why though? i think some guys are pressured by society not to seek genres like mahou and shoujos. back to the point, women love shounen so much they make their own damn series (hitman reborn, blue exorcist, fullmetal alchemist, etc) and even mangaka's like demon slayer's writer who remains ambiguous on their gender. i think better written female characters should be represented more, even in the shounens made by women, they don't even have to be on the hero's side, just write them good. we don't want sakuras, keep those.
the bit about societal pressure is especially true for japanaese culture, where these stories are made, where you're not supposed to stand out, follow traditional values and a good little cog in the machine. And this same society is also INCREDIBLY sexist. so yeah, that's the core of the issue.
@@sarafontanini7051 Shonen anime is aimed at a young, male audience and usually aims to be adventurous and energetic. Shojo anime is aimed at a young female audience and they usually include themes of romance and friendship.
I think Sakura is the one who should've had a little sister. That would give her a perfect motivation to become strong and be a good role model and support for her sister. I can easily imagine her being kinda like Itachi to Sasuke but also kicking everyone's ass to keep her lil sister safe considering her temperament.
Even Fairy Tail - a series that sexualises women all the time - had better female characters. Most of them had their dreams and goals. Kana wanted to have good relationship with her dad, Lucy wanted to write a book and go on adventures, I'm pretty sure Biska wears the pants in her marriage with Alzack and Ul was a walking legend and a disaster of a mother, if you think about it. Elza Scarlett is one of the strongest guild members and was shown to hold her own in battles, yet she is still very much a woman. She is more than just an attractive girl and more than a warrior, she is a kind and compassionate person, a loyal and caring friend.
For real though. Although the show was full of blatant fan service I eventually got tired of, and though I did not watch it for the plot as well, the dynamics of the characters were well done and I watched it for that.
I will always have respect for hiro mishima for the way he has portrayed his female characters despite the disturbing fanservices. So far as kishimoto is concerned, he has lost all my respect for being a blatant liar and a sexist pig
@@johans3164 yea. Though I'll be honest. I enjoyed Fairy Tail despite the friendship mess that it was. I watched it for the characters instead of the plot. I never thought there'd be an anime where I don't "hate" at least one female character.
@@chikitita6763 wendy marvell, the youngest cast of the fairytail manga is more well developed and mature compared to adult sakura haruno. And by sakura haruno I mean the married sakura haruno
I'm so glad someone made a video about this. I hated the idea of 'hating' either Sakura, Hinata, or Ino. I didn't want to 'hate' them but when the rest of a fanbase hates on a character, you feel weird liking them. I was just overall disappointed how the show ended, and how the girls got the guys they chased for their whole lives. This does not happen in real life, if a girl chased around a guy for 'true love' like these girls did, we would think something is def wrong here slash you have no reason to love someone who you barely know. They really had so much potential, but the whole chasing boys until they notice you really sucked. I mean, no one hated Naruto for doing the same with Sakura, like at all, even though he didn't get her. It does show the double standard. OKAY! WOW! Did not expect this response at all, but thanks so much for the likes :D! I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this way!
You see, most of them come out as pitiful or simply bad. Rock Lee is a character which I feel so disappointed with how he turned. I'm mostly irrelevant to the many female characters deeming them as simply unfortunate, but I hate Hinata and Sakura. Because so many people try to justify them and/or deny their flaws. They are downright bad characters and there is nothing to be ashamed about that. But their fanboys are so annoying that I ended up getting fed up with the characters themselves. When ppl talk about Ino or Tenten, most will simply laugh and agree that they were wasted, but if you bring either Sakura or Hinata they'll give a thousand bullshit excuses for why they are awesome when they clearly are not.
@@juksleo6257 I'll admit that part of my fondness for Sakura is because she came SO CLOSE to being a great character. You see these flashes of development and get super hype about it... and then the show pretty much glosses over it or acts like it never happened. Sakura was ALMOST amazing and I like her more for what she could've been than what she became. Plus I actually think she's pretty cool in Boruto.
naruto chasing sakura is part of his character..he thinks he can win her over for selfish reasons and he learns he was chasing the wrong person the whole time..its growth...he does spend time with her and the show wants to make sure hes not seen as gay so there you go...it makes his sasuke bond less gay for sure to show he likes women
@@theatresuicide1386 a dynamic and compelling character with a decent amount of screen time, an amusing back story, relevant to the narrative and acts towards his is own personal goal without depending on other characters to exist. A character that grows through time and develops as he grows more aware of what he is and what the world around him is like. Not all of these elements must be there at the same time, but the more the merrier.
I wish Sakura had actually hit Sasuke and tore him a new one for how he treated her and trying to kill her more than once. And this isn't coming from hate for Sasuke because I don't really hate him; I just find it wildly unfair how Sakura was never allowed to process what happened or allowed to be angry at a male character who seriously hurt her and i bet it's because Kishimoto thought a female character's emotions inconvrniencing a male character's in any way was unacceptable.
@em ma of course not. They can't sell the "fantasy " of being with Sakura if they did. Buuuut I could be wrong if she had that trauma they could sell her to the "I could fix her" crowd.
Even if One Piece sexualises their female characters so much,I can at least appreciate that they're given as much depth and personality traits as the male characters. They're also not tied to the male characters of the series. Same with Fairy Tail girls. Even if romance plays a huge role in their character,at the very least they have proven themselves to be stronger than the boys too. They also have character depth and their own character arc that does not revolve boys.
@@h.e.d9499 fam people can feel sexually attracted to anthro animals,skeletons,stickmans,anime aliens,etc. One piece female characters is far from absurdity
That's how I feel about Fairy tail. Yes and before you come with "nakama power" stuff, can we at least appreciate the fact that Erza, Mira, Wendy and Lucy had as much screentime as the male characters? And had consistent developments throughout the series. Specially Wendy.
I was looking forward to a comment like this. Female characters in One Piece are definitely better written than the ones in Naruto. In fact Nami and Robin have actual goals ,compared to like Sakura, that make sense.
just because it’s targeted towards young men doesn’t mean they can’t write good female characters. that mindset is exactly why these stereotypes are perpetuated.
this! Especially when you take into account the fact that there are LOTS of stories targeted at women that have well-written male characters. Not all obviously, but in mangas for instance, Mamoru from Sailor Moon is such a great character. He has a lot of depth, and he's such a great guy that I can see a lot of young girls wanting to date him. I've noticed that female writers TEND to make better male love interest because they want to write people that the female audience would connect with on a personal level, so they give him depth and an endearing personality (like even the cliché bad boy always turns ou to have a heart of gold and a sad backstory which give him depth). Basic male authors on the other hand make female love interest extremely shalow, just good looking and heplessly devoted to some guy. It's as if they think that's all a man could ever value in a partner, whereas female authors tend to think women value a man who has clear positive character traits beyond being cute. It reflects so poorly on men in general, when stories suposedly written for them shit out bad female characters like this. If as a man you don't feel offended that there is an entire industry that believes you're just an ape who likes big boobs and want a personal servant for life rather than an equal, well maybe you're just as trash as the industry thinks you are lol.
@Elisa Soh EXACTLY. The argument that it’s written for boys fails on at least two fronts: the one you described, and the fact a large portion of the readership is comprised of women and girls.
It's such a weird thing to say, too. I mean, most stories aren't written for horses or cars or medieval Europe, but we wouldn't use that as an excuse to write these in a boring, lazy manner. Or are they implying that they believe their readers will never be around women enough to know the difference?
Another little detail is the fact that despite Kishimoto's love for tragic backstories, not a single female character has one, UNLESS they are as a feature piece to the more important male character. Konan? side piece for Nagato Rin? literally just there to die Kushina? again, basically just there to die, overshadowed by Minato Sakura? she barely even *has* a backstory just imagine what the team 7 dynamic could have been if Sakura's parents were abusive. it would've given another angle to the question about absent families: never having parents, having them cruelly ripped away from you, or having a family but one that is cruel and vindictive. Alas she get's a generic "girl next door" origin, with her mother being one of the most house-wife looking characters I've ever seen.
in a movie kishi did not write though so...thats the issue..he only did designs for that film and gave them some ideas to use when asked like the scarf storyline...he had no input on the actual story of the film it seems...kishi is sexist and did not use her right...he literally could give a crap about pairings or hinata i have noticed...like to him shes not even a top 20 character clearly...he barley used her in the manga..chapter 700 she is not even shown with her husband showing us how much he cares about the pairs smdh he did the same with sakura ino temari and ten ten so this man clearly did not care about ships......the anime usually gives her more canon material since she will go years without being even shown in the manga.....which is a shame since like a lot of the exam characters she helped bring in most of his fanbase..no one read the first arc of the manga originally..it did not gain popularity until all the teams were shown in chapter 29 of the exams arc..thats when like 80% of the fanbase was formed cause you could relate to a team or kid character or sensei or main villain as the cast grew since the first arc is so limited in the manga to team 7 iruka hiruzen and the smaller villains....this is why people hate kishi..
@@razkable Sadly enough Kishi actually doesn't care for the ships. He originally expressed not wanting any of the characters to end up together but was pressured by his company to appease the fans that wanted pairings. Which is very much expressed in the way they are portrayed in Boruto.
Because the story's not about Hinata. Kishimoto wasn't interested in expanding anything about her character, and as such he didn't. He writes most of the important characters as guys because... I don't know, he's a guy and he has an easier time writing guys than he does girls, or because it's marketed towards young men. While yeah there's a female playerbase, they're a vastly smaller contingent that he's not going to pander to by changing his story.
@@eugene9211 the thing is it may not be about a character but that shouldn't mean you dont' keep in Line with the other characters. Don't give ability and start of development that should change them. Don't give them powerful ability and dna that should make them more relevant to story and power wise. DON'T NERF THEM TO MAKE OTHER SEEMS POWERFUL (mainly Sakura, every girls suffered that at some point, even more noticiable in boruto). That just show that you don't Care about character you introduced or don't know how to. Then don't even start developping them. Manga like HxH or FMA are interessing because even if it's not about other the MC, the other character are consistant in their power most of Time. Mc are not the only being capable of Amazing powers.
I think one character that particularly puts this into light is Kushina. When she was introduced, she declared that she wanted to be Hokage. Instead, her husband became Hokage and she became a housewife who died young without making any statement for herself beyond “Naruto’s mom” and “Last Nine Tails Jinchuriki” It’s just an interesting situation when you consider that Naruto was exactly the same as her - outcasted, wanted to be Hokage, had kids - and he managed to accomplish all of that
That's because Minato was already shown to be Hokage in the first chapter and writer was making up story as he goes, so obviously he can't make Kushina into Hokage all of a sudden because of some stupid representation.
@@kyleward7417 That does not mean that they could have done something more interesting with her. Also, since she was introduced much later when it was already clear Minato was the one to be Hokage, they just could have given her a different goal, and accomplishing this. It's not that hard.
@@thelistener5440 There are countless "could've" and possibilities, and her character wasn't really important enough for Kishi to make a whole different role for her, considering she only shows up for Naruto to get KCM mode and had no relevance to the story. "They could've given her a different Role, it's not that hard" Why? Why exactly should they give her a role? Go ahead and answer that and I might take you seriously, SJW.
@@francisconavarrete3031 doesn't make it good. if a series has to rely on obscure spin-off, where mainstream viewers/readers are less likely to see then its as good as a filler episode. its like JK Rowling giving pre-existing characters certain race or traits on her tweets when it was never mentioned in the book series when its all obvious retcons just to justify things to happen.
@@milkmatcha3698 it does , light novels in Japan tell u all the things the characters are thinking, remember kishismoto was only doing what he was told during the time he was in Shonen jump romance was a big thing and most fans didn't like the romance but he did had a big female fan base so he wanted to incorporate it to the story buthis editor and higher up told him where story should go and how to do it . That what's always happened in Shonen jump if u know any thing about jump u should know they can cancel a series anything ,Naruto most likely wouldn't of but they were afraid to lose viewers,that why he made Naruto gaiden
Sasuke only had Sakura because no sane woman would take him ; and Karin is insane and sexually depraved ..😂 so he had to marry Sakura , the only person who will put up with his bs .
Kinda wierd since the Hyuga clan martial arts is essentially bypasses physical attributes that they didn't take the opportunity to emphasized with having the shy timid become the master of it. Also, With what everyone is saying, Sakura could have been an alchemist character/ inventor.
At least Hinata had a cool backstory, the heiress of the Leaf’s most powerful clan but is pretty weak while her cousin is a genius and can’t rule due to their their fathers being twins. That’s a good story that went nowhere
@@PJDAltamirus0425 It's literally stated in Boruto writing that Hinata have mastered all the Hyuga abilities and is currently the strongest Hygua after beating Hanabi in a fight.
Sakura sacrifices her dignity for sasuke and is ready to abandon her village for him, and she faints a lot, and on top of all that instead of having demon magic or god power eyes she just heals and punches goodly. She constantly needs to be saved to top it ALL off, sasuke is almost never there for her, making her seem even more foolish.
@@kingnamor7777 the amazing thing is, katara was not only a competent battler, but a competent healer as well. So it’s not like those two things are impossible to put together. Not to mention I feel like the first couple episodes in the North Pole were specifically jabbing as Naruto and other shonen from the time (not sure if it was intentional but it was definitely a jab)
@@supreme_king_obama1158I always felt the scene was more towards general treatment on women at that current time. Although I could be wrong. Either I admire Katara strength and willingness to do anything possible to become a water bending master and use her powers to save the world and fight back against the fire nation and those who oppose her friends.
@ꜱᴏꜰɪᴀ ᴍᴀɴᴛᴇɢᴀ I agree. Because Kishimoto should've definitely taken note from series like Avatar the last airbender, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood or any other notable anime or cartoon series that is highly praise for some its episodes and how they treat their female and male characters in general.
Lets be honest, as good as naruto is it failed MOST of the characters! If you werent naruto, sasuke or an uchiha, you simply didnt matter. It was ridiculous. Even the main “villains”, the akatsuki, were barely even used. Plus the women were barely even in the story. Even in the boruto series, sarada, an uchiha, is also barely even in the story!
Sarada is basically Borutos best friend and yet she got replaced real quick lmao. The konoha 11 got wasted.....friggin Konan basically does nothing and only has 1 fight. Its ridiculous
The only difference is that while the female characters had very clear stereotypes, the male characters did not. If you were a female character, you were either boy-obsessed and shy, boy-obsessed and angry, or not boy-obsessed with like 5 seconds of screentime. This is something I think Boruto is doing better with; removing the repetitive stereotypes.
The only arcs that don't really have this issue are Chunin Exams and Sasuke Retrieval. And even in the latter's case, Sakura was once again useless in that arc. I mean, some would argue that doing nothing is a better fate than getting Sakura vs. Iino as your major fight, but it's not great either way. Anyways, at least the best character, aka Rock Lee, got some big moments in both of those arcs.
Imagine a five thousand word fanfiction fleshing out your character better than you did in 600+ episodes of content. I’d straight up never write again, I’d have dishonoured my entire family.
I think Lanipator put it best in their Naruto Ninja Storm 4: Road to Boruto playthrough when talking about Himawari. "Bort, you'll be one of the most powerful ninja the village has ever known. Himawari, you'll make a great housewife."
Seriously? Who had potential? Who right out of the eight gates made you go "now this is a well written female character. I can't wait to see where they go with her"? Who had that potential. Ino? Sakura? Hinata is about the only charterer I can think of that sort of tried to have an arc, but even she started as mumbles. Maybe I'm missing the really good female character that was really well written at the start of the show. And fuck. You know how many people I see bitching about sakura and Hinata being housewives? Are you fucking kidding me? We watched a planet sucking tree devour everyone, demigod animal transformations, multiple dimensions, and cutting the moon in half. Fuck that. If I didn't have plot armour I would have quit and been a housewife too. Fuck that kaiju shit. I like cooking. Fucking female characters were the smart ones. They saw what was out there and were like "all yours boys". I'm gonna go chill with the kids and make a bitching stew.
