Mirage vs Sea Harrier - Pt3 - Final Encounters of the Day (01 May 1982, Falklands)
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- After the first 'hot' clash between Argentine Mirages and British Sea Harriers, more action was to follow only minutes later. Three Daggers performed a low-level attack on three British Warships that were bombarding Port Stanley airfield while a single Dagger confronted a Sea Harrier Combat Air Patrol.
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- Douglas C. Dildy and Pablo Calcaterra - Sea Harrier FRS 1 vs Mirage III/Dagger: South Atlantic 1982
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- Jeffrey Ethell - Air War South Atlantic
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- Rowland White - Harrier 809: Britain’s Legendary Jump Jet and the Untold Story of the Falklands War
- Carlos Perona, la historia del primer piloto derribado en Malvinas
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Not all of the assets used in this reenactment are 100% historically accurate. Sea Harriers are represented by AV-8B Harriers, Daggers are represented by Mirage IIIC and British ships bombarding Port Stanley are represented by frigates of Leander class. These are not mistakes but approximations and there's no need to comment on them. Thank you for your understanding!
Are you planning to use War Thunder for the Canberra episode that you’ve mentioned at the end of the video?
That’s prefectly okay about the drawing not being actually the same “ the over storylines are much more interesting, ..
Regardless great video;-) The (sea) Harrier(s) are a brilliant Aircraft and look awesome, too. She is a beauty. Keep up the good work.
@@swenhtet2861 Yes, there's Canberra in WT and Sea Harrier. No proper map though.
Excellent that you already know and acknowledge this, so many videos are wildly inaccurate and then begin multiple arguments in the comments.
Underrated channel
I appreciate that, thank you!
Thoroughly enjoying these Falklands videos.
I'm happy to hear it, thanks!
Excelente! Um episódio melhor que o outro. A triologia da Guerra das Malvinas está sendo um divisor de águas no canal por conta da singularidade deste conflito e pela qualidade dos três videos. Parabéns! 🇧🇷
Thank you for this elaborate feedback! I'm glad you liked these three videos, there's more to come in the future.
Another great episode! It's like watching pages from an Osprey book come to life... Please give us more!
There will be more! Always nice to see your comment.
The Argie's were coming at those Harriers at an extreme disadvantage not having an up to date radar system on their fighters. Their speed saved them a few times, but hitting after burner when you're that far away from home is almost suicidal if they keep it going too long.
And the AIM 9L...that was a lethal weapon at the time.
Yes, it's a very thin line between having enough fuel to land back or ejecting over the freezing waters of South Atlantic. Thanks for another comment!
I guess once you've decided on a campaign such as taking the Falklands you've got to commit to it. As everyone knows, the Argentine government gambled on the British not being prepared to fight, however preparations should of been made to take them on properly if it became necessary. For example making sure their carrier worked and moreover ready to take serious losses, as their enemy was. For the UK, well it was at the very limit of that countrys capabilities and they were fortunate to still have the resources that had nearly been cut. Overall though, training, equipment and global influence told and the islands were retaken. In no small part by the professionalism, determination and toughness of her servicemen not to mention a loyal population.
@@Pentonavalsolutions not so lethal as we thougnt...final numbers about 9L ...27 launched, 17 hits..10 miss.. good but no perfect.
4 other arentine planes were shoot down by cannons .
19 OUT 21 argentine planes didnt carry air to air missiles when shoot down.... so they were pigeon shooting.
@@chrisgs8727should also note that none of the Lima variant kills made use of their improved capability, meaning all kills would have been possible with the previous version.
The Argentine fighter jets were just not a good match to fight against the Sea Harriers either because they lacked front aspect missiles, low fuel, radar, or pilot training/tactics. No wonder they were not able to achieve air superiority and thus lost the war. Thanks Showtime for these insightful videos! Please keep them coming!
No. They were flown by Argentinian’s. A second rate military that needs to concentrate on not stealing other countries property!
It is the Falklands and they have never been argentinian unless a few months of theft.
Only the daggers were in a position to confront the harriers, especially 5 pilots who had received training from Israeli aces for months, they were the only ones who handled modern tactics. Unfortunately, the high command decided on 4 may to use ALL the A4s and daggers with bombs, none of them would carry out missions. air air, it was thus that the harriers began to shoot down defenseless planes easily. Regarding the sidewinders, in the face of unarmed planes it did not matter what missile the harriers used... in fact all the shoot-downs were from behind.
@@chrisgs8727everyone seems to forget that all the sidewinder kills were from behind and so it didn't matter that they were the Lima variant
@@chrisgs8727 Unarmed planes, they were bombing and strafing ships of the task force cock, I know I was shooting back at the buggers. ex F126.
This has been an excellent series. Many thanks.
Thank you for appreciating it!
Definitely interesting seeing these Harrier vs Mirage/Dagger engagements. Great work as always.
Thanks for the comment and for helping with some of the previous videos!
Sea Harrier - last of our true home grown fighter aircraft x
Yes, it was all joint developments since then. Thanks for commenting!
