@IrishBade if they arent 1.50, then they must be bigger, because wings usually go up to about 1.60-1.65, and this is near the top of the wings, and you can see the height when the horse lands.
I've heard of pinto as black and white, but from where I'm from, pinto is just a horse of any color with big white areas. Also, the breed registry is really just registering any pinto of any breed, as long as the color is right, and for them, pinto is any color and white. He'd probably be registered as a hunter pinto. There's a type of pinto for any breed-build. Paint is a more specific breed. Skewbald and piebald is actually something I rarely hear around me.
Coloured, Pinto, and skewbald are basically the same thing depending on where you are. Skewbald is just a little more specific in that it's any color other than black with white. However, they all basically mean a horse with white.
even this video: Utah Van Erpekom - this horse has the sires LANDGRAF I (by the great Ladykiller TB) and RAMIRO (his Dam sire was the brilliant Cottage Son TB) and MARCO POLO C, TRAKEHNER, 1962 (by Poet TB) twice on Utah Van Erpekom's dam side.
Since this video was taken Utah has developed into an outstanding horse. He has been placed in 3/4 and 5* FEI shows and came runner up and won a 1.55 Class at a 4* show in Holland. He will be jumping at the big show in Brazil next weekend. The video of Utah winning last weekend will be on this channel shortly.
I have a video of John Whitaker at the Bolesworth showjumping classic from yesterday when he won on this coloured stallion the Grand prix by 500th of a second! There is also a clip of Joe Whitaker falling off and the other whitakers and more famous riders :) So check it out ;) x
Tell me this what was Ryan's Son's sire? Answer: A Full TB Ozymandias - yes Ryan might looked like a cart horse (as John W. said when he first viewed him "he has a big head and big feet") his Dam being a half Clydesdale, half Connemara mare. He had the body of the mare but the athleticism (heart & spirit) of his fathers side.
Yeah, I'm in the US - East Coast. We don't really use Skewbald, tricolored, and piebald. I used to use them and people had no idea what I meant by skewbald and tricolored (for some reason most do know what piebald means). The national Pinto Registry says: "A Paint is a specific breed of horse, bred for the conformation and musculature similar to a Quarter Horse, and also bred for unique coloring...Pinto, on the other hand, is ANY breed of horse exhibiting the colorations below"
actually, a horse doesn't need TB genes. Ryan's Son was an Irish Draft John rode and won the Hickstead Derby on, and that horse continued to compete until he was 18, until he died at the Hickstead Derby. The tobiano gene is present in some warmblood breeds, like Belgian Warmbloods and Oldenburgs, it does not come just from draft horses. There is even a tobiano Thoroughbred horse, and the top level showjumpers do not use TB's, they will usually compete on European Warmbloods or Irish bred horses.
MissEmilyy09 these jumps are around 1.35-1.40 this is the sunshine tour i worked with showjumpers who have brought 8 year olds to these shows to get them expierence for the the fei
- Q. Do you know who the sire Ladykiller was? Or Cottage Son ? Two of the greatest sires in German show jumping breeding both Full Thoroughbreds!! The only Irish bred Olympic Gold medal winner in Jumping a dapple grey gelding called "Ambassador" won gold '72 was by the great Nordlys a (light grey) sire who is Dam sire of todays "Cruising"
I do believe he is actually a tobiano, but saying skewbald is a more general term that I find safer to use, especially as there is the paint and pinto horse breeds. In a lot of places, pinto would mean black and white, while paint means white and any other color, yet both are breeds.
- even the video on the right - Meredith Michael Beerbaum - Shutterfly (Silvio I X Forrest xx) Do you know what xx means? Shutterfly's Dam was by a full TB Forrest (xx denotes x on sires side and x on dams side. xx means a full TB in a passport)
There is actually a Pinto Horse Registry, I do believe the breed originally traces back to Spanish horses, but centuries of crossbreeding have led to no 'true' pintos being left. I'm in the UK, Skewbald, tricolored and piebald are more commonly used. I do prefer to use the terms of the horses coat coloring though (overo, tobiano, sabino, rabiccano, tovero etc), but I don't think that Warmbloods come in anything other than tobiano.
- All so called warmbloods (Sport Horses) can have great TB sires in their sires or dams side - the late great Hickstead r.i.p. had ten different types of blood a lot of it TB. Sure Hickstead was a "live wire" he didn't get that from the docile Dutch bred cart horse in his breeding! Hickstead would have had about 8 3/4 inch bone. I'll make a list of the great German and French horses and what TB they had starting with Paul Schockemöhle's great jumper "Deister" three times European Champion.