@@Bloodgaze there’s no real life representation of the female characters people clamor for. I’ve been to war, several times and yes there were girls who left the wire but it’s still like 10% and most were medics, sorry I would never let a woman run in front of me into a blaze of gunfire. Gender roles are there for a reason and westerners love picking and choosing which to leave in place the ones that costs men and benefit women particularly
It bothers me that Hinata began the series as the heiress of the Hyuga clan and just ends as Naruto's wife. Imagine that power couple, the Hokage and the Hyuga clan head, but she ended as a housewife. Nothing wrong with that but she had so much potential
Hinata was literally the worst character ever for Naruto to marry, I hate how she is so fucking shallow in personality in all the series except for Boruto, she is so shy that Kishimoto forgot to give her redeeming qualities for being a shy gal, just a stalker of a protag, she had really great potential with the beef between her and her sister and clan but it was wasted
I know. Though it should be noted that the whole Female Sexuality/Attractiveness=Weakness and Subservience is a very Mediteranian and Arabic idea. Japanese women traditionally where seen to be dangerous when beautiful and if not forced to be bound by duty or servitude could seduce and compell all men to do their bidding. Basically Ancient Arabs, Persians, and Mediteranian Europeans we're more likely to understimate women wile the Japanese feared what they could do if freed. At least that is how I interpret plenty of old legends from all of those cultures.
I mean...Lets look at some of the adult female characters of the show. Tsunade, despite being a drunken lout when we need her, is still pretty and rocking insane tits and a great figure, though we learn that she doesn't actually look this way, and uses her ability to stay young looking. there might be some personal justification in universe, but that's ALL kishimoto. Konan is barely a character, she could have been a doll made by Nagato and it would not have changed all that much, to go with the Yahiko doll or whatever. The snake lady wears a trenchcoat and firnexts, has huge tits and is constantly being bound and bitten. This is again, a recurring theme that while not shouting "PORN!" is always in the name of fan service. Again, all Kishimoto.
@Brandname I think you are confusing a character being sexual and a character being sexualized. The former is an internal thing that is a defiing trait, and other people in universe should notice and probably have some sort of opinion on it, regardless of whether or not it's stated to the viewer. The Latter is something done for the audience, and doesn't really add anything to the character aside from the fact that they look and good are put into fan service moments. Also, notice how you even phrase it yourself, a character "being sexualized", is an external force that could probably be removed and the character in quesiton loses nothing of value, where as some very sexual characters would lose some core part of them. Jiraiya is an old man who is a sexual deviant, it's a defining character trait and he would lose something important to who he is if that were removed, but Tsunade being sexualized doesn't alter her character at all, neither does he having huge boobs that are basically out there for the world to see. Her specific sexualization flies in the face of her more competent and noble parts, and her vanity and insecuirty about her true looks never really play a role in her character as a downside, it's just treated in the series that it's a twist for the audience that she isn't actually some hot milf type and uses power to look good. That doesn't do anything in universe, that's all for the audience. I don't know much about red sonja aside from that it seems like a conan ripoff, and that whole thing is about how muscles are better than armor, and looking good comes from that, so the best I can really say is that what you said is a flimsy and lame way to say "We want to show off nearly naked people, don't question it"
@@tonywentworth9652 I don’t think the women being objectified has anything to do with Naruto’s mental maturity. They were objectified even when he wasn’t around. Lol
meh i still feel proud of chiyo konan tsunade...they did what they were suppose to do... and both hinata and ino in the war at least ....everyone else?..yeah they sucked
Say what you will about TenTen, at least she had an admirable goal that didn't revolve around a male character (i.e. wanting to be a legendary kunoichi like Tsunade).
@@takeover2145 When? The only time she shows any interest towards neji is when she was hyping him up during his fight with Naruto, and that doesn't imply romance. Also, it doesn't change the fact that TenTen's goals didn't revolve around Neji or any of the other male characters.
@@takeover2145 maybe she did, but you don't see her proclaiming it for the whole village to hear (and making a fool of herself). Her goal wasn't about getting married to Neji, unlike the main females out there.
I think Konan could've been the most badass female character in the show. They totally wasted her by killing her off in like 2 episodes after she left the akatsuki. She easily could've served as one of the most powerful ninja on the combined ninja forces side in the war, and she even could've had moments with Nagato's reanimated body instead of Naruto getting all those moments. Or even her own flashbacks and more backstory. Nagato and Yahiko both had their motives and we understood their purpose. They each shared Naruto's dream of finding peace, and all that they made Konan do was "support their dream". She also wasn't gaga for either of her teammates, even turning down Yahiko's interest in her because they were in war times. She was one of my favourites and it was really disappointing throwing her out the way they did.
As a firm Konan supporter, I couldn’t help but feel like her final battle with Tobi was really underwhelming. This woman faked an entire lake with paper, observed and noted Tobi’s weaknesses and limitations, only to be killed off by some izanagi bullshit. Sadly, in regular Kishimoto fashion, all her potential as a character was thrown away to aid the male characters in building the plot. It also irks me that she spent a large majority of her screentime playing nurse with Nagato. Imagine if she lived and ended up joining the allies in their plan to end Madara Uchiha. That would’ve been epic.
@@venturoushope2846 Cheers to that, there were many opportunities missed with her character that's for sure. Seeing her take on Madara and helping take down Obito especially would've been awesome.
What I hated the most is that despite all the girls figthing over boys throughout the whole series, the guys never really gave a shit about the girls romantically, not counting silly crushes like Naruto liking Sakura. And thus, none of the couples that got together when they grew up makes sense (except Shikamaru and Temari, but I feel like that's only because this whole man vs woman thing was a part of Shikamaru's character). They had to give us a movie to make Naruto fall in love with Hinata because there was almost no evidence of him being interested in her romantically in the anime. Him getting super mad over her "death" in the Pain arc was such perfectly wasted potential, as it could've been a first step for him to realize he has some feelings but nothing was done about it after. Sasuke and Sakura seems even more stupid, because not only did Sasuke give zero fucks about Sakura, he even kept hurting her over and over again, and there's no way a girl keeps loving a guy that shits on them constantly unless they have serious mental issues... Ino and Sai never had a connection, other than Ino crushing over Sai's looks. And the list goes on. I get that this is a shounen anime, but if you're going to include romantic subplots, put some effort into them, at least for the main couples ffs.
Seriously. If you don't want to dedicate time to romance, or even female characters...fine...I guess...but then don't shill them if you aren't going to DO anything with them!
Ok, but Sakura having mental issues does sound likely- and that’s not a dig at her either. She literally repressed her thoughts and feelings to the point where a different entity (inner Sakura) formed. That’s not normal. (And I don’t think she’s her conscience or anything, and the point of the subconscious is that you don’t notice it. So-)
After they got married, they ended staying at home and being a housewives. Yes, Sakura is a healer, but it’s not like she’s always using physical strength to punch and do what she did during the great ninja war. She’s known to heal, and Ten Ten runs a shop, so does Ino. It’s sad. Edit: I over exaggerated now that I think of it, I would say though the part where young girls are stereotyped to like guys at a young age is the only thing that is slightly messed up, but overall it isn’t that bad
Naruto gets to be Hokage, Sasuke is basically the village's msot famous criminal. Sakura....I dunno, is a healer I guess? yeah, if you have a penis, you get to be someone. If you don't? you get to be nobody. Fuck Kishimoto.
@@sarafontanini7051 I am sorry but this doesn't make any logical sense. So it is useless to be a "healer" even though Doctors save people? You don't even know Kishimoto personally yet you hate him so much. You need to reevaluate yourself just as I have. I use to hate people for almost no reason, but not anymore. Have a good day.
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Great video like always!
What will you do after this?
One of Kishimoto greatest problems wasn’t even that he couldn’t write woman.
It was he couldn’t write characters who didn’t have Sharingan or Harshirama cancer.
I mean Rock Lee, Temari, Neji, Anko were very similar. They had a Few Episodes just dedicated to them that made them AWESOME and fan favorites. But then they are forgotten about.
Hell I’d say Kishimoto is very true to Gender Equality. Every side character is forgotten about or shafted no matter their Gender or looks.
I all ways proseaved this as the ww2 or Korean war in the timeline women all be yes in the war not in the front line boroto being modern-day
Much appreciated. Can't wait for a Sasuke vid.
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You know it's bad when your main female character's goal is based around trying to build a romantic relationship with one of the main male characters. I love Naruto as a series but Kishimoto's excuses for not being able to write female characters just doesn't sit right with me.
If he doesn’t know he doesn’t know.
Even Oda, who also has some sexist ideas (I say, even as a massive fan of his work who respects the man as a writer otherwise), is capable of writing women with more dimensions to them than "wants to kiss a dude".
Hell, he even has a better written female big bad than Kishimoto too.
@@donrog5035 That's not an excuse if you're writing for a big company like Shounen though.
@@alvinanis3006 it’s not as if he didn’t warn us. He told us he doesn’t know how to write female character. Indeed it’s not an excuse but you can’t blame a man who knows his limits.
He’s better now, I hear.
I hate how they never talked about what hinatas father did to her or the affects it had. Even in boruto they were just sorta like "he used to be a little strict lol" when he litterally abandoned hinata when she was a child bc she was too weak. Neji got more time warming up to him then his actual daughter did.
I was pissed about that. You would think that once Naruto understood the details he wouldn't want anything to do with his in-laws. You would think that he would have taken a page from the shitty Third Hokage and pull with the Hyuga Clan what the Old Geezer pulled with the Uchiha Clan. I mean the only other person that he liked from that clan was Neji and he suffered the same fate he had been avoiding his whole damn life.
@@WeirdTale well remember naruto and hinata's relationship is based on bs so it's only natural that he wouldn't care about how his wife was treated lol
@@tonguepop9453 In a way yes, but in a way no. If Naruto had noticed Hinata's feelings for him when they were still Genin, or Hinata had grown a spine when they were 14 and declared her undying love for the boy that rebelled against the world that shunned him, while she was always afraid of the authority figures in her life then it could have worked. Basically instead of jerking us around with the Sasuke bullshit, Kishimoto could have had Team 7 and Team 8 do frequent assigned Espionage missions involving Shadow Clone and Byakugan shared reconnaissance for the Fire Country or something. Kishimoto had an insane amount of good tools and powers in his worlds sandbox but he didn't use them for any character progression and constantly relied on running gags. Naruto is a story told with decent art at the beginning with impressive moments at the start, but that latter did not payoff the way we expected. If anything even if it is a low bar Naruto is one of those few stories in the early 2000's where the girls and women for the most part are the ones that choose the guys they love and do not regret it later. None of that the guys make the first move and have to prove themselves to not be loosers to them. Or that any of the women are in abusive or bad relationships with "hot" but ultimately dumb and selfish men so they go with the more noble hero. Or that they view relationships as something completely bad and unnecessary so they forgo love all together until the "right" guy comes along and is convincing enough to prove them otherwise. The girls in Naruto at least choose and had good enough judgement that the long run it shows that they dot chose badly.
The whole hyuga plotline was just forgotten
@@WeirdTale That's because, for all of Naruto's grand speeches about changing the world, Naruto never actually changed anything. He pep talked and punched his way into making everyone submit and give up on warring (Sort of). Naruto never changed nor did even think about changing the actual fundamental issues of the world. He is the sort of person who thinks everything can be solved with a hug. Actually trying to grasp the complexities of the world goes far above his head.
Of course, this is basically the same for most action shonen protagonists. But Naruto brought up a lot of interesting themes in the story and it never really went anywhere with them.
What Kishimoto did too Hinata’s character pisses me off so much. I relate to her social anxiety and her fear of disappointing others a lot. I wanted too see her prove her father wrong and become a badass. It was so disappointing to watch what Kishimoto would do as the years went by.
It would've been WAY more interesting if she didn't end up with Naruto and it shows her independence to let go, could've been the same damn thing for sakura. But she's so emotionally reliant on him it gets annoying
@@MugdhaSharma2011 UM EXCUSE ME?! If that were true then why didn’t she become bad when Sasuke went missing for God knows how long. I’m just gonna give the benefit of the doubt and hope that the creator isn’t that dumb. lol.
I also hate the underdeveloped relationships between these couples. Like what the video said, he believed in the chemistry brotherhood between sasuke and naruto MORE than the ‘canon’ couples now. There’s barely any build up for their growth, let alone their own character motivation as individuals. It sucks it had to be this way
This is why I trash all of them equally. In fact I kinda hate Hinata more because her character revolved solely around being noticed by "Naruto-kun", I hate character whose defining trait is liking someone else, is like they can't exist outside the sphere of said character. Kishimoto sucks at writing females and the worst part is that he admitted it himself. Admitting your flaws is the first step into improving, but he didn't improve nothing on his following series. Maybe that's why it got axed
@@juksleo6257 ugh Hinata is basically JUST another version of Orihime. ‘Kurosaki kunnnn!!’ Like I notice that the MC’s(not all but mostly in shonen) ended up with these characters who liked them for the longest time, submissive and revolves every single thought process around the crush, but the mc barely gave them any attention, and suddenly when they got together it just doesn’t makes sense because their devoted crush since day 1 felt one sided.
Like what’s the point of their existence?? To just be the hot submissive crush with big boobs with barely any self plot of purpose and nothing more? Yes. That’s basically it.
That’s also saying you should just be with that hot crush who likes you coz...they’re hot and they like you. Lol.
@@sakasusuk I also dislike Orihime. The main factor of why I'm team Noelle in Black clover is because Mimosa reminds of everything I hated on those two.
The whole bit about women being the healers was so infuriating to me, cuz Tsunade did mention that training medical ninjas was hard because they needed to have perfect chakra control + memorizing lots of studies. Wouldn't it have made more sense to make Shikamaru the healer of the Ino-Shika-Cho trio? Considering he's already the smartest person there. Hinata and Neji could've both learned healing techniques too considering they can literally see the flow of chakra and arguably make the healing better, but instead they just made the technique exclusive to the female characters, Ino, Rin, Granny Chiyo, etc.
Ino is a medical nin in the anime only. In the manga, homegirl is not.
It is genuinely weird that Hinata and Neji aren't healers. It seems like they should be *perfect* for it
Ino with her family technique was more suited to learning under Ibiki, the interrogation specialist, than Tsunade. She seems more like the gossip girl who would constantly gather info on everyone around her. Heck, I'm surprised Kabuto's info cards in the chuunin exams didn't inspire her to do something similar.
Perhaps if he made Hinata or Neji medical ninjas overshadow Sakura, Neji would surely have been superior, and Hinata by genetic advantage could develop more power than Sakura, Hinata's personality was more suitable as a medical Ninja. In fact, Sakura was given powers for battle, because without that she would be even more inconsequential.
@@InfernosReaper Neji would surely have been a medical ninja much superior to Sakura, and Hinata would surely have at least equaled Sakura, basically, they took away the only thing in which Sakura would excel and be of good support.
The worst part is that the women had some of the most interesting powers in the Naruto universe. Sakura and Tsunade could literally punch boulders into oblivion. Ino had the ultimate intel ability to possess people, see/hear through them, and even connect the consciousness of multiple people for thought sharing. Tenten had a nearly infinite pool of projectile weapons (eat your heart out, Gilgamesh). And Konan literally parted the sea with her paper seals.
To this day, I cant believe that the Manga pushed the females aside by accident or poor writing. It must have taken effort to make so many powerful/nuanced powers worthless in the grand scheme of the show, and that's when we are only considering ninjutsu.
That's not really more interesting, anything Sakura and Tsunade could do with their strenght, the actual strong people could do better (Madara just drawing the sword of his Perfect Susano'o)and healing is usefull and Sakura kept Naruto alive in the War when he lost Kurama but, ultimately, not flashy enough for Shonen. To posses people Ino had to send her mind to the target leaving her body defenseless. Tenten didn't have that, she had a bunch of random normal weapons inside scrolls(a very finite number) and as Temari showed very useless, there was nothing special about them, don't compare to Gilgamesh which with his swords could actually pierce mountains and kaiju, not even gonna say more about the actual special weapons he has, Tenten thing was throw a bunch of weapons and hope it does something. For Konan to do that she needed a lot of time and preparation and it was an one off thing, a last effort to kill Tobi, not something she could do again(without more time and prep).
literally ino could’ve been so cool honestly i was rooting for her and ten ten but look at where we are😔
@fire lord No, not even close, just explaining what they had to work with because Kishimoto didn't give them much. Most of it was generic, and I agree it was a waste of characters, but KISHIMOTO needed that sweet Op Hax Eyes GG or Monster Inside you makes you god thing.
hinata?...the hyuga style is so cool
@@razkable well yeah but honestly ten ten was the only female ninja out of the kunoichi in the leaf village that was trying to become a strong ninja but for herself and not for somebody else or some boy.. like hinata and sakura and partially ino. But she still didn’t get any screen time at all. (coming from a hinata stan)
I hate the argument that "Shonen is made for boys" like that's a valid reason to not put any effort into writing an interesting female character. FMA is just as much a shonen as Naruto is but even the most irrelevant bg female characters are better written than any of the main female characters in Naruto.
Winry,Lust,Izumi and Olivia are good characters.
@Hani Mohamed Abdullahi There's an "r"?