For the Canberra episode, you’re gonna have to use War Thunder for the reenactment since the game has both the Sea Harrier FRS.1 and the B-57 Canberra.
Or IL2 1946 ! ;)
And has actual FRS1 and GR3 Harriers AND Canberras (B57 and Brit versions) modled
Yeah, nothing similar to Canberra in DCS. I wish WT had the proper map though.
@@showtime112 Canberras were intercepted over the sea... it doesn´t matter if you don´t have the proper map, I think
@@xxxautopsy99xxx IL2 1946 would be a bit of a pain to set up just for a few videos.
@@grupoaereo9 True. But the mere shootdown on 01 May is a bit too short story for a video. I'm thinking of one video to cover all the Canberra operations in the conflict. But that's just an idea for now.
I realised that pilot was going to die when you showed the photo of him standing next to the plane. My father had a similar photo which he told me was to be used if he died while flying the F4
Premier Teniente Ardiles was a cousin of Ozzy Ardiles the footballer.
Thanks for sharing! Did you recognize Ardiles or you somehow felt it?
@@showtime112 I just felt it. Usually those black and white professional pictures lend some somberness.
@@theflyingfool - he was one handsome fella.
A great story as usual. Thanks for sharing it with us
Thank you for sharing your opinion!
Our pilots did what they could do with the disadvantage of the aircrafts, of the systems, the armaments, etc. They were excelent pilots, they faced one of the most modern air forces of the time and did it bravely, here we call them "The Hawks", even british veterans admire their efforts. Keep up the good work with the videos man, they are very well made.
Thank you for this positive comment!
disadvantage of the systems? mf you had some of the most strongest aircraft at the time
@@michelestefanini5466 If you say so...
Your country had the option and opportunity in the late 70,s to buy harriers.your government did not bother to acquire what is still the best fighter jet in history or present in my opinion probably better than the eurofighter typhoon and definitely 100% better than the bs f35b the navy use now
@@leonandrews1096 yeah no pal you're living waaaay to much in the past
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I'm glad to hear it is so, thanks!
As an anecdotal note: in 1982 Ardiles had a little son. In 2005 that little son passed the Dagger pilot exam (called Finger in 2005) Greetings from Patagonia Argentina.
I didn't know that information, thank you for contributing!
@@showtime112 And Ardiles was the cousin of "Ossie" Ardiles, part of the argentinian football team world champion in 1978, who was playing by that time in Tottenham Hotspur , in London. Which he continued doing for years, and still lives there. Another anecdotal note.
There is a song by England band ' Maclads' at the time the lyrics were; 'You can keep that c**t Ardiles 'cos were gonna have the Malvinas. It sums it up.
For years I’ve wanted good detailed Falklands war content and you’ve done it 😎
I'm glad to hear that you like the content, thanks!
There is loads of good Falklands War content out there.
Another excellent video by Showtime 112.♠️🎩🎯🏹
And another excellent comment from ratagris21 😊
Great video, mate. Very informative.
Very good work , thanks
I'm grateful for the comment!
awesome job bro love the vids!!!
Thank you very much!
These videos are excellent. Really gives you greater insight and perspective into the war, using this visual style. Keep it up!
I am very happy to hear it, thanks for the positive feedback!
great episodes illustrating well the limitations difficulties of the opposing sides, it appears warfare is rarely an equal contest, I feel myself willing a parachute to emerge from the falling machine I imagine it would have been the same for the combatants at the time. thanks and keep up the good work.
Looks like viewers find themselves pretty engaged in the content. That is helpful, thank you for the comment!
Excellent work
Thanks for the comment!
The Harrier over the Mirage kind of makes sense now. Sort of the same between Phantom and Mig-17. Low altitude turning fights give the subsonic planes a pretty good advantage. It was also news to me that the Dagars had no radar which seames unforgivable in this era. Even some WWII aircraft had radar.
I read that when isreal made the dagger a radar was not available to them that they needed due to sanctions so any plane was a good plane to them due to operational needs. They had air superiority over the middle east anyway. No radar hurts buyers like argentina though
Reminds me of Hurricane I vs Messerschmitt Bf 109E-3 over London in September 1940. Bf 109E-3 was much faster, but only had 5 minutes worth of dogfighting fuel by the time it reached London - after that it had to turn back.
Mirage 5 (or Nesher/Dagger as it was renamed) was made after Israeli specifications. Mirage III radar was useless on low to medium altitude where all the combat in the Middle East was taking place so they wanted the radar out and more fuel in. In fact, they even removed radars from their Mirage IIIs before the 1973 war and replaced them with ballast.
Flying without radar is basically flying blind 😂
I guess the sellers sold them like that. It’s like selling rifles to the indians. You sell them but not the ammo so you don’t want them to use them against you.
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Very well done documentary. The graphics are amazing.
I'm happy to hear it, thank you!
Amazing History.
Thanks once again!
Great series.Keep up the good work. :)
Thank you for the positive feedback!
The Argentinians were clearly brave but ultimately outclassed by the British
It is a good summary.
