The JX8-P has even 6 Piano sounds, if you press the preset switch twice you'll come to the second bank. And they are good as well. My Oberheim Matrix 6 R also has some interesting Piano patches, which sound even a little bit more realistic on the bottom end, using the great key scaling techniques and the mod matrix. It doesn't have Cross-Mod but comes with FM to sound slightly metallic. Unfortunately I don't have that sound anymore. However these sound benefits from velocity, tracking, 2 oscillators, cross mod and modulation possibilities like the Mixer or pitch of the 2 oscillators individually by velo or key. So there should be more of the JX-8's competitors of that time. Besides the Matrix 6 this would be Akai but also the ESQ1 or even SQ80 by Ensoniq or some Kawai synths.
Born 77 This synth was and is my favorite 🎹 Pure 80s futuristic digital looking analogue synthesizer !!! As a child i always thought this is a piano ! 🤣 And synthesizers are big as starships 🙃🤪. Time goes by . Nice video as always. Thx
Much appreciated talks, realism is all great but the journey patches are also able to stand on their own and should be a thing. I for one will be trying to create more analog piano patches. 👍🏾
I’ve got a JX8P that was bought by one of my mentors more prodigious students in 1985 and went to my mentor. After my mentor passed away, his protégé sold the synthesizer to me. I always enjoyed playing the piano presets. One example of them being used on a pop record is the Simply Red debut album *Picture Book* from that year. I have enjoyed it from back when it was new, but after reading that they had one of these in their arsenal of equipment, I just covered the most prominent example of it is their Talking Heads cover, “Heaven”. I enjoyed getting the chance to play those presets myself and realizing that it was the next best thing to having something along the lines of the RM I Electra piano that Rick Wakeman played on Yes’ *Fragile.* On the subject of non-conventional piano sounds, there’s this present and another one of my Roland models, the VR-09, called “SA Piano”. It’s a dead ringer for the sound I know to be “Piano 3” on the RD-1000 digital piano, the closest anyone in the late 80s or early 90s could get to approximating the sound of the CP-70. That sound eventually made its way onto tracks recorded by Sir Elton John, Madonna, Amy Grant and Michael Jackson. It was also used in the logo for the production company Grace Films which gives us the Simpsons. I’ve adored that sound and used it on several of my tracks ever since I realized I had access to it. Here’s a link to attract that I released in August 2023 under my real name of Eric Benjamin Gordon. The piano tone on this song is (if I’m not mistaken) the “Piano 5” preset on the 8P. th-cam.com/video/MmT4RxafvoU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LwlLXP4W-hSF9d39
Its piano sounds are very good (dont forget piano 4,5,6 too) but imo the yamaha CP-30 has a more unique sound and full polyphony, which is very important for good piano playing
But did you know roland designed the oscillators of this model range to mimick fm overtones because the dx7 was topping sales , thats why jx8p /mks70 sound different than any roland
That makes totally sense although I never heard it was about the oscillators. The whole design and concept of the JX-8 P was aimed at the DX7. If you compare the Preset list with the preprogrammed voices of the DX 7 you'll find plenty similarities. Piano 1 probably is supposed to sound like the Epiano 1 which was so important at that time. It had velocity and aftertouch. It had these foil buttons it looks pretty similar to the DX7. I personally even have the theory they chose the name JX(!) 8(!) so people in a shop would think - looks the same, sounds good and 8 is one better than 7. Plus it's 400 $ less.
@@torbenanschau6641 the jx3p was released together with the dx7 so why did they only make it jx3p then if 8 was better ,thats a funny one ,on the front it says preset programmable polyphonic making it three p's , japanese humor
@@cnfuzz Just alone the x was a hint. But right the 3 came along with the 7 BUT noone even remotely imagined its success. Yamaha was not in the top range of synth manufacturers. The CS line was more or less gone, they had the SK-Series. But nothing to compete with Prophets Junos Jupiters Polysixes or OBs. So the DX7 was a shock and I guess thats why Roland tried to compete with the JX8. They couldnt yet come up with a digital synth so at least they tried to make an analogue look like it.
