After considering it, I think the game has indirectly forced everyone into grinding for efficiency. We're all creatures of FOMO, no one is willing to fall behind doing lifeskills for 400m/hr if a pve grinder can make +1b/hr, even though they enjoy lifeskilling much more. This is one of the core reasons why the game has grown stagnant in general. When you see everyone indirectly funneled into one path, there's no real fun, it just feels like an endless grind for shiny new gear - which makes failing an enhancement even more crushing. If we rewind a few years, when you can corner the market by gathering and process (cooking/alch) and make more money than someone grinding. Same with training, you can focus on training and make just as much if not more than grinding. Currently, everyone is racing to get gear, grind, enhance, fail, grind, buy crons, enhance, and so on rinse/repeat - All just because grinding is the best way to progress. Truly think a sandbox MMO needs to diversify how players can compete for progression through all means. Therefore, in my opinion, we need to substantially buff lifeskilling to start. Once lifeskills and grinding are somewhat balanced, then add more content overall. More things to do for sailing, more fish to be caught, more crops to farm, more materials to gather, bring back better trading and maybe let us sell T10 horses or introduce a new mount. Monetize more creatively, a lot more cosmetics items for sale - that's not costumes. Such as different skins for t10 and t9 mounts? Not gear, but actually changes the look and color of the mounts. Same as different skins for boats/ships. Maybe a cool jump animation? Like reforming an existing move to have a cooler more flashy animation or even just a really cool BSR effect animation to replace the default. Maybe add platform puzzles throughout the world for treasures and achievement. So people can test their button control and not just how to grind in a circle. Imagine accessing a floating city only by climbing and parkour to open up the Magnus well there. I'm a simple man, I'll pay if you put in some effort to earn my money, not by monetizing via the cron stone system.
What a post!! I think all the points you mentioned are spot on.... I definitely agree that lifeskilling needs a huge overhaul and needs to be somewhat on par with general grinding depending on the mastery you have... probably the only lifeskill that is decent is the sniper rifle hunting in loml which I do enjoy but we need more lifeskills like that and they need to be relevant. Also more different cosmetic options would awesome... thanks for sharing and watching!!
to piggy back off your greats points, the biggest killer for me is the multiple ways they monetize your time. I never feel like i can just log on and progress a bit. I have to triple check buffs, loot scrolls, etc its just fucking exhausting. I just want to chuckle at shai when i spam forward dodge IN MENTAL PEACE!
@@imabautakaum Lol Imagine if you're on WOW or TOL, if you don't do something daily, you're behind. I have never felt obligated to do anything in this game, except when I have a goal I'm trying to accomplish. So may all shais be chuckled at.
5:10 I mean you can still buy the second highest enhancement level for the new accessories by buying V debo off the market and converting it. I kind of like that the absolute highest level gear has to be obtained by enhancement and not by selling outfits- I mean buying them off the market.
Yeah I definitely understand that perspective, I just wish they weren't so reliant on crons but it is nice that they are much cheaper to enhance so there's definitely pros and cons and the reason why I would like them to be on the market is just return on investment so if I ever wanted to be a full-time lifeskiller, in the current state I wouldn't, I could sell my gear to buy lifeskilling gear as an example... thanks for watching and sharing!
kharazads are nice and all and a small step in the right direction for GEARING. But the elephant in the room is content, and why are we grinding for gear. The already niche community, is even more niche if your saying the main content is "gear chase". That's a given to whats supposed to be 5-10 main pieces of content that used from gear chasing. PA needs to explain to us why and what we are grinding for that excites players to do it in the first place. If they don't this trend will continue.
But this has been the case since the game released. Its really weird as someone who has been playing since 2016 to see people all of a sudden take issue with this. More meaningful pve content like a tower to climb solo or with a friend or couple friends would be cool(need options, BDO is a primarily solo playerbase) or things like that would be awesome, don't get me wrong. Its just a weird shift to see after 10 years of what people are complaining about existing for all of those 10 years.
@@TheCosmicAstro- because not everyone been playing for 10 years ? just because it's not an issue for veteran, it's not an issue for everyone no ? It's precisely because there's no change even after 10 years thus people take issue with it, like honestly sov and karazad should be out 3-4 years ago because the gearing system in this game is straight up garbage. I've been playing on and off since release (kr release) and they really need to shake things up. Just because i find the grinding fun 10 years ago doesn't mean it still fun 10 years later right ? party shrine ARE FUN and they should definitely release it sooner, or maybe make it so that people can earn money thro it(instead of weekly, make it daily or double/triple the limit), idk make alternative other than grinding that doesn't feel like such a waste of time when you compared it with grinding (?).
The elephant in the room is not content. There are content, unfortunately not for those who only do PVP, sorry you are not the main focus in BDO, might even boldly say in any sandbox MMO. Now lets say you are Guru 15+ for all life skills, you have +650/500 energy/contribution (which means you probably accomplished majority of knowledge,) 30k quests completed, and 750+ GS, part of a top tier guild, have the #1 housing, Krogdalo Sanctuary, etc. Congrats, you beat BDO - But really the individual who have accomplished all this is probably .01% of the community. What is the argument here? Add more content for who? For what purpose? Will more content fix anything? Content is just a bad bandaid over an outdated - not broken system. BDO needs to update BDO for 2024, before adding any new content. Economy and overall game features will need to be balanced before content. The Kara accessories are a great start to remove unwanted grief of losing your shit for failing enhancements. Allow the players to have options, sandbox MMO are a multitool of the MMO genre, you get a little of everything, so you need to update all the features not just buff gear and combat.
Thanks man!! I just got done watching your video about the whole BDO partner situation... that's crazy! PA will definitely regret that decision. Thanks for watching!
Peak BDO for me was NA/EU release and the first year after that. Having big GvG fights for Guild Quests around the Hentai Cave (if you know you know) and cyclobs. That was was so much fun, doing some G quest and then some other guild starts doing the same, taking the mobs. You start fighting 1v1, then more join and you end up with a 30v30 fight in the woods or Zarka Cave outside of Trent. Then it peaked again, atleast for me when they started with Tier`ed NodeWars (before they put more and more rules on the capped NodeWars). Coming back to BDO joining a hardcore T1 NodeWar guild was a blast, it felt like i was back to the early days peak. Sadly they added to many rules and other caps to Tier NodeWars, so for us who normaly ended up fighting 3-4 guilds, just lost our chance to defend ourself. Tho ending up on PA`s yearly report as the best T1 NodeWar guild was a good memory. Been back now & then for BDO, but nothing that really grips me anymore, so i think the time for this game is over. I hope we can get another game with better Devs but the same Combat, because to this day nothing beats BDO combat.
bro i started in mid 2017 and the first 2 years were so good. so much pvp on spots so many gvgs it was so fun. i still dont understand why pearlabyss is ruining pvp in an open world PVP mmo...
