Whats a Part 61 Flight School?
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- We were invited to visit Fly Eagle Sport in Glendale, Arizona to help us show you guys what a Part 61 Flight School is all about. AND, just in case you're wondering, NO this isn't a sponsored video. They did a great job and showing us how a growing part 61 flight school works! We also got some EPIC air to air shots for you guys.
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Timestamps
0:00 Opening
0:16 Introduction
0:33 Whats a Part 61 Flight School
1:22 Tour of the Flight School
1:44 Tour of their aircraft | Remos GX
2:05 A Quick Flight
3:07 Why Part 61 is Better | Interview with Fly Eagle Sport
5:05 Cost of a Part 61 Flight School
5:33 Disclaimers about Part 61 Flight Schools
5:55 Outro
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My local flight school is approved for both Part 61 and Part 141, which means their instructors are pretty laid back, but still teach from the 141 syllabus if that's what you want.
We are looking at adding some 141 programs down the road. The owner and several of the instructors are military veterans that are looking to help other military members using the VA benefits/GI Bill. But we will be required to provide these programs under part 141, so stayed tuned for those!
A lot of flight schools grow into 141 programs. I'm glad to hear they kept some of the laid back 61 stuff though. I cant stand the schools around me. All of them in uniform all the time. LOL
Fly Eagle Sport looks like a great place to train 👍. Another interesting video Carl.
Thanks for that Steve, we really do set an environment that promotes enjoyable and effective learning! Our costs are much lower than traditional flight schools thanks to our modern and efficient Remos GX training aircraft. The performance numbers are nearly identical to a Cessna 172, and because of the way we equip them we can provide training for ALL of the A-SEL certificates and ratings (including the Private Pilot, Instrument, and Commercial).
Thanks Steve. Whens the net time you're down here?
Fly With The Guys Will be down tomorrow for a couple days.
I did Part 61. Mainly because I had no clue what a 61 was or a 141. Still was fuzzy when I finished PPL and went into IFR. Thanks for the video Carl.
Thanks for watching Dan. This was a fun one to make. Wish I had better cameras to take those air to air shots to the next level. =) Well I have the camera, but the lens... $$$
@@flywiththeguys It's all about the glass!
Some really good information in this video. I am hope that soon, no later than this coming spring, I will hopefully start my training.
Thanks for your comment! Good luck with your training too!
Hi there! Come check us out and follow us on Facebook, etc. Contact us for a tour and see why we are quickly becoming THE choice for affordable flight training in Arizona :)
Nice video Carl. Wish I knew when you were up and could have buzzed you at GEU!
Thanks John. I should have hu? Could have joined the formation.
Nice to know a bit more how things work in the US!
I'm going to hit a 141 school soon. I just want to find one I like.
@@flywiththeguys It would be great to see the 141 environment too. Overhere I don't know any schools offering PPL and have students to wear uniforms. Did you do part 61 yourself?
Great vid! Maybe you could do a video about online ground school recommendations?
That';s a tall ask and I don't think the ground schools are going to give us free trials of their systems to do a review. =(
I tried to get in touch with Fly Eagle because they are just a few minutes away. I never got to speak with anyone from there. They have great reviews and they were recommended to me. Great video.
Sorry to hear that. They've always been rather easy for me to get in touch with. Try sending them a email or calling again. Or I can forward your information on if you shoot me a message over on Facebook.
@@flywiththeguys thank you for your offer. I found another place to go, and my instructor and I get along great, and he keeps it fun. I’m glad that Fly Eagle is so busy as they look like a great place. I don’t have Facebook, but would follow you if I did.
Love your videos, keep them coming.
Brilliant vid I'm young 13 and starting ppl soon
Awesome! Good luck!
Great video like seeing more sport aircraft available for rent
Thanks!
I think I remember seeing that plane around Glendale. I did my private there with Angel Aviation.
I've flown out of angel a few times, back when I was just getting started. Moved over to Deer Valley because it was closer. =) Thanks for watching!
You'll see the GX planes flying more and more. With our 5th airplane on the way, we're growing fast and have having a great time doing what we all like to do- FLY :)
Thanks for video!
Could you please explain, is the Degree in Aviation is really appear or it's just a flight school's advertising?