- lets take: Milton his paternal great grandfather was the great Thoroughbred sire POET chestnut (great TB sires in his blood included: THE TETRARCH (grey) seven race winner, Unbeaten 2-year-old Champion in England. Leading Sire in GB & Ireland (1919), BEND OR (chestnut) ten race winner inc. Epsom Derby (1880), ST SIMON ten race winner inc. Ascot Gold Cup also Champion Sire nine times and Champion Broodmare Sire six times., DARK RONALD (grandsire HAMPTON).
lol Ryan's Son. The Irish Draft that made John Whitaker famous. Sport horse my ass, he's an Irish Draft. And it's funny. My cob can outjump a warmblood or as you call them 'Sport Horse'. He's not got a drop of thoroughbred in him. There's a huge difference between having thoroughbred blood way back, as in 200/300 years, as you will find with most pure warmblood breeds, and being a direct cross with a thoroughbred.
@Sabley Paint is a breed. So he isn't a paint. Pinto is a coloring, so you could call him pinto, but in different areas in the world they have different terms for what might be referred to as a pinto.
you'll find a real warmblood horse (purebred, may I add) are bred to for their discipline, unlike thoroughbreds who have had the breed reduced to things with little bone. A horse does not need to have thoroughbred breeding to be able to jump an Olympic size. There are ponies brave enough to jump an Olympic fence and clear it. You cannot say 'oh, this horse does not have a thoroughbred in its bloodline, it will never jump well' because it is not an essential to a good jumping horse.
- you make me smile at how little you have researched Olympic jumpers breeding :-) 1968 Olympics Snowbound USA bred Full Thoroughbred what he do Snowbound won the Ind. Gold for William (Bill) Steinkraus "Olympic Champion on a Full Tb ex-race horse (Flat bred not National Hunt Stepplechaser) Flat breds have more "spark" (life) - American show jumpers used full TB's for jumping upto 1985. Did you ever hear of the mare Touch Of Class? Full Thoroughbred 1984 Olympic Champion and Team Gold medal
- sure when I was 17 I could jump 1.20m on my feet!! Try jumping an Olympic oxer of 5ft 1 in front bar by a spread of 6 ft 6 in (2.00m) - in the 1992 Olympic Final in Barcelona the jump-off track - the final vertical stood 5 ft 7 in (1.70m) - my family have owned seven International "winning" Jumpers and all of them geldings and one mare had 1/2 or 1/8 TB blood.
so you're saying a horse has to be the descendant of a thoroughbred to be athletic? That's bull shit. Considering my horse has no TB in him directly, (through parents, grand parents etc) how comes this 15.1hh cob is able to jump fences of 1m20, with the ability to go higher? Thoroughbred breeding does not equal a horse that will jump well, if anything, it equals a horse more prone to leg injuries. They're racehorses, they are not bred for jumping like the warmbloods are.
- "actually, a horse doesn't need TB genes." Thats some statement !! I'd laugh at you if it wasn't so serious! The Thoroughbred is the greatest of all sport horses. You should read up some time on Sport Horse breeding. ALL the Great jumpers had some degree of Thoroughbred blood what is a warmblood? a mixture of hot (Thoroughbred) blood and cold blood (Draught). I don't call them warmblood a better name is Sport Horse. Google "allbreedpedigree (dot) com" and type in a great jumpers name
Them elitist horse types don't like to use common folk descriptors like "paint" or god forbid "pinto". This horse is a pinto. But shhhhhhh don't say it out loud..
Wow... he looks like he would jump anything put in front of him... and he rates back beautifully.. Great video of what a jumping horse should be...
i love seeing coloureds jump at this level - its so unusual to see them. he makes it look so effortless beautiful round and stunning horse.
What a gorgeous horse!
love this horse! he is the sire of one of our fillies we sold several years ago called Trevoulter Lady Utah - Now Grade A.
such an handsome horse... amusing!!!
awesome horse, beautiful step!
that horse is AWESOME!
@IrishBade if they arent 1.50, then they must be bigger, because wings usually go up to about 1.60-1.65, and this is near the top of the wings, and you can see the height when the horse lands.
