Digging the Premo instrumental in the opening test segment!! Nice little feature - may be replacing my 38 with one of these later in the season/early next year.
I'm grabbing the 180mm for my 2022 stumpjumper should be here next week!!!! Then I'm hitting up sunrise MTB park! I know it may set the front up a little higher so I'm doing the flip chip to help it out some. Thanks for the video
Isn't the new dumper charger 3 with "New" IFP design less sensitive/active than old charger 2.1 with bladder design ? Because the IFP piston with coil spring has the basic charger for example in Lyrik RC and in comparison with charger 2.1 there is noticable less sensitive than charger 2.1 with blader. And the same feal have when I ride in fox38 grip 2 les sensitivity more firm and soon tired hands. I had Lyrik and now on new bike have fox38 I am not satisfied with it, I deciding between Zeb charger 2.1 or charger 3 , my priority is sensitivity, no compresion dumping I use compresion on fully open. Could you help me to chose the right one ? With sensitivity like lyrik ultimate.
Sheesh. My poor Dreadnought looks the same after stripping off the "old" ZEB Ultimate. Barely ridable these days. 😂🤣 Just kidding. Really stoked to try out the new one in the next days.
3:59 my thoughts exactly 👍🏻😋😉 never really liked kashima and never wanted grip2. from the bottom bracket level and below, a bike must be black or dark....so: either performance elite or rockshox
You don't know what you're missing, fox is clearly superior in everything... Rockshox still has a lot to do in my opinion. The forks are very stiff and slide very little, the mono very stiff and accommodating. With fox there is no story brother
@@SaettaJhey buddy🤝🏻🤝🏻🤝🏻🤝🏻 I may have expressed myself a bit unhappily. I ride all of the manufacturers and i like both of them - Fox and Rockshox suspension. I think both are very good. My personal experience - Kashima and grip2 come in handy from a certain rider weight and terrain. I am one of lightweight riders framesize M user😂😂😂😂
@@a.sonetwo4547 No problem bro, the problem is that you need to know how to prepare the fox grip 2, the originals are stiff and difficult to set, and there is also a big difference between the standard version and the tuned emtb version
@Fanatik Bike Co. Did you notice difference in mid stroke support (compared to old Zeb)? If so, was it clear difference or something barely noticeable?
I have an F38 Factory and I can't make it as plush as I would like, even with a Shockwiz (now trying 77psi and I'm 195 pounds...). Is the Zeb really more plush than the F38?
Definitely. RockShox caters to that type of feeling, Fox moreso towards the "racer," stiff suspension feel. How many volume reducers are you running in your 38? - Dan at Fanatik
My 36 feels like butter, much plusher and supportive than the pike ultimate it replaced. If you have the grip2 it’s probably a setup issue. I weigh 72kg and have 3 spacers and 50 psi.
The 38 comes in two versions: ebike tuned and standard. Both versions must be opened and prepared as on all mtb forks in circulation. I advise you to try an Emtb tuned and do the smoothness processing. The fox 38 gives its maximum performance. We prepare the forks every day and the result is guaranteed. Fox is better then Rockshox zeb... no way bro !
So you can preorder that fork at the moment. We are probably a couple weeks off before they land at the shop and can be shipped out to customers. But if you wanted to get in line for them as soon as they arrive you can order now or set up a notification for when they do land! www.fanatikbike.com/products/rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-27-5-charger-3-rc2-37mm-offset
Which one is more comfortable, 2023 Zeb due to butter cups (but stiffer) vs 2021 Lyric Ultimate (less stiff but no buttercups). Concern is hand/arm fatigue.
Anyone who tells you one fork is more comfortable over another has no clue. “Comfortable” is subjective. What tyres and pressure you run, tubes or tubeless, frame material, wheel material, spoke tension, bars, grips etc as factors in. It’s like asking someone if chicken or beef is better, you’ll get a million answers. Between a lyrik and a 36 there’s very little difference but people love to pick a side and argue.
The forks are currently released and available for preorder. Availability is limited but we are seeing them trickle in. You can find them all right on our website and see availability there! www.fanatikbike.com/
Its the Chromag Trailmaster LTD. Its their oiled and embossed heavy stock leather saddle. Pretty sweet one! Right now we only have the PINE color in stock at the shop but they do make a black leather color and a "chocolate" color which is what I have. www.fanatikbike.com/products/chromag-trailmaster-ltd-saddle-1 -Rich
Cannot get my hands on the charger 3 damper to upgrade my 2023 Zeb select to save my life. No one in the U.S. has them in stock and no one can tell me when they might restock.
Yeah they are a tough one to come by at the moment. You can certainly hit the notify me when available button on our website to get notified when they come in stock but right now no solid ETA's from RS. We saw 3 of them come into the warehouse this month but they were gone as soon as they went up on the site. www.fanatikbike.com/products/rockshox-charger3-rc2-w-buttercups-damper-upgrade-kit-for-2021-zeb
@@FanatikBikeCo Yeah, signed up to be notified in just about every site there is, had to do the same thing with the new Debonair+ with buttercups. Luckily I got one from you guys
So which is more poppy? I modded my previous and current RS forks to have more negative chamber volume so the spring curve became much more progressive without the need for tokens. Sounds like the new stuff is mostly extra damped? I don't like that. Also, the Zeb was +21.5%, 7% & 2% stiffer than the Lyrik. The new Lyrik is +20%. So they're the same now @160?
"New technology" lol. My first suspension forks ran on "buttercup technology", like 25 years ago, Dont be a freakin shill because RS sends you nice stuff, rubber bumpers arent exactly revolutionary. In fact, DVO is doins something MUCH better, for quite some time now. Wheres the review/comparison of/with that? Your favorite "new improvement" are the buttercups? Man are you goina be blown away by OTT. Shocker: Coils exist! They really do!
Same with the “brand new” IFP damper technology which has been on Fox’s budget GRIP damper since 2017. Somehow every marketing season there’s a “revolutionary” improvement
You misunderstand the technology. Buttercups are an isolated air and damper mounting point. Not a bottom out bumper. Also OTT is a total hack to save cost marketed as a ‘feature’.
@@akjdhfkqwrhetkjanfvkkkresae No, ive looked into Rock Shox marketing jizz, its literally just a rubber bumper. And arguably a spring does a better job at it.
@@CptMooney You're absolutely wrong in your use of the word bumper as that implies it is used at bottom out. Could be a semantic thing but It is actually novel and a good idea.
wow so the new rockshox fork is the fox 38 in black color. I guess copycat is the name of the game for bike industries. did rockshox go to the same facrory that produces fox forks and asked if they could paint the fox 38s in black and slap on rockshox zeb sticker on it?
Rockshox stepped up their game. Can’t wait to get a 170 Zeb on my rig.
Digging the Premo instrumental in the opening test segment!! Nice little feature - may be replacing my 38 with one of these later in the season/early next year.
Any thoughts on no more sag markings on the stanchions? Personally, I can't understand why they did this.
One of the small things I loved about their forks.
Costs and ongoing issues with material availability. They can now manufacture only a few stanchion configurations for the whole lineup.
Measuring sag on a fork is dumb. Try doing it 5 times and getting a consistent reading.
@@akjdhfkqwrhetkjanfvkkkresae i think this is the primary reason they did it
Fork sag doesn't matter
I'm grabbing the 180mm for my 2022 stumpjumper should be here next week!!!! Then I'm hitting up sunrise MTB park! I know it may set the front up a little higher so I'm doing the flip chip to help it out some. Thanks for the video
Hope you're digging it!!
You're welcome!
- Dan and the rest of us at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCo I definitely loving it it so smooth. I ran it once down runrise and then upgraded to a evo stumpy. She's a fast bike
Awesome build on that dreadnought 💪
I just got a new Zeb and everything is great! Noticed every click is felt right away! But I don’t really think I noticed the buttercups.
Isn't the new dumper charger 3 with "New" IFP design less sensitive/active than old charger 2.1 with bladder design ?