@@NoisR Yeah, sadly they messed up PvP so bad for the game. Wich is so wierd, its one of its / if not the biggest draw for that game. Well it was a few great years, gotta save them in the memory bank, because i dont think we will get that again.
Miss those good old days! Yeah the open world pvp and open world guild battles was 🔥 ... now it just feels empty and no real reason to grind to get this gear... thanks for watching and sharing!
Karazad is a step to a new direction, it's a lot cheaper overall and you're not forced to enhance actually, you can still save up 250bil to buy a pen debo. So it's actually versatile
After looking through things this is the thoughts that came up : Kharazad accessories are the RIGHT direction no matter how you look at it. There should not be a point where you can just buy your gear to reach endgame, you are not part of the process. you were buying someone else's success. Pitty system allows you to get it in the END after all. Without that system many would have quit like 9 months ago. With this, your progress does not stuck anyway. Imagine - tapping 13 tet debos and failing them all. you spent 60-300 +- bil siver into nothing. Or you just bought it in the end. I had only 2 pen debos, rest TET. One week of enhancements - i got to the point that i got to the level of 5 pen debos and one tet debo ring. A progress that would take me otherwise roughly around a year+. I stopped playing bdo 4 months ago, came back after the new region release, played one week and stopped again. I checked in with the new accessories and said - yeah, i can do something here and have fun. Complaining about crons - the game was ALWAYS about crons. Don't remember about it explicitly just now because you feel like it. But hey, nobody forces you to p2w. You can buy from a vendor without placing a single euro into it. Well that costs you time but again, not everyone can put money for progress. Only this time - the revenue around crons is smaller and price of failstacking comes in as well, in addittion the materials that you get for enhancing. Now it is not about only the crons. Varierty - kharazad brings you more variety then before imo. It did reduce hybrid builds, but noone says you can't go 2 ap crystals and 4 damage reduction crystals on your character or going full AP one. Now everyone makes progress to a more similar state across the entire community. And that is good. People quitting the game because of various reasons - and one of them is having enough about devs not listening to the proper feedback or forcing unwanted changes on the players without any option for them to choose. Lifeskillers - I agree with you guys, you should have your income on par / a bit more then grinding the top solo/party spots in the game. In MMO market no other game offers similar/better pvp/pve systems that can keep you busy 1-2 hours a day when you're off your RL. Throne and Liberty - figured the systems, got A- tier gear in like 1.5 months, and... i have lost interest.
Even though I do not necessarily agree, especially with not being able to buy or sell the gear, I think those are all fair points! I should have further elaborated more about the selling/buying in the video but the other aspect is being able to have equity with your gear so for instance if you wanted to go full lifeskilling rather than PVE grinding then you could sell your gear to swap to lifeskilling gear but now you cant and now your stuck with that gear... someone mentioned the idea of being able to buy/sell up to +7 and then after +7 you would have to enhance with your own resources which I think is a good compromise... but sure there is definitely pros and cons... and yeah I did not really care for T&L myself... thanks for watching and sharing your perspective!
It just amazes me that every MMO has extensive strong qualities and generally 1-2 major major defects or pieces missing that never get addressed, cause the loss of players leading to eventual completely deserted servers. BDO is no different. At it's core, as i'm sure many agree, has one of if not the best feeling, rewarding combat of any MMO. There are glitches and such, but the comparison between BDO and other MMO's is vast. Nobody does it like BDO. And that is the hardest part generally; finding a system and combat type that actually warrants players to want to play hours and hours, which BDO DOES. Yet after a decade now, and countless other MMO's to glance at in the free-market, BDO and PA still have not given the players one of the strongest cornerstones that we literally ask for to continue playing and spending more money on the game. Group content. Raids. You don't even have to figure it out PA, we are telling you what the player base wants. Just work on it. A complex, rewarding group dynamic. Group dyanmics; co-op, dungeons, mini games, raiding, etc. alone are enough to keep a population going in a MMO. Look at WOW, the game has been out forever, one of the first and still strong standing MMO's even though the graphics are obviously well outdated, simple but still complex combat. Raids, good group content keep the base engaged. It IS fun and very enjoyable to enhance your gear, but you NEED to be enhancing it for SOMETHING. What was the point of me grinding 100-200 hours at Ulukita to get a BIS pen upgrade- to then go back and grind more tungrad ruins with it? There needs to be more, well thought out, and just working co-op content.
100 percent agree with all of your points! Like you said, there is a reason why WoW, despite the graphics and combat, is still the very top mmo on the market that keeps players engaged with a variety of content... thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!!
The issue is PA thinks adding a new accessory is considered a big change in a fundamentally flawed game that has been propped up by it's engaging combat for years. Now that no one has a need to take advantage of the combat via PVP (since it's fucking dead), the curtain has come down and people are seeing the game for what it is.
Launcher player and i like the new accessories and new stones and stuff lokks cool and the lige skill changes and ocean changes are great since i do pvp pve and i do oceant content
Yeah I like the new accessories as well, except for just a few things, but overall, it's definitely going in the right direction and its nice to see some postive global lab changes... thanks for watching and sharing!!
Sold my account 2 years ago, sometimes I really wish to comeback, but when I think that I would need to buy all of that stuff from pearl shop, pets, weights, kamasylva, value pack, tent, the list go on on a on, then on top of that, there is a lot of unessecarry content right now in the game doing all the logs which takes insane amount of time + infinite pots just to be able to really start to enjoy the game it's just too much at this point, I know pearl abyss gave you the gear now to start with, but that was never a problem, due to game being played almost the same at all brackets. Just make the game more enjoyable for the new players, adding new late game content for a player that will get there in 1 year its not a huge motivation. Early game in black desert just aged baddly imo.