@Hani Mohamed Abdullahi That's confusing.
@Yʊӄǟʀɨ Yǟӄʊʍօ Her too.
Honestly, the women in Naruto are most different types love struck weirdos(except Tenten).
Ino(she's still thirsty for him even when she's married) and Sakura were annoying.
Hinata was practically a stalker.
Temari and Karin were Tsunderes.
Tenten was the only normal one.
Ikr i am a girl and i am way more into shounen then any other genre
if anything i think the anime ADDED a lot of sexism instead of toning it down. in the manga, becoming a medic takes a lot of time and skill, but in the anime literally all the women do it... because they're women? idk. it also upholds hinata as being perfect for naruto just because she's quiet, shy, busty, and obsessed with him. they never really help each other grow or change or even have a conversation that doesn't involve hinata fainting, running away, or declaring her love. she's basically a side character for most of the show who has no ambitions other than getting with naruto. i really wish they'd done more with her.
I agree bro. Hinata is a good character but is poorly written. She only got her big moment in Naruto the Last and that was just sad.
@@ghostlyyin I was very disappointed by hinata honestly. She had a great backstory but she never lived up to that potential. Imagine if she became the head of the Hyuuga clan and abolished the caged bird seal in Neji's memory or something! But instead she's just focused on romance like every other female character except Tsunade.
@@ghostlyyin the last wasn't even written by kishi he wouldn't have given her that too lol
@@georgespiggott5615 ... and except for Tenten! She is at some point shown to care for Lee in what could be seen as a romantic interest, but it is so vague that it could be as well not be there. The fillers actually did a great job with SOME of the female characters (like showing the development in the second Chunin Arc, and having solid female characters like Guren and Fuu), but the authors totally missed the opportunity to do something with Hinata. Maybe they expected there will be something by Kishimoto himself in the main story, but it never came, and then it was too late.
But I totally agree with the medic stuff. I was so annoyed by that!
@@thelistener5440 fun fact: in the manga hinata is on fewer pages than tenten
The "shounen is for young men so the female characters don't have to be complex" excuse always makes me laugh considering how the most poorly written female characters in shounen also tend to be the most hated by that same audience
in their mind "only boys like shounen" 🤓
It's also completely false, one piece for instance has a lot of female fans. I think one piece handles the women better (although it still has it's issues).
@@mohammedu7105 That is also the reason I like onepiece , they actually made female character relevant to the plot like without them luffy can't become the pirate king
@@mohammedu7105 This. I was pleasantly surprised at how fleshed out the female characters are, especially right off the bat with Nami. Like you said there's still some obvious flaws but I ended up loving way more of the female cast than I was expecting for a popular shounen.
@hieutv5109 Eiichro made an extremely wise decision with his female characters. It's obvious from the start that Nami would not be able to keep up with the starting crew in terms of strength and fighting ability, but the writer substitutes this by giving her an extremely important role in the crew. Her being the navigator is virtually the backbone of the straw hats' accomplishment of their goal. Without her, Luffy and Co wouldn't have made it to the grandline. Same with Robin, even though her devil fruit has potential, she plays a very important role in that she is the archeologist and one of the very few people who can read ponygliphs. Without her, Luffy is not making it to Raftel, making her an extremely crucial character to the story.
It baffles me how people don’t understand that women are humans with souls..
Upset would be an understatement to that statement
By beyond upset I mean that women aren’t seen as humans with souls by some people
Humans? Yes. Souls? No lol.
@@averagedemocrat9546 ok incel
@@caz1113 You hate wymin? INCEL!!!
I remember being a young girl who wanted to be a doctor, I really looked up to Sakura and admiring how she could go from being whiny and relatively shallow ill tempered person to finding her niche and a way to be strong that doesn’t come from winning the genetic lottery. I grew up with these characters, I remember watching the Sakura vs. Sasori fight and feeling so proud and excited that someone like me could genuinely be incredibly strong and powerful in their own right. And then as the series continued I just became more and more...confused? Disappointed? Angry? At who she was becoming. At who they all were becoming. You said it best. Naruto will always have an incredible special place in my heart, but what was done to the women in the series almost makes it so painful
i feel hinata at least was used the way the author wanted..shes a small character who shines bright when you least expect it ...its not her story..its narutos....with sakura the issue is shes on screen so much and we have to put up with so much of her bs that when she does something we are underwhelmed cause we expect more from a main character...she really is a bad representation of females in general...she grows for a fight then regresses again
@@razkable not her fault. It’s the writers fault for making her that way.
@@christylouis2611 people need to criticize kishimoto more tbh. I can't believe he got away with being this misogynistic.
I really feel this. I really felt that Sakura was really competent compared to others her age level, but either that it was never properly utilized or was just completely outshined by Sasuke and Naruto. I absolutely LOVED her in the beginning of Shippuden, then as you said, then was just really sad seeing her becoming what she used to be. I keep thinking back to the Sasori fight where she did really well, and then thinking of the bridge not too many episodes later where they confront Orochimaru (or was it Kabuto?) where she was just tossed aside :(
@@NaNa-wy2tk "misogynistic" Big fuckin words. Literally majority of side characters not just women were sidelined and given less screentime you utter spoon. "Misogynistic" because two fuckin Kages are female. what's next? Racist because Raikage is black and a Kage? Let's play the gender game and I'll complain Sailor Moon author for being misandrist because of all female main.
If shojo anime can write developed male characters then shounen can write developed female characters.
this, right here.
Fullmetal alchemist was written by a woman and has two male protagonists full of depth. Kishimoto has no excuse.
@@marajade9573 THIS
Demon slayer was written by a woman too
PREACH 👏👏👏👏👏
This is the mark of a true fan. Someone who clearly loves the world and characters in it, but is not blind to the shortcomings inherent in that world. Respect. Also cool analysis.
Agreed
Yh I agree it’s female characters were done dirty but there are ppl in the comments saying it’s ass and needs to be rewritten just cos of the female characters and that I disagree with. Naruto is a masterpiece and peak fiction imo
I disagree. Some of this guy's arguments could be made towards the guy characters in the story as well. Out of all the criticisms towards Naruto, this has got to be the weakest one. I mean, "the female characters always get saved by the men" Were you not paying attention when Temari literally stepped in to save Shikamaru from his fight against one of the Sound Ninja Four who... *gasp* ...was also a woman.
@Takeover21
I get what your saying but at the same time, that is one of the very few times way a female character has saved the male character without healing. I am only about halfway in part two, even though I know what happens and who dies and stuff, but even if I didn't know that stuff I would still agree.
P.S. not trying to hate, just wanted to point out that if your saying things like that you should know that it's very rare.
@@mikemurray329 No, I'm not trying to say that the female characters in Naruto are perfect. They are definitely under-developed and under-utilized in the series. HOWEVER, the person in this video is painting it so that it seems like ONLY the female characters in the series get this treatment when, in actuality, every character aside from Naruto and Sasuke, or who has a Sharingan, gets this treatment. Rock Lee gets this treatment; Neji gets this treatment; Kiba gets this treatment; Sai gets this treatment; Yamato gets this treatment; Shikamaru gets this treatment; and Choji gets this treatment. That is the source of the problem.
Sakura: invents anecdote that a whole frickin villiage couldn't figure out in less than 20 minutes and beats the crap out of Sasori
Kishimoto: "Alright that's enough feminism for today"
Edit:(Not y’all arguing down there lmaooooo)
Absolute awesome coment
Ehhh. I would consider that just 'girl power' instead of feminism. But yeah you have a point.
@@miss_chelles1338 Yeah, screw feminism.
That must have been quite the story
Modern feminism sucks. enormously. hard.
It’s because of stories like this that basically every single girl has had at least one boy tell her they like her because “they’re not like other girls”
Explain? How? hows does that relate?
@@Gadget-Walkmen Because women in real life are not that one dimensional and are real people with real personalities and motivations. Honestly even sadder than the fact that women see females characters written as poorly as this, is that men see women as being this shallow after watching.
When a boy says that, he probably means ''You're not mean and bitchy like the other girls''
Also, Rin was fridged. For those who don’t know fridging means killing off a female character for manpain. The name comes from green lanterns girlfriend being killed and put in a fridge, just to motivate him to fight a villain. Now, think about Rins death. She was killed off to give Obito hate for Kakashi, and Kakashi more baggage. That’s it. That’s fridging.
I was thinking the same thing!, and peaple shoud talk more about female being fridged in anime
@@eveecat5198 i am fairly confident male characters get also fridged all the time. The mentor archetype is mostly made of Male characters getting fridged for example.
@@noukan42 they even did that with naruto lol
I love the term manpain lmao
@@noukan42 The definition of the term is specifically for girls, so no.
And even if shounen is targeted towards boys, that doesn't mean boys don't need/want to see well-written female characters. What kind of mindset would a young boy develop, only seeing women in media chase after men, with no function except to serve others?
hinata did the opposite of what you wrote but ok..live in a fanatsy world..idiots...
Same thing with writing dumbed down films targeted for kids just because it's for kids it doesn't mean they can't tell a story is bland
@Will Diesel do you really not understand how much influence media has on people?
@Will Diesel “smoking is bad” is obvious for most people but misogyny being bad isn’t obvious for some and they think it’s normal and they well think it’s more normal if they keep seeing it in media and yes I agree a lot of parents are bad parents therefor a lot of kids and teenagers are being thought by media more than by their parents
@Will Diesel underage smoking is as bad as irrationally hating half of the population I’m just saying the impressionable children you’re talking about learn stuff from a lot of different places and they will act the way they are taught so if society teach them women’s ultimate purpose is to serve and support them they will think that way they don’t just find stuff on their own and that’s why racism homophobia and sexism exist.
Bothered me beyond belief that they all became housewives
Ino didn't she's the head of the intelligence division and Yamanaka clan. But you wouldn't be able to tell bc it's never brought up. Sakura is the head medical shinobi in the hospital, yet once again.... never brought up or focused on.
@@sageseeker9197 well shit
It seemed so out of character. Temari offends me the most because she was my favorite female character in the first two shows and in Boruto she's reduced to an abusive tsundere mom cliche who has nothing better to do than to stay home and nag her husband and kid. And that's another thing I can't stand about Boruto... Way to ruin your only decently-written and somewhat understandable romantic relationship, Kishimoto. -_-
Sakura shoulda been Vice to Narutos leadership.
Literally what's wrong with being a housewife? It even makes narrative sense for some characters like Hinata who grew up in a strict family with no love to be the one who gives love and take care of 3 kids. Other females only have being housewives as side jobs while their main is serving the village in some way.
The truth is....Naruto and Sasuke ending up together makes more sense than NaruHina and SasuSaku lol
For many of anime fans they were first gay ship.: ) But seriously, they have so much sense than any of female male pairings in Boruto. Just seeing that scene when two go in past conforms it.
I mean, even Naruto and Sakura getting together would have made some sense. I mean I saw them more as siblings cause they had that kind of energy, but even so they would have made a little more sense than Sakura and Sasuke bc they would have spend all that time together trying to get Sasuke back.
Also, Hinata should had an arc where she takes back her place as the Hyuga heir. Just saying.
it would be at least as toxic as sasusaku, tho, sasuke ending up with anyone from the original team 7 is so messed up because both naruto and sakura had an unhealthy obssession on him and he just tried to kill them multiple times in response, man should've ended alone
@Batman what? homosexuality is not something to be "promoted", it's like saying "let's not promote blond hair", people are born like this and it's completely normal and natural, you know? let's not promote homophobia
@Batman nigga I know you trolling but don’t use Batman’s name to promote it
“It’s human nature not to realize the true value of something, unless they lose it.” - Orochimaru
maru was fine representation of non binary.
@@sparkyphantom92 Its true. But orochimaru does have some good original shit. My fav quote of his is what he said to kimimaro. "Maybe there is no purpose in life, but if you linger a while long enough, you might just find something of value in it. Like how you discovered that flower, or how I found you."
Yo JT!!
@ICEcold JT bruh i just seen you in the comments of vontoocut’s latest vid 😂
@@nullakjg767 he do be spitting even though he was a crazy snake 🐍 😂
If I was a boy, I'd feel insulted by knowing that the writer of a series I really liked, thought that I was too stupid to understand the concept of women as three dimensional characters, and therefore chose not to flesh them out, only for the series to suffer.
As a boy, I can tell you this is exactly what I feel. It doesn’t diminish my love for the series, it just makes it a bit lesser in my eyes.
@@supreme_king_obama1158 It's a shame, because it is not only insulting, but it further perpetuates the same negative stereotype they think they're catering to, while the quality suffers in the process.
The pygmalion effect is real.
Boys and girls won't learn what they're not being taught after all.
@@Zeverinsen although I recently learned that the writer of the series did not intend for the females to be treated this way, he was just very bad at writing female characters (doesn't excuse his actions but that's not the point of this comment) and he states that if he could go back and write it all over again he would give the females more agency and make them better characters. Once again I state that it does not excuse what he did, but it does shed some light on the situation that makes things a bit better.
@@supreme_king_obama1158 It is indeed a rampant problem in the world of fiction, but sadly also in the world of facts.
There are several mangas I wouldn't be angry about being rewritten for several reasons, including this.
If Kishimoto wrote Naruto today instead, maybe I would've liked the series.
@@Zeverinsen yeah. I think after kishimoto said he was returning to write boroto everybody got extremely worried, but he's doing a surprisingly good job with sarada. He kept her motivation to be hokage the same and kept her agency, and which the path we see the series going, i doubt that boroto is going to become hokage and sarada a housewife. I only hope the series continues the way it's going and we get an important female who fights on the front line and isn't a healer or trophy
People always love saying Sakura is useless and it’s like nah the man who wrote her made her useless
Sakura is useless.
@@kyleward7417 she is not .its just bad writing
Totally agree blame kishimoto
Hinata , tenten them being useless should be blamed on kishimoto
if anything she is the opposite of useless. Even in the beginning of missions, she showed to have even more guts than Naruto himself.
I heard someone say "credit to kishimoto for admitting that he cannot write female characters well." Its a lame excuse to cover up the rampant sexism in the manga and anime.
At least he knows it. There better be improvement after he aknowledged that. Otherwise, he is ignoring this issue.
How is that sexism? He doesn’t know how to write females character because he doesn’t understand them, in one of his interviews kishimoto said he doesn’t understand his own wife. Stop throwing the word sexism around like that.
@Dr.Sawbones He wrote Sarada's base character
@Dr.Sawbones Kishi also wrote Naruto Gaiden; the novel where Sarada received the most development. He definitely has improved.
@@reinaldomanuel8488 While sexism is a real issue, I agree that the word is thrown around too lightly. By others that are possibly as narrow minded as sexists
Remeber that one movie where when Hinata was alone she stealthed the shit out of things and nearly rescued herself, but as soon as Naruto showed up she forgot she was a ninja.
Which movie was that?
Shades of Yuzu and Yuya...
@@christopherb501 no that’s not the one😭
@@jksn788 I was relating another show, Yugioh Arc-V. Never seen a Naruto movie.
Yeah, that guy destroyed the moon with one punch, and then kill himself; she had a reason to be' a little concerned
One thing I think people always forget to mention when criticizing something for poor quality work fueled by misogynistic writing is the effect it has on men in the real world. The ideas it puts into young boys that women are shallow, weaker, sexier versions of men is so harmful to young boys and so it's hilarious when people say "well the main audience is teenage boys" as if it's not harmful to them. Misogyny in anime never directly hurts women cause most women I know prefer to watch anime's without it and so it can only hurt the young boys who are subliminally indoctrinated with this fantasy. And every one knows that kids will always chase fantasy over realism especially the ones who love anime so no doubt it might contribute to a harmful, shallow fantasy that forms their idea of how women should be and how they should therefore treat them. I mean when you try and make a meaningful relationship out of any of these antiquated, shallow and misogynistic/misandrist expectations then you will always fail. You can't spin gold with straw.
I think they are at fault for not being able to differentiate between reality and fictional world, considering they decided to chase after ONE fictional show over hundreds of real encounter they will have or had with females in real life, and one must be incredibly stupid to take a message which isn't the part of the themes in the show.
And to speak generally, all of us are influenced by media whether we like it or not.
1. Boys aren't raised in a vacuum.
2. Are you also upset about the way Hollywood writes women these days ?
@@shroobzzz Speak for yourself dumbfk, I haven't been influenced by any show for Shi. And neither is a show obligated to teach you any values, if you get influenced by it, it's your fault. Simple.
@@daniel-zh9nj6yn6y the fuck are you talking about?