Because the IFP piston with coil spring has the basic charger for example in Lyrik RC and in comparison with charger 2.1 there is noticable less sensitive than charger 2.1 with blader. And the same feal have when I ride in fox38 grip 2 les sensitivity more firm and soon tired hands.
I had Lyrik and now on new bike have fox38 I am not satisfied with it, I deciding between Zeb charger 2.1 or charger 3 , my priority is sensitivity, no compresion dumping I use compresion on fully open. Could you help me to chose the right one ? With sensitivity like lyrik ultimate.
Find it funny that all products arebalways great. These are supposed to be way better but previously already nobody complained...
They better be great if we're going to take the time to make a video about them. Otherwise, why would we be pushing them ;)
- Dan at Fanatik
My men Cassady Campbell actually knows a lot about mountainbikes.
Sheesh. My poor Dreadnought looks the same after stripping off the "old" ZEB Ultimate. Barely ridable these days. 😂🤣 Just kidding. Really stoked to try out the new one in the next days.
I like more adjust adjustment categories but not not more clicks per category..
3:59 my thoughts exactly 👍🏻😋😉 never really liked kashima and never wanted grip2. from the bottom bracket level and below, a bike must be black or dark....so: either performance elite or rockshox
You don't know what you're missing, fox is clearly superior in everything... Rockshox still has a lot to do in my opinion. The forks are very stiff and slide very little, the mono very stiff and accommodating. With fox there is no story brother
@@SaettaJhey buddy🤝🏻🤝🏻🤝🏻🤝🏻
I may have expressed myself a bit unhappily. I ride all of the manufacturers and i like both of them - Fox and Rockshox suspension. I think both are very good. My personal experience - Kashima and grip2 come in handy from a certain rider weight and terrain.
I am one of lightweight riders framesize M user😂😂😂😂
@@a.sonetwo4547 No problem bro, the problem is that you need to know how to prepare the fox grip 2, the originals are stiff and difficult to set, and there is also a big difference between the standard version and the tuned emtb version
@@SaettaJ ah...ok ok. Understand. If you are talking about customized Emtb suspension - i have to admit that I have no clue about it :)))
Sick! 🔥
@Fanatik Bike Co. Did you notice difference in mid stroke support (compared to old Zeb)? If so, was it clear difference or something barely noticeable?
Does this guy work at Park Tool?
Dialed in!!
I have an F38 Factory and I can't make it as plush as I would like, even with a Shockwiz (now trying 77psi and I'm 195 pounds...). Is the Zeb really more plush than the F38?
Definitely. RockShox caters to that type of feeling, Fox moreso towards the "racer," stiff suspension feel.
How many volume reducers are you running in your 38?
- Dan at Fanatik
@@FanatikBikeCo Dan, I'm Olivier who ordered last Friday(Credit Card denied!). I have installed my new Zeb today and should try it in a week. Cheers
My 36 feels like butter, much plusher and supportive than the pike ultimate it replaced. If you have the grip2 it’s probably a setup issue. I weigh 72kg and have 3 spacers and 50 psi.
The 38 comes in two versions: ebike tuned and standard. Both versions must be opened and prepared as on all mtb forks in circulation. I advise you to try an Emtb tuned and do the smoothness processing. The fox 38 gives its maximum performance. We prepare the forks every day and the result is guaranteed. Fox is better then Rockshox zeb... no way bro !
where do you get the stock setting from?
The fork came with it...stock
When will I be able to buy a 2023 Lyrik Ultimate in BLACK for 27.5" and 37mm offset????
So you can preorder that fork at the moment. We are probably a couple weeks off before they land at the shop and can be shipped out to customers. But if you wanted to get in line for them as soon as they arrive you can order now or set up a notification for when they do land!
www.fanatikbike.com/products/rockshox-lyrik-ultimate-27-5-charger-3-rc2-37mm-offset
Does all new RS forks cones with the fork bag?