Yeah I definitely understand that! I cant stand the whole value pack, old moon, and kama where you have to buy all 3 separate... like all of that should be included in the 15 dollars a month with the value pack... its just very greedy.. and yeah this game can for sure be very overwhelming with all of the stuff that you have to do as a new player... like if I had to remake my character from scratch again I don't think I could do it to be honest especially with all of the logs and getting the mp/hp potion piece...thanks for sharing and watching!
Kharazads are really not a big deal which is why it didnt bring many people back. its 100% a step in a good direction because since debos came out, the grind to hit PEN was one of the biggest complaints being made in the community but now they dont explode and the cron price per tap is very reasonable. its just a small step though. if you really dont wanna enhance then buy the PEN debo and swap it for a NOV kharazad. DEC is a whole other thing. theres still no real incentive for most people to push gear that far yet but making the increments less daunting is a W for sure.
The main problem is everyone must adapt to *one* and only *one* set until the new big set is released, and the only choice you can make is Eva versus DR It's not very exciting at all, and all of this for weeks of grind with 0 pvp in between. Pearl Abyss has also killed wild pvp, so now what
Buying your end game content from marketplace is just isn't how suppose a healthy MMO should work. That was wrong and PA saw it. However, balancing key aspects of an MMO like enhancing or grinding for items can be quite sensible act. Pushing for one content type in to the detriment of another not going to work either. Maybe PA needs to learn from other MMO, preferably not from dead ones.
the problem for me and why im not coming back anytime soon is that there is no point for gear. You can literally just make a new account , complete seasons and just can do like 98% of the game. Capped AoS and capped nodewars (if you are into pvp, which is what this game shines on) There is 0 reason to go for gear….
Yep I definitely agree... that's the issue is what's the point of the gear now after a certain point... now i think arena of solare should be gear equalized and maybe have a cap on tier 1 of node wars but after that I think it would be fine with no caps... thanks for watching and sharing!
FYI the new accessories where not what they where going to release it was gonna be Debo grade Defense accessories but Streamer Biceps asked for these accessories. They listened to him. The Node war stuff coming is Blues concept of New system good for capped but uncapped needs competitive game play but they implemented different then what blue wanted claimed it was to difficult and their engine could not handle the changes so that was the best they could do now mainly due to server issues handling the changes ppl wanted for node wars. Staying hopeful that future content will be good PvE wise the Group blitz was really good.
Yeah, im definitely not against these accessories, I just wish they could be sold on the market and not reliant on crons... I haven't been able to try out the new party blitz system yet but iv heard great things!.... I wish there was like a matchmaking system because when I try to go to the party board during the week there are like no groups that I can find... as always thanks for watching and leaving a comment :)
@@GamingInBedTVSame i hate enchantment but I think the not being sold in CM was more a Vessel Vision request. That was like the only thing Biceps didn’t ask for , he begged PA for these instead of more Debos. Vessel has said for years he doesn’t think gear should be sellable on CM unsure why he thinks that though. I hate enchantment with a passion especially accessories but atleast they followed gear enchantments with them that’s much better no Downgrade with crons no blow ups without. That gave me anxiety. Biceps thinks later on they might make em sellable but I guess we shall see. Maybe when closer to new gear or New world.
As a PvE player, always self enhanced, doesn't feel like it changed anything at all, just moved the goalpost i hadn't reached yet. Reasons to go get your sovereign and kharazads upped, Ash t2, olun t2, everything else is questionable.
That's fair! Me personally I don't like enhancing all that much and I rather save up and buy it but yeah nothing has really changed for you then since you do your own enhancing... thanks for sharing and watching!
Overall i like the new accessories but i really wish they'd move away from the basically mandatory need for crons tbh. (if you value your sanity, if not then just raw dog it i guess lol)
you just said it, we pay their salary. so if you want change? stop playing the game. as simple as that eventually they will listen and if they dont let it die and move on with the memories we all made.
I hate the idea of spending hundreds of hours running circles to tap anything and there is chance to go downgrade. It only kills motivation. Nothing good about that. I like the current state of the karma change since I had really bad memories with random person killing me. I hope they will add more fun end game contents in t he future.
@@andrewkim6271 First, thanks for watching and sharing! Me personally I enjoyed open world pvp which of course sometimes it was annoying but it gave some excitement since I may get attacked at anytime and is what gave me more motivation to get gear but I can definitely understand your perspective. And yes I hope they had more fun content to the game as well :)
Why cant they take a page out of TNL? I think it wouldn't be the worst idea to give 1Bil silver, once a day, to do a dungeon. Additionally, much like TNL, make the rewards moderately better if you randomly que for the dungeon to encourage more community interaction. I have played BDO since 2016 along with 2 other buddies and we were talking about the game the other day when someone pointed out that we are always talking/playing together but never actually PLAY the game together because we are at different gear score marks and the game is mostly Singleplayer when your trying to make gains. IMO BDO only really does 2 things well, combat, and world exploration. Last thing before I end my Maudling rant. I have gotten dozens of friends to play BDO over the years and most of them end up quitting because of the over complication of nearly everything you do, (including being introduced to combat). You level SO DAMN FAST that you have no time to learn your abilities, we all know about the horrible main questline, you have to constantly use external means to navigate the billion menus, life skilling tables, enhancing tables etc. Even the beloved PVP is Super complicated and a huge turn off for so many people because of how Stats and CC function. Evasion is a RNG poo poo stat, missing every ability feels horrendous and RNG in PVP should be kept to a minimum. The game does a HORRIBLE job on teaching you how CC works, you have Bounds, Floats, Grabs, etc. With all different modifiers and cc time frames sprinkled with some RNG. All in all BDO needs a MASSIVE overhaul if it wants a resurgence and I for one think they have the ability to pull it off but don't have the will to try, (probably because of Crimson Desert).
Yeah I think you make some really good points especially the whole questing experience and just being able to understand and learn the game's mechanics because it definitely does not hold your hand which has its pros and cons but they could do a better job of introducing those mechanics in a more engaging manner... also yeah I agree more group play should be introduced... I think T&L in my opinion goes a little overboard with group play but I think having a good blend of solo and group play is so important to satisfy all personality's... thanks for watching and sharing your prespective!!
I've stopped bdo for a year and a half, and I'll never play another MMO from PA again. When Crimson Desert is a solo player, I might take a look at it. PA has shown that they don't give a shit about the playerbase, just milking money at all costs.