The weirdest thing about Naruto is that Naruto himself exists. Like I know that children are trained killers from like age of 5 and that basicly there is nothing impossible but like we are shown that there was period of at least few years that Naruto spent all by himself and seeing Third few times a month to recieve his money. Like how did kid younger than 6 learn to dress himelf, cook, clean, bathe himself? How did he learn to use money he was given? I am not psychologist but I know that he would have at least some issues being all alone, hated by everyone and that wouldn't be just vandalising statues. He would be dirty, unkempt have at least some speach or cognitive issues, emotional issues and would have some trouble functioning in society and be at least partly feral. Like there are real kids left alone and they aren't that functioning. That is if he didn't burn his house while trying to cook something and die or I don't know got lost wandering and die. He is only alive because of the Kuramas healing powers and sourely they were weaker when he was baby. But the craziest think in the whole anime has to be small kid left alone for days. Even Sasuke was babied by his family at first
Well, this is another plot hole to the list
Honestly yeah. My best guess about Naruto is that the third to some extent took care of him, but from a distance so he wasn't so much Naruto's dad, but just someone who paid the kids rent and made sure he bathed. But the show never gives us an actual answer about this stuff so that's probably not the case.
I hate that Jiraya was his godfather and left him alone to fend for himself all those years. The rest of the adults in the village did the same. Were there NO families or adults at all who would be willing to take in the hokage's newborn baby?! It makes them all look totally incompetent, careless, and/or like horrible heartless people. But I doubt that's what Kishimoto intended, so I attribute it to him not thinking about this massive plot hole, or ignoring it so Naruto could have a depressing backstory- all of which was, btw, avoidable, unnecessary, and pointless.
@@dreamingblue3939 I never thought about that before. I suppose to the rest of the hidden leaf, even though he is the Hokages son, there's the whole nine tailed fox thing which is why no one wanted to adopt him. As for Jiraya, he is an asshole for that. Like my man knew and was fine with Kushina, so he doesn't even have the excuse of 'fox scary :('
@@bluebird1914 I still don't understand why he left and no one questioned this... I almost want to go back and see if Kishimoto tried to explain it or if it was just never addressed at all. But if I had to make a wild guess I'd say it was the latter. :/
I'm glad to see there are other people who enjoy Sakura in the first Shippuden arc, in my eyes that is the best version of Sakura and by the end of the arc after a top tier fight against Sasori with Chiyo and learning from her, even as a kid, I felt excited about what Sakura was going to become. Especially seeing how far she had come since the start of the series, and then everything just devolved completely from there and I was only left wanting more of Kazekage rescue arc Sakura
She has her moments after but yeah fight wise she only had the sasori fight really...
Considering the fact that we don’t get too many Sakura moments in shippuden that’s comparable to what she did in the kazekage rescue arc, it’s not much of a surprise
Can't believe they made temari a housewife makes no sense for her character
Shikamaru spends as much time in the office with Naruto so she kinda had to be if they didn't want to hire a baby sitter or nanny. Plus people change, especially when they have children
But to be fair its hard to give her a high position in Konoha, coz she is from another village and Konoha people could be jealous
It doesn't fit her character at all in my opinion.
@@Zaliyahh u telling me head of clan doesn't have money for a sitter...
I think it doesnt make sense that they had a child, it would have been much cooler if Temari became a shinobi that was travelling around the world and doing badass shinobi stuff while Shikamaru was stuck in office. This would have made for an interesting dynamic, Shikamaru being sometimes jealous of Temari because she can live an active shinobi live while he is busy with paperwork.
honestly, the women didn't even feel like the 50s housewife's cuz even they had like a role, they were just like...a footnote, they were just there, and whenever they did anything it was because they needed to help further some plot. Honestly I cringe at the show nowadays,
Sadly, the Hyuga Clan and the Byakugan were wasted, They were set up in part one to be on par with the Sharigan...but once Naruto topped Neji, who had topped Hinata, they were in the rear view. Very sad writing with that and the women.
Fr the fucking Kamui, Izanami, Izanagi, the Eternal Mangekyo Sharingan, The Mangekyo Sharingan, the sharingan's genjutsu abilities. I wish it were only used for seeing in more frames per second, and copying jutsus like in the Zabuza arc.
Exactly , if they did that same shit again in boruto I will be pissed . Hyuga clan is such a wasted potential. I hate that boruto is not learning something more hyuga I mean boy can see chakra point with jougan so they should train him in hyuga household . I'm okay with sasuke being his Sensei but can he train with his Pops atleast .He can learn sage mode . I swear if himawari is wasted after awakening her byakugan without any training the writers are playing favourites. Fuck it .
@@starlight-yr7pf Ikr, Himawari is my favorite character and if they made her awaken her byakugan at like 5 (i think)and then make her weak/not do anything with her power, than im gonna drop it
@@starlight-yr7pf yeah well Himawari is a prop at this point. Really sad.
Another thing is that we forget that the ninja academy was preparing children to go to war! The mortality rate was high and all the male characters had a valid reason to join however Sakura ino and hinata joined for a crush ?!?!
Sakura joined for the crush(she was from a civilian family), Hinata and Ino are from ninja clans, they would be sent there anyway
@@GabrielMoura-qe1xr none of them joined for crush, their crushes started after attending the academi
Being a ninja is in general a profitable job and the time they became students and later gennins was free of war
After the 3 great wars there was not much going on aside from small criminals and some rough ninjas until later in the series when akatsuki showed up which was an undercover organisation and they definetly weren't rasing shinobi to fight them
@@abobanger9054 nope. Their crushes started when they were children. Not all children join the academy and we know they don't because there are people with regular jobs that have nothing to do with being ninja.
@@abobanger9054 Sakura joined for her crush
@@BabyGirlTiny they joing the academi as kids, at age 5 at lates
Kakashi was there at age 5 and became a gening in same age, a chunin when he was 6 and a jonin when he was 11/12
Edit: and sakura found out that she liked sasuke after she saw him in the academie, that was already after he lost his clan
Thank you so much for this. Too many fans want to hate the female characters without actually digging deeper and analyzing they these characters are written! If anything, hate the writing decisions made by the writers.
Of course Sherlock they are written, hating the characters is hating the creators writing in itself.
@@kyleward7417 it’s not a Sherlock moment. A lot of the complainers don’t even know why they hate the characters, most people don’t dig that deeply
@@jalenhart7651 So? At the end of the day what matters is if they liked a character or not, and they aren't bounded to explain themselves to anyone for it.
@@kyleward7417 you really a hypocrisie selfish simp
And then they start to project these tropes onto real-life women ... and wonder why they cannot find a girlfriend.
This is why I live for Naruto fanfic. So many well-written ones where Sakura and Hinata grow to their full potential.
Recommendations for non-fans? or in general?
@@christopherb501 My absolute favourite is Sakinthra's "Second Bite at the Cherry" (archiveofourown.org/works/15001781), in which Sakura becomes precisely what the world of ninjas sorely needs. Another, much shorter one is "Into the Water" (archiveofourown.org/works/13759833). While "Find Your Place (whatever it takes)" (archiveofourown.org/works/14112045) is much darker and hasn't been updated in a while, it's very much worth a read too. And Branch's wonderfully written "It’s Just That Any One of Us Is Half Without Another One Is You" (archiveofourown.org/works/230916) features Sakura x Sasuke x Naruto (as in, they're all in love with each other) if you prefer some romance. By the same author is Hinata-centric "Cloud Hands" (archiveofourown.org/works/267550). Finally, I recommend "(i promise you that) we're marching on" (archiveofourown.org/works/1172719). There's more, but these are the ones off the top of my head. Enjoy!
@@akiralee9934 Thank you for the links and doing God's work. Glad that more fanfic writers do that
@@a2-2b-9s No problem! Hope you enjoy them. 😄
@@akiralee9934 Ayo, I'm thinking of trying Naruto out. Should I watch the shows, read the manga, and then look at the fanfics? Or should I watch the show and then look at the fanfics-
Aot has great female characters so thank you iseyama for not being like the guy who made naruto
Yeah I prefer the way the female characters were handled in AOT. I just saw them as badass characters rather than focusing on gender.
Ah yes. Anime that may as well make me bi
We need to thank God that not every writer is like Kishimoto LOL
@@johans3164 I agree
Oh boy, that anime\manga is FIRE.
All the characters are good and interesting, all the female characters are well written and so are the male characters, and there is very little fan-service(half-naked Levi and Eren scenes are fan-service to me lol). Aaand there are man-buns and beards👌
Isayama is the GOAT.
Kishimoto admitted he had his problems, but Sakura's regression was exceptional.
Yes Sakura regressed a lot.
What regression?
Sakura had a fantastic arc. A deep emotional one. The haters are just sexist incels. She's not badly written
@@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ that's not an argument that's called complaining
@@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ she is badly written and this is coming form a girl
@@ΑΡΙΣΤΟΤΕΛΗΣΛΑΧΑΝΟΠΟΥΛΟΣ her characterization is inconsistent and frustrating. She is a badly written character and it’s frustrating because she could’ve been something great.
Tenten got done dirty. She was the most individual lipstick compared to the other women and how does Kishimoto reward that individuality out of all the women her most prominent moment is when Temari completely folds her ass
Why is Tenten more individual than Temari?
@@bencarter5563 How do I forget about her
Literally, her special skill was 100% accuracy... give that woman a sniper rifle and she's taking down the whole cast~ so much could be done with that and her summoning AND seeming 'touch-master-weapon' ability and she had the best setup for an actual shinobi...
Mah girl got done dirty.
@@tesreso5448 give her a sniper and she´d be pretty much a god in the narutoverse
I didn't really watch the anime, so I can only go from what is in the manga, but Tenten got zero backstory and that always irks me. Every side character got some kind of depth, some kind of motivation (deep or shallow), except Tenten. Other comments say she has 100% accuracy. I don't remember that ever even being mentioned in the manga. All I know about her is that she's in Lee's and Neji's team, she throws things and got her ass handed to her by Temari (off page, I might add. She didn't even get a single fight to show her abilities). There are already so few female characters, why did he have to make one of them such a backdrop?
Kishimoto spent TWO WHOLE CHAPTERS setting up Konan’s brilliant setup to kill Obito... and then she’s defeated by sharingan fiat in one panel and jump cut to Obito getting what he wanted with her death offscreen.
Also even though she proved how strong she was she wasn't resurrected. Kinda feels like someone didn't want to waste more time on her unlike Itachi, Kakuzu, Nagato, Deidara and Sasori.
@@DreamOfTheRebel She was super hard to draw.
women: reduced to being love interests
naruto and sasuke: having more bromantoc moments together than they do with their supposed romantic interests
the way the womem are so bad they even fail to be captivating love interests lmao
Have you guys ever notice, Naruto has so many deep and cool quotes, but NONE of them came from female character
You're so right about that. That's why it's laughable when she says "I finally caught up to these guys."
@@dynamopirate470 but she did tho. She could fight alongside them without needing their help. But there’s only so much she can do seeing how the writer doesn’t like his female characters
Thats because the women in the show aren’t as wise, just because a man is better than a woman doesnt mean its sexism, kishimoto made many wise males doesnt mean he has to make many wise females, itachi, obito and nagato arent wise because they are men, h
@@kidkakashi623 well, we have 2 female kages in the series, arent they supposed to be wise person?
@@addictedtoair1351 well we have hashirama, minato, naruto and the raikage now tell me which wise quotes they have said
Worst part is that Sakura has so many MOMENTS where you can see genuine development and growing maturity and then Kishimoto pulls a 180° and makes her exactly as she was before. I dont mind the women being healers, generally more emotional, or generally less proficient at conbat in the story, if you want the men to be the warriors, and the women to be the emotional heart of the story, that's perfectly fine. But they have to be PEOPLE at the end of day. At some point it stops feeling like a character being bad, and just the writing being bad.
An arc where Sakura got over Sasuke to find something/someone else to fight for wouldve been awesome! You dont even have to take away her love interest! Maybe she falls in love with Lee or Naruto, learning to appreciate the people who actually gave a crap about her (keep in mind having a female character fall in love does not devalue her, as long as its not the only thing she lives for). She gets some truly badass moments, and demonstrates loyalty and that hard work pays off, and then the writing takes that lovely bit of development and smashes it. Over. And over. And over again. Its infuriating to watch, as she was always my favorite character. I found her insecurity highly relatable, and her having to 100% work for every skill she ever had (because no bloodline funny business for her) was really inspiring. Too bad it doesnt stick.
Poor Hinata, she had such potential but at the end of the day shes almost a nothing character. Her entire personality is Naruto to the point where it comes off as obsessive. At least Sakura would occasionally interact with the guy she liked (though he treated her like shit 99% of the time). Imagine if she gave her life for Neji instead of the other way around, shattering Neji's fatalistic worldview, and teaching everyone about the brutal cost of war, that death comes for you no matter if youre a homeless peasant, or the heiress to the strongest clan in Konoha. Or she could serve as a diplomat type, using her authority and connections to pull strings in favor of her allies, and becoming a confident, no nonsense woman who is the first to speak, not stutter and hide like when she was a child. Get rid of her naruto obsession, make her shyness a little less comedic, and a little more, "I have debilitating social anxiety and must work hard to overcome it because I am more than my flaws". You can still give her a love interest, but she needs to interact with him more than 4 times in the entire story.
I dont think Kishimoto is sexist, i think he just doesnt understand how to write women (which, honestly, writing people of the opposite sex IS difficult) but thats no excuse for every female character being so underutilized. Though, most of the male characters dont have it TOO much better. If youre not an uchiha or uzumaki you really dont matter at the end of the day. Such a shame.
I was so hype to see sakura become a powerhouse bruiser in early shippuden, and i really wanted her to use her medical abilities to get reckless with her fighting style, i.e. punching so hard she break her own arm, then casually heals it back up while still swinging.
I wanted a fiery, hot headed, ferocious brawler to compliment naruto's sheer speed and numbers, since her role of "genjutsu" was taken away.
I wanted her to be the beast that tsunade was played up to be in her early episodes.
I would have adored to see a dynamic between her and rock lee, where one's fighting with nothing but the sheer might of his MASCLE, and hte other is channeling raw chakra into every punch!
When it came to her personality, Ignoring her actions (i.e. her attempted manipulation of naruto. you know what i'm talking about.) I enjoyed her personality. But what I really learned to hate about her was simply put, her inability to keep up with naruto and sasuke. I always firmly believed that as a main character, she should be able to, if nothing else, fill in that missing bruiser/tank role, since naruto filled the protagonist role, and sasuke was at this point, a prodigy in the field of jutsu. As opposed to pulling a yamcha or krillin and just shouting the protag's name over and over.
but the path they took for her was just.... Eugh. they didn't just make her useless, they made her irredeemably nasty, with the guise of pretending to be a good person.
Sakura - kunoichi, wanting to be with a beloved man and catch up with 2 her commanders, doesn't have her own goal, has not enough screentime of her training, doesn't create her jutsu, no element and and hand seals uses
Hinata - almost the same, ends up being a housewife, creates a jutsu but uses it only twice
Ino - a representative of one of the most famous clans, which doesn't get enough attention from Kishi, good motivation and worthwhile growth, ends up being a seller and a housewife
Tsunade - despite being the most well-written in the story, lives the dream of a dead man
Kushina (jinchuriki), Mikoto, Yoshino, Kurenai (one of the best genjutsu users in Konoha), Karui - housewives
Karin - no motivation, no growth, just obsession and being an instrument
Rin - plays a role of her commanders' motivation, no goal, dead for a plot movement, needs to be protected and saved (as it was said)
Hanabi (sensei and a heiress of the strongest clan in Konoha), Temari (actually strong, free and confident woman not simping for a boy), Konan (ex-member of a dangerous organisation, the strongest kunoichi in the world), Tenten (kunoichi with a worthwhile purpose, not interested in men), Mei (ex-kage), Anko, Shizune, Kurotsuchi (kage), Moegi, Tsume, Hana, Yugao (an ANBU member), Samui, Matsuri, Mirai - shinobis with not enough screentime
Kaguya - considered to (and must) be the most powerful woman in the series, but appeares on the very end out of nowhere and gets defeated by 3 teens and 1 jonin
Here are some kunoichis, moved out of the story:
Izumi (the only known girl with a Sharingan) - dies being killed
Fu (jinchuriki) - dies being killed
Chio (one of the strongest puppet users) - dies
Yugito (jinchuriki) - dies being killed
Pakura (a famous shinobi of Suna) - dies being killed
Tayuya - dies being killed
Mabui - dies being killed
Nono (an ANBU member) - dies being killed
Tsuchi - dies being killed
Biwako - dies being killed
Ameyuri (one of the 7 ninja swordsmen) - dies because of some kind of disease
Mito (jinchuriki) - dies
Karura - nothing is known about her
Having to deal with manga editorial staff sounds like the worst. If someone ever said “you need to make the characters boobs bigger or nobody will read your story.” To me I would spit in their face and quit.