Unfortunately no! Those bags are sweet though. If you order a fork its gonna come in the standard cardboard fork box
Which one is more comfortable, 2023 Zeb due to butter cups (but stiffer) vs 2021 Lyric Ultimate (less stiff but no buttercups). Concern is hand/arm fatigue.
How much do you weigh and what are your most-ridden trails like?
Is the 2023 Lyrik an option?
- Dan at Fanatik
Anyone who tells you one fork is more comfortable over another has no clue. “Comfortable” is subjective. What tyres and pressure you run, tubes or tubeless, frame material, wheel material, spoke tension, bars, grips etc as factors in. It’s like asking someone if chicken or beef is better, you’ll get a million answers. Between a lyrik and a 36 there’s very little difference but people love to pick a side and argue.
When do these forks come out?
The forks are currently released and available for preorder. Availability is limited but we are seeing them trickle in. You can find them all right on our website and see availability there!
www.fanatikbike.com/
@@FanatikBikeCo Okay so we still don't know when they will be released
What's that brown saddle Sir?
Its the Chromag Trailmaster LTD. Its their oiled and embossed heavy stock leather saddle. Pretty sweet one! Right now we only have the PINE color in stock at the shop but they do make a black leather color and a "chocolate" color which is what I have.
www.fanatikbike.com/products/chromag-trailmaster-ltd-saddle-1
-Rich
@@FanatikBikeCo its a nice compliment to skin wall tires & grip, & pedals. thanks.
Run that low speed wide open. Damn it feels good to be a gangster...
Cannot get my hands on the charger 3 damper to upgrade my 2023 Zeb select to save my life. No one in the U.S. has them in stock and no one can tell me when they might restock.
Yeah they are a tough one to come by at the moment. You can certainly hit the notify me when available button on our website to get notified when they come in stock but right now no solid ETA's from RS. We saw 3 of them come into the warehouse this month but they were gone as soon as they went up on the site.
www.fanatikbike.com/products/rockshox-charger3-rc2-w-buttercups-damper-upgrade-kit-for-2021-zeb
@@FanatikBikeCo Yeah, signed up to be notified in just about every site there is, had to do the same thing with the new Debonair+ with buttercups. Luckily I got one from you guys
So which is more poppy? I modded my previous and current RS forks to have more negative chamber volume so the spring curve became much more progressive without the need for tokens.
Sounds like the new stuff is mostly extra damped? I don't like that.
Also, the Zeb was +21.5%, 7% & 2% stiffer than the Lyrik. The new Lyrik is +20%. So they're the same now @160?
"New technology" lol. My first suspension forks ran on "buttercup technology", like 25 years ago,
Dont be a freakin shill because RS sends you nice stuff, rubber bumpers arent exactly revolutionary.
In fact, DVO is doins something MUCH better, for quite some time now. Wheres the review/comparison of/with that?
Your favorite "new improvement" are the buttercups? Man are you goina be blown away by OTT. Shocker: Coils exist! They really do!
Same with the “brand new” IFP damper technology which has been on Fox’s budget GRIP damper since 2017. Somehow every marketing season there’s a “revolutionary” improvement
You misunderstand the technology. Buttercups are an isolated air and damper mounting point. Not a bottom out bumper. Also OTT is a total hack to save cost marketed as a ‘feature’.
@@akjdhfkqwrhetkjanfvkkkresae No, ive looked into Rock Shox marketing jizz, its literally just a rubber bumper. And arguably a spring does a better job at it.
@@CptMooney You're absolutely wrong in your use of the word bumper as that implies it is used at bottom out. Could be a semantic thing but It is actually novel and a good idea.
@@CptMooney the bumper is a damper. A spring is... A spring.
The spring stores energy, the bumper dissipates it. Big difference.
Wow
wow so the new rockshox fork is the fox 38 in black color. I guess copycat is the name of the game for bike industries. did rockshox go to the same facrory that produces fox forks and asked if they could paint the fox 38s in black and slap on rockshox zeb sticker on it?
Are you 10
@@mattrohr1266🤣
Tell me you are being paid by Sram without telling me your being paid by Sram
We are not being paid by SRAM.
- Dan at Fanatik