Hey there :) You forgot to add the 5% permanend tax from the HRE revoke (it stays at +65% in the video). I think you can only form Lubeck if you have 25 cities or less, but considering how impossible everything is this is equally as achievable, so forming even more countries shouldn't be a problem. I did some digging again! You can also start out as Korea, get permanent +10% tax from a mission (The Hopae System), and when forming the HRE in the end get their ideas (+20%) to replace the 30% of Kaurna for an easier start and better final ideas. Great Projects: Versailles is already mentioned Estate privileges: Religious Culture (Clergy, +10% national tax), Burghers Financial Demand (Burghers, 10% tax) Before forming France or any end game tag, you should form the following countries Tuscany, The Reforms of Peter Leopold event (+10%) Poland, +15% tax for 15 years from a mission (Tend to the East) If you flip muslim and enact one of the Iqta government reforms, you can get Efficient Tax Farming for +15% tax for 20 years. After that, when you switch back to Catholic, do the following: Make the pope dislike you so you can Declare Statute in Restraint of Appeals to be able to pass the Pass Dissolution of the Monasteries Act for 6% national tax (changes when you change religion). Then you can Revoke Restraint of Appeals again to get papal influence while keeping the 6% since you stay catholic.
I did mention the perm 5% from HRE revoke, but you can form Hansa anyway by giving his land away. The issue with the Korea start is that the only way of getting those 30% ideas is starting as them, and its better then the 10% from Korea.
You added more, so its worth another reply. Good job in general! Lets go through them. I made an editing mistake of the HRE revoke, not updating the counter, thats on me, well spotted. Lubeck is formable anyway in theory, so included! Korea start locks you out of the 30% in ideas from the Native Australians, since Korea isn't forbable, but with the 20% end thing yes you do end up with the same 30% overall so same paths. I picked Australia since it makes for better 'content' and lets me add in some bad jokes. Great Project I forgor again, thats on me. Estate privilege's: I hate the new ones, so many strong stuff there, but yes missing the clergy rel culture, and burger one. Tuscany I was aware of events, they actually get 2 for taxes, I just couldn't find them in game hence I gave up on it. Poland I was not aware of well spotted. Muslim did lose out, but you are correct that Iqta stays after flipping hence you can do that pop the tax and then flip into something else, so 15% there, but Catholic still wins out overall. The monestary one I also missed out on, well spotted! As always the real video is in the comments. Why is it that when I make a video on the topic, all the experts come out, and not before.
Thanks for the reply@@LemonCake101. I didn't add more/didn't edit my comment. It isn't that I'm an expert but it is easier to try and improve or find the last things missed in something someone else has created than do everything from scratch oneself!
@@anthroposium ah, I must have read it wrong last time, I thought you edited it. I try to not selectively ignore everything, but last night I was also mid stream. But no always good to see things I missed.
That was a big one! I am never underestimating a topic again. In other news pop in tomorrow for something special (pdx/speed 5 sponsored event??) (I am unable to reveal anything for now, so nothing tomorrow, my apologies). In other news, enjoy the 10th anniversary for Eu4, and come catch my MP stream at 7pm today or in an hour and a half from this upload if that is something that interests you.
Vassal income taxes is also a fun one. If you stack enough vassal tax modifiers, you can actually tax your vassals so much that they start making a loss and end up going in debt. You can then pay their debts with their own money, ensuring they will always have 0% liberty desire forever
@@trivane626 it was some weird OPM that was all about polluting their river inside the Empire of Anbennar, and making funny potions. They got buffs to artificer capacity based on subjects on different continents, hence I had to push it to the extreme for fun as it where, in the process getting 1.2 FL for every 1 FL the provinces they owned generated.
Really good video! I recently played France and I hate to say you missed one thing... France gets access to Iberian holy orders through a mission in the crusader branch, you can assign one for +25% tax. Also, 100% revanchism from losing land gives +50% tax modifier
I was just stacking this in a campaign as Aragon/Spain, just because, and adding the 25% tax from one of the holy orders is nice. Also realized while on a gigantic debt, that the parliament comeback mechanic is super powerful.
How about prosperity and the burgher privilege that gives +10% national tax? I'm sure there's even more sources that were missed but regardless that is some efficient taxation.
did you consider emperor of china? the eunuchs can give massive tax bonus 1% per owned land, you get the conduct population census for 25% tax, single whip law 10% tax & you get access to a more powerful version of the holy order bonuses Iberian nations called grand coordinator offices for 20% tax.
the emperor of China 25% I included, the single whip law and estates however end up getting locked behind endtags unfortunately, and France just wins out the endtag race, with the Genoa, Naples and the two events.
@@LemonCake101 fair enough. I just have missed the emperor buff in the video. Still pretty nutty tax buff. I tried my own min max tax game as the papal state tho it wasn’t quite this high but does have the advantage of extra permeant tax via events
Isn't being indian muslim is more profitable than being catholic? 20% taxes from ulemas, 20% taxes from Brahmins, 20% taxes from legalism and you can also press Iqta tax button for +15% taxes if you have Somalian theocracy government reform. And also, did you mention +50% Local tax modifier state edict which you can obtain in Age of Discovery if you have according government reform?
You do lose the edict lategame, hence not possible to stack with the others. As for Muslim, ulema 20% is same as catholic clergy, brahmins have incompatible culture requirements as does the Iqta (needs government types that isn't theocracy) so it does come out under I believe, although the Somalin one may need to be looked at.
Can you try to get the lowest dev cost for a single province? (I'm pretty sure you can dev institutions for like 100 monarch points even without this maxed)
@@LemonCake101understandably, as there is a ton, and I mean, a toooon of modifiers, missions, modifiers, that can give specific provinces Dev cost. It is a nightmare
Just here to say that france is and was when that video released an endgame tag. Also you can't simply change to a theocracy if you have the celestial empire. It would be possible with tibet horde as a inbetween step but then you lose the decree and whole reason to get EoC.
Indeed, that is why France should be your last country formed in this list. As for the Celestial Empire, it has been a while since that video, but I believe I had it marked as a temporary buff you pop and then move to get the other things.
Since you would need to be France for the state edicts you would also have to be a subject of an Iberian nation and have them establish holy orders in every state you own.
I believe you left out some crucial estate pruvileges, like the burguers one that gives +10% tax, the development of temples and religious culture from clergy, and I believe that migth be another one. Also, if you get a crusade, i believe you get an extra tax aswell, but I'm not sure
So burgers yes I forgor, as did monuments, development of taxes is included, rel culture from clergy also did forgor my bad, and Crusade is included, its 10%.
basically yes, but I still end up missing them. Control F doesn't work on the entire game code, and you end up with a lot of stuff you can't use, like every mention of the ideas.
@@LemonCake101I would even go and argue that any tax dev you get is negative as you have to spend mana to core it and gov cap. Meanwhile I could make 1000 ducats from just one steering, probably more than the entire european tax dev income combined...
Thank you very much. Although I really appreciate that you read all the comments and reply them I wish you got so much subscription that becomes impossible :D. @@LemonCake101
Hey there :)
You forgot to add the 5% permanend tax from the HRE revoke (it stays at +65% in the video).
I think you can only form Lubeck if you have 25 cities or less, but considering how impossible everything is this is equally as achievable, so forming even more countries shouldn't be a problem. I did some digging again!
You can also start out as Korea, get permanent +10% tax from a mission (The Hopae System), and when forming the HRE in the end get their ideas (+20%) to replace the 30% of Kaurna for an easier start and better final ideas.
Great Projects: Versailles is already mentioned
Estate privileges: Religious Culture (Clergy, +10% national tax), Burghers Financial Demand (Burghers, 10% tax)
Before forming France or any end game tag, you should form the following countries
Tuscany, The Reforms of Peter Leopold event (+10%)
Poland, +15% tax for 15 years from a mission (Tend to the East)
If you flip muslim and enact one of the Iqta government reforms, you can get Efficient Tax Farming for +15% tax for 20 years. After that, when you switch back to Catholic, do the following:
Make the pope dislike you so you can Declare Statute in Restraint of Appeals to be able to pass the Pass Dissolution of the Monasteries Act for 6% national tax (changes when you change religion). Then you can Revoke Restraint of Appeals again to get papal influence while keeping the 6% since you stay catholic.
I did mention the perm 5% from HRE revoke, but you can form Hansa anyway by giving his land away. The issue with the Korea start is that the only way of getting those 30% ideas is starting as them, and its better then the 10% from Korea.
You added more, so its worth another reply. Good job in general! Lets go through them. I made an editing mistake of the HRE revoke, not updating the counter, thats on me, well spotted. Lubeck is formable anyway in theory, so included!
Korea start locks you out of the 30% in ideas from the Native Australians, since Korea isn't forbable, but with the 20% end thing yes you do end up with the same 30% overall so same paths. I picked Australia since it makes for better 'content' and lets me add in some bad jokes.
Great Project I forgor again, thats on me.
Estate privilege's: I hate the new ones, so many strong stuff there, but yes missing the clergy rel culture, and burger one.
Tuscany I was aware of events, they actually get 2 for taxes, I just couldn't find them in game hence I gave up on it.
Poland I was not aware of well spotted.
Muslim did lose out, but you are correct that Iqta stays after flipping hence you can do that pop the tax and then flip into something else, so 15% there, but Catholic still wins out overall. The monestary one I also missed out on, well spotted!
As always the real video is in the comments. Why is it that when I make a video on the topic, all the experts come out, and not before.
Thanks for the reply@@LemonCake101. I didn't add more/didn't edit my comment. It isn't that I'm an expert but it is easier to try and improve or find the last things missed in something someone else has created than do everything from scratch oneself!
@@anthroposium ah, I must have read it wrong last time, I thought you edited it. I try to not selectively ignore everything, but last night I was also mid stream. But no always good to see things I missed.
The berber iqta is culture bound so you can get it as a catholic.
The mere idea of unevadable taxes sends a deep, cold fear through my body
Even better... 800% taxes.
@@LemonCake101 Jesus Cristo
@@l0lLorenzol0l no amount of religious conversion or reformaton can escape you from this fate
@@LemonCake101 At that point, you're just not allowed to have money anymore
@@infinitytower8957 nope, straight to jail
you forgot about versailles monument for 20% global tax
... you are correct, I did! Well spotted
That says alot about the french that they would do that
That was a big one! I am never underestimating a topic again. In other news pop in tomorrow for something special (pdx/speed 5 sponsored event??) (I am unable to reveal anything for now, so nothing tomorrow, my apologies). In other news, enjoy the 10th anniversary for Eu4, and come catch my MP stream at 7pm today or in an hour and a half from this upload if that is something that interests you.
Vassal income taxes is also a fun one. If you stack enough vassal tax modifiers, you can actually tax your vassals so much that they start making a loss and end up going in debt. You can then pay their debts with their own money, ensuring they will always have 0% liberty desire forever
Yup, I did a vassal tax build in Anbennar actually, was quite fun. Not a bad video idea!
@@LemonCake101 who did you play to maximize your vassal tax?
@@trivane626 it was some weird OPM that was all about polluting their river inside the Empire of Anbennar, and making funny potions. They got buffs to artificer capacity based on subjects on different continents, hence I had to push it to the extreme for fun as it where, in the process getting 1.2 FL for every 1 FL the provinces they owned generated.
The pain this man goes through for our entertainment
I like to think I try. Thanks for your support!
Really good video! I recently played France and I hate to say you missed one thing... France gets access to Iberian holy orders through a mission in the crusader branch, you can assign one for +25% tax. Also, 100% revanchism from losing land gives +50% tax modifier
I missed the France Holy Orders because ofc France gets holy orders now perfectly balanced, although I have to say Revanchism is included.
lowest tax-percentage for the single mother with 3 kids and 5 jobs
3 kids? Sounds like you have the time for the 6th job.
"Taaxxmeettaa" - Zlewikk
We will make it meta!
As a european i can confirm that we have an 873% tax rate on all brackets
understandable
I was just stacking this in a campaign as Aragon/Spain, just because, and adding the 25% tax from one of the holy orders is nice. Also realized while on a gigantic debt, that the parliament comeback mechanic is super powerful.
How about prosperity and the burgher privilege that gives +10% national tax? I'm sure there's even more sources that were missed but regardless that is some efficient taxation.
oh ofc, the new Burger privilege I forgot about that, and prosperity doesn't give tax, I checked.
@LemonCake101 oh, that was in an MP mod then because most of them nerf the goods produced modifier, and to make up for it you get a bit of tax.
@@JK-qi7pp yup, even Lemon Mod does that, so fair enough. But not in base game.
It would be cool to see how much local tax a single province can have.
An interesting run for sure, but not what I was going for.
Ah I think you missed one, if you go for the conservatives government reform in the British tree you get an extra +1000% National tax
When the Tories said they are good on economy, I don't think that's what they meant.
Imagine your tax is more than your entire wage 10 times
Scandinavia Simulator
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did you consider emperor of china? the eunuchs can give massive tax bonus 1% per owned land, you get the conduct population census for 25% tax, single whip law 10% tax & you get access to a more powerful version of the holy order bonuses Iberian nations called grand coordinator offices for 20% tax.
the emperor of China 25% I included, the single whip law and estates however end up getting locked behind endtags unfortunately, and France just wins out the endtag race, with the Genoa, Naples and the two events.
@@LemonCake101 fair enough. I just have missed the emperor buff in the video. Still pretty nutty tax buff. I tried my own min max tax game as the papal state tho it wasn’t quite this high but does have the advantage of extra permeant tax via events
Lmao let’s do a coup and collect back taxes from the 5mln years ago labor
Look, the state needs the money.
For some reason PDX gave Australian nations cracked ideas
They where trying to get someone to play in the area. They failed.
Isn't being indian muslim is more profitable than being catholic? 20% taxes from ulemas, 20% taxes from Brahmins, 20% taxes from legalism and you can also press Iqta tax button for +15% taxes if you have Somalian theocracy government reform. And also, did you mention +50% Local tax modifier state edict which you can obtain in Age of Discovery if you have according government reform?
You do lose the edict lategame, hence not possible to stack with the others. As for Muslim, ulema 20% is same as catholic clergy, brahmins have incompatible culture requirements as does the Iqta (needs government types that isn't theocracy) so it does come out under I believe, although the Somalin one may need to be looked at.
Can you try to get the lowest dev cost for a single province? (I'm pretty sure you can dev institutions for like 100 monarch points even without this maxed)
interesting suggestion, I am just a bit scared of touching dev cost
Aren't institutions based on the general amount of points you use developing, and not the amount of Dev you get from those points?
@@LemonCake101understandably, as there is a ton, and I mean, a toooon of modifiers, missions, modifiers, that can give specific provinces Dev cost. It is a nightmare
@@hotman_pt_ no, it's based on the number of times deved and the level of dev
@@hotman_pt_ yes it is but the percentage gain of institutions is capped at ten percent. So deving anything more costly than 100 points is bad.
Just here to say that france is and was when that video released an endgame tag. Also you can't simply change to a theocracy if you have the celestial empire. It would be possible with tibet horde as a inbetween step but then you lose the decree and whole reason to get EoC.
Indeed, that is why France should be your last country formed in this list. As for the Celestial Empire, it has been a while since that video, but I believe I had it marked as a temporary buff you pop and then move to get the other things.
The fabled *tax meta*
Happy to deliver
What about the holy orders that the iberians get, can you get extra tax in all of your states from those?
Ah, yes you can. I also did forget about those, well done!
Since you would need to be France for the state edicts you would also have to be a subject of an Iberian nation and have them establish holy orders in every state you own.
ruler decapitation speedrun*
Hey, the taxes should be enough to afford a REALLY loyal bodyguard!
6:53 You added these to the all counter, but not the permanent counter.
ah, my bad
Has anyone mentioned The Finnish mission for +5% tax per admin advisor level?
Wasn’t in the game when I made the video I don’t think
@LemonCake101 ah, fair lmao
I believe you left out some crucial estate pruvileges, like the burguers one that gives +10% tax, the development of temples and religious culture from clergy, and I believe that migth be another one. Also, if you get a crusade, i believe you get an extra tax aswell, but I'm not sure
So burgers yes I forgor, as did monuments, development of taxes is included, rel culture from clergy also did forgor my bad, and Crusade is included, its 10%.
How do you make these? Do you Ctrl F through the code for every instance of the national tax modifier code and just organize them in a spreadsheet?
basically yes, but I still end up missing them. Control F doesn't work on the entire game code, and you end up with a lot of stuff you can't use, like every mention of the ideas.
That'll be 8.25 € for posting this vid sir
Damn, my add revenue would be like a 1/10th of that
@@LemonCake101 And 85 cents for adding this comment
Now tax your vassals to the max next with the highest possible Income from Vassals modifier
On the list!
Can you do best general stats next?
Interesting suggestion, already on the list.
The french Event modifiers are permanent though, so that's another 20% permanent modifier!
Ah was it! My bad, well spotted!
Hey
You forgot Versailles great project which provides +20% National tax modifier
Or i missed that
Also ottoman has +15% National tax modifier from mission Fate of the Patriarchate
And poland has +15% National tax modifier from mission Tend to the East
And hungary +10% National tax modifier from mission A Strong Government
So the palace and any other Great Project I forgot yes, however to answer the other comments:
Ottomans are an endtag and also not formable.
Great job , can you make siege ability??
On the list!
Ok, but what about production efficiency? And how badly can it get, if half of your provinces are gold mines?
Actually fine since production efficiency does not effect gold. But its on the list! (Goods produced is also on the list, and it does effect gold)
@@LemonCake101 Good to know, that PE doesn't affect gold, but GP does.
@@pelinalwhitestrake3367 yup, its one of the more obscure things, but thats why you can't build a workshop on gold.
How hungarian politican calculate how far he can go with tax
Hungary is modifier stacking confirmed???
Most taxed vassals(make them go bankrupt
I live on that island you started off the video with
Ah, congratulations. How's the tax down there?
Hmm yes 500%+ modifer on my 1 tax dev provinces. Soo goood.
its too OP pdx please nerf
@@LemonCake101 funny thing to me is that even with 1000% it would still be worse than productio, atleast in my games....
@@jarvee9407 yup, I talked about that at the end of the video. Shame I didn't make it to 1k %, would have been great!
@@LemonCake101I would even go and argue that any tax dev you get is negative as you have to spend mana to core it and gov cap. Meanwhile I could make 1000 ducats from just one steering, probably more than the entire european tax dev income combined...
@@jarvee9407 oh yeah again trade is the way to go, no arguing that. However tax still exists, and content is content.
Max goods produced next?
On the list!
Pov you are playing from Italy
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how high cahn you stack female advisor chance
modifier too OP can't stack that will break the game
Video sound is so low.
fair enough will bare it in mind
Thank you very much. Although I really appreciate that you read all the comments and reply them I wish you got so much subscription that becomes impossible :D. @@LemonCake101
That's fucked up.
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How would that much tax even work? Like where would people even get money lol
Sounds like a problem for the peasants, and not for me.
@@LemonCake101 true, haha
Tax hell
Well I dunno, as a collector it seems quite nice.
Realistically, High Tax Income should cut into your production and trade income.
eh, it would make it even worse then it already is.
Tax Meta!!
Thats the dream!
IRS pilled
Hey, they are just there to enforce it!
This whole idea seems dirty I still don't care about taxes as a eu4 player. Trade income and manpower is all I need.
its not about the money, its about sending a message
life started billions of years ago mate not millions lmao
Technically I am correct. It was millions of years ago
@@LemonCake101 what do you mean
Hahaha i like taxing my socialist comrades 825% of their income 😈
Its called re-distribution, thank you.
türkiye simulator
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Turkey be like
I love how Turkey is in the comment section for both Maximum Taxes, and abolishing Taxes.
Not even comparible to the Lowest Modern Day Tax bracket.
I really hope the brackets aren't above 100% :(
Also Versailles Palace gives +20% national tax at max level
Yup, missed that one as many others pointed out.
French people be like:
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Dude you need a better mic
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