Completely understand that! Also it seems that Crimson Desert will have some online play to it but more similar to like GTA5 so It shouldnt affect the solo aspect of the game.... BTW love the profile picture 👌 thanks for watching and sharing!
ngl i dont understand what ppls complain about, P.A release Kazarad that u can either enhance safely, or u can exchange from debo. SO IF U DONT WANNA TAP JUST GRIND AND BUY THEN DO SO, they even give those with pen debo free upgrade when exchange so what the complain about? if u dont wanna tap just fking buy pen debo, then exchange it later, what the problem with it? it make sense when u talk about sov weap but on kazarad it actually sound kinda dumb.
That's a valid point! Can't argue with exchanging the debo for the accessories.... I guess the only downside is that you won't be able to sell that gear ever so if for some reason lifeskills ever got buffed and relevant and you wanted to go full lifeskilling then you can't sell that expensive gear to swap to lifeskilling gear... thanks for watching and sharing!
The Acc's arent really an Issue and I think they are kinda a W but that brings me back to the question of, what is the point in pushing or this in the first place lol. Im 730 GS and can do everything in the game and im no where near the most geared. So again I ask, whats the point? lol
@@GamingInBedTV yeah that a pretty big downside, i wonder what the future goal in bdo since BIS weapon and accs can't be sell, they prob want to slow down endgame player by making ppls tap themselves and can't be buy in market and help the newbie progress faster and safer in the same time.
@@krispykrreme no more point, u can either play other game or doing something else, explore the world, lifeskilling, getting treasure items, finding rare items.
PA continues to take take take our precious time and what do we get for it? i left and will not be coming back as a almost 10k hour player.. PA doesent care about you and the updates show that.
Just buy Pen Debos lul. 200BIL, even at the best grind spot is about 2BIL an hour, So do circles for 100hrs to get one piece of gear and an abysmal power gain.
@@cronosrus Well if you make a comparison to other MMOs, it does not take 2k hours to get BIS gear and usually those games have purpose for achieving that level of gear, BDO does not.
@cron Yeah thats a fair point however just like @krispy stated the price tag and time sink is a lot and kinda boring but I think for me personally it's more so that if I ever wanted to sell those accessories to get my return on investment somewhat back I can't do that now... lol I remember a few years ago I would go back and forth selling my gear to get lifeskilling gear and vice versa which was definitely not efficient but now grinding is far superior for money per hour but if they ever buffed lifeskills it would be a good option to have... thanks for watching and sharing!!
@@krispykrreme well if you make a comparasion to other MMOs, gear in BDO dont turn into a pumpkin every year when a new expansion drops, 720 GS made in 2021 are still relevant for 95% of content and absolutely enough for top silver spots
kharazard isnt suppose to bring players back it is a pity mechanic for unlucky ppl or casual players to have more access to the game and the newer areas.
First, thanks for watching and sharing your prespective! I would argue that what you just said should incentivize those unlucky people or casuals players to check out the game again or anyone in fact but the issue in my opinion is not so much of the new accessories but more so of not having content that is relevant for people wanting to get those end game accessories... like I think what I am trying to say is that the developers probably should have focused more time either releasing new fresh "content" or addressing the lack of money with lifeskills or addressing the majority of the playerbase concerns then spending developer time on the accessories. .. but yeah I agree I think the accessories are a step in the right direction for it being easy to obtain and enhance which the only aspects I dont like is having to rely soley on crons and not being able to sell the accessories on the market if I wanted my "silver" back.
@@GamingInBedTV Unfortunately, they will never address the issue with life-skilling as pearl abyss has chosen to place all their chips in the PvE and small scale PvP. When Godrye weapons came out there was really not a large reflux on older players as no true new content was added, just a pity system. This similarly happened when the Atanis elements were released as well. I do agree with you on the enhancing of Kharazard aspect however. But I believe that we should of only been able to purchase up to maybe +7 and no higher.
imo the problem with bdo is the dev lsiten to much to newer players. whe i join u came from rr14 i knew this game was pvp focus i just wanted something i could solo on my own and time and time again they listen to theme park mmo players asking for dungeons group content etc.. they should of just stayed a pvp game instead they are now trying to make a pve game switch players didnt ask for. this is what happens when the devs dont know there player base. just me tho
@blackoctober9804 I can definitely understand where your coming from... I would say I'm more of a pvp player myself but I think having a good blend for the game in terms of pve and pvp is important for the overall health of the game and making sure the new player experience is good as well or we won't have new players playing the game... thanks for sharing your perspective and watching!!
TL is dying already. Flopped in KR. Enjoy your fun but most people are already done with it. Not to mention the HUGE botting problem. Its estimated something like 70% of the steam numbers are bots. Which is wild.
I tried T&L and was having fun until I got to level 50 and couldn't get into unfortunately.... but im glad that you are having fun with it though! Thanks for watching and sharing!
Let me know down in the comments if you like the new accessories??
Thanks for watching and the support! ❤
After considering it, I think the game has indirectly forced everyone into grinding for efficiency. We're all creatures of FOMO, no one is willing to fall behind doing lifeskills for 400m/hr if a pve grinder can make +1b/hr, even though they enjoy lifeskilling much more. This is one of the core reasons why the game has grown stagnant in general. When you see everyone indirectly funneled into one path, there's no real fun, it just feels like an endless grind for shiny new gear - which makes failing an enhancement even more crushing. If we rewind a few years, when you can corner the market by gathering and process (cooking/alch) and make more money than someone grinding. Same with training, you can focus on training and make just as much if not more than grinding. Currently, everyone is racing to get gear, grind, enhance, fail, grind, buy crons, enhance, and so on rinse/repeat - All just because grinding is the best way to progress. Truly think a sandbox MMO needs to diversify how players can compete for progression through all means. Therefore, in my opinion, we need to substantially buff lifeskilling to start. Once lifeskills and grinding are somewhat balanced, then add more content overall. More things to do for sailing, more fish to be caught, more crops to farm, more materials to gather, bring back better trading and maybe let us sell T10 horses or introduce a new mount. Monetize more creatively, a lot more cosmetics items for sale - that's not costumes. Such as different skins for t10 and t9 mounts? Not gear, but actually changes the look and color of the mounts. Same as different skins for boats/ships. Maybe a cool jump animation? Like reforming an existing move to have a cooler more flashy animation or even just a really cool BSR effect animation to replace the default. Maybe add platform puzzles throughout the world for treasures and achievement. So people can test their button control and not just how to grind in a circle. Imagine accessing a floating city only by climbing and parkour to open up the Magnus well there. I'm a simple man, I'll pay if you put in some effort to earn my money, not by monetizing via the cron stone system.
