Good God, I LOVED Jim Zorn. Outside of Fran Tarkenton and MAYBE Stabler or Staubach, nobody could improv better after a play broke down, and since Seattle was an expansion team with a bare cupboard of talent, their plays always broke down.
Great video, Official Jaguar Gator9. I'm a 60 year old lifelong Viking fan, and I thought I was aware of every Viking screwup. Vikes have had many. At this time I was living in Virginia, and we rarely got Viking games. Since there wasn't as much media coverage back then, I only remember them losing the game, but not much more than that. The Viking defense was on the decline, and we just figured the defense blew it as they would not have done five years prior to that. I have no clue as to what was going through Bud Grant's mind at that time.
David Sims was a “one hit wonder” because he sustained a severe neck injury early in the 1979 season which ended his career. That was a shame too, because he had a real promising start to his career. The Seahawks running game really suffered after that.
I was just happy that it was not the Seahawks doing a dumb decision in this one. But the Seahawks have made more than their fair share of stupid decisions in their franchise history.
I wonder myself why Minnesota didn't use any time-outs. It's not like a team playing in Seattle is going to screw up such an easy chip-shot game-winning field goal. 😆😆😆
Add to this that Seattle's defense this season iirc was the worst in the game. I know this is late but I've discovered your channel within the last couple of days. I really like this kind of stuff and respect the work that goes into producing it.
I am going to echo what some others have said about the timeout philosophy of the time. I remember it being so rare for coaches to use the timeouts on defense that when it occurred, the announcers made a rather “big deal” of it. You would save the timeouts for offense because you could not easily stop the clock when you had the ball (no “clocking” the football allowed in that era). Surprised there was not something about other teams taking defensive timeouts in the video to show it was common practice (if it was). The last time I had an era-based strategic question, the video showed the same coach taking an international safety rather than punting and risking a block-and-score just weeks before.
Some other fan nailed it below. It was different then. You never thought of the team scoring. You won the game by defense. No team won by letting the other team score. You stopped you're opponent. I remember watching this game. Not once do you hear the broadcasters question no timeout. This was a man's game. The dumb decision was that the defense did not stop the Seahawks. 1978 equation.
4 minutes in, and I know you're good for the analysis that may make me eat my words. But the timeout on defense is a new strategy, at least with any kind of regularity. I'm not saying it isn't mismanagement, but I am suggesting it wasn't the convention of the era. Let's see if you make me eat crow...
Vin Scully the voice of the Dodgers did this game. Seattle was an interesting team as they had some scrappiness and Minnesota probably got a little too cocky.
I can't decide whether this is worse than the Rams' clock management at the end of the first half in '85 against the Bears or not (another of your vids).
Bud Grant had several hundred games in the NFL where he proved he wasn't a dumb coach. This had to be a case of a very smart guy beating himself by overthinking things. I don't know what Grant's reasoning would have been, but whatever it was, he outsmarted himself in a simple situation. When they got into field-goal range, his best response was that he had Fran Tarkenton. You have to give him time.
I'm not sure what Grant was thinking. When the Seahawks got that deep into Vikings territory, he should've thought about how to use his timeouts right then.
If this happened today the coach would be fired the next day. Reddit, Twitter, and TH-cam would clown him forever. This is obviously bad lol. But Vikings gonna Viking.
There was no such thing as time management and scoring wasn't at a premium back than. The game was about beating your opponent to a pulp and if you were ahead on the scoreboard that was a bonus. Game was a war of attrition, not an aerial passing game you see today. Two unwritten rules existed, one was you never take points off a scoreboard and the second was never call a timeout when you were ahead
Maybe they didn't call a timeout because they thought the Seahawks kicker might miss. I would like to see how good that kicker was on his field goal percentage.
Well, in Bud's defense, the NFL had a rule at the time that you get a coupon for a free pizza for every timeout you didn't use during the season. And he lived in godawful Minnesota, so... y'know....lol
In a 1978 game beweteen the Vikings and Seahawks the Vikings did not use a timeout this is the story behind them play for some reason did not burn any of the three timeouts remaining the Vikings lost 29-28 this is the story behind the worst timeout management.
Nailed it again. Editing is $$. Absolute best NFL channel going. Topics are for real NFL fans. Always bringing something outta left field.
Good God, I LOVED Jim Zorn. Outside of Fran Tarkenton and MAYBE Stabler or Staubach, nobody could improv better after a play broke down, and since Seattle was an expansion team with a bare cupboard of talent, their plays always broke down.
I feel like I've seen this exact same kind of timeout mismanagement many times.
Great video, Official Jaguar Gator9. I'm a 60 year old lifelong Viking fan, and I thought I was aware of every Viking screwup. Vikes have had many. At this time I was living in Virginia, and we rarely got Viking games. Since there wasn't as much media coverage back then, I only remember them losing the game, but not much more than that. The Viking defense was on the decline, and we just figured the defense blew it as they would not have done five years prior to that. I have no clue as to what was going through Bud Grant's mind at that time.
“WHY DID YOU NOT BURN A TIMEOUT?!”
Bud Grant is probably home right now playing with the 3 time-outs he saved. He lost the game but he did get to keep his time-outs.
Thought grant died years ago but I guess your right lol
@@scottaznavourian3720 Grant passed this past March at 95.
David Sims was a “one hit wonder” because he sustained a severe neck injury early in the 1979 season which ended his career. That was a shame too, because he had a real promising start to his career. The Seahawks running game really suffered after that.
Until they got Curt Warner.
Bud Grant is still alive at 94 years old and finally looking his age.
He will look a 104 if someone shows him this video..
This was as effective as spiking the ball on every single play AND calling time out as well.
Saw it was an old Era Seahawks game and just assumed Seattle screwed it. Pleasantly surprised
Awesome content as always my friend!!! Thank you
I love this channel. Keep it up jag!
I was just happy that it was not the Seahawks doing a dumb decision in this one. But the Seahawks have made more than their fair share of stupid decisions in their franchise history.
Hmm.
Wow of all the coaches, I would’ve never guessed Bud Grant would do something as stupid as this. Unreal
Just discovered this channel. