The Plot Thickens: I’m Still Peter Bogdanovich - Episode 7: I'm Still Peter Bogdanovich
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 4 ต.ค. 2024
- Grief-stricken for years, Peter finally goes back behind the camera and ends up shooting one of his most popular films. But he sues the studio before the movie is released, further endangering his career. While trying to recover, Peter once again becomes a target of the press after he marries Dorothy’s sister.
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I'm surprised that no one on Team TCM was able to notice and fix the error at 31:24. Ben mentions PB visiting Polly P. in 2001 right before she died of ALS - but she died in 2011. Kind of an undergrad goof to leave in there, but this is overall a fabulous piece of work. I'm looking forward to listening to the Lucy season next.
Great series. Ben, your emphasis on how the great films are made in your 20s and in your 70s and that we must treasure our elderly. I'm in my 60s. Can't say that I have any achievements at the level of PB. But, I do have hope for rhe future. Thanks for the series.
"Love comes in different forms." There are no formulas when it comes to human relationships.
This was Great! You can't listen to this without developing total admiration for both Peter and Ben. Thank you for presenting this.
The artist and the ego. The downfall of the many
You want to hear something even more bizarre than this story? After Dorothy was murdered, he wound up marring Dorothy’s sister, Louise Stratton. They were married when Louise was 20 and Peter was 49 years old. They were married when for 13 years.
Wow...I really love this...also the singing at the end....this man had sadness, but he impresses me...
@@KathrynHilliardI was thinking the same thing. May he Rest In Peace and Rest In Power alongside his beloved, Dorothy. He waited over 42 years to reunite with her in Eternity.
It is a comfort to see his grave beside hers.💯❤️❤️❤️❤️
Christ - this guys LIFE is the freaking movie!
This is not the tell all it has been represented as. It is obvious that Peter and Louise only agreed to be interviewed so long as a certain very public scandal was never mentioned. Hugh Hefner held a press conference wherein he accused Bogdanovich of seducing then 13 year old Louise. He claimed to have 5 sources for the story, including Louise's step father. Police investigated but chose not to file charges. The family sued Hefner for slander but later dropped the suit. Not a word of that is mentioned in this interview, not even to debunk it.
Wow!
Hefner of all people was, hardly one to accuse anyone of that sort of thing…. the guy was a scumbag.
@@CaptainSpalding72 to be fair, Peter's a scumbag too
Jimvanhise Interesting. Who knows exactly where the truth lies? If the police could find no evidence to bring a case against P.B. well - shouldn’t that tend to point to his innocence?
I credit Mankiewicz for not mentioning all the salacious crap, because that's all it is. The interview and TCM is about films, filmmaking and filmmakers,
I only regret that there is not more information about Bogdonovich's early career, which was more interesting, although there are other interviews devoted to that period.
I wonder how Dorothy’s brother is doing and how he felt about Peter.
Yea, where is John???
Peter's voice is quite soothing. I fall asleep listening
Sad it’s over but all good things must come to an end. And this was oh so very good!
The film world is a less interesting place without him in it.
This guy's experience are the reasons why you should not let your daughters or sons go to Hollywood. I worked in the industry for a few years
on the business side after getting my MBA. I would never want to have anything to do with show business again. You could be equally highly rewarded in other industries without the high/low and violence/drugs.
I completely agree.
You are basically handing off your innocent children into a vipers den of *SEXUALLY PREDATORY, EXPLOITATIVE* *PIMPS*
No different than any other sex trafficking thug pimp on the streets, but they get to do it LEGALLY
Makes me sick how these so-called wealthy "liberals" in the Entertainment industry and fashion have the unmitigated gall to lecture the rest of us
this extended profile is a wonderfully warm and revealing picture of a sadly underrated bogdanovich --
though hardly unacknowledged, his fascination with classic filmmakers seems to have removed him from
the circle of his peers - scorsese, spielberg, de palma, among others - and ignored a contribution as worthy as any
of his generation - eager to hear where this series goes next
I'm thinking because he called out MGM NBC for their detestable behavior. Snyder and Hefner hired a private detective named Goldstein to stalk Dorothy Strattens every movement up until she was murdered. He was literally outside the house when she was raped tortured and killed.
Afterwards, he ransacked the bedroom of Dorothy's items and sold her diary letters and other items to MGM/NBC who were producing a gossipy documentary. They also paid him $65,000 to act as a
"technical consultant" on the documentary about Dorothy's death. HOW SICK AND EVIL IS THAT?
Peter Brogdonavich was going to file a lawsuit against them and caused a very righteous hissy fit over this. He also very vocally called out Hugh Hefner and exposed many other high profile Celebrities who hung out at the mansion and made aggressive passes at Dorothy like James Caan. Hugh Hefner raped her too.
I'm guessing that's partially why he was snubbed by Hollywood.
He was one of the early people to call out that rotten town
I preferred the Mask soundtrack without Springsteen more.
I AGREE!! I REALLY LOVED THE SEGER SONGS IN MASK! I REALLY LOVED THE LAST SONG AT THE CEMETERY. IN FACT, I EVEN PUT IT ON MY IPOD I LIKED IT SO MUCH!!