Pretty sure Eric Persing did all those patches. You know him as the Spectrasonics (Omnisphere, keyscape, etc.) owner. Please program that soundonsound piano patch that utilizes 2 tones. It's supposed to be awesome
I love your reviews I love my JX-8P too The Piano 4 preset is used on the opening of "Don't trust that woman" by Elton John and other jx tones all over "Leather Jackets" album
I love these piano patches, too. Even I am astonished that "someone else " has noticed it, already. Same with the JX-8P organ presets, for instance. But I am also guilty for having looked down on these sounds, then, in the past, when they were new. This is because - MIDI still was young, kinda.. - you had to find them "limited", when still everywhere very naturally all the "original instruments" in their full majesty were around: Fender Rhodes, Wurlitzer, Yamaha CP70, Hammond or Farfisa Organs with real Leslie Cabinets - or at least fullblown derivates like the (now vintage) Korg CX3. Today" we are more able to understand everything as "colors", that can enhance an arrangement. Degrationed (low fi, low res) sounds are as cool as "natural" ones - or even much cooler!
The prophet rev2 can do a pretty good piano that sounds like a very muted piano it involved it’s audio mod to full and only having one oscillator on pulse withy the filter 90% close and some freaky envelopes. The strange thing is I have tried to the same patch on other synths and it’s sounds nothing like the Rev2 version
I guess, the real reason why digital analog modeling synths does not sound as warm and rich, as the true analog synths, have something to do with bit depth and sample rate which even dowadays digital synths is most often 16bit/44.1khz CD quality, which is pretty good, but 24bit/96khz could provide more detailed sound and would reply especially high frequencies waveforms way more correctly.
I come here for synth talk but stay for the expressive hands.
The JX8-P has even 6 Piano sounds, if you press the preset switch twice you'll come to the second bank. And they are good as well. My Oberheim Matrix 6 R also has some interesting Piano patches, which sound even a little bit more realistic on the bottom end, using the great key scaling techniques and the mod matrix. It doesn't have Cross-Mod but comes with FM to sound slightly metallic. Unfortunately I don't have that sound anymore. However these sound benefits from velocity, tracking, 2 oscillators, cross mod and modulation possibilities like the Mixer or pitch of the 2 oscillators individually by velo or key. So there should be more of the JX-8's competitors of that time. Besides the Matrix 6 this would be Akai but also the ESQ1 or even SQ80 by Ensoniq or some Kawai synths.
I love the matrix 12 and 6 pianos.
The Matrix 12 can also do linear FM which makes it even more realistic!!!
Born 77
This synth was and is my favorite 🎹
Pure 80s futuristic digital looking
analogue synthesizer !!!
As a child i always thought this is a piano ! 🤣
And synthesizers are big as starships 🙃🤪. Time goes by .
Nice video as always. Thx
Best presenter in the music world. They should give him a raise or stock in the company.
That demo made me weep.
Me too!! I forgot about the keyboard for a sec.
Eric Persing designed sounds for the 8P & the 10. Pretty well documented. Widely used sounds at the time.
Much appreciated talks, realism is all great but the journey patches are also able to stand on their own and should be a thing. I for one will be trying to create more analog piano patches. 👍🏾
Thanks and please share when you do!
@@asoundlab
Definitely will 👍🏾
The warmest subtractive epiano I've heard.
JX8P and JX10 are the emperors.
I really really enjoyed this video. You make excellent content. Just got the JX-08 Boutique and the piano patches sound incredible.
This an awesome channel! I just discovered it, I should have known about it sooner!!
I’ve got a JX8P that was bought by one of my mentors more prodigious students in 1985 and went to my mentor. After my mentor passed away, his protégé sold the synthesizer to me. I always enjoyed playing the piano presets. One example of them being used on a pop record is the Simply Red debut album *Picture Book* from that year. I have enjoyed it from back when it was new, but after reading that they had one of these in their arsenal of equipment, I just covered the most prominent example of it is their Talking Heads cover, “Heaven”. I enjoyed getting the chance to play those presets myself and realizing that it was the next best thing to having something along the lines of the RM I Electra piano that Rick Wakeman played on Yes’ *Fragile.*
On the subject of non-conventional piano sounds, there’s this present and another one of my Roland models, the VR-09, called “SA Piano”. It’s a dead ringer for the sound I know to be “Piano 3” on the RD-1000 digital piano, the closest anyone in the late 80s or early 90s could get to approximating the sound of the CP-70. That sound eventually made its way onto tracks recorded by Sir Elton John, Madonna, Amy Grant and Michael Jackson. It was also used in the logo for the production company Grace Films which gives us the Simpsons. I’ve adored that sound and used it on several of my tracks ever since I realized I had access to it.