@@showtime112 I was on HMS intrepid. It was scary when the planes roared in and dropped their bombs. You could feel the explosions. I shot at a few but they were too fast. Sea Dart got a lot of them though.
Great series of videos. More please.
Thanks! There will be more similar videos in the future.
Nice video 👍
I'm glad you liked it!
Another great video Showtime!
How about doing a video regarding May 12th and the attack on HMS Glasgow & HMS Brilliant!
Thank you! I will certainly cover a lot more from this conflict in the future but I don't have a precise schedule yet.
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No worries mate. Thanks for taking the time to reply.👍
Mais uma vez parabéns!!! O melhor canal de aviação de combate histórico.
The Argentinians had all the advantages of land based aircraft but lost so very badly
That's a pretty big compliment, thanks!
Shows how technology, training and tactics are all as equally as important.
Exactly.
Thank you very much for your video and for the objective way in which you present the information. A video of yours about the attack on the destroyer Coventry would be interesting.
Thank you for your positive comment! I agree this would be an interesting topic. I still hope that Razbam will release more naval assets for the South Atlantic map so that Leander class frigates don't have to stand in for every British ship.
Somehow I skipped this one! Great video, keep 'em comming! 😉👍🏻👏🏻💪🏻🍻🍻🙋🏼♂️
Never mind, the videos don't go anywhere :) More coming up!
@@showtime112 😁👍🏻🙋🏼♂️
Captain Guillermo Donadille had just taken off on May 1 to conduct a weapons test. The missiles were stuck in the Sun and when they tested the 30 mm cannons, he only got a few shots and they jammed. Despite this, he decided to continue. First Lieutenant Ardiles was the cousin of Osvaldo Ardiles, a world champion soccer player with Argentina in 1978, who was playing in England at the time.
The reason for the change in the use of Argentine aircraft was due to two factors: the first is that when entering air-to-air combat the pilots had to launch their external tanks and that left after May 1st with very few external tanks for the Daggers. Then partly solved with tanks from Peru. Secondly, the British used the AIM-9L which was superior to all Argentine air-to-air missiles.
Thank you for the comment and for contributing additional information!
Eso fue porque se posicionaron de frente al sol...una mala decision.Ardiles pudo tirar su misil y este siguio al harrier el problema que fue desde muy lejo y agono combustible ante de impactar. Talo moreno tambien hizo misiones aire aire con shafrirs y no tuvo problemas de enganche..Lamentablemente el alto mando suspendio las misiones de cobertura dejando indefensos a los aviones de ataque a buques.
The 30mm cannons didn’t jam. He fired at “Sharkey” Ward, and missed. He made up his cannon jam to cover it up.
@@MiG-31893 I am talking about May 1 and you are talking about May 21.
@@FuManchu1983 oh. Well I mean it still proves the mirages guns worked fine even after high g maneuvers. I’m French you see and I thought you were assuming that our mirages guns don’t work properly or something.
They definitely worked as good if not better than the harriers ADEN guns, but I guess pilot skill was a huge factor so if there is not proper aim the guns will never work
The supersonic speed was the only chance for escaping from the aerial superiority of the British Sea Harrier. Technically, Dagger or Mirage had this option, not the A-4 Skyhawk, that we saw in the other episode which end to a big drama.
The Super Etendard is not a supersonic plane too but it could launch his Exocet missile quite far from his target and escape at low altitude and he could refueled in flight like the
A-4 Skyhawk. Dagger or MIRAGE couldn't refueled so they have to be careful at their fuel level at all time if they want to return to home.
Those problem where discover pretty fast by the brits, mirage III where diverted to a possible incursion of vulcan over buenos aires and dagger had the range but only could fight in one corridor, so harrier pilots knew perfectly where to look for them. In the other hand, the capabilities and versatility of the A-4s managed them to be more effective, despite being old and with practically no technology on board, and became the workhorse of the argentinian air force.
Salut Jeanne. Les mirages et Dagger ne font pas le poids car différente altitude de combat. Un optimise pour la haute, l'autre pour la basse plus peu de carburant a gaspiller pour le combat.... Et si la RN avait gardé l Ark Royal et ses phantom FG1??? Désarmé en 1979...
Bref on refait pas histoire. J'ai envoyé quelques photos de Dagger a showtime. Par contre je possède une douzaine de photos de Canberra avec équipage. Des fois qu'il en ait besoin pour une future vidéo avec ces avions ?
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J'ai regardé les reportages de l'Ark Royal avec Phantom II et Blackburn Buccaneer, c'était impressionnant pour l'époque, cela envoyait sec.
Comment cela un fait pour la haute et l'autre pour la basse ?
Le MIRAGE est fait pour speeder en haute altitude, pour intercepter des hostiles et le SEA HARRIER est fait pour la basse altitude. De même le SEA HARRIER
n'a pas une grande autonomie avec le système de décollage et atterrissage vertical cela lui ajoute du poids et a un impact sur son enveloppe et donc il a une forte trainée. Le système des tuyères orientables prend de la place à l'intérieur de la cellule et le logement en carburant est faible. Le seul avantage et qu'il n'a pas de POST COMBUSTION qui lui mangerait de la consommation de carburant en plus.
Showtime parle bien du Canberra à la fin de sa vidéo qui a été shooté par un Sea Harrier, et que ce serait pour un autre épisode, alors je pense que tes photos serviront.
That is a pretty good summary. The British side had their problems too, no AEW for example. In many ways, the air combat was more on the 1960s level rather than 1980s.
@@jeannezehner9450 Et encore que le F4K ou FG1 était sévèrement modifié par rapport à une base de F4J, aussi bien moteur que prises d'air. Ainsi que volets et profondeur. Jambe roulette nez télescopique pour catapulte( meilleure angle attaque)Électronique aussi. Un vrai casse tête. Par contre pouvait embarquér un pod canon ventral.
La, y aurait eu une vraie force De projection
Tbh I don't think there's even an Argentinian simulator channel that has this amount of deails in their videos. Good video y gracias!!
Thank you for appreciating it!
Oh yes... Another great vid about Falks !!!!
I appreciate the feedback!
One thing I didn't know until recently was that the Argentine Skyhawks all had ejection seat problems because the gun cartridges that fired the seat were all old and could not be replaced as the USA refused to give the Argies fresh stocks as part of their embargo during the war. This meant it was a lottery if you tried to eject, some worked OK, some worked a bit & others not at all.
Yes. We can only imagine what it was like to go to combat and don't know if the thing is going to work or not. Kinda like driving a car and not knowing if your brakes work or not.
There was a case of a pilot dead because of that reason. His surname was Zubizarreta, and he was a naval pilot in a SkyHawk A4 Q, which were the ones in the worst conditions, talking general.
The system to deliver his bombs failed, so he had to land with the bombs on the jet, whose weight caused his tire to break and he lost his way. Aware of the danger, he ejected, but the expired cartridge threw him too low, not giving time for the parachute to open. He fell like a stone on the track and died.
@@sixtosilxtra4842 poor sod.
Arrived AT, not arrived to.
At the start you show F57 HMS Andromeda....my old ship.
It's standing in for the ships actually used for this operation. The South Atlantic Map developer promised us plenty of naval assets from the period along with the map. Sadly, they only released a small part so I have to use these Leander Class ships to represent everything else.
You saying that damage at 5:30 was caused by “underwater shock” or “30 mm cannons”? I’m having a hard time understanding that
That combination of irregular deck hole + signs of fire damage(?) around it, is unusual. Hard to identify the ship, because most of the UK task force suffered damage and casualties from air attacks at some point. Possibly cannon shells started a fire and/or a small explosion. It doesn't really look like damage from an unexploded Argentine bomb (of which there were many).
Two of the Daggers shot their cannons before dropping the bombs so that causes some of the damage. As for underwater shock, the way I understand it is that the bombs landed in water very near the ships and exploded. The energy of the blast was carried by water and it was still strong enough to cause some damage to the ships.
@@showtime112 I understand how that all works.. just curious about the big , scorched hole in the deck. Thanks for all these videos , really enjoy them
It was a matter of AIM-9B (60 deg rear aspect) v AIM-9L's (360 deg all aspect) is what made the difference ... the UK got the 9L's shipped from the USA (courtesy of the Thatcher/Reagan romance) as the convoy was on the way to update their AIM-9J's (180 deg rear aspect) ... with 9L's the Mirage's would have been formidable and the UK may have lost the war as the Sea Harriers would have suffered large losses. And if that had happened Thatcher would have been in dire straights politically ...
It wasn't nearly as decisive as many think. All or almost all of the shootdowns were achieved from the rear hemisphere and older AIM-9G would have probably worked in most of these cases, if not all.
The AIM-9Ls that were with the carriers on the 1st May were taken from UK NATO war stocks for the F-4 Phantom. A batch was requested from the US later in May and they arrived at Ascension towards the end of May. However, as only 20 something missiles were fired, and 100 or Limas arrived from UK stock at Ascension before the Carriers arrived, the US batch supplied late had no impact on the air war. So, unfortunately, you're perpetuating a myth. The other missiles the RN had on the carriers were the AIM-9G, not J.
The m3 was discarded no fuel to fight over the island . The dagger was a good platform with 3 external tanks and missiles , but the high command suspends all air-to-air missions and concentrates all the planes to attack ships with bombs without missiles... In that situation, if they came across a harrier pac, they would be "pigeon shooting". I have no doubt that if we had kept the dagger pacs we would have had much more success against the harriers, or at least preventing the harriers from attacking the bombers. Just remenber 19 out 21 argentine planes shoot down by harrier didnt carry air to air missiles. The British had 9L from day one, you can see in the photos.
More than 9l, what the "mirages" needed was more range, and there were not enough external tanks in stock since each air-air mission sent involved shooting 4 of them...
According to what I have investigated, England already had about HUNDRED 9L missiles in its inventory. When the conflict began, he requested 200 or 300 extra, of which 100 were delivered on Asension Isla.
Argentina did not prepare for war, according to them, there would be no conflict. If they had been interested in doing so, they could have acquired a missile identical to the 9L, the python3, since Israel had the best relations with them (and an antipathy towards England).
Rubbish 🙄
Enhorabuena. Qué buen vídeo. Gran trabajo de documentación también.
Muchas gracias
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I’m confused @showtime112. I was an ordnance in the USAF. In 1982 we used snake eye retarder fins on our bombs. Air bag retarder fins came in to the USAF inventory a few years later. Did the argentines military use snake eyes?
The bombs used here are not 100% historically accurate. Daggers carried Spanish built parachute-retarded bombs in this attack. Since we don't have them in DCS, I used Mk82Y because that seemed like the closest thing to it. I think Argentine Navy had some Snakeyes at the time.
The Argentine navy had Mk-82 Snakeye bombs for their A-4s, which were successfully used against the landing ship Sir Galahad off Fitzroy, eventually resulting in her sinking.
Years ago, the Argentine navy had placed a large order with the United States, which included all versions of Snakeye, Zuni rockets, and photographic modules for the A4Q. They only refused to sell us a more modern version of the air-to-air missile. According to what a pilot told me, they had at least 600 MK82s. The "problem" is that there was an enormous rivalry between the air force and the navy, each with its own pride, that rivalry prevented the air force planes from using snakeyes. I know that on May 25 the navy gave the air force 50 mk82 bombs and they were not used or even returned...
@@mikearmstrong8483 Not so, she was sunk after the war as a (war grave) by HMS Onyx.
Did'nt a Harrier shoot down a Turbo Prop Pucara over the Falklands?
Yes. On 21 May 1982 Argentine pilot Major Carlos Tomba’s Pucara was shot down by a British Sea Harrier flown by Nigel ’Sharkey’ Ward of 801 Squadron. Major Tomba ejected from the aircraft at about 40ft above the ground, and survived.
There was a Pucara that crashed during the fight at Goose Green, early in the ground fighting.
The Paras claimed they shot it down with small arms fire, and I don't doubt them.
Have heard of a Pucara engaged by Harrier cannon fire, but don't know that turned out.
Great video but I was waiting to hear what happened to the Skyhawks and Canberras which you mentioned launched along with the Daggers and Mirages.
The Argentinians were undoubtedly incredibly brave. However, they were taking on a nation that had fought countless real air-to-air battles over the previous 60 years. All that history, good and bad, had gone into the training programs that the British gave their pilots. By virtue of history, the Argentinian pilots were less well-trained and were operating inferior jets for low level operations, operating at maximum range with limited/no radar and inferior weapons. The technical advantage of the Sidewinder AIM-9L missile with its all-aspect capability can also not be over-rated. There is always an element of luck in these engagements, but the British held all the aces. In the end, the Falklands war was a turkey shoot and the Argentinians were no match for the British by any assessment of the conflict.
Excellent summary 👏👍
Little known fact. Lt Ardiles, the Mirage pilot killed, was the cousin of the footballer, Ossie Ardiles, who played for Argentina and Tottenham Hotspurs
True. He had to go to France for a while I think. I imagine he wasn't a great supporter of the war but I could be wrong.
@@showtime112 Yes, he played one or two years in PSG, before going back.
A funny fact was that the Tottenham´s supporters put a flag saying " Argies can keep the Falklands, we keep Ossie".
@@sixtosilxtra4842 He was probably worth more at the time 😁😁😁
5:37 is clearly not “damage from a nearby miss”. That is a HOLE in the deck.
Quite possible to be a hole from a bomb that did not explode.
It happened many times, often because the brave Argentine pilots did not observe the engagement limits of their weapon.
Dropping them very low and very fast did not make hitting he target easier, and the weapon often did not have time to arm before hitting anything.
Like large calibre gun shells, they 'over-penetrate' Can still sink a ship by making holes in it, though...
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Supersonic speed is the speed of an object that exceeds the speed of sound (Mach 1).
For objects traveling in dry air of a temperature of 20 °C (68 °F) at sea level, this speed is approximately 343.2 m/s (1,126 ft/s; 768 mph; 667.1 kn; 1,236 km/h).
Speeds greater than five times the speed of sound (Mach 5) are often referred to as hypersonic.
Flights during which only some parts of the air surrounding an object, such as the ends of rotor blades, reach supersonic speeds are called transonic. This occurs typically somewhere between Mach 0.8 and Mach 1.2.
Was there ever any truth to the story of Argentine aircraft being re-routed to hide losses from comrades.
Its a joke ????
What do you mean exactly?
@@showtime112 well, I remember hearing at the time and a bit later (I worked for worked for a while with four prison officers who had all been there with the parachute regiment) that because of the losses incurred attacking the task force the Argentine command sent returning strike planes to a different airfield with some excuse so that they wouldn’t become aware of the heavy losses they were taking. So, they’d land back and ask about the rest of their guys but would receive a genuine ‘I don’t know’ from the ground staff. I’m a bit sceptical of this as I’m not sure the losses to attack aircraft were that bad. I’ve not come across any conformation other than just more hearsay.
Don’t forget the us gave us the latest sidewinders
It was reviewed after the conflict that the AIM-9G that the UK also had would have done nearly the same job. In the engagements the AIM-9L didn't really give a better advantage.
True but the shootdowns were scored from the rear hemisphere.
We already held them in our inventory cock, the US supplied around 100 later at our request. FRS.1 flew from day one with the 9-Lima.
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Excellant ob, my friend, very interesting & informative. I had it in my mind that Argentina had Saab Drakkens, too.(one of my favoriye aircraft). Anyway, thank you and I will send some $$ on the first to support your great work.
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Great video! I love it.
You're using archive footage and background music just like I asked for them, and you're getting better every time you use it.
Please make a video about the May 1st dogfight between the Harrier and Canberra and then I recomend you make a video about the May 21st dogfights by Nigel Ward and Steve Thomas.
Here is a video of Nigel Ward explaining the dogfight at 15:19 :
m.th-cam.com/video/5Lw8eWE7aQ8/w-d-xo.html
Remember, your objective is to make the videos just like the Dogfights series from the History Channel. That is what you're doing: gaining experience and perfecting your knowledge and skills with each video you post.
Keep up the good work!
Thanks for the comment! I will continue to cover this conflict in the future. I just need to make a small break.
I was shocked to hear news reports that Sharkey Wards son Kris "tragically died" a few years ago.
Was it a crash or what?
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A day late...I was downing beers yesterday. That means I get a Pass...
And I suppose watching sober is a different experience. You see more details and stuff :)
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Participating in activities while sober...are a contrast to participating in activities while under thee influence. What I'm saying is that I concur with your comment.
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Participating in activities while sober...are a contrast to participating in activities while under thee influence. What I'm saying is that I concur with your comment.
82ND AIRBORNE
What's with the two comments?? Did I stutter or repeat myself??
Apparently it turned out the thing many people were saying that the Harrier pilots used the swiveling nozzles to do a sort of Top Gun style "hit the brakes and he'll fly right by" maneuver to get the Argentinian Mirages to overshoot wasn't true. The pilots themselves themselves made it clear that that was absolute nonsense and they never did such a thing.
I don't remember hearing that a Harrier pilot in this conflict did such a maneuver. But I guess it sounds very cool and the story simply grew out of that.
You were showing the exact damage on glamorgan... not bomb near miss!
If you mean the photos, it's most likely that those come from strafing.
@showtime112 no that's the shorebased exocet hit on the glamorgan County class destroyer.
Sending a single Dagger as a fighter is a fools errand. The mission should have been scrubbed.
Had the RN had Phantoms then you would have seen a very different air war. The Shars poor range, poor radar, poor performance and only 2 Sidewinders was a very limiting factor.
Gannets and Phantoms would have sorted out many issues.
The single Dagger assessment seems correct, especially now. And the old Ark Royal with Phantoms and Buccaneers would have made a big difference for sure. Perhaps Argentina wouldn't have decided to go to war in the first place.
@@showtime112 you have a reasonable point.
I remember watching something about Korean War where if you lose your wingman then it's return to base so sending a single fighter without radar is nuts. Although it may throw the Shar pilots as they be looking for a wingman that isn't there.
Had the Phantom been there with Gannets then I would fully expect British losses to be less and Argentine aircraft loses to skyrocket.
Those 3 fleeing Daggers would be doomed. And no Etendard would get anywhere near Exocet range.
Great videos!!.. I would like in spanish too..or sub
Thanks! For now, I don't have the resources to do it in Spanish. Some of my viewers use automatic subtitle translation. It's far from perfect but probably good enough.
@@showtime112 Thanks for answer.. Thanks for your work!!
comment for algorithm.
It is appreciated!
Dimeglio didn't drop any bombs on Arrow, he only straffed it with cannon fire. What exactly happened to his bombs is a mystery.
Dimeglio and his squadron (torno) have the theory that they were the ones who really hit the Sheffield that sank days later (that is, they believe that it is not true that the Sheffield was sunk by an exocet). Their proof is that the photos of the Sheffield show the ship with exceptionally calm seas, something that only happened on 1/5. He says that the British attributed the sinking to the exocet because it was more "respectable" to say that they had been hit by a modern missile, than to admit that they had received a free-fall bomb from planes that emerged unscathed. I don't know what to believe, but it is true that the sea as calm as it looks in the photo is something very rare in south atlantic.
Take it from the British pilots who said the Argentine pilots were incredibly skilled and courageous.
Strange that Argentinian fighters had no radar.
Dagger, or originally Mirage V was actually requested specifically by Israelis. They realized that Mirage III's radar was useless on low to medium altitude and it would be better to just remove it and add some fuel instead.
What about the camberra bomber shot down in this day, May 1sr, mentioned in this video?
We don't know nothing about that. Do that deserve a video?