What a post!! I think all the points you mentioned are spot on.... I definitely agree that lifeskilling needs a huge overhaul and needs to be somewhat on par with general grinding depending on the mastery you have... probably the only lifeskill that is decent is the sniper rifle hunting in loml which I do enjoy but we need more lifeskills like that and they need to be relevant. Also more different cosmetic options would awesome... thanks for sharing and watching!!
Great comment
Incoming 11/8/2023 Global Lab patch is addressing some of these things we're discussing!
to piggy back off your greats points, the biggest killer for me is the multiple ways they monetize your time. I never feel like i can just log on and progress a bit. I have to triple check buffs, loot scrolls, etc its just fucking exhausting. I just want to chuckle at shai when i spam forward dodge IN MENTAL PEACE!
@@imabautakaum Lol Imagine if you're on WOW or TOL, if you don't do something daily, you're behind. I have never felt obligated to do anything in this game, except when I have a goal I'm trying to accomplish. So may all shais be chuckled at.
5:10 I mean you can still buy the second highest enhancement level for the new accessories by buying V debo off the market and converting it. I kind of like that the absolute highest level gear has to be obtained by enhancement and not by selling outfits- I mean buying them off the market.
Yeah I definitely understand that perspective, I just wish they weren't so reliant on crons but it is nice that they are much cheaper to enhance so there's definitely pros and cons and the reason why I would like them to be on the market is just return on investment so if I ever wanted to be a full-time lifeskiller, in the current state I wouldn't, I could sell my gear to buy lifeskilling gear as an example... thanks for watching and sharing!
kharazads are nice and all and a small step in the right direction for GEARING. But the elephant in the room is content, and why are we grinding for gear. The already niche community, is even more niche if your saying the main content is "gear chase". That's a given to whats supposed to be 5-10 main pieces of content that used from gear chasing. PA needs to explain to us why and what we are grinding for that excites players to do it in the first place. If they don't this trend will continue.
Yep, I definitely agree! Thanks for watching and sharing your perspective!
But this has been the case since the game released.
Its really weird as someone who has been playing since 2016 to see people all of a sudden take issue with this.
More meaningful pve content like a tower to climb solo or with a friend or couple friends would be cool(need options, BDO is a primarily solo playerbase) or things like that would be awesome, don't get me wrong.
Its just a weird shift to see after 10 years of what people are complaining about existing for all of those 10 years.
@@TheCosmicAstro- because not everyone been playing for 10 years ? just because it's not an issue for veteran, it's not an issue for everyone no ? It's precisely because there's no change even after 10 years thus people take issue with it, like honestly sov and karazad should be out 3-4 years ago because the gearing system in this game is straight up garbage.
I've been playing on and off since release (kr release) and they really need to shake things up. Just because i find the grinding fun 10 years ago doesn't mean it still fun 10 years later right ? party shrine ARE FUN and they should definitely release it sooner, or maybe make it so that people can earn money thro it(instead of weekly, make it daily or double/triple the limit), idk make alternative other than grinding that doesn't feel like such a waste of time when you compared it with grinding (?).
@@TheCosmicAstro- No. uncapped pvp was the main draw for many years. Its finally given out and died.
The elephant in the room is not content. There are content, unfortunately not for those who only do PVP, sorry you are not the main focus in BDO, might even boldly say in any sandbox MMO. Now lets say you are Guru 15+ for all life skills, you have +650/500 energy/contribution (which means you probably accomplished majority of knowledge,) 30k quests completed, and 750+ GS, part of a top tier guild, have the #1 housing, Krogdalo Sanctuary, etc. Congrats, you beat BDO - But really the individual who have accomplished all this is probably .01% of the community. What is the argument here? Add more content for who? For what purpose? Will more content fix anything? Content is just a bad bandaid over an outdated - not broken system. BDO needs to update BDO for 2024, before adding any new content. Economy and overall game features will need to be balanced before content. The Kara accessories are a great start to remove unwanted grief of losing your shit for failing enhancements. Allow the players to have options, sandbox MMO are a multitool of the MMO genre, you get a little of everything, so you need to update all the features not just buff gear and combat.
some excellent points in here. great video!
Thanks man!! I just got done watching your video about the whole BDO partner situation... that's crazy! PA will definitely regret that decision. Thanks for watching!
Peak BDO for me was NA/EU release and the first year after that. Having big GvG fights for Guild Quests around the Hentai Cave (if you know you know) and cyclobs. That was was so much fun, doing some G quest and then some other guild starts doing the same, taking the mobs. You start fighting 1v1, then more join and you end up with a 30v30 fight in the woods or Zarka Cave outside of Trent.
Then it peaked again, atleast for me when they started with Tier`ed NodeWars (before they put more and more rules on the capped NodeWars). Coming back to BDO joining a hardcore T1 NodeWar guild was a blast, it felt like i was back to the early days peak.
Sadly they added to many rules and other caps to Tier NodeWars, so for us who normaly ended up fighting 3-4 guilds, just lost our chance to defend ourself.
Tho ending up on PA`s yearly report as the best T1 NodeWar guild was a good memory.
Been back now & then for BDO, but nothing that really grips me anymore, so i think the time for this game is over.
I hope we can get another game with better Devs but the same Combat, because to this day nothing beats BDO combat.
bro i started in mid 2017 and the first 2 years were so good. so much pvp on spots so many gvgs it was so fun.
i still dont understand why pearlabyss is ruining pvp in an open world PVP mmo...
@@NoisR Yeah, sadly they messed up PvP so bad for the game. Wich is so wierd, its one of its / if not the biggest draw for that game.
Well it was a few great years, gotta save them in the memory bank, because i dont think we will get that again.
Miss those good old days! Yeah the open world pvp and open world guild battles was 🔥 ... now it just feels empty and no real reason to grind to get this gear... thanks for watching and sharing!
Karazad is a step to a new direction, it's a lot cheaper overall and you're not forced to enhance actually, you can still save up 250bil to buy a pen debo. So it's actually versatile
1v1, gvg and open world pvp was my motivation for so long. Now that all those are dead, i just dont have any motivation to play.
Yeah I agree! Thanks for watching and sharing!