Avatar the Last Air Bender managed to tackle this exact problem very well
One thing I understood after Naruto's end and a few beers was:
Bitch, Naruto had a lot of cool concepts, but terrible execution. The good thing about it was the fanfics...
I agree. Naruto fanfiction actually give a lot of emphasis towards the female characters as well. And the story is better executed, much better than Kishimoto canon Naruto series.
I really enjoyed reading about the fanfics centering Sakura mainly because the Sakura in those stories were written better.
@@amalajohn1127 Meaning: wasn't a passive shit taking crap from a guy who stomps on her, but actually battles for what she believes?
@@13AndreFalcao666 exactly
i cant help but agree......
Also it makes me a little uncomfortable to see how quickly Naruto changes his mind from loving Sakura to loving Hinata in The Last. After all he was in love with Sakura since childhood. So then how come Sakura would not change her mind about Sasuke no matter what but Naruto suddenly changes his mind so quickly?
Yes, it doesnt make a sense, it feels impossible that sakura doesn't love naruto after all she's been through with him, and it's even weirder that naruto suddenly loves hinata.
In defence of Naruto’s change, I recall that there had been one episode in Shippuden where Sakura basically professed her love to him but it was only intended to trick him to abandon his obligations. Naruto, despite generally considered dense by his peers, didn’t buy her fake confession, and I think that was when any of their potential for romance started becoming irrecoverable.
@@erikliu7455 While that's true, the reason Naruto rejected her fake confession was because to him it meant that she was giving up on Sasuke. He loved her still, but he knew that her confession was fake and he didn't want to give up on Sasuke the way she did. I think, under different circumstances, he might have welcomed her supposed advances. But even then, I agree that the chances of a romantic relationship were slim. Still, though, it doesn't explain the sudden change in Naruto, when even Hinata sacrificing herself against Pain and telling him she loves him didn't open his eyes.
The last shouldn’t even exist. That movie is terrible, also when they retract Hinata when Naruto saved her even she being a super able ninja just to show cute scenes between then(as Gaiden, when Sakura, a medical ninja, stop to fight because of >BLADES< just to show a Sasusaku moment. Novels not written by Kishimoto make it so better, btw) and girl’s feelings. Sakura and Hinata literally like their husbands since 5 yo. That’s so bizarre…
Naruto saw hinata always loved him and that changed his views on her...it's retcon af cause kishi never developed them in the manga but also naruto realized finally he can't force sakura to change and like him...it took him way too long to realize that...there's other fish in the sea...you can rebound..shes not worth it
It's honestly sad how other people can write better female characters then he can.
The substance in how vulnerable kishimoto made hinata sakura tsunade ino chiyo kushina is something I never see in other series outside of maybe robin in one piece...stop lying..these 6 had real depth...I actually cared about them...
Author Kishimoto's new manga series "Samurai 8" kinds shows how the author may have misogynistic views towards women
It has a scene where the protagonist makes his girl friend cook dinner for her (like, a lot because he was hungry in that episode)
So later on that night, the protagonist decides to eat at a f**king restaurant instead of the girl's dinner
He doesn't let her know beforehand that he's gonna eat somewhere else, he doesn't apologize to her for wasting her time and effort, and he doesn't get called out on this.
It's like the author thinks it's ok for a person to treat a girl like this
what the hell, that's terrible. i feel bad for her just reading this lol
Why does kishimoto make Sakura go thru these mental trauma seriously I read in an interview kishimoto said that *I like to play with her feelings* I don't get WHY DOES HE PAIR HER WITH SASUKE who tortured her and Naruto why make her go thru all that And why TF DID HE MAKE HINATA GO THRU HER TRYING TO GET HERSELF KILED TO PROTECT HER CRUSH but then when she actually is potentially dead he never talks to her or talk to her about her confession he just acts like that never happened WHATTTTT sasuke and naruto def made the most sense hell I would even say Minato and kushina , shikamaru and temari , .....and if we're stretching it a bit I would say Sakura and Naruto but pls NOT SASUKE AND SAKURA and pls the last was just an excuse of a film to actually explain how tf did naruto and hinata actually get married which never made sense considering she risked her life so many times yet her crush dint notice her or tell her he loves her after 14 years of her stalking him also KISHI KILLED NEJI FOR NARUHINA OMG.....I CANT also sasuke and Sakura are the worst ship just no....
@@sangwootheanklebreaker4646 long as hell but i love your comment very much
@@sangwootheanklebreaker4646 Well, the author did establish beforehand that whenever Naruto goes all Nine Tails, Four Tails, or Six Tails mode, he ends up forgetting the moments that led up to him doing that, so... that point about Hinata is misunderstood there, I think.
@@sangwootheanklebreaker4646 imma start rage shipping Naruto and Sasuke just to spite the writer for real!
I always loved Sakura for her potential. I never understand why so many people hate her as a character when it's clearly the writing's fault for how she's portrayed.
Similar to MIsa from Death Note, a lot of people hate her for being girly, "dumb", and obsessed with Light, but her writing is steeped in misogyny. She could've been an excellent and stellar character otherwise.
Potential means nothing if you dont seize it
@@ArchangelRG09 Her potential as a character. Meaning my frustration is directed at the person writing her.
@@Jarino507 what i said means both
@@ArchangelRG09 It's a little hard for Sakura to "seize her potential" if the person writing her doesn't want to utilize her.
I feel bad for Kurenai because no one is talking about her.
Caring jounin...gets her husband killed
Her defining moment was literally using genjutsu on itachi. That's it.
@@lapplandkun9273 which sucks, because she was supposed to be legitimately amazing at it. the problem is that she had the bad luck to end up fighting an uchiha, which is an automatic L for anyone past the chunin exams lmao
Yeah and even when they do, they troll her saying shit like rEmEmBeR wHeN sHe tRiEd tO uSe gEnjUtSu oN iTaChI as if she wasn't also a genjutsu specialist.
I think it would have been cool for Sakura to use intelligence instead of strength to beat someone because she was set up as a smart character, but that never really happened.
I’ve been watching Naruto for the first time with my boyfriend. Every time a new woman is introduced, I go, “What’s her cool power? Let me guess: healing.” Aaaaand I’m almost always right.
It’s really telling that Shikamaru, a side character gets a more compelling and memorable character arc that anything Sakura, a MAIN protagonist ever did
The only thing that could have saved her character was moving on from obsessive crush but 😭😭😭😭
@@Jo-zx9fz With the way the other girls were written, moving on from her crush would just have removed her from the narrative completely. Just look at Tenten. She’s one of the few female characters who’s personality isn’t “I’m in love with this guy” (even though she had some romantic potential with Neji) and she literally had 0 screen time or relevance.
@@stormnightmare4378 that's really sad if legendary characters like Minato and sakumo hatake exists , why can't there be female characters like that. Tsunade is the only one with that perspective but even then everyone associates her with jiraiya. Now i can see sarada and sumire pushed to that same stupid Love theme, where they both are potential characters of having a good storyline with romance not being the main priority.
@@Jo-zx9fz Sakura really love Sasuke. Even Kakashi and Naruto said her feelings are true. But relationship is toxic. Yes. Sasuke trying to kill her and Karin and they loved him after that
Kishimoto liked Shikamaru quite a lot so that is the reason why he continued to develop him even through Shippuden.
And I'm saying this because many other memebers of Konoha 12 had their moments during the original Naruto but were totally left out in Shippuden except for Shikamaru.
"You can be a shy, anxious and passive person but you can be shy or anxious and still be strong, still be motivated, still have dreams..."
Searching for love and acceptance that you don't get from your family is not a dream? Wanting to change yourself and become less passive and more confident isn't a dream?
Hinata loved Naruto because she wanted to change.
@@muchiha6428 but... that doesn't have anything to do with naruto...
Actually no. think about all this way: if Naruto died or ended up with someone else (because that's his right to do so), what would you think happen to hinata?
@Yʊӄǟʀɨ Yǟӄʊʍօ well dang...
@@miss_chelles1338 Naruto is the source of her confidence, how does he not have anything to do with her? He inspired her to change.
If Naruto ended up with someone else, Hinata would accept it. She literally did so in the last movie once she saw Naruto wearing his moms scarf.
@@janinebelleestrada7096 Hinata accomplished all her dreams, she changed just like she wanted to and became more confident.
"Like seriously i expected her to not only be a good mother but also something more but no"
It was her dream to have a healthy and happy family and raise children in a sheltered and protective environment. A chance that she missed as a kid, so she wants to give that love for her children.
Yeah, no wonder one of my favorite female characters is Temari. She barely had screen time thus less chance to be badly written.
Not only that but she made sure shikamaru was worthy of her time and love by not making things too easy for him and if she has to be tough for his own sake she ain't stepping back. That's what makes a good woman. She knows her value and her worth. Shikamaru actually had to put in some work.
@Yʊӄǟʀɨ Yǟӄʊʍօ kushina was a great character its sad she ended up being a housewife instead of being the hokage
@@thebigbangtheoryispuregarbage why tf you have a problem with housewives like it's an easy task?? You want characters like Sasori's parent all ninja killed in an encounter....now tell me what happened to Sasori. It's like belittling your Mother's role ....y'all are bunch of buffoons.
@@valeriansage no .Like why does every good character who is woman become a housewife instead of being a great ninja .Tamari Kushina Hinata were all good character who had potential but ended up beinf housewives .Like at least sakura and ino are doing something for the village
@@valeriansage I think the problem isn't being a housewife but that just about every fenale character becomes a house wife and that's it. No variation whatsoever. Kushina is also one of the women who had dreams of her own. It'd also be nice to see at least some of them achieve it, or anything that isn't a housewife for a change, although I already know dreams change.
How poetic of Kishimoto to have Kushina declare that she wants to become the first female hokage, only to have her end up being the housewife to the future hokage smh
I'm calling it now, Sarada is going to get the exact same treatment. Even if by some miracle she manages to hold the office, she's going to be second fiddle to Boruto as the actual de-facto protector of the village.
It might have been workable if it was at least an open secret that Kushina was just as involved with the work as Minato even if she didn't technically have the title.
Tsunade counts as a Hokage to me and always will.
She wasn't a housewife. Minato seems to be doing most of the house work even before she becomes pregnant. Even then If she hadn't changed her mind at one point I think Minato would have supported her if she continued.
@@WeirdTale tsunades fear is freaking blood. Just to have her shiver? I love her, she is badass. And terumei is kinda like that but it’s not enough.
And not to mention the fact that motherly relationships are almost nonexistant in naruto. Who is Kakashi's mom? Guy's mom? Sasuke was so focused on gaining his father's approval but didn't care much about his mom. Ino, shika, and cho's dads were all on the battlefield and had moments with their kids. What about their moms?
well ...its clear female characters were the last thing the writer was interested in .....the amount of work and thought put into each male character main or supporting and their back stories is admiring on the other hand the writer didn't even care to think that in the world of shinobi is it even possible that not even one woman exits who is worthy to die a Sinobi's death ?? .....even though so many female characters had great abilities and also grew together with male characters .....Not even one had good reason to be remembered by fans ...except Tunade the mighty hokage who also in the end was shown emotionally weak and was unable to fight on the battlefield even after she herself was a lord hokage .......its even noticed that woman image is only of " chasing after man " .....as in the video described ...woman are only there to be seen as lovers, wives, mothers ....but the writer did not even clearly explored these roles as u stated in your comment
NARUTO is my fav series i absolutely love the characters but i doubt if writer intended to write a bromance material but had to add female characters bc of pressure 😅
Gaara and Naruto have more mother's moments than any other and their mothers died newlyborns...
The only mom I can remember that didn’t die and/or wasn’t just a housewife trope was Kiba’s mom and she’s barely shown.
No cuz I've literally always asked where is everyone mom??
And we've almost never seen Hinata's mom 💀
sakura really could have become a badass female character , imagine a ninja from Normal family with no special clan like uchiha or senju clan as tsunada and doesn't have a tailed beasts trains to become a strong ninja with her own strength but the way she ws written is really bad , her potential with lost with sasuke drama , she simply could become like gai someone who defines hardwork
So you want her to be a carbon copy of gai?
@@rinray9685
" someone like gai who defines hardwork"
of course not , gai wasn't from the special clans who had their own jutsu or had a tailed beast yet he was able to be the strongest in taijutsu by his own hard work , meanwhile sakura have a perfect chakra control and literally she was a genius she was the one able to solve the problems in the written chunin exams , she was resistant to genjutsu all of that she isn't from a special clan or had tailed beast , kishimoto wasted many potential EXCEPT sakura with sasuri fight she was lost in sasuke drama even her badass moment when she gain the byakuya seal just after 5 seconds she was saved by naruto and sasuke , not sakura alone but really all naruto female characters he handled them poorly it's not because I I don't like them but I don't like the way all naruto females characters were written just tsunada and konan
@@nada4106 why do you think power means good character?
@@rinray9685
what did this have to do with my comment?? I said they are poorly written example when sakura had her badass moment she was saved by naruto and sasuke , literally if you compared the females characters to the male characters, most of these females their dreams and motivation connected to gain admiration by a male , Not have a dreams on their own , their development not well written and this what these video said
@@nada4106 Rachel who is the weakest anime character yet literally is one of the best written
I think one of the big problems is narrative dissonance. We're told sakura is one of the strongest people in Konoha, we're told that Hinata is one of the youngest characters to have created their own Jutsu from scratch. But we are barely shown their strength, Sakura had her moment to shine in the beginning, fighting one of pain's summons, and played an important role in the end. Whilst Hinata had her's when she fought pain and during the last: naruto the movie. But beyond that we're not given much else, it feels like there were just too many characters and not many ideas on what to do with them all.
I agree the guidebooks stated that Sakura could hold her own in a fight with Sasuke and Naruto by the War Arc and yet we see none of her power. Even in Boruto the one major fight she gets ends with her getting saved by Sasuke and she doesn’t even use the 100 healings
Hinata didn't create any jutsu, twin lion fist already existed, it's a technique taught to the main branch of the Hyūga clan and Hinata only learned to use it
Oh Yeah righto mate
@@qye_67 I know this is from filler, but what about the move "protective 64 palm?"
@@christinem8799 64 palms Neji already used during part 1
It didn't only fail its female characters. It also failed its worldbuilding. People wonder why almost every hero or villain is/was a konoha ninja. Well, it's because it's the only place we ever visited. We barely saw the other nations or clans. Most of the time it's about Konoha and some Uchiha on steroids causing trouble. Now it's technically about aliens, but I still think about all the places we could have visited and all the non-Konoha characters that had so little screentime and development.
true..too many people focus on the female characters because they hate most of them or feel let down by the few they liked....what about the other flaws?..its not a perfect story
Glad someone else pointed this out. I wanted part of Shippuden to focus on Naruto building a relationship with the Jinchuriki from the other nations. Hell, during the timeskip, Naruto and Jiraiya could've traveled to the other lands for Naruto to train and during that journey, he could've made friends with the other Jinchuriki so they could be relevant in Shippuden and have actual screentime. They all had such cool designs but the only one's we got to know, besides Naruto, are Gaara and Killer Bee (Utakata too but that was a filler arc so it doesn't count).
And we really aren't introduced to the other nations in the series until the end of it all in preparation for the War Arc. Such wasted potential on learning about so many cool characters and other villages and lands.
At least filler remedies some of this by including threats that are from other nations or are rogue ninja with alliances to no region
I think about this too often. It would've been so interesting to see life outside of being a ninja, or what civilization is like outside hidden villages (which are hidden as stated in their name). I also wonder about how the political system works in the Narutoverse, beyond the five Kage we're aware of. Also, my mind is always constantly bamboozled on the technological advancement of the world the characters are living in because it's all over the place sometimes.
@@ProlificPops
Naruto and Bleach have the same flaw of "introducing a cool concept, power, and or character for the sake of it being cool rather than introducing them organically into the story,"
Haki in One Piece was introduced in the very first chapter, with its interactions and utilization further developed as the story goes on.