The shootdown of that last Canberra is pretty simple, it's a bit too short for a video. I'm probably going to do a video about all the Canberra operations in the War. But the problem is that I need to use War Thunder since there's no Canberra in DCS. And War Thunder doesn't have the map of this area (nor anything really similar)
Hey Buddy@@showtime112. Thank you very much for your answer. I feel myself very honored by your attention and dedicated response. That´s real. There isn´t any Camberras in DCS, so it is impossible to do that video. I would be very grateful if you could send me sources about that incident - the first camberra shot down. I don´t know anything about that.
How can you see it if it’s a Mirage 😂
You can see it, you just can't be sure it is real :)
Same fighters used by Israeli Air Force date remarkable job in Combat
True. The conditions were a bit different but still, the Mirage is the highest scoring supersonic jet .
Close to 100%
CAUSE,MATERIAL.
Your Falklands videos are awesome. Thanks! Another episode was tha brazilian F-5 interception of a Vulcan bomber. They tried, unsuccessfuly, to get rid of their missile. At the end, the brazilian air force seized the missile.
What nonsense. You mean the Vulcan that missed a refuel and had to make an emergency landing in Brazil? What missile: "'After diplomatic consultations, and given that the plane was completely unarmed the Brazilian government has decided that it can return to its base of origin,' said Air Force Minister Brig. Delio Jardim de Mattos in a statement. "
@@originalkk882 the Vulcan was carrying an AGM-45 anti-radar missile that was seized by brazilian authorities for a while. If you want to know more about, please, see this video with english subtitles on:
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@@originalkk882 that "unarmed" was after the missile withdrawal in order to liberate the Vulcan. That's because Brazil was, technically, neutral in that conflict.
I appreciate your comment! This was an interesting episode relative to the conflict. Unfortunately, impossible to reenact at the moment.
I believe that the American made Shrike anti-radar missile that the Vulcan was carrying was jettisoned while still over the ocean, though I may be misremembering that.
Even if it had been seized by the Brazilians, it wouldn't have been any big deal because Brazil was not hostile to the US and not allied with the Warsaw Pact so the missile wouldn't fall into unfriendly hands. And the Shrike was 20 year old technology anyway.
very differcult conditions....the Brits having to fly from carriers and the Argentines with extreme range restraints......
That's true. Argentinian aircraft were at their range limit but Sea Harriers had similar problems as the carriers had to keep well away of the islands due to the Exocet threat.
The downing of ardiles dagger was not the merit of the harriers but a gross failure of the Argentine high command, sending only one plane is ridiculous, at least they must operate in pairs, if he run into a harrier pac he would be sentenced, and so it was... That mistake was made twice that day, the other dagger pilot Raul Diaz, luckily didn't run into any enemy pac. No one was accused or blamed for sending Ardiles alone.
The underpower sea harrier was superior
Yes different fighting scenario's .. no use pitting M3's against the Sea Harrier at low/med levels defending their shipping, you will always lose! High altitude dog fights are pointless and rare these days. They arent needed.
We dont send high altitude bombers' up now, they simply send bad arse missiles to each other!
The m3 was discarded. The dagger was a good platform with 3 external tanks and missiles (the downing of ardiles was due to sending it alone against 2 sea harriers, something stupid), but the high command suspends all air-to-air missions and concentrates all the planes to attack ships with bombs without missiles... In that situation, if they came across a harrier pac, they would be "pigeon shooting". I have no doubt that if we had kept the dagger pacs we would have had much more success against the harriers, or at least preventing the harriers from attacking the bombers. Just remenber 19 out 21 argentine planes shoot down by harrier didnt carry air to air missiles.
Sometime before the war Argentine could have bought Sea Harriers for their navy. Makes you wonder how different the war would have been.
A couple of years after the war one of the British carriers was at sea and having made contact with a US Navy carrier arranged to have a mock battle with it, something which often happens between NATO members. The USN carriers was in the middle of getting its aircraft ready to launch when two Sea Harriers came in at wave top height and mounted a simulated attack on the US carrier.
Thank you for the comment! I didn't know about that exercise.
When Argentina bought its aircraft carrier in Holland, England offered us the harrier and one landed on the deck, it was then that the United States decided to sell us skyhawks for the aircraft carrier. Years later the harrier toured Latin America in search of sales... it was not successful. It would have been a very good plane for us to use from the islands runway against the manufacturers..
There was a time in the 1980s we ( the RAF ) had the Communist Chinese People's Liberation Army Air Force officers in Britain to sell aircraft to them.
They liked the Harrier a lot.
Somehow none were sold to them.
I think it was BAE Hawks we wanted to sell them.
So, a good interceptor with no proper missile is worthless in modern warfare
Essentially, yes.
Shafrir2 achieved 100 kills in Israeli hands. The problem with ardiles was that they sent him alone against 2 sea harriers, something very stupid. He had to return to base.
UK jets dominating Argentina jets, what's not to like?
RAF had better Training and understanding of Aireal war Fare .