After looking through things this is the thoughts that came up : Kharazad accessories are the RIGHT direction no matter how you look at it. There should not be a point where you can just buy your gear to reach endgame, you are not part of the process. you were buying someone else's success. Pitty system allows you to get it in the END after all. Without that system many would have quit like 9 months ago. With this, your progress does not stuck anyway.
Imagine - tapping 13 tet debos and failing them all. you spent 60-300 +- bil siver into nothing. Or you just bought it in the end.
I had only 2 pen debos, rest TET. One week of enhancements - i got to the point that i got to the level of 5 pen debos and one tet debo ring. A progress that would take me otherwise roughly around a year+. I stopped playing bdo 4 months ago, came back after the new region release, played one week and stopped again. I checked in with the new accessories and said - yeah, i can do something here and have fun.
Complaining about crons - the game was ALWAYS about crons. Don't remember about it explicitly just now because you feel like it. But hey, nobody forces you to p2w. You can buy from a vendor without placing a single euro into it. Well that costs you time but again, not everyone can put money for progress. Only this time - the revenue around crons is smaller and price of failstacking comes in as well, in addittion the materials that you get for enhancing. Now it is not about only the crons.
Varierty - kharazad brings you more variety then before imo. It did reduce hybrid builds, but noone says you can't go 2 ap crystals and 4 damage reduction crystals on your character or going full AP one.
Now everyone makes progress to a more similar state across the entire community. And that is good.
People quitting the game because of various reasons - and one of them is having enough about devs not listening to the proper feedback or forcing unwanted changes on the players without any option for them to choose.
Lifeskillers - I agree with you guys, you should have your income on par / a bit more then grinding the top solo/party spots in the game.
In MMO market no other game offers similar/better pvp/pve systems that can keep you busy 1-2 hours a day when you're off your RL.
Throne and Liberty - figured the systems, got A- tier gear in like 1.5 months, and... i have lost interest.
Even though I do not necessarily agree, especially with not being able to buy or sell the gear, I think those are all fair points! I should have further elaborated more about the selling/buying in the video but the other aspect is being able to have equity with your gear so for instance if you wanted to go full lifeskilling rather than PVE grinding then you could sell your gear to swap to lifeskilling gear but now you cant and now your stuck with that gear... someone mentioned the idea of being able to buy/sell up to +7 and then after +7 you would have to enhance with your own resources which I think is a good compromise... but sure there is definitely pros and cons... and yeah I did not really care for T&L myself... thanks for watching and sharing your perspective!
It just amazes me that every MMO has extensive strong qualities and generally 1-2 major major defects or pieces missing that never get addressed, cause the loss of players leading to eventual completely deserted servers.
BDO is no different. At it's core, as i'm sure many agree, has one of if not the best feeling, rewarding combat of any MMO. There are glitches and such, but the comparison between BDO and other MMO's is vast. Nobody does it like BDO. And that is the hardest part generally; finding a system and combat type that actually warrants players to want to play hours and hours, which BDO DOES. Yet after a decade now, and countless other MMO's to glance at in the free-market, BDO and PA still have not given the players one of the strongest cornerstones that we literally ask for to continue playing and spending more money on the game. Group content. Raids. You don't even have to figure it out PA, we are telling you what the player base wants. Just work on it. A complex, rewarding group dynamic. Group dyanmics; co-op, dungeons, mini games, raiding, etc. alone are enough to keep a population going in a MMO. Look at WOW, the game has been out forever, one of the first and still strong standing MMO's even though the graphics are obviously well outdated, simple but still complex combat. Raids, good group content keep the base engaged.
It IS fun and very enjoyable to enhance your gear, but you NEED to be enhancing it for SOMETHING.
What was the point of me grinding 100-200 hours at Ulukita to get a BIS pen upgrade- to then go back and grind more tungrad ruins with it? There needs to be more, well thought out, and just working co-op content.
100 percent agree with all of your points! Like you said, there is a reason why WoW, despite the graphics and combat, is still the very top mmo on the market that keeps players engaged with a variety of content... thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts!!
The issue is PA thinks adding a new accessory is considered a big change in a fundamentally flawed game that has been propped up by it's engaging combat for years. Now that no one has a need to take advantage of the combat via PVP (since it's fucking dead), the curtain has come down and people are seeing the game for what it is.
Yeah I think thats a really good point! Thanks for watching and sharing!
Launcher player and i like the new accessories and new stones and stuff lokks cool and the lige skill changes and ocean changes are great since i do pvp pve and i do oceant content
Yeah I like the new accessories as well, except for just a few things, but overall, it's definitely going in the right direction and its nice to see some postive global lab changes... thanks for watching and sharing!!
Yh I quit 3 months ago and saw these things, for sure didn't make me think "oh wow let's go back and run in more circles"
Sold my account 2 years ago, sometimes I really wish to comeback, but when I think that I would need to buy all of that stuff from pearl shop, pets, weights, kamasylva, value pack, tent, the list go on on a on, then on top of that, there is a lot of unessecarry content right now in the game doing all the logs which takes insane amount of time + infinite pots just to be able to really start to enjoy the game it's just too much at this point, I know pearl abyss gave you the gear now to start with, but that was never a problem, due to game being played almost the same at all brackets. Just make the game more enjoyable for the new players, adding new late game content for a player that will get there in 1 year its not a huge motivation. Early game in black desert just aged baddly imo.
Yeah I definitely understand that! I cant stand the whole value pack, old moon, and kama where you have to buy all 3 separate... like all of that should be included in the 15 dollars a month with the value pack... its just very greedy.. and yeah this game can for sure be very overwhelming with all of the stuff that you have to do as a new player... like if I had to remake my character from scratch again I don't think I could do it to be honest especially with all of the logs and getting the mp/hp potion piece...thanks for sharing and watching!
Kharazads are really not a big deal which is why it didnt bring many people back. its 100% a step in a good direction because since debos came out, the grind to hit PEN was one of the biggest complaints being made in the community but now they dont explode and the cron price per tap is very reasonable. its just a small step though. if you really dont wanna enhance then buy the PEN debo and swap it for a NOV kharazad. DEC is a whole other thing. theres still no real incentive for most people to push gear that far yet but making the increments less daunting is a W for sure.
You made a good point about if not wanting to enhance then just save up and buy a debo and exchange... thanks for sharing and watching!
Agree to an extent, Now we just need a reason to push for the new Acc's, as well as a way to avoid the RNG all together.