Even Sakura punching Sasuke or at least yelling at him could have been good character development
@Ghost Town looking at the way kishi failed his female characters, we all can say it WOULD be a development but not an impact. However, if he was interested in sakura, he would have created a great story for her, made her influence and be a part of it, not a decoration
@Ghost Town I know, but she had a potential because a lot of shinobis praised her abilities (chakra control, genjutsu, iq, power, success in studying before becoming a genin) and her character could have represented the ideas of "love yourself", "a hard work beats talent", "don't compare yourself to others" and so on. As Sakura already existed, she should have affected the story just like her comrades. However, we didn't see it unfortunately
@Ghost Town we all know kishimoto created everything on the run
I spent the whole time I was watching hoping she’d deck him and go “Fuck you, emo boy. You look like a piece of cheese.” Or something to a stronger effect
@Ghost Town agreed cause it was the only time she shone in the series. The 3rd movie is a filler, however she's imba there too
Even if a series is targeted to a younger male audience, that just makes it all the more important to write multi-faceted female characters along side the male cast. Set a good example and show young men that both men and women are capable of so much, and the beautiful relationships that can come from embracing the good and the bad in each character, no matter their gender.
Amen, PREACH IT
I agree, although men should pretty much always be the best. Otherwise it won't make sense.
Men are just wired differently from women.
@@icebox1954 ...no? the main difference of men and women in combat is average physical strength/muscle mass AND I REALLY DONT THINK NARUTO CARES ABOUT MUSCLE MASS OF ALL THINGS. besides, if they were all trained for this, they would all be equally competent with a few outliers.
@@icebox1954 Ah, your standard troll. U mad? Try again, little snowflake.
@@cobweb8129 They wouldn't be equally competent, not even close. And besides the Raikage and his family then you are right, physical strength really isn't focused on.
But I never mentioned muscle strength I wrote that men and women are wired differently.
The reason men dominate is because they are by nature more aggressive and prone to be more disagreeable at the extremes.
That has nothing to do with muscle strength, but rather how the male brain functions, which is why men will always be the best ninjas.
You seem to forget that no one cares about the faceless, average ninjas that are chunin, who were born without much talent, heir to a ninja clan or godlike powers. In that men and women might be equally bad.
But at the extremes men will always be better (unless you are the mother of all chakra from a Japanese fairy tale).
The funny thing is, if you give your female characters strong internal philosophies and motivations, you can actually give them much more interesting reasons to like your male characters than "I just think he's neat."
i legitimately cant remember a reason sakura had for liking sasuke besides "hes hot". and that never once changed in the entire franchise
@@a7xguitar666
Does that mean, if he'd had a "depressed, fat Thor" type of character arc, she just would've dropped him?!?
@@eyesofthecervino3366 no cause that man is gorgeous
@@a7xguitar666
Fair enough! XD
@Will Diesel its fine for a preteen girl in ep one. Not when its still the only reason 5 years later at the very end of the series
The "Shounen is for younger men" isn't an excuse to create trash female characters. Jujutsu Kaisen is an anime targetted towards younger men too but the female characters still had their own interesting personalities and stood out (Nobara, Maki, etc.).
Actually, yeah. Seven Deadly Sins is obviously targeted towards a younger male audience, and yet Escanor is written to be emotionally dependent on Merlin. Elizabeth has actual powers, and the demon lady from the Ten Commandments (forgot her name, but the one with the golden blond hair) has actual ambitions and “avenger” tendencies.
I suppose not writing a good female character should deserve the death penalty.
@@venturoushope2846
If there is no good excuse for writing a bad character, then writing a bad character becomes unforgivable doesn’t it?
@@venturoushope2846
I am being sarcastic to make a point. The point being that all the anger and frustration pointed at Kishimoto and his Naruto series seems to be overblown.
Unless you expect him to be as perfect as his series is popular, then it should be okay for him and his series to have their weaknesses.
@@venturoushope2846
There is nothing wrong with criticism of an author or their work.
However, I do have a problem with the amount of offense this comment section seems to take from his “poor writing choices.”
There seems to very little critique from what I can see, and a lot of complaining.
Remember when Konan completely outplayes Obito but since he had bullshit uchiha hax powers he still won. This is how dirty Kishimoto treats female characters they are either obssesed with a male character or genuienly strong but not strong enough to actually take out an important character.
What kind of flex would've that been? You know what would've been amazing was that Obito would have died in that battle and get brought back by Kabuto. If Kishimoto wanted her to die. That paper bomb trick making her chakra pool deplete heavily would've been a better reason. Dying from using too much chakra killing the bad guy? Far better than how she was treated. Legit Konan had so much potential. She could've died heroically actually hindering their plans but instead she just got piped down and pretty much a fodder character
lmao ill be real thats just how uchiha works - it has less to do with konan being a woman and more to do with "uchiha hax gg"
@@subashira Fair enough. How about when Sasori literally said he let Sakura and Chiyo kill him?
@@mysteryman9488 uh what about that? i mean the fight was pretty good in general and it definitely allowed both chiyo and sakura to show alot of their ability - i dont see the problem?
@@subashira It means that they didn't win on their own even after everything, Sasori could have killed them if he wanted to. Compare that to the rest of the cast who actually beat their opponent. Naruto one shotted Kakuzu, Sasuke beat Deidara and even Shikamaru beat Hidan using his intellect Sakura is the only one that just gets a mercy win.
Sakuras crush on Sasuke should've stopped in the chunnin exams. The chunnin exams showed Sakura could be strong, independent and smart. Examples would be her doing the test without cheating in the first part, her being able to trick and hold on against three adult ninjas on her own on the second part of the exam, and her being able to break free from Ino's jutsu in the third part. They could've just made her realize that she didn't actually like Sasuke in a love way and only acted that way because it's what the other girls did and she didn't want to be the odd one out. I mean, god dammit, she's physically the strongest ninja in Konoha and runs the hospital by herself! But nooooooo, let's make her super obsessed on Sasuke even after he threatens to kill her!!!!1!1
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I also forgot to mention Sakura was the best at chakra control, being able to climb the tree at the first try.
She was never obsessed with sasuke romantically after he left, I think this is how you pay attention to it and how it's written more than how you, individually see it. You remember that fake confession? yea tho I fucking hated it because it had done no justice to her character and she was MANIPULATED before hand which basically gave her no time to actually think it through and she had no moral support from anyone in the village after the news there is one thing you can find in it and it's that she rather have Naruto than sasuke and she was willing to keep her only friend who had always been there for her rather than sasuke. She even said it when Naruto was leaving the village that he always understood her. After sasuke left I'm not gonna say all romantic feelings disappear because even irl it doesn't work like that but she definetly went to develop and put what's right over how she feels, she was willing to kill sasuke just for naruto's sasuke and YES we all knew she couldn't have done it would you want to kill someone you spent all your years on getting back and someone you liked? even in the final valley when sasuke was going to fight Naruto kakashi said sakura doesn't want to have you romantically she just wants her friend back (not exactly what he said) Even tho her getting stronger was for bringing back sasuke, Naruto was still her motivation in helping him bring sasuke back and she's even said it many times that she'll get stronger with him to get sasuke back. Sasusaku is a complex dynamic so I won't touch on their actual relationship but just wanted to point out she was never romantically obsessed with sasuke after he left.
@@animesakura3557 she still ended up marrying the dude, meaning she still ahd feelings for him despite all the shitty things he did (granted the fact the story tries to ignore and forget all the shitty things Sasuke did so he can be redeemed is another issue but still)
@@sarafontanini7051 I think Sasuke should have DIED to show the futility of revenge, rather than have him just get over his revenge obsession, have him be a tragic character who was ultimately destroyed by his need for revenge. Have Sakura realise Sauske never loved her and her point of maturity being getting over her shallow crush for him.
@@sarafontanini7051 she married him 4 entire years off of what happened and why are we blaming sasuke for his actions while he was mentally ill and traumatized? I get many of you don't understand mental illness nor how it works but her marrying him is out of the question as it happened years after whatever fucked up shit he did to not only her but to her teammates aswell. Sasuke changed and took around a years by himself to be redeemed he felt sorry for his actions and desperately tried to change still years after.
@Yʊӄǟʀɨ Yǟӄʊʍօ I wasn't dragging hinata but sharing my opinon, this isn't an excuse but the TRUTH after sasuke left sakura was never ROMANTICALLY obsessed with sasuke but put her feelings aside and wanted to rescue him as a friend not as his lover which many ppl throughout the show have said so bye if you don't have anything to say don't reply to me and create uncessary attention
I find it hilarious that everyone talks about TenTen without talking about how she's the only female character to get totally screwed in the ending. She runs a weapons shop -- in a time of unprecedented peace.
@@stalinjustafellowrussianco7440 it’s not true.studies have shown that single women are happier and live longer than married women.its just a stupid,sexist stereotype.
@@stalinjustafellowrussianco7440 sexist much. As if women didn't have dreams and aspirations.. We only want to have a partner. *rolls eyes* makes sense you have Stalin as your username....
@@stalinjustafellowrussianco7440 You're full of shit. Get off the internet and talk to people in real life for five seconds.
hahaha
That’s literally one of the reasons why people joke about Tenten: she amounts to not much
The biggest problem with Sakura is that her starting off as an airhead could have just been a starting point because she is 12 and inexperienced, but she pretty much stays that way throughout the whole series.
Hinata is also a big disappointment because she had a solid backstory and her motivation could have been her wanting to change the system of her clan' after Neji's pain under it, or to surpass her father and prove her worth to him. To turn her original weakness and source of her rejection from her family and Neji's hatred in her compassion, into a strength for their clan... but nope. Its just Naruto. She only exists for Naruto.
Sakura has a really big development in the manga, though. She's now a kagelevel kunoichi.
@@BroJo676
Soy Pro Sakura
Tiene mometos muy buenos, a la par de malos.
Pero desarrollo no tuvo nada. O bueno casi nada, solo tuvo una pequeña evolución, que tras la aparición de Sasuke, y su batalla contra Sasori, ya no aparece más. Convirtiendo esa evolución en montón de cosas vacias y en un personaje de papel y cartón
@@BroJo676 being a physically strong character (which Sakura is) doesn't make them strong from a writing standpoint. She's kage-level but her existence still revolves around Naruto and Sasuke.
@@BroJo676 Becoming powerful isn't character development. If that's her only development over time, then just puts her, one of the three main characters, on par with Kiba and Choji as a character.
@@shadowbladesabre1945 Sakura's character development started with her realizing how of a burden she was to her teammates, Sasuke and Naruto. She used to be the bratty and pointless weakling who would always be talking ish instead being the ish. Eventually, she self-inspected, accepting all of her flaws and shortcomings to easily distance herself from those, working her ass off as Tsunade's personal trainee, educating herself better and stronger, and taking on bigger challenges. She wanted to prove herself as well as her teammates, that she no longer was that burden they had to put up with back in the day. That's growth and even Ino, her "rival", came to acknowledging that change during their Chunin Exam fight. Sakura showed herself strong-willed enough to nullify Ino's Spirit Possession jutsu (the only person in the entire series so far who's achieved such a feat). That's even the reason why Inner Sakura had started fading out of the manga little by little (Shippuden's first chapter being its last appearance) since Sakura's training eventually had her mature into a young woman comfortable enough in herself, her abilities, and her opinions. I'm not even going to mention Kakashi noting Sakura's growth in the Shippuden's first episode and during the Shinobi War.
You're free to dislike Sakura but denying she's been through growth just like Naruto, Sai, or Hinata equates to actively ignoring Kishimoto's writing effort...
Apparently, Kishimoto also stated that if Sakura did move on from Sasuke, she wold be ‘a terrible woman’. Like what?! I mean, goodness forbid she stop chasing after the guy who treated her like shit for at least 99% of the second series.
*Would be
Wow, he said that!?
Apparently so. Even if he didn’t, the implication that somebody could put you through utter hell but you’re the bad guy if you stop pursuing them is still very present.
@@pumpkinbaron9916 I think it was more so he was interested in making Sakura become interested in Naruto, but then thought that people would dislike her because she only became interested in Naruto wehn he became the hero
Sakura would go full on akatsuki if she did move on. But I think it would be better for her because she then will have more character development.
I was so shocked when Temari because a housewife. She's like the exact opposite
Yeah, if anything shikamaru should be the housewife
@@kalon2278 househusband, and it would have actually fit his personality given that he was inclined to laziness and wanting to doze off. It would have made sense for him to do housework and chores, using his shadow possession jutsu to complete them and I can imagine a scene once he is done, he just goes lying down on grass and just sleeping
She’s not tho. She’s still a ninja, same as all the other kunoichi they’re all still officially ninjas as stated in novels and databooks
She's actually still a ninja but she's still a mother
@@cherilynsarts8845 yeah same with the others ones as well
This is probably why Tenten was so neglected. She was meant to be a weapons, taijutsu specialist, and powerful combatant. But since Kishimoto can't write a strong and driven woman, she was the most neglected of the Konoha 11
I guarantee you kishimoto forgot all about ten ten and her capabilities.
And the most hilarious thing is that she's the only Naruto character to ever be an actual ninja.
I agree with ya
infact just the concept of Team Gai was really neglected
I feel like a group of ninjas in naruto who dont just throw out jutsus constantly and actually make use of tools/taijutsu is cool as hell
but instead almost all of them are just cast away and the focus turns to gai who is later thrown away after the war
I don’t think any of you guys watched shippuden they shit on everyone not just females
Sakura's ending actually makes me sad. She got the husband she wanted, the man is barely home despite being affectionate towards her. Their daughter grows up with no father figure (and trust me, that can mess people up in real life). She's supposedly one of the greatest medics in Konoha, head of the medical department, etc. but somehow has trouble paying off mortgages (even with Sasuke's wetwork money pooled in, really?). And the last time we see her in the manga, my girl is dusting shelves like a common housewife. Like, why even bother making her a medical ninja with a loud but kind personality if you just gonna portray her doing common chores instead of actually using her medical knowledge in the end?
@@hydrocy.9165 you CLEARLY didn't get the point of the video OR this comment for a fact. Jesus. (-_-)
@@hydrocy.9165 and your reasons for that? You aren't entitled to your own opinion, you're only entitled to what you can argue for. Justify your statement.
@@hydrocy.9165 Dude, the video is literally about how poorly Sakura's character was written; it takes us through the could've beens and should've beens and it clearly states that it was the author's fault that Sakura's main motivation was seeking love and validation from Sasuke and in the pursuit of that she made horrible decisions.
Also, you can force a horse to a lake, but you can't make him drink. There was no obligation for Sasuke to marry Sakura but he did. And it was out of love, their marriage is enough proof of that. Sasuke wouldn't have married Sakura if he didn't want to; my man can defy the laws and become a terrorist, and you think he'll bend to the will of a person to marry him if it wasn't out of his own choice?
Sasuke is Sakura's husband, and he is bound to treat her right. And OP right here just points out how Sakura, despite her amazing qualities, was dimmed down to the traditional gender roles of a housewife in the Anime.
Your argument seems pretty unreasonable to me.
@@hydrocy.9165 Any person would want to have a legacy left behind. Naruto wouldn't have had to use talk no jutsu on Sasuke, Sasuke would of course have wanted to carry on his clan to create a legacy.
Also, if Sakura really deserved to suffer, why did she end up with Sasuke then? Don't you think that the biggest punishment for Sakura would have been to not get the person for whom she did all that she had done? What was the point of getting Sasuke and Sakura married if she didn't "deserve" to be happy?
That is cause she did deserve to be happy. Trash personality, you say. She forced her love on Sasuke her whole life, you say. Did that ever negatively affect Sasuke? No. Sakura destroyed herself for him. She made decisions that negatively impacted her own life, not Sasuke's. And suddenly not everyone calling her out is her own fault? That is just blatant victim blaming. Sakura's main motivation according to the author was Sasuke so obviously he never tried to fix her obsession with him, whether through self reflection or any close acquaintance or mentor.
And character development is the main point her. According to what you say, Sasuke deserved a life sentence for his terrorist activities. But he came past that point, didn't he? He deserved to get a second chance. So does Sakura. One of the best Kunoichis, the best medic in town, a dependable mentor and mother. She is one of the most wonderful characters in Boruto and no one can deny that.
I am sorry if you think people cannot overcome their discrepancies and change for the better so that they can have a happier future. Sakura deserves happiness as equally as any other character in Naruto and Boruto.
@@hydrocy.9165 My intention is not to justify Sakura's actions, it is to indicate how of a person is able to overcome their shortcomings they should have the right to be happy.
Hyper fixation was the main attribute linked to Sakura by kishimoto. Yes she ignored everyone and everything to seek validation from sasuke. That is bad writing, but hyper fixating is human. Also, trauma is not an excuse for someone's behaviour. Sakura was a child when she bullied Naruto. It doesn't matter if she had trauma to back it up or not. What matters is she becomes one of his best team mates in the future and therefore she overcomes her shortcomings.