In general royal navy sea harrier pilots had better air to air training (we only had 5 dagger pilots trained in modern tactics by israeli aces..m3 pilos only knew old french bomber interception tactics..totaly outdated , a4 main training was air to ground) Anyway harriers cant stop argentine planes, most fot the time find them after they dropped their bombs to ships..(7sunk ships and 14 damaged )
The Falklands belong to the Falkland Islanders, not the UK, and certainly not the ex-Spanish colony of Fascist Argentina.
You are an implanted population without the right to decide.
If you speak to the Falkland islanders they consider themselves British, and are highly patriotic.
@@johnklockyer I know, I've been there. But that is their choice.
@@seanjoseph8637 same as
It belongs to the Penguins 🐧 😊
All refurbished then sold to America for less than the price of the refurbishments , loads of dodgy deals
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Argentinian pilots were brave men ... but it was an uncalled for war.... The Falkland islanders were then and even recently voted to stay British. I object to you bowing to argentine terms of Malvinas.... apart from that... not a bad programme. Brave men died on both sides - needlessly due to a poorly run Argentine Junta Government.
Germans narrating! What!
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I was here before the salty Argentinians.
And remember, the Falklands will always be British.
France, Spain too... you are wrong.
@@chocomike8227 none of which are Argentina, and none of which claim it today 🤷
White glove piracy
Argentina will never stop claiming them. Since UK piracy is known by the UN, sooner or later the Malvinas will be argentine again. Sorry.
No por mucho es cuestión de tiempo
The biggest difference in the Falklands aerial war, was made by the missiles AIM-9L SideWinder, given by the Northamericans to England. For the Sea Harriers it was like a duck hunting. Without them, the results would have been different.
And Ardiles was the cousin of "Ossie" Ardiles, part of the argentinian football team world champion in 1978, who was playing by that time in Tottenham Hotspur , in London. Which he continued doing for years, and still lives there.
Actually, all or almost all the shootdowns were achieved from rear hemisphere. That means that older AIM-9G would have worked pretty much the same.
@@showtime112 Ok, i didn´t know that.
The importance of the sidewinder L is very secondary. The biggest reasons for the success of the harriers were that the m3s didn't have enough fuel for medium/ low-altitude air combat, they didn't have enough auxiliary tanks, and with the vulcan threat to the continent the m3s had to be conserved to guard the bases.
The dagger did have more range (1300lts x3 +2 shafrirs could stay 10 minutes on the islands) their pacs operating on May 1 and 4 were effective (they allowed the escape of 1 squadron pursued by harriers and had a fight with them in which there were no winners) the problem is that later, there was an order from the high command that suspended all air-to-air missions, And the new tactic was to concentrate all the A4s and Daggers to attack ships only armed with bombs, no aa missiles, so they were defenseless. That was why, except for 1/5, all the other harrier encounters with a4 and dagger were found without missiles, which made them "pigeon shooting".
If the daggers were armed with exocets instead of bombs the attack would be devastating
Daggers could not carry Exocets (Etendards job) and there weren't that many missiles in the inventory anyways.
That could be extremelly hard to put to work, there is a bit of timelapse between those things 😂😂😂
Sorry about that. I thought Daggers could use them. Check about Peru literally trafficking Exocets to Argentina. Interesting Story. Meanwhile Chile supporting The British efforts since they hate Argentina because of frontier disputes. I'm Brazilian and we had a Vulcan Bomber that allegedly had reffueling problems and had to divert approching our shore and being intercepted by our F-5E that had to break the sound barrier over the city of Rio de Janeiro. Actually our navy and Air force radar and surveillance aicraft were giving info to the argentinians about British fleet movements. ALL good stories. The Vulcan was held until the end of hostilities and one of its missiles was removed by our airforce and reverse engineered to create one of our early anti ship our anti radiation missiles. Sorry about mispelling. Thanks for the reply.
@@leosouzanet What missiles was the Vulcan carrying? Be interested to know. Was that the time the Vulcan had to be parked out of sight of the Popes visit?
@@flybobbie1449that was an anti-radar missile and the brazilian air force seized it.
Dude's name was "Faget", lol.
BY 2200.THIS PLANE BECOMING CHIEF USED PLANE.
Je trouve les pilotes Argentins un peu légers
2 mirages III au tapis et un mort
Face à ces avions anglais qui ne sont pas des ( fléches )
J ai du mal à comprendre
Esta mal representados los aviones, los mirage III nunca llevaron bombas. Los que atacaron los buques fueron Mirage Dagger. Y los Harrier no son las versiones que estuvieron en Malvinas.
They are approximations which is very clearly explained in the pinned comment. If it bothers you that much, just watch something else.
Un pequeños detalle...todo lo demas es exelente
les anglais peuvent encore aujourd'hui remercier Mr Reagan en offrant ce missile (sidewinder)! l'amérique sauve le cul des anglais.
Not really, many harrier kills were achieved by they’re British made ADEN 30mm cannons
Ok frenchie, we saved your ass in June 1944
Kelly’s Garden , San Carlos , A5 . If you know you know 🤔🫡