Depends on what you're doing. The degree side is sometimes a requirement of an airline. And it doesn't always have to be a aviation degree. Take a look at what you're looking to do in your aviation career and see if one is required to get hired on in places you would like to work. It's a doubly expensive endeavor over getting your ATP, especially if you dont need it.
Great interview, this was super helpful. On a side note, have you done a video explaining squawk codes and transponders yet?
Not yet but it's in our queue!
@@flywiththeguys Cool, thanks. Congrats on your channel by the way, seems like its doing really well
@@ChrisGorges Thanks! We love to see its growth and the support from our viewers!
What’s the differance between Part 61 and private? Is private where you pay for the aircraft and then pay for instructor separately? Where in part 61 you pay both in 1 payment after the lesson?
Great video as usual loving it!!
Private instruction falls under Part 61 rules. So whether is a independent instructor or a flight school, they all have to follow the same guidelines. Schools typically have a package, path, or standard curriculum.
Fly With The Guys thank you!
I am looking at attending this school for my Sport Pilot training! All inclusive price now is $11,000 (04/27/2023) and I am also doing the Aviation Maintenance Technician training this fall at a different school. ❤
The planes are small but well equipped! I highly recommend. =)
Thank you for your knowledgeable videos.
Do you have any videos on joining flight clubs?
I don't. Theres not much to them. Find one that suits you and pay the fees to join. We have one that is outrageous around here, like 3K to join, hefty monthly dues, and rather high prices to fly the planes. Another one I'm aware of is like 750 to join, 250 a month, and the monthly dues translate to flight time. It's all about the structure and what works best.
Great local Glendale School!
It was fun visiting with them. =)
Now you know that I may just have to revisit who I am training with!
I'm an instructor with a really great school as well if you would like to talk
@@ragwingmafia4404 Where are you based out of? My local Airport is Glendale, followed by Goodyear.
I live by Luke AFB
@@ragwingmafia4404 what school are you at? Are you based out of Glendale?
Could a person further their aviation knowledge in part 61 suvh as obtaining their ifr and commercial licenses?
Part 61 is really one of two paths. Both paths allow you to do the exact same things. 141 is more structured and has their course approved by the FAA. Both have the same tests and ratings.
Does a part 61 flight school give you your commercial license? If so, should you expect to be hired by an employer directly after completing the course? How much cheaper is it compared to part 141? And do they offer helicopter courses?
Sorry for all the questions, I'm just looking for some answers.
141 and 61 give the same certificates and everyone takes the same tests. 141 is just more structured and approved by the FAA. Think of going to collage vs getting a degree online.
You can work with a commercial license, but it depends on what you want to do. In order to work in the airlines you need an ATP, or airline transport pilot certificate, which takes 1500 hrs to get AFTER you become a commercial pilot.
Hey! Im from phoenix so not too far away. Any idea if they make you pay the full amount upfront or is it on an hourly basis? Comes out to about $270 a flight hour.
Hello Derek. At Fly Eagle Sport you can select the route that works best for you! You can pay as you go or you can pay upfront for our "All Inclusive" programs (checkout our website for more info) that takes out all the guess work and costs that you might not have been expecting. Our rates are fantastic for newer, advanced training aircraft! $120/hour for the airplane (includes fuel) and only $60/hour for instruction. It's also important to note that we use our Remos GX airplanes for instrument rating as well saving you TONs of money over older traditional training aircraft.
Most schools you attend you pay buy the hour. You can buy block time and get a slight discount on the hourly rate but some schools that do that will be reluctant to refund your money if you decide to go elsewhere or discontinue training. If you would like to discuss it further I can help you get a better understanding of what to expect and what cost you're looking at
Derek- I almost forgot. Our "All Inclusive" program includes ALL of your tests, ground instruction, simulator time, headset, materials, etc. Remember- we don't quote based off of the FAA minimums like many places (it will always lead to customers getting hit with unexpected costs), our quotes are based on what it takes to get our clients completely finished. Or you can roll the dice and pay as you go with our low hourly rates. Either way, you'll still be way ahead of what you would otherwise pay at other schools on average.
It depends on the school. A lot of 141 schools like their money up front. Not a fan of that.
can you recommend some flight school under part 141
Unfortunately we can't. We've made a decision not to make recommendations on financially impactful things like flight and ground schools.