I've heard of pinto as black and white, but from where I'm from, pinto is just a horse of any color with big white areas. Also, the breed registry is really just registering any pinto of any breed, as long as the color is right, and for them, pinto is any color and white. He'd probably be registered as a hunter pinto. There's a type of pinto for any breed-build. Paint is a more specific breed. Skewbald and piebald is actually something I rarely hear around me.
nice horse nice jumps
Coloured, Pinto, and skewbald are basically the same thing depending on where you are. Skewbald is just a little more specific in that it's any color other than black with white. However, they all basically mean a horse with white.
hes amazing 1 of my friends ponies was bread by ellen whitaker
even this video: Utah Van Erpekom - this horse has the sires LANDGRAF I (by the great Ladykiller TB) and RAMIRO (his Dam sire was the brilliant Cottage Son TB) and MARCO POLO C, TRAKEHNER, 1962 (by Poet TB) twice on Utah Van Erpekom's dam side.
Since this video was taken Utah has developed into an outstanding horse. He has been placed in 3/4 and 5* FEI shows and came runner up and won a 1.55 Class at a 4* show in Holland. He will be jumping at the big show in Brazil next weekend. The video of Utah winning last weekend will be on this channel shortly.
@IrishBade yes, there are, but you can tell from the height of the horse to the height of the fence.
I have a video of John Whitaker at the Bolesworth showjumping classic from yesterday when he won on this coloured stallion the Grand prix by 500th of a second! There is also a clip of Joe Whitaker falling off and the other whitakers and more famous riders :) So check it out ;) x
Tell me this what was Ryan's Son's sire? Answer: A Full TB Ozymandias - yes Ryan might looked like a cart horse (as John W. said when he first viewed him "he has a big head and big feet") his Dam being a half Clydesdale, half Connemara mare. He had the body of the mare but the athleticism (heart & spirit) of his fathers side.
Yeah, I'm in the US - East Coast. We don't really use Skewbald, tricolored, and piebald. I used to use them and people had no idea what I meant by skewbald and tricolored (for some reason most do know what piebald means). The national Pinto Registry says: "A Paint is a specific breed of horse, bred for the conformation and musculature similar to a Quarter Horse, and also bred for unique coloring...Pinto, on the other hand, is ANY breed of horse exhibiting the colorations below"
actually, a horse doesn't need TB genes. Ryan's Son was an Irish Draft John rode and won the Hickstead Derby on, and that horse continued to compete until he was 18, until he died at the Hickstead Derby. The tobiano gene is present in some warmblood breeds, like Belgian Warmbloods and Oldenburgs, it does not come just from draft horses. There is even a tobiano Thoroughbred horse, and the top level showjumpers do not use TB's, they will usually compete on European Warmbloods or Irish bred horses.
pshyeah!!!lol yeah i would love to see that!
It took his owner a year to put Utah right after ben had him but he's flying now with John & in my opinion, never better. My mare's in foal to Utah !!
MissEmilyy09 these jumps are around 1.35-1.40 this is the sunshine tour i worked with showjumpers who have brought 8 year olds to these shows to get them expierence for the the fei
- Q. Do you know who the sire Ladykiller was? Or Cottage Son ? Two of the greatest sires in German show jumping breeding both Full Thoroughbreds!!
The only Irish bred Olympic Gold medal winner in Jumping a dapple grey gelding called "Ambassador" won gold '72 was by the great Nordlys a (light grey) sire who is Dam sire of todays "Cruising"
I do believe he is actually a tobiano, but saying skewbald is a more general term that I find safer to use, especially as there is the paint and pinto horse breeds.
In a lot of places, pinto would mean black and white, while paint means white and any other color, yet both are breeds.
yeeeees, i think so too! ;)
so where is he now n wot is the thing bout coloureds that holds em back from being jumpers?? Is it the mix??
- even the video on the right - Meredith Michael Beerbaum - Shutterfly (Silvio I X Forrest xx) Do you know what xx means? Shutterfly's Dam was by a full TB Forrest (xx denotes x on sires side and x on dams side. xx means a full TB in a passport)
There is actually a Pinto Horse Registry, I do believe the breed originally traces back to Spanish horses, but centuries of crossbreeding have led to no 'true' pintos being left.
I'm in the UK, Skewbald, tricolored and piebald are more commonly used. I do prefer to use the terms of the horses coat coloring though (overo, tobiano, sabino, rabiccano, tovero etc), but I don't think that Warmbloods come in anything other than tobiano.