Sorry if I wasted your time, but it seems as if you are just blatantly hating on Sakura for personal reasons. Everyone who changes for the better deserves happiness. Please do not use the excuse of "bad intentions" to justify hate towards her. It was lack of skill on part of kishimoto, and rapid character development without any context that led straight to sasusaku ship becoming canon without delving deeper into their relationship.
Also, I prefer you read Sakura hiden and sasuke shinhiden to understand how their marriage is actually happy and mutually committed.
Growing up as a girl, while watching this series, I unconsciously was drawn to the male characters and didn’t fully realize why until I got older n realized how complex and interesting they were compared to the female characters who seemed annoying, frustrating and had bs motivations/goals…I’m very disappointed b/c I love this series but I can only imagine how epic it would’ve been if Kishimoto created multifaceted, complex female characters. Especially since girls already don’t have a lot of good representation in general😔
The issue with that is we only got a spinoff because of the roles kishi put his females into that we care about so it's a catch 22..that mattered to the narrative and milking post ending... the series focused on other things so splitting screen time would hurt the story and make you less of a fan of the males villians mentors past and the show would lose fans popularity and sell less...I am sorry but sakura was the only female with real screen time then tsuande barley but mostly sakura...everyone else came and went....I barley remember any dialogue between naruto and ino and he never speaks to ten ten in the manga neither did sasuke...she barley exists
He already wrote some complex female characters. Tsunade alone is one of the best in mainstream anime
@@razkable excuse me? They could've just stop making useless and stupid fillers and focus on the actual writting, don't make up such weird excuses for an overrated anime.
@@tactly5060 oh yeah, one male gazey and sexualized character. And others, that literally died. Cool.
@@meangengar8053 she’s not even sexualized that much. She has a big robe, not like she’s 100% exposed to us. And you’re simplifying her character down so much you completely ignored her development and character arc. And there’s still other females in the series with good writing along side her.
Tenten didn’t even get a last name, that’s how little Kishimoto cared about her
fr 😭
I wanted to check this so i googled 'what is tenten's last name naruto' and this is what i got:
"Old Man. TenTen's last name is common knowledge. It's Ninja. She has 2 middle names as well, they are The and Useless, respectively."
Is google fr or is this like, a quote from the anime/creator/fan?
I find it very telling that the one female character out of the Konoha 11 whose motivations didn't revolve around a man also had the least screentime.
That's why she is my favourite character in the entire franchise. If you make her a man, her story wouldn't change. Her character lacks of personality and also background but this isn't due to her being a female, but Kishimato's terrible writing. If she becomes a man Tenten would still be the same. 😌
Yes, because Shounen is catered towards boys.
You guys talking about how Hinata and Sakura weren't given the proper treatment, imagine me, a Tenten fan
A character that was done so poorly that most of her actual characterization came from the Rock Lee comedy spin off (which is severely underrated)
Yea. It's a meme now how little screen time she is given.
Bro I got to "tenten fan" and I just had to laugh. But in all seriousness this is just a problem in shounen which sucks fucking ass tbh.
@@bm1259 I wish there was shounen created for women and girls.
@@glistening7178 Well that kinda contradicts the shounen genre title. Something that would probably get given the genre Shoujo and I doubt japan would just get rid if that separation.
@@glistening7178 Bleach and One Piece do better jobs at writing female characters. Also, Magical Girl genre is probably the closest to what you will get to in terms of that. Wonder Egg Priority is a recent show this season which you might like
Will never stop being so sad how Hinata could’ve been such an amazing representation for shy female characters but ended up just being one-dimensional and love obsessed.
omg
God yes, I feel like she may have been one of the reasons so many male anime fans I knew in school were obsessed with the idea of having a "shy gf" who's world revolved around them lol
They did my girl Hinata so dirty man 😭
Is this manga seriously telling me she has no other goals in life? No aspirations, no dreams, no ambitions? She only wants to be a housewife, and that's it? That's seriously the full extent of her life's goal?
I've read fanfictions with better badass depictions of Sakura then the Naruto Franchise could ever do lmao
Fr like there’s one called Stumble and it’s amazing I keep rereading it
@@bunnyoffate2559 can you give me the link to that fic ?
Omg read "Changing Lives with a Bang" it's awesome, it's about somebody wakes up as Deidara, before they end up just running away from the Akatsuki and joining the leaf, then adopting all kinds of characters and fixing the female characters. It's also complete so no worries about updates.
Also, another fic, called "Sakura" totally awesome. Similar narrative. Finished.
Then there is "The Price of Living" kind of darker, not gonna spoil cause damn. Also finished.
Oh, and then there is "Sasuke" by SumiTen on archive of our own. Hilarious, and they fix Sakura's character up.
Any other recommendations in this thread?
i guess that's what fanfic is for... but it's kinda sad that fic authors can do important things better than the actual author
the whole argument that shounen is made for boys is weak. a lot of women enjoy stories regardless of the genre (some of us can go from sailor moon to berserk in a single second). the same can't be said about a lot of men though, why though? i think some guys are pressured by society not to seek genres like mahou and shoujos.
back to the point, women love shounen so much they make their own damn series (hitman reborn, blue exorcist, fullmetal alchemist, etc) and even mangaka's like demon slayer's writer who remains ambiguous on their gender.
i think better written female characters should be represented more, even in the shounens made by women, they don't even have to be on the hero's side, just write them good. we don't want sakuras, keep those.
the bit about societal pressure is especially true for japanaese culture, where these stories are made, where you're not supposed to stand out, follow traditional values and a good little cog in the machine. And this same society is also INCREDIBLY sexist.
so yeah, that's the core of the issue.
yup
it backed up by the numbers
@@sarafontanini7051 AHAHHAA SEXIST? DO YOU EVEN UNDERSTAND HOW TO MARKET PRODUCTS?
@@sarafontanini7051 Shonen anime is aimed at a young, male audience and usually aims to be adventurous and energetic. Shojo anime is aimed at a young female audience and they usually include themes of romance and friendship.
I think Sakura is the one who should've had a little sister. That would give her a perfect motivation to become strong and be a good role model and support for her sister. I can easily imagine her being kinda like Itachi to Sasuke but also kicking everyone's ass to keep her lil sister safe considering her temperament.
That would have been amazing
That’s intresting
and we could see sasuke toughs on that with sakura reminding him of itachi but also being totally diferent
@@merinofanfic4717 oh my god, the conflict would be amazing 😍😍.
I bet She would still only care about sasuke's like she did in the whole manga
Even Fairy Tail - a series that sexualises women all the time - had better female characters. Most of them had their dreams and goals. Kana wanted to have good relationship with her dad, Lucy wanted to write a book and go on adventures, I'm pretty sure Biska wears the pants in her marriage with Alzack and Ul was a walking legend and a disaster of a mother, if you think about it. Elza Scarlett is one of the strongest guild members and was shown to hold her own in battles, yet she is still very much a woman. She is more than just an attractive girl and more than a warrior, she is a kind and compassionate person, a loyal and caring friend.
For real though. Although the show was full of blatant fan service I eventually got tired of, and though I did not watch it for the plot as well, the dynamics of the characters were well done and I watched it for that.
When fricking "Fairy tail" does something better, you know you f*cked up
I will always have respect for hiro mishima for the way he has portrayed his female characters despite the disturbing fanservices. So far as kishimoto is concerned, he has lost all my respect for being a blatant liar and a sexist pig
@@johans3164 yea. Though I'll be honest. I enjoyed Fairy Tail despite the friendship mess that it was. I watched it for the characters instead of the plot. I never thought there'd be an anime where I don't "hate" at least one female character.
@@chikitita6763 wendy marvell, the youngest cast of the fairytail manga is more well developed and mature compared to adult sakura haruno. And by sakura haruno I mean the married sakura haruno
I'm so glad someone made a video about this. I hated the idea of 'hating' either Sakura, Hinata, or Ino. I didn't want to 'hate' them but when the rest of a fanbase hates on a character, you feel weird liking them. I was just overall disappointed how the show ended, and how the girls got the guys they chased for their whole lives. This does not happen in real life, if a girl chased around a guy for 'true love' like these girls did, we would think something is def wrong here slash you have no reason to love someone who you barely know. They really had so much potential, but the whole chasing boys until they notice you really sucked. I mean, no one hated Naruto for doing the same with Sakura, like at all, even though he didn't get her. It does show the double standard.
OKAY! WOW! Did not expect this response at all, but thanks so much for the likes :D! I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt this way!
You see, most of them come out as pitiful or simply bad. Rock Lee is a character which I feel so disappointed with how he turned. I'm mostly irrelevant to the many female characters deeming them as simply unfortunate, but I hate Hinata and Sakura. Because so many people try to justify them and/or deny their flaws. They are downright bad characters and there is nothing to be ashamed about that. But their fanboys are so annoying that I ended up getting fed up with the characters themselves. When ppl talk about Ino or Tenten, most will simply laugh and agree that they were wasted, but if you bring either Sakura or Hinata they'll give a thousand bullshit excuses for why they are awesome when they clearly are not.
@@juksleo6257 I'll admit that part of my fondness for Sakura is because she came SO CLOSE to being a great character. You see these flashes of development and get super hype about it... and then the show pretty much glosses over it or acts like it never happened. Sakura was ALMOST amazing and I like her more for what she could've been than what she became. Plus I actually think she's pretty cool in Boruto.
naruto chasing sakura is part of his character..he thinks he can win her over for selfish reasons and he learns he was chasing the wrong person the whole time..its growth...he does spend time with her and the show wants to make sure hes not seen as gay so there you go...it makes his sasuke bond less gay for sure to show he likes women
@@juksleo6257 define a good character
@@theatresuicide1386 a dynamic and compelling character with a decent amount of screen time, an amusing back story, relevant to the narrative and acts towards his is own personal goal without depending on other characters to exist.
A character that grows through time and develops as he grows more aware of what he is and what the world around him is like.
Not all of these elements must be there at the same time, but the more the merrier.
I wish Sakura had actually hit Sasuke and tore him a new one for how he treated her and trying to kill her more than once.
And this isn't coming from hate for Sasuke because I don't really hate him; I just find it wildly unfair how Sakura was never allowed to process what happened or allowed to be angry at a male character who seriously hurt her and i bet it's because Kishimoto thought a female character's emotions inconvrniencing a male character's in any way was unacceptable.
Look at any abusive relationship and why women stay with them. That will answer your question. But one of your answers can't be kids.
@em ma of course not. They can't sell the "fantasy " of being with Sakura if they did. Buuuut I could be wrong if she had that trauma they could sell her to the "I could fix her" crowd.
Half of Sakura's hatred comes from being angry at a male character, idk where that point is coming from.
True. Now she's in a shallow "relationship" with him.
@KilluaZoldyck your right but that's not my point.
Even if One Piece sexualises their female characters so much,I can at least appreciate that they're given as much depth and personality traits as the male characters. They're also not tied to the male characters of the series. Same with Fairy Tail girls. Even if romance plays a huge role in their character,at the very least they have proven themselves to be stronger than the boys too. They also have character depth and their own character arc that does not revolve boys.
Im surprised anyone would feel sexually attracted to one piece characters saying how cartoonish and abstract they look by design.
@@h.e.d9499 fam people can feel sexually attracted to anthro animals,skeletons,stickmans,anime aliens,etc. One piece female characters is far from absurdity
@@deadaf6098 true I really shouldn't doubt the overwhelming sex drive of the human race.
That's how I feel about Fairy tail. Yes and before you come with "nakama power" stuff, can we at least appreciate the fact that Erza, Mira, Wendy and Lucy had as much screentime as the male characters? And had consistent developments throughout the series. Specially Wendy.
I was looking forward to a comment like this.
Female characters in One Piece are definitely better written than the ones in Naruto.
In fact Nami and Robin have actual goals ,compared to like Sakura, that make sense.
just because it’s targeted towards young men doesn’t mean they can’t write good female characters. that mindset is exactly why these stereotypes are perpetuated.
this! Especially when you take into account the fact that there are LOTS of stories targeted at women that have well-written male characters. Not all obviously, but in mangas for instance, Mamoru from Sailor Moon is such a great character. He has a lot of depth, and he's such a great guy that I can see a lot of young girls wanting to date him. I've noticed that female writers TEND to make better male love interest because they want to write people that the female audience would connect with on a personal level, so they give him depth and an endearing personality (like even the cliché bad boy always turns ou to have a heart of gold and a sad backstory which give him depth). Basic male authors on the other hand make female love interest extremely shalow, just good looking and heplessly devoted to some guy. It's as if they think that's all a man could ever value in a partner, whereas female authors tend to think women value a man who has clear positive character traits beyond being cute. It reflects so poorly on men in general, when stories suposedly written for them shit out bad female characters like this. If as a man you don't feel offended that there is an entire industry that believes you're just an ape who likes big boobs and want a personal servant for life rather than an equal, well maybe you're just as trash as the industry thinks you are lol.
@Elisa Soh EXACTLY. The argument that it’s written for boys fails on at least two fronts: the one you described, and the fact a large portion of the readership is comprised of women and girls.
@@KookiesNolly I talked about this with my sister
It's such a weird thing to say, too. I mean, most stories aren't written for horses or cars or medieval Europe, but we wouldn't use that as an excuse to write these in a boring, lazy manner. Or are they implying that they believe their readers will never be around women enough to know the difference?
@@KookiesNolly there are plenty of shows with developed female characters like One piece. Naruto is not the be all end all of and the exact shounen.
Another little detail is the fact that despite Kishimoto's love for tragic backstories, not a single female character has one, UNLESS they are as a feature piece to the more important male character.
Konan? side piece for Nagato
Rin? literally just there to die
Kushina? again, basically just there to die, overshadowed by Minato
Sakura? she barely even *has* a backstory
just imagine what the team 7 dynamic could have been if Sakura's parents were abusive. it would've given another angle to the question about absent families: never having parents, having them cruelly ripped away from you, or having a family but one that is cruel and vindictive.
Alas she get's a generic "girl next door" origin, with her mother being one of the most house-wife looking characters I've ever seen.
I agree with this 100%
You people love to downplay female characters in Naruto
@@ekoyal_gemu4446 "downplay"
If you mean in power Scaling yes
But in story?nope
Tsunade has a tragic backstory but other than that you're right
@@scotthayeswweher backstory is literally all about men and how much she misses them that she can't get over it like 40 years after
They gave hinata literal GOD CHAKRA and didn’t do anything with that
in a movie kishi did not write though so...thats the issue..he only did designs for that film and gave them some ideas to use when asked like the scarf storyline...he had no input on the actual story of the film it seems...kishi is sexist and did not use her right...he literally could give a crap about pairings or hinata i have noticed...like to him shes not even a top 20 character clearly...he barley used her in the manga..chapter 700 she is not even shown with her husband showing us how much he cares about the pairs smdh he did the same with sakura ino temari and ten ten so this man clearly did not care about ships......the anime usually gives her more canon material since she will go years without being even shown in the manga.....which is a shame since like a lot of the exam characters she helped bring in most of his fanbase..no one read the first arc of the manga originally..it did not gain popularity until all the teams were shown in chapter 29 of the exams arc..thats when like 80% of the fanbase was formed cause you could relate to a team or kid character or sensei or main villain as the cast grew since the first arc is so limited in the manga to team 7 iruka hiruzen and the smaller villains....this is why people hate kishi..
@@razkable Sadly enough Kishi actually doesn't care for the ships. He originally expressed not wanting any of the characters to end up together but was pressured by his company to appease the fans that wanted pairings. Which is very much expressed in the way they are portrayed in Boruto.
@@razkable ok ?😐
Because the story's not about Hinata. Kishimoto wasn't interested in expanding anything about her character, and as such he didn't. He writes most of the important characters as guys because... I don't know, he's a guy and he has an easier time writing guys than he does girls, or because it's marketed towards young men. While yeah there's a female playerbase, they're a vastly smaller contingent that he's not going to pander to by changing his story.
@@eugene9211 the thing is it may not be about a character but that shouldn't mean you dont' keep in Line with the other characters. Don't give ability and start of development that should change them. Don't give them powerful ability and dna that should make them more relevant to story and power wise. DON'T NERF THEM TO MAKE OTHER SEEMS POWERFUL (mainly Sakura, every girls suffered that at some point, even more noticiable in boruto). That just show that you don't Care about character you introduced or don't know how to. Then don't even start developping them.
Manga like HxH or FMA are interessing because even if it's not about other the MC, the other character are consistant in their power most of Time. Mc are not the only being capable of Amazing powers.