Here’s a link to attract that I released in August 2023 under my real name of Eric Benjamin Gordon. The piano tone on this song is (if I’m not mistaken) the “Piano 5” preset on the 8P.
th-cam.com/video/MmT4RxafvoU/w-d-xo.htmlsi=LwlLXP4W-hSF9d39
Its piano sounds are very good (dont forget piano 4,5,6 too) but imo the yamaha CP-30 has a more unique sound and full polyphony, which is very important for good piano playing
My JX-8P is sitting beside my CP-35 and my CP-60m. The JX has a lovely warmth to it, but I think you're correct.
But did you know roland designed the oscillators of this model range to mimick fm overtones because the dx7 was topping sales , thats why jx8p /mks70 sound different than any roland
That makes totally sense although I never heard it was about the oscillators. The whole design and concept of the JX-8 P was aimed at the DX7. If you compare the Preset list with the preprogrammed voices of the DX 7 you'll find plenty similarities. Piano 1 probably is supposed to sound like the Epiano 1 which was so important at that time. It had velocity and aftertouch. It had these foil buttons it looks pretty similar to the DX7. I personally even have the theory they chose the name JX(!) 8(!) so people in a shop would think - looks the same, sounds good and 8 is one better than 7. Plus it's 400 $ less.
@@torbenanschau6641 the jx3p was released together with the dx7 so why did they only make it jx3p then if 8 was better ,thats a funny one ,on the front it says preset programmable polyphonic making it three p's , japanese humor
@@cnfuzz Just alone the x was a hint. But right the 3 came along with the 7 BUT noone even remotely imagined its success. Yamaha was not in the top range of synth manufacturers. The CS line was more or less gone, they had the SK-Series. But nothing to compete with Prophets Junos Jupiters Polysixes or OBs. So the DX7 was a shock and I guess thats why Roland tried to compete with the JX8. They couldnt yet come up with a digital synth so at least they tried to make an analogue look like it.
Pretty sure Eric Persing did all those patches. You know him as the Spectrasonics (Omnisphere, keyscape, etc.) owner.
Please program that soundonsound piano patch that utilizes 2 tones. It's supposed to be awesome
I love your reviews
I love my JX-8P too
The Piano 4 preset is used on the opening of "Don't trust that woman" by Elton John and other jx tones all over "Leather Jackets" album
Thank you and awesome info, did not know!!
I thought it was the DX7
@@tlazohtlalia he used the DX7 in other songs in that album but that preset comes from the 8P!
I love these piano patches, too. Even I am astonished that "someone else " has noticed it, already. Same with the JX-8P organ presets, for instance.
But I am also guilty for having looked down on these sounds, then, in the past, when they were new.
This is because - MIDI still was young, kinda.. - you had to find them "limited", when still everywhere very naturally all the "original instruments" in their full majesty were around:
Fender Rhodes, Wurlitzer, Yamaha CP70, Hammond or Farfisa Organs with real Leslie Cabinets - or at least fullblown derivates like the (now vintage) Korg CX3.
Today" we are more able to understand everything as "colors", that can enhance an arrangement. Degrationed (low fi, low res) sounds are as cool as "natural" ones - or even much cooler!
Double that, sonically speaking, with a Roland JX10 or Super JX MKS70 (2 JX8's that can be layered: see SOS review of that era)!
You tricked me lol for the first 10 seconds i thought... This guy never ages lol! I
The prophet rev2 can do a pretty good piano that sounds like a very muted piano it involved it’s audio mod to full and only having one oscillator on pulse withy the filter 90% close and some freaky envelopes. The strange thing is I have tried to the same patch on other synths and it’s sounds nothing like the Rev2 version
I’ll have to check it out!
What is the demo song @4:55 ? I want to learn it. With some tremolo and autopan those tones would definitely tickle the brain.
4:55 That E.Piano low note sounds reminds me to George Michael's track, "A Different Corner". Maybe he used this JX Piano sound.
Have you tried the MKS-10? 16 generic analog piano voices plus chorus/flange.
I have not! Will look into it
Bro, What the name of that tune you played? Beautiful!
Original song! We’re working on getting it published
if you use just the resonance of the Prophet5 ( no OSC) you got the best Rhodes sound ever.
filter*
I guess, the real reason why digital analog modeling synths does not sound as warm and rich, as the true analog synths, have something to do with bit depth and sample rate which even dowadays digital synths is most often 16bit/44.1khz CD quality, which is pretty good, but 24bit/96khz could provide more detailed sound and would reply especially high frequencies waveforms way more correctly.
not realistic at all, but it's cool !
2 m’eh digital piano sounds, and a weak pseudo-harpsichord sound … … … CASE DISMISSED !! 👨⚖️
another Bla Bla Bla demo.