I wonder what each of them think of ‘Mank’ the new film about Mankiewiicz, since it relates to Orson Welles, Citizen Kane, and of course Ben M’s grandfather. It has lots of press and Ben and Peter being still alive, their perspectives would be great.
You want to hear something even more bizarre than this story? After Dorothy was murdered, he wound up marring Dorothy’s sister, Louise Stratton. They were married when Louise was 20 and Peter was 49 years old. They were married when for 13 years.
They started dating just months after Dorothy's death. Hefner published this and Bogdanovich threatened to sue since she was very young. Sure enough, as soon as she became "legal" he married her. The marriage ended soon after but she said stayed with him because he was old and alone. Basically he groomed her and she stayed loyal to the end
@@jakestroll6518 How the hell do you know? The real evil disgusting person in all of this aside from Snyder is
*HUGH HEFNER* Hes the one who saw his meal ticket slipping away into a more respectable and better paying career in Hollywood, and Dorothy rejected Hefner so he maliciously helped get her killed.
I dont blame Brogdonavich in a weird way for eventually marrying her sister. It must have been an extremely traumatizing situation for everyone involved. He could probably never fully move on from losing Dorothy and it would have been hell for any other female he tried to date, so he married her sister. Probably to protect her from HEFNERS thugs
@@yeetnama9094 totally agree! Hefner was a PREDATOR!
Thank you for this podcast, TCM. Peter has always seemed like an old friend who I could turn to, whether through his movies or his books or his interviews. He says that he feels better after singing than he did before singing. That's how I feel after spending time with Peter Bogdanovich. I always feel better & that it was time well spent. Thank you Peter from your friend from afar whom you've never met.
I wanted to hear about his marriage to Louise Stratton, Dorothy’s sister. Surprisingly the two were married for 13 years. They were married when Louise was 20 and Peter was 49 years old. Really weird.
What a nice thing to say. I guess this is how I feel about him, too. I love listening to his interviews and I just recently watched They All Laughed for the first time. It won't be a favorite movie of mine but I thought it was pretty darned good.
Another excellent episode. It's good to see Bogdanovich be recognized for all he's done in his career.
I've always liked Bogdanovich if for no other reason than he has suffered enough, intentionally or otherwise to make him a figure of deep humility which makes him instantly relatable. He's been wounded, self-destructive, bitter and resentful and always eventually turns a corner, taking responsibility and tried to mend the mistakes he's made. There's no pretentiousness with this guy. It's all out in the open for good or for ill. I find it hard to judge him without judging myself. Oh and then there's the fact that he's directed some of the greatest movies of all time.
I think i tend to agree with you - he had major issues and flaws but I can’t hate him or despise him for it- i think because he seems willing to discuss all his bad decisions openly with candor
Peter Bogdanovich has been fascinating his entire life! Ben does a great job with this and it was excellent as the first TCM podcast! Thank you!
The ending has me in tears and I can't say why. Wish I could meet and chat with Peter.
I listened to this series just before Christmas 2021 and it was the perfect send off for the man.
I enjoyed every minute of this. Thank you .
I just finished finished listening to the entire series....Wonderful...... Simpy wonderful. Insightful, Compelling and Fair. Thank you Ben, Peter and TCM~
It seemed like Peter and Polly had a perfect relationship on paper. They collaborated beautifully and were friends but it looked like they lacked passion. Polly talked about the affair so matter of factly, that it came off as a partnership but flat of romance. Could just be a view that was warped by time and pain, and of course children make it more complicated.
A lot of time had passed. At the time she was devasted that he didn't come back
Well done Peter and Ben. It brought understanding of life and it's disappointments struggles and high points.
Peter slipped away today of natural causes...loved his prose & documentaries on the great pioneers of American cinema. R.I.P.
I just watched "Saint Jack". A heroic effort--considering the circumstances--and an excellent film. Certainly fits into the seventies "cinema of loneliness". However, Gazzara stands firm in the face of chaos. As great a performance as "Killing of A Chinese Bookie".
I watched SJ over the weekend. I really enjoyed it!
This series is excellent.
what's up doc is still one of my favorite movies.
Great interview, great director!A true lover of film, and a true artist!RIP Mr. Bogdonovich, a true artist who lived life on his own terms!
Fantastic!!!! Thank you so very much for this. You did an amazing job, and the end brought tears to my eyes with Peter singing.
You and I know that he was singing that for his beloved Dorothy. So glad that he is buried next to her..... after 41years and 5 months.❤❤✝️🙏💯 Together Again, Finally and Forever.
Very sweet that Louise bought him a karaoke machine and they are all taking care of each other. This is the ultimate unexpected, love story .i hope he is appreciative.
RIP Peter and Dorothy….4EVER ❤❤ ~ Debra
I wonder if Dorothy and Paul would have taken responsibility for their roles in this sordid saga. Peter and Hugh did not seem to take responsibility for their roles in this tragic, needless act of domestic violence. For worse, all four played roles (exploitation, ambition, adultery, materialism, opportunism, objectification, cuckolding, sexual and psychological domination, lust, greed, projection, idealism, and denial). All elements of a three-act Greek tragedy. “There but for grace goes God.” Thank you for that.