The main problem is everyone must adapt to *one* and only *one* set until the new big set is released, and the only choice you can make is Eva versus DR
It's not very exciting at all, and all of this for weeks of grind with 0 pvp in between.
Pearl Abyss has also killed wild pvp, so now what
As a console player i can confirm karazad accessories will not bring me back. But mainly because we wont be getting it until sometime next year maybe
Yeah consoles definitely have it rough... thanks for sharing and watching!
The way PA ignored console for years was criminal
Buying your end game content from marketplace is just isn't how suppose a healthy MMO should work. That was wrong and PA saw it. However, balancing key aspects of an MMO like enhancing or grinding for items can be quite sensible act. Pushing for one content type in to the detriment of another not going to work either. Maybe PA needs to learn from other MMO, preferably not from dead ones.
i mean u can buy nov kharazads if u really dont want to enhance except for one level (buy pen debos)
the problem for me and why im not coming back anytime soon is that there is no point for gear. You can literally just make a new account , complete seasons and just can do like 98% of the game.
Capped AoS and capped nodewars (if you are into pvp, which is what this game shines on) There is 0 reason to go for gear….
Yep I definitely agree... that's the issue is what's the point of the gear now after a certain point... now i think arena of solare should be gear equalized and maybe have a cap on tier 1 of node wars but after that I think it would be fine with no caps... thanks for watching and sharing!
FYI the new accessories where not what they where going to release it was gonna be Debo grade Defense accessories but Streamer Biceps asked for these accessories. They listened to him. The Node war stuff coming is Blues concept of New system good for capped but uncapped needs competitive game play but they implemented different then what blue wanted claimed it was to difficult and their engine could not handle the changes so that was the best they could do now mainly due to server issues handling the changes ppl wanted for node wars. Staying hopeful that future content will be good PvE wise the Group blitz was really good.
Yeah, im definitely not against these accessories, I just wish they could be sold on the market and not reliant on crons... I haven't been able to try out the new party blitz system yet but iv heard great things!.... I wish there was like a matchmaking system because when I try to go to the party board during the week there are like no groups that I can find... as always thanks for watching and leaving a comment :)
@@GamingInBedTVSame i hate enchantment but I think the not being sold in CM was more a Vessel Vision request. That was like the only thing Biceps didn’t ask for , he begged PA for these instead of more Debos. Vessel has said for years he doesn’t think gear should be sellable on CM unsure why he thinks that though. I hate enchantment with a passion especially accessories but atleast they followed gear enchantments with them that’s much better no Downgrade with crons no blow ups without. That gave me anxiety. Biceps thinks later on they might make em sellable but I guess we shall see. Maybe when closer to new gear or New world.
As a PvE player, always self enhanced, doesn't feel like it changed anything at all, just moved the goalpost i hadn't reached yet. Reasons to go get your sovereign and kharazads upped, Ash t2, olun t2, everything else is questionable.
since you are a pve player you already know what PA offers.
That's fair! Me personally I don't like enhancing all that much and I rather save up and buy it but yeah nothing has really changed for you then since you do your own enhancing... thanks for sharing and watching!
Overall i like the new accessories but i really wish they'd move away from the basically mandatory need for crons tbh. (if you value your sanity, if not then just raw dog it i guess lol)
Yeah I definitely dont mind the new accessories but just like you stated the need for crons is just meh... thanks for watching and sharing!
you just said it, we pay their salary. so if you want change? stop playing the game. as simple as that eventually they will listen and if they dont let it die and move on with the memories we all made.
i traded my 2 pen crescent rings and pen ogre and now got full tri kharazads accessories.. Feels like i downgraded my gear so much :(
That sucks!! RNG was not in your favor :( thanks for watching and sharing!
I hate enchanting Myself will likely buy Debos and exchange for them. Leave them there or use hammers. Until I can buy.
They ain't that hard to enhance my guy
@ yeah well when I pity all my season accessories I don’t have high hopes for these. My RNG was satans spawn.
I hate the idea of spending hundreds of hours running circles to tap anything and there is chance to go downgrade. It only kills motivation. Nothing good about that. I like the current state of the karma change since I had really bad memories with random person killing me. I hope they will add more fun end game contents in t he future.
@@andrewkim6271 First, thanks for watching and sharing! Me personally I enjoyed open world pvp which of course sometimes it was annoying but it gave some excitement since I may get attacked at anytime and is what gave me more motivation to get gear but I can definitely understand your perspective. And yes I hope they had more fun content to the game as well :)
Why cant they take a page out of TNL? I think it wouldn't be the worst idea to give 1Bil silver, once a day, to do a dungeon. Additionally, much like TNL, make the rewards moderately better if you randomly que for the dungeon to encourage more community interaction. I have played BDO since 2016 along with 2 other buddies and we were talking about the game the other day when someone pointed out that we are always talking/playing together but never actually PLAY the game together because we are at different gear score marks and the game is mostly Singleplayer when your trying to make gains. IMO BDO only really does 2 things well, combat, and world exploration. Last thing before I end my Maudling rant. I have gotten dozens of friends to play BDO over the years and most of them end up quitting because of the over complication of nearly everything you do, (including being introduced to combat). You level SO DAMN FAST that you have no time to learn your abilities, we all know about the horrible main questline, you have to constantly use external means to navigate the billion menus, life skilling tables, enhancing tables etc. Even the beloved PVP is Super complicated and a huge turn off for so many people because of how Stats and CC function. Evasion is a RNG poo poo stat, missing every ability feels horrendous and RNG in PVP should be kept to a minimum. The game does a HORRIBLE job on teaching you how CC works, you have Bounds, Floats, Grabs, etc. With all different modifiers and cc time frames sprinkled with some RNG. All in all BDO needs a MASSIVE overhaul if it wants a resurgence and I for one think they have the ability to pull it off but don't have the will to try, (probably because of Crimson Desert).
Yeah I think you make some really good points especially the whole questing experience and just being able to understand and learn the game's mechanics because it definitely does not hold your hand which has its pros and cons but they could do a better job of introducing those mechanics in a more engaging manner... also yeah I agree more group play should be introduced... I think T&L in my opinion goes a little overboard with group play but I think having a good blend of solo and group play is so important to satisfy all personality's... thanks for watching and sharing your prespective!!
Most of us play on launcher as well
why grind for gear tho?