Are commercial pilots mandated to take the part 141 course training?🤔
Nope! You can do it at a part 61. Good question!
@@flywiththeguys thanks for the info. Your videos are very helpful👍🍻
If I had to do it all over again, it would be *Part 61 all the way!!* I would NEVER ever recommend part 141, EVEN if you're going into aviation for a career, like I decided to do MIDWAY through obtaining my certificates and training. Part 141 is too restrictive in more ways than one, and typically it is needlessly more expensive for virtually no extra benefit. The only supposed benefit is that it provides a "regimented career plan and keeps you on track". That is the most ludicrous thing I've ever heard. If you're not disciplined enough to do that yourself, then you shouldn't even be a career pilot, IMO 🙄
As someone who believes in personal responsibility, I believe, if one meticulously researches everything (there are TH-cam videos for virtually everything under the sun these days, for cryin out loud 🙄 ), and makes a perfect game plan to go through their certificates and ratings, you could do it very effectively, in the same time at a Part 61 school or flying club, for a cost savings, over the typical Part 141 outfit.
I must admit however, that I did mess up with my own advice I give above, during my Private Pilot training, in that, I took well over a year and around 120 hours to get my Private pilot certificate. But that had more to do with the fact that I had not decided to take up aviation _professionally,_ at that point and was working full time 40 to 50 hours a week in my primary career! But I did get my Instrument rating and commercial done in record time.
Another thing that makes me a huge advocate for Part 61 schools, is that _most_ (not all), part 141 schools are very unfriendly and unhelpful to the "average joe individual" who walks off the street and wants to be helped. These "pilot mills" are so focused on churning out large numbers of pilots for max profit, that they almost always tend to give most of their attention to foreign students, who come en masse from various places (Asia, middle east etc.), to the detriment of the "local" student.
I have had VERY bad experiences with this! And maybe that's where some of my hatred for these schools comes from. By sharp contrast, most Part 61 flight schools / flying clubs I inquired at, were very patient, took the time to explain everything to me (as a total noob, who knew nothing), the entire process, and showed they were genuinely interested in earning my business, not just a "dollar bill" that walked off the street!
You hit the main reasons I'm hesitating to make a similar video for part 141 school.
Hiw many hrs can I fly with a 172 and how much is it to fill it with fuel and how many gallons can it hold
Depending on the 172, they burn 8 Gallons per hour with 40 gallons usable fuel. Regulations require (day) 30 minutes of remaining fuel for a flight, but I land if I have less than an hours worth left. so 40-8 is 32, leaving me with 4 hours MAX flight time. If we're travling 105 knots ground speed, we can make it over 400 Miles in range.
@@flywiththeguysif it was only me and one other passenger could the plane carry some luggage like 1 or 2 suitcases thanks so much man appreciate it you answe all my questions in so much detail you legend 🤝✈🌍💚
@@deonogorman928 Depends on the specific airplane Cessna 172 - Weight and Balance Calculation th-cam.com/video/5PBnLbmkgWA/w-d-xo.html see also th-cam.com/video/5w5Q-01eXAs/w-d-xo.html
@@davidboyle3032 thank m8 but carl answered in good detail and I'm going to watch them vids now what's insurance like for them
John Keith sent me
Jon Keith is a Shenaniganizer.
The instructor stated that all his aircraft are TAA or are being converted to TAA.
What does TAA stand for? I've never heard the term am am confused why you think everyone should be as knowledgeable as you.
Using acronyms is great if everyone know what they stand for.
Looks like great school, just a little too far from Texas. LOL
One other thing, you intimate that Part 141 is Private and part 61 is . . ? You confused several people with that one.
Thanks for sharing.
It stands for Technically Advanced Aircraft, which satisfies the training requirements for commercial pilot certificates. Good Catch though!
We had tons to talk about but only so much video do it in, so unfortunately we couldn't dig into the details without getting off the topic of a Part61 flight school. As Fly with the Guys mentions, our Technically Advanced Aircraft (TAA) has a huge new benefit that allows our affordable Remos to be used all the way through your career-path training whereas before you would've had to rent the expensive "complex" airplane to meet the requirements for the commercial and CFI. But you're point is absolutely valid, thanks for asking!