I think one character that particularly puts this into light is Kushina. When she was introduced, she declared that she wanted to be Hokage. Instead, her husband became Hokage and she became a housewife who died young without making any statement for herself beyond “Naruto’s mom” and “Last Nine Tails Jinchuriki”
It’s just an interesting situation when you consider that Naruto was exactly the same as her - outcasted, wanted to be Hokage, had kids - and he managed to accomplish all of that
That's because Minato was already shown to be Hokage in the first chapter and writer was making up story as he goes, so obviously he can't make Kushina into Hokage all of a sudden because of some stupid representation.
makes you wonder..who was her sensei
@@kyleward7417 That does not mean that they could have done something more interesting with her. Also, since she was introduced much later when it was already clear Minato was the one to be Hokage, they just could have given her a different goal, and accomplishing this. It's not that hard.
@@thelistener5440 There are countless "could've" and possibilities, and her character wasn't really important enough for Kishi to make a whole different role for her, considering she only shows up for Naruto to get KCM mode and had no relevance to the story.
"They could've given her a different Role, it's not that hard" Why? Why exactly should they give her a role? Go ahead and answer that and I might take you seriously, SJW.
@@kyleward7417 Like all female characters. You are just proving OP's point. Thanks.
Sasuke being in love with Naruto is more believable than Sasuke loving Sakura
I've been thinking about that too :d
Sasuke wasn't in love with Sakura unt he realize how much she loved him ,u need to read their novel to understand it
@@francisconavarrete3031 doesn't make it good. if a series has to rely on obscure spin-off, where mainstream viewers/readers are less likely to see then its as good as a filler episode.
its like JK Rowling giving pre-existing characters certain race or traits on her tweets when it was never mentioned in the book series when its all obvious retcons just to justify things to happen.
@@milkmatcha3698 it does , light novels in Japan tell u all the things the characters are thinking, remember kishismoto was only doing what he was told during the time he was in Shonen jump romance was a big thing and most fans didn't like the romance but he did had a big female fan base so he wanted to incorporate it to the story buthis editor and higher up told him where story should go and how to do it . That what's always happened in Shonen jump if u know any thing about jump u should know they can cancel a series anything ,Naruto most likely wouldn't of but they were afraid to lose viewers,that why he made Naruto gaiden
Sasuke only had Sakura because no sane woman would take him ; and Karin is insane and sexually depraved ..😂 so he had to marry Sakura , the only person who will put up with his bs .
The fact that Hinata and Sakura, the two main female characters, basically only exist to show how much Naruto/Sasuke is loved.
Kinda wierd since the Hyuga clan martial arts is essentially bypasses physical attributes that they didn't take the opportunity to emphasized with having the shy timid become the master of it. Also, With what everyone is saying, Sakura could have been an alchemist character/ inventor.
At least Hinata had a cool backstory, the heiress of the Leaf’s most powerful clan but is pretty weak while her cousin is a genius and can’t rule due to their their fathers being twins. That’s a good story that went nowhere
@@MrKingYuji tbh all of naruto is good storylines that went nowhere
@@PJDAltamirus0425 It's literally stated in Boruto writing that Hinata have mastered all the Hyuga abilities and is currently the strongest Hygua after beating Hanabi in a fight.
Sakura sacrifices her dignity for sasuke and is ready to abandon her village for him, and she faints a lot, and on top of all that instead of having demon magic or god power eyes she just heals and punches goodly. She constantly needs to be saved to top it ALL off, sasuke is almost never there for her, making her seem even more foolish.
Kishimoto: Men Fight, Women heal.
Katara from Avatar: ...I'll be outside, if your man enough to fight me.
Another reason why I wish female characters in Naruto were more like Avatar the last airbender.
@@kingnamor7777 the amazing thing is, katara was not only a competent battler, but a competent healer as well. So it’s not like those two things are impossible to put together. Not to mention I feel like the first couple episodes in the North Pole were specifically jabbing as Naruto and other shonen from the time (not sure if it was intentional but it was definitely a jab)
@@supreme_king_obama1158I always felt the scene was more towards general treatment on women at that current time. Although I could be wrong. Either I admire Katara strength and willingness to do anything possible to become a water bending master and use her powers to save the world and fight back against the fire nation and those who oppose her friends.
@ꜱᴏꜰɪᴀ ᴍᴀɴᴛᴇɢᴀ I agree. Because Kishimoto should've definitely taken note from series like Avatar the last airbender, Fullmetal Alchemist Brotherhood or any other notable anime or cartoon series that is highly praise for some its episodes and how they treat their female and male characters in general.
@@kingnamor7777 those are my two absolute favorite shows and these are the reasons why.
Lets be honest, as good as naruto is it failed MOST of the characters! If you werent naruto, sasuke or an uchiha, you simply didnt matter. It was ridiculous. Even the main “villains”, the akatsuki, were barely even used. Plus the women were barely even in the story. Even in the boruto series, sarada, an uchiha, is also barely even in the story!
Sarada is basically Borutos best friend and yet she got replaced real quick lmao. The konoha 11 got wasted.....friggin Konan basically does nothing and only has 1 fight. Its ridiculous
The only difference is that while the female characters had very clear stereotypes, the male characters did not. If you were a female character, you were either boy-obsessed and shy, boy-obsessed and angry, or not boy-obsessed with like 5 seconds of screentime. This is something I think Boruto is doing better with; removing the repetitive stereotypes.
Honestly ,Naruto is not good anime at all. Even now naruto fans only talk about madara...
@@blurryy6423 Naruto is amazing stfu
The only arcs that don't really have this issue are Chunin Exams and Sasuke Retrieval. And even in the latter's case, Sakura was once again useless in that arc. I mean, some would argue that doing nothing is a better fate than getting Sakura vs. Iino as your major fight, but it's not great either way. Anyways, at least the best character, aka Rock Lee, got some big moments in both of those arcs.
I read fanfics where Sakura was a 50 times more developed character than how she was in canon. And some those fics were under 5k words long.
Imagine a five thousand word fanfiction fleshing out your character better than you did in 600+ episodes of content. I’d straight up never write again, I’d have dishonoured my entire family.
Ok you write a 700 chapter+ manga for 10+ years I’d love to see you do it.
No sexism but
Better Female Characters ≠ Better Show
Can you recommend some of these fanfics
@@velvetfym Motherfucker how???
The female characters in naruto had so much potential
Thats facts
That is what frustrates me the most about the franchise. So much potential, wasted.
I think Lanipator put it best in their Naruto Ninja Storm 4: Road to Boruto playthrough when talking about Himawari. "Bort, you'll be one of the most powerful ninja the village has ever known. Himawari, you'll make a great housewife."
Seriously? Who had potential? Who right out of the eight gates made you go "now this is a well written female character. I can't wait to see where they go with her"? Who had that potential. Ino? Sakura? Hinata is about the only charterer I can think of that sort of tried to have an arc, but even she started as mumbles. Maybe I'm missing the really good female character that was really well written at the start of the show. And fuck. You know how many people I see bitching about sakura and Hinata being housewives? Are you fucking kidding me? We watched a planet sucking tree devour everyone, demigod animal transformations, multiple dimensions, and cutting the moon in half. Fuck that. If I didn't have plot armour I would have quit and been a housewife too. Fuck that kaiju shit. I like cooking. Fucking female characters were the smart ones. They saw what was out there and were like "all yours boys". I'm gonna go chill with the kids and make a bitching stew.
@@Bloodgaze there’s no real life representation of the female characters people clamor for. I’ve been to war, several times and yes there were girls who left the wire but it’s still like 10% and most were medics, sorry I would never let a woman run in front of me into a blaze of gunfire. Gender roles are there for a reason and westerners love picking and choosing which to leave in place the ones that costs men and benefit women particularly
It bothers me that Hinata began the series as the heiress of the Hyuga clan and just ends as Naruto's wife. Imagine that power couple, the Hokage and the Hyuga clan head, but she ended as a housewife. Nothing wrong with that but she had so much potential
Everything's wrong with that as that's a MASSIVE downgrade.All the female cast becomes housewives like they're mothers before them.
Hinata was literally the worst character ever for Naruto to marry, I hate how she is so fucking shallow in personality in all the series except for Boruto, she is so shy that Kishimoto forgot to give her redeeming qualities for being a shy gal, just a stalker of a protag, she had really great potential with the beef between her and her sister and clan but it was wasted
but becoming head of the Hyuuga clan was not her goal at all
@ꜱᴏꜰɪᴀ ᴍᴀɴᴛᴇɢᴀ well, you're not the author to decide. we have what we have
I feel that except Temari Kishimoto did dirty to every female character in Naruto
i find it funny how naruto somehow manages to objectify women without sexualizing them for the most part.
Because the main character never matured past 12.
I know. Though it should be noted that the whole Female Sexuality/Attractiveness=Weakness and Subservience is a very Mediteranian and Arabic idea. Japanese women traditionally where seen to be dangerous when beautiful and if not forced to be bound by duty or servitude could seduce and compell all men to do their bidding. Basically Ancient Arabs, Persians, and Mediteranian Europeans we're more likely to understimate women wile the Japanese feared what they could do if freed. At least that is how I interpret plenty of old legends from all of those cultures.
I mean...Lets look at some of the adult female characters of the show. Tsunade, despite being a drunken lout when we need her, is still pretty and rocking insane tits and a great figure, though we learn that she doesn't actually look this way, and uses her ability to stay young looking. there might be some personal justification in universe, but that's ALL kishimoto. Konan is barely a character, she could have been a doll made by Nagato and it would not have changed all that much, to go with the Yahiko doll or whatever. The snake lady wears a trenchcoat and firnexts, has huge tits and is constantly being bound and bitten. This is again, a recurring theme that while not shouting "PORN!" is always in the name of fan service. Again, all Kishimoto.
@Brandname I think you are confusing a character being sexual and a character being sexualized. The former is an internal thing that is a defiing trait, and other people in universe should notice and probably have some sort of opinion on it, regardless of whether or not it's stated to the viewer. The Latter is something done for the audience, and doesn't really add anything to the character aside from the fact that they look and good are put into fan service moments.
Also, notice how you even phrase it yourself, a character "being sexualized", is an external force that could probably be removed and the character in quesiton loses nothing of value, where as some very sexual characters would lose some core part of them. Jiraiya is an old man who is a sexual deviant, it's a defining character trait and he would lose something important to who he is if that were removed, but Tsunade being sexualized doesn't alter her character at all, neither does he having huge boobs that are basically out there for the world to see. Her specific sexualization flies in the face of her more competent and noble parts, and her vanity and insecuirty about her true looks never really play a role in her character as a downside, it's just treated in the series that it's a twist for the audience that she isn't actually some hot milf type and uses power to look good. That doesn't do anything in universe, that's all for the audience.
I don't know much about red sonja aside from that it seems like a conan ripoff, and that whole thing is about how muscles are better than armor, and looking good comes from that, so the best I can really say is that what you said is a flimsy and lame way to say "We want to show off nearly naked people, don't question it"
@@tonywentworth9652 I don’t think the women being objectified has anything to do with Naruto’s mental maturity. They were objectified even when he wasn’t around. Lol
Alternative title: how kishimoto failed his female characters
meh i still feel proud of chiyo konan tsunade...they did what they were suppose to do... and both hinata and ino in the war at least ....everyone else?..yeah they sucked
@@razkable you like your own comment stfu kid
I think he was pressured by jump for all-heterosexual ending, because Naruto is too popular. But no excuse for characters, yeah
MORE LIKE A WESTERNER FAILED TO UNDERSTAND HOW JAPANESE MANGAKA FOCUS ON THE TARGET DEMOGRAPHIC THAN THE OTHER HALF.
@@raety3941 and that is bad. making everything for everyone is gonna make it more unmarketable.
Say what you will about TenTen, at least she had an admirable goal that didn't revolve around a male character (i.e. wanting to be a legendary kunoichi like Tsunade).
Preach that's what I like about her
Tenten had feelings for Neji. Did any of you watch the show?!
@@takeover2145 When? The only time she shows any interest towards neji is when she was hyping him up during his fight with Naruto, and that doesn't imply romance. Also, it doesn't change the fact that TenTen's goals didn't revolve around Neji or any of the other male characters.
@@takeover2145 maybe she did, but you don't see her proclaiming it for the whole village to hear (and making a fool of herself). Her goal wasn't about getting married to Neji, unlike the main females out there.
@@jasonmatthews52 Okay, I think that's fair.
I think Konan could've been the most badass female character in the show. They totally wasted her by killing her off in like 2 episodes after she left the akatsuki. She easily could've served as one of the most powerful ninja on the combined ninja forces side in the war, and she even could've had moments with Nagato's reanimated body instead of Naruto getting all those moments. Or even her own flashbacks and more backstory. Nagato and Yahiko both had their motives and we understood their purpose. They each shared Naruto's dream of finding peace, and all that they made Konan do was "support their dream". She also wasn't gaga for either of her teammates, even turning down Yahiko's interest in her because they were in war times. She was one of my favourites and it was really disappointing throwing her out the way they did.
As a firm Konan supporter, I couldn’t help but feel like her final battle with Tobi was really underwhelming. This woman faked an entire lake with paper, observed and noted Tobi’s weaknesses and limitations, only to be killed off by some izanagi bullshit. Sadly, in regular Kishimoto fashion, all her potential as a character was thrown away to aid the male characters in building the plot. It also irks me that she spent a large majority of her screentime playing nurse with Nagato. Imagine if she lived and ended up joining the allies in their plan to end Madara Uchiha. That would’ve been epic.
@@venturoushope2846 Cheers to that, there were many opportunities missed with her character that's for sure. Seeing her take on Madara and helping take down Obito especially would've been awesome.
She should have either survived or been revived with the edo tensei. There was no reason for this
She is a good character already and no peace is her dream too not just yahiko and nagato
@@venturoushope2846 Konan is a well written character
What I hated the most is that despite all the girls figthing over boys throughout the whole series, the guys never really gave a shit about the girls romantically, not counting silly crushes like Naruto liking Sakura. And thus, none of the couples that got together when they grew up makes sense (except Shikamaru and Temari, but I feel like that's only because this whole man vs woman thing was a part of Shikamaru's character). They had to give us a movie to make Naruto fall in love with Hinata because there was almost no evidence of him being interested in her romantically in the anime. Him getting super mad over her "death" in the Pain arc was such perfectly wasted potential, as it could've been a first step for him to realize he has some feelings but nothing was done about it after. Sasuke and Sakura seems even more stupid, because not only did Sasuke give zero fucks about Sakura, he even kept hurting her over and over again, and there's no way a girl keeps loving a guy that shits on them constantly unless they have serious mental issues... Ino and Sai never had a connection, other than Ino crushing over Sai's looks. And the list goes on. I get that this is a shounen anime, but if you're going to include romantic subplots, put some effort into them, at least for the main couples ffs.
Seriously. If you don't want to dedicate time to romance, or even female characters...fine...I guess...but then don't shill them if you aren't going to DO anything with them!
yeah sasuke and naruto chose their wives solely because "thats what men do".... the show reflects Japan's somewhat fucked up culture
Ok, but Sakura having mental issues does sound likely- and that’s not a dig at her either. She literally repressed her thoughts and feelings to the point where a different entity (inner Sakura) formed. That’s not normal. (And I don’t think she’s her conscience or anything, and the point of the subconscious is that you don’t notice it. So-)
@@CapeEniEer So you can see why America likes it so much.
I'm pretty sure Choji and Karui never interacted once in shippuden
After they got married, they ended staying at home and being a housewives.
Yes, Sakura is a healer, but it’s not like she’s always using physical strength to punch and do what she did during the great ninja war. She’s known to heal, and Ten Ten runs a shop, so does Ino.
It’s sad.
Edit: I over exaggerated now that I think of it, I would say though the part where young girls are stereotyped to like guys at a young age is the only thing that is slightly messed up, but overall it isn’t that bad
Naruto gets to be Hokage, Sasuke is basically the village's msot famous criminal.
Sakura....I dunno, is a healer I guess?
yeah, if you have a penis, you get to be someone. If you don't? you get to be nobody.
Fuck Kishimoto.
@@sarafontanini7051 true, Sakura is a nurse.
@@sarafontanini7051 Sakura runs a hospital. She's a fucking doctor. Are you forgetting how important doctors are?
@@sarafontanini7051 I am sorry but this doesn't make any logical sense. So it is useless to be a "healer" even though Doctors save people? You don't even know Kishimoto personally yet you hate him so much. You need to reevaluate yourself just as I have. I use to hate people for almost no reason, but not anymore. Have a good day.
....Sakura and Ino built a hospital for traumatized orphans and Sakura is the head physician/doctor in Konoha; also very active.