Indeed. They all played a role, even Dorothy who seemed very Machiavellian in how she chose her mates.
Peter spent the rest of his life flogging himself for his sins and his role in her death.
I've read death of a Unicorn. He was very vocal about taking responsibility and was haunted by grief until the day he died.
HEFNER on the other hand DID NOT.
HEFNER was the one who REALLY hired Goldstein to stalk Dorothy and report back everything she was doing.
HEFNER raped that poor girl and git her killed because he was so jealous and vindictive about losing Dorothy to Peter and a better future career...as her playboy modeling contract was thankfully almost up and she was going to sign with Ford or William Morris.
Hefner saw Dorothy as his forever meal ticket and a way to "legitimize" his brand by having a playmate finally cross over into being a movie star.
Flippen creep. I hope he's burning in hell
Fascinating life. Absolutely wonderful!
Rest in peace Peter bogdanovich
Loved it - can't wait for the bonus episodes...
I had never heard about his marrying the younger sister, Louise. I thought his pursuit of Dorothy had some creepy elements, but the younger sister?? That's VERY creepy, especially given she was like 12 when they first began spending time together after Dorothy's death. At what point did that "friendship" become more? Sorry, but that's given me some pause on terms of how I look at this man.
Peter can say what he wants about Cher's acting talent. But Robert Altman directed her on Broadway to acclaim in "Come to the Five and Dime, Jimmy Dean, Jimmy Dean." And they filmed it together, and it jumpstarted their careers again. Mike Nichols directed Cher in "Silkwood," and Norman Jewison directed Cher to an Oscar in "Moonstruck." All loved working with Cher and had greater resumes than Peter, I might add.
How can you go to Europe if you're broke?
There is broke and real broke
Wow, a fully realized account of an important director who hasn't really gotten his due in many years. I was reminded of the many substantive films he made that don't really make it to air anymore, like Mask, What's Up Doc, Daisy Miller. So many revelations for me, I had no idea he had been linked to Dorothy Stratten, very moving account of the injustice of her passing. Thank you to those responsible for producing a tremendously interesting podcast.
He was also Oscar nominated for the film Paper Moon.
I wish I had gotten a chance to meet Mr. Bogdanovich. His contributions to his craft/this world are unparalleled.
Awesome! Excellent! Loved every minute.
Such sad things that happened to him ,god bless
I agree. He also nearly shattered many people when he dumped his wife Polly Platt to have a relationship with Cybill Shepherd.
Eh, like him as a director but I never felt any sympathy for him. He thought he could get away with stealing someone's wife (albeit her being in a terrible marriage) like he always did. Well, not this time. In a way, he's a part of the problem
Peter suffered greatly.....he did pay for his mistakes, he lost Dorothy. She was horrifically taken from him by a forever monster/loser. Peter had to live with that for the rest of his life.
He is buried next to his beloved Dorothy now.❤❤👍
Truly a remarkable interview!
Such a smart man
Hefner was trash and there’s just nothing good that can be said about him. It was a mistake to get involved with him, for everyone that did. Especially Peter. He betrayed his own good instincts by ever showing up at that Playboy brothel in the first place. It proved tragic.
So sad
Excellent.
The Male ego has no guilt or shame. Please separate the artist from his art
Well, speaking about younger women in PB's life, look what he found in Tatum O"Neal....HE "DISCOVERED" (or at least KNEW) that she was good enough to get an Academy Award at age 9!! Maybe he just understands younger females...LOL!!!
He would have discarded Dorothy in due time. Her death merely allowed him to create a goddess in his imagination. His lack of self awareness even in old age was tragic.
I agree. As soon as that first wrinkle / grey hair appeared he would have vanished. I can't stand this man.
@@kjnodwellUnfortunately, Dorothy didn't live to see her first strand of gray hair or her first wrinkle.😥
That being said.....I do believe that Peter was truly in love with Dorothy Stratten. And he carried that sadness and loss for 41 years and 5 months.
He is buried beside her now at Westwood Village Memorial Park.✝️🙏👍❤❤
Seems like a very good man that he is
AT LONG LAST LOVE is fucking glorious! Love it.
❤❤❤❤❤
the thlot pickens.
What a CREEPY person when it came to YOUNG women he became obsessed with. Too bad Tony Soprano didn't get him.
Jonathan Shapiro I think that was meant to be a joke. Black humour perhaps but ....a humorous remark all the same.
PETER. YES. PETER. 👩🏼. WAS. A. VERY. VERY. SELFISH. MAN. DID. I. SAY. SELFISH 💰💰💰💰💰💰💰💰. I. MEAN. SELFISH. 👺. ITS. ALL. ABOUT. PETER ‼️.
Men usually are
Narcissistic
Orson Welles was a sadist and not a small one. Bogdanovich knows that. What’s disgusting in a person cannot hide behind work, films etcetera. Bogdanovich is the more important filmmaker.
A sadist? What a bizarre thing to say.