- All so called warmbloods (Sport Horses) can have great TB sires in their sires or dams side - the late great Hickstead r.i.p. had ten different types of blood a lot of it TB. Sure Hickstead was a "live wire" he didn't get that from the docile Dutch bred cart horse in his breeding! Hickstead would have had about 8 3/4 inch bone. I'll make a list of the great German and French horses and what TB they had starting with Paul Schockemöhle's great jumper "Deister" three times European Champion.
- lets take: Milton his paternal great grandfather was the great Thoroughbred sire POET chestnut (great TB sires in his blood included: THE TETRARCH (grey) seven race winner, Unbeaten 2-year-old Champion in England. Leading Sire in GB & Ireland (1919), BEND OR (chestnut) ten race winner inc. Epsom Derby (1880), ST SIMON ten race winner inc. Ascot Gold Cup also Champion Sire nine times and Champion Broodmare Sire six times., DARK RONALD (grandsire HAMPTON).
lol Ryan's Son. The Irish Draft that made John Whitaker famous. Sport horse my ass, he's an Irish Draft.
And it's funny. My cob can outjump a warmblood or as you call them 'Sport Horse'. He's not got a drop of thoroughbred in him.
There's a huge difference between having thoroughbred blood way back, as in 200/300 years, as you will find with most pure warmblood breeds, and being a direct cross with a thoroughbred.
@Sabley Paint is a breed. So he isn't a paint. Pinto is a coloring, so you could call him pinto, but in different areas in the world they have different terms for what might be referred to as a pinto.
no i don't - i meant the ground manners ....plus it depends on the horse.
@AnnieBird100 you stroke john whitaker?!?!
you'll find a real warmblood horse (purebred, may I add) are bred to for their discipline, unlike thoroughbreds who have had the breed reduced to things with little bone.
A horse does not need to have thoroughbred breeding to be able to jump an Olympic size. There are ponies brave enough to jump an Olympic fence and clear it.
You cannot say 'oh, this horse does not have a thoroughbred in its bloodline, it will never jump well' because it is not an essential to a good jumping horse.
It's a colored horse, but not a paint, right?
@subimedia - the horse (or the few mares that jump) need very good Thoroughbred genes. A pure bred Draught horse can't jump an Olympic track.
- you make me smile at how little you have researched Olympic jumpers breeding :-)
1968 Olympics Snowbound USA bred Full Thoroughbred what he do Snowbound won the Ind. Gold for William (Bill) Steinkraus "Olympic Champion on a Full Tb ex-race horse (Flat bred not National Hunt Stepplechaser) Flat breds have more "spark" (life) - American show jumpers used full TB's for jumping upto 1985.
Did you ever hear of the mare Touch Of Class? Full Thoroughbred 1984 Olympic Champion and Team Gold medal
i love this horse! i prefered ben riding it though, poor ben has to sell all his good horses! john is an amazing rider though!
- sure when I was 17 I could jump 1.20m on my feet!! Try jumping an Olympic oxer of 5ft 1 in front bar by a spread of 6 ft 6 in (2.00m) - in the 1992 Olympic Final in Barcelona the jump-off track - the final vertical stood 5 ft 7 in (1.70m) - my family have owned seven International "winning" Jumpers and all of them geldings and one mare had 1/2 or 1/8 TB blood.
Ben Maher's horse?
no it isn't- stallions are usually alot harder to handle vs riding a gelding or mare
...he's a skewbald stallion.
he is a holsteiner.
@kenpar
Its proably an american warmblood
so you're saying a horse has to be the descendant of a thoroughbred to be athletic? That's bull shit.
Considering my horse has no TB in him directly, (through parents, grand parents etc) how comes this 15.1hh cob is able to jump fences of 1m20, with the ability to go higher?
Thoroughbred breeding does not equal a horse that will jump well, if anything, it equals a horse more prone to leg injuries. They're racehorses, they are not bred for jumping like the warmbloods are.
- "actually, a horse doesn't need TB genes." Thats some statement !! I'd laugh at you if it wasn't so serious!
The Thoroughbred is the greatest of all sport horses.
You should read up some time on Sport Horse breeding.
ALL the Great jumpers had some degree of Thoroughbred blood
what is a warmblood? a mixture of hot (Thoroughbred) blood and cold blood (Draught). I don't call them warmblood a better name is Sport Horse. Google "allbreedpedigree (dot) com" and type in a great jumpers name
Them elitist horse types don't like to use common folk descriptors like "paint" or god forbid "pinto". This horse is a pinto. But shhhhhhh don't say it out loud..