Valid point!! Thanks for watching and sharing!
just so ppl know steam numbers are not even half the players.
Yeah I wish we knew how much of a difference there actually is but yeah i agree... thanks for watching and sharing!
I've stopped bdo for a year and a half, and I'll never play another MMO from PA again. When Crimson Desert is a solo player, I might take a look at it. PA has shown that they don't give a shit about the playerbase, just milking money at all costs.
Completely understand that! Also it seems that Crimson Desert will have some online play to it but more similar to like GTA5 so It shouldnt affect the solo aspect of the game.... BTW love the profile picture 👌 thanks for watching and sharing!
Best BDO Content is the dooming.
Haha I feel more like a boomer 👴 stuck in the old ways lol... thanks for watching and sharing!
ngl i dont understand what ppls complain about, P.A release Kazarad that u can either enhance safely, or u can exchange from debo. SO IF U DONT WANNA TAP JUST GRIND AND BUY THEN DO SO, they even give those with pen debo free upgrade when exchange so what the complain about? if u dont wanna tap just fking buy pen debo, then exchange it later, what the problem with it?
it make sense when u talk about sov weap but on kazarad it actually sound kinda dumb.
That's a valid point! Can't argue with exchanging the debo for the accessories.... I guess the only downside is that you won't be able to sell that gear ever so if for some reason lifeskills ever got buffed and relevant and you wanted to go full lifeskilling then you can't sell that expensive gear to swap to lifeskilling gear... thanks for watching and sharing!
The Acc's arent really an Issue and I think they are kinda a W but that brings me back to the question of, what is the point in pushing or this in the first place lol. Im 730 GS and can do everything in the game and im no where near the most geared. So again I ask, whats the point? lol
@@GamingInBedTV yeah that a pretty big downside, i wonder what the future goal in bdo since BIS weapon and accs can't be sell, they prob want to slow down endgame player by making ppls tap themselves and can't be buy in market and help the newbie progress faster and safer in the same time.
@@krispykrreme no more point, u can either play other game or doing something else, explore the world, lifeskilling, getting treasure items, finding rare items.
@@bokuoredayo beside some treasure items, non of what you said requires and end game gear.
PA continues to take take take our precious time and what do we get for it? i left and will not be coming back as a almost 10k hour player.. PA doesent care about you and the updates show that.
The direction of the game is getting blurry...thanks for sharing and watching!
nobody FORCES you to enchance, just buy V debos and exchange them ffs
Just buy Pen Debos lul. 200BIL, even at the best grind spot is about 2BIL an hour, So do circles for 100hrs to get one piece of gear and an abysmal power gain.
@@krispykrremeyeah BiS gear cost hefty money, what did you expect?
@@cronosrus Well if you make a comparison to other MMOs, it does not take 2k hours to get BIS gear and usually those games have purpose for achieving that level of gear, BDO does not.
@cron Yeah thats a fair point however just like @krispy stated the price tag and time sink is a lot and kinda boring but I think for me personally it's more so that if I ever wanted to sell those accessories to get my return on investment somewhat back I can't do that now... lol I remember a few years ago I would go back and forth selling my gear to get lifeskilling gear and vice versa which was definitely not efficient but now grinding is far superior for money per hour but if they ever buffed lifeskills it would be a good option to have... thanks for watching and sharing!!
@@krispykrreme well if you make a comparasion to other MMOs, gear in BDO dont turn into a pumpkin every year when a new expansion drops, 720 GS made in 2021 are still relevant for 95% of content and absolutely enough for top silver spots
kharazard isnt suppose to bring players back it is a pity mechanic for unlucky ppl or casual players to have more access to the game and the newer areas.
First, thanks for watching and sharing your prespective! I would argue that what you just said should incentivize those unlucky people or casuals players to check out the game again or anyone in fact but the issue in my opinion is not so much of the new accessories but more so of not having content that is relevant for people wanting to get those end game accessories... like I think what I am trying to say is that the developers probably should have focused more time either releasing new fresh "content" or addressing the lack of money with lifeskills or addressing the majority of the playerbase concerns then spending developer time on the accessories. .. but yeah I agree I think the accessories are a step in the right direction for it being easy to obtain and enhance which the only aspects I dont like is having to rely soley on crons and not being able to sell the accessories on the market if I wanted my "silver" back.
@@GamingInBedTV Unfortunately, they will never address the issue with life-skilling as pearl abyss has chosen to place all their chips in the PvE and small scale PvP. When Godrye weapons came out there was really not a large reflux on older players as no true new content was added, just a pity system. This similarly happened when the Atanis elements were released as well. I do agree with you on the enhancing of Kharazard aspect however. But I believe that we should of only been able to purchase up to maybe
+7 and no higher.
Yeah your probably right unfortunately but ill keep hoping for that day to come 🤞and I think thats a fair compromise with the new accessories!
u quit since i dont like the feeling of gambling i'd rather buy than tap
I completely understand that! Thanks for watching and sharing!
imo the problem with bdo is the dev lsiten to much to newer players. whe i join u came from rr14 i knew this game was pvp focus i just wanted something i could solo on my own and time and time again they listen to theme park mmo players asking for dungeons group content etc.. they should of just stayed a pvp game instead they are now trying to make a pve game switch players didnt ask for. this is what happens when the devs dont know there player base. just me tho
@blackoctober9804 I can definitely understand where your coming from... I would say I'm more of a pvp player myself but I think having a good blend for the game in terms of pve and pvp is important for the overall health of the game and making sure the new player experience is good as well or we won't have new players playing the game... thanks for sharing your perspective and watching!!
are you working at Sweet baby Inc. that hate Asian games Created?
Huh? I dont hate bdo... this has been my main game since 2016... thanks for watching and sharing!
idk to me bdo has turned into a idle game, no pvp no fun its just mindless grinding for no reason
Yep I totally understand that! Thanks for watching and sharing!
more crons crons crons no thanks
Yep!! Thanks for watching and sharing!
It's not going to bring back players because TL is fun
TL is dying already.
Flopped in KR.
Enjoy your fun but most people are already done with it.
Not to mention the HUGE botting problem. Its estimated something like 70% of the steam numbers are bots. Which is wild.
TL doing fine I rather play that then run in circles for hours for no reason at all lmfao
I tried T&L and was having fun until I got to level 50 and couldn't get into unfortunately.... but im glad that you are having fun with it though! Thanks for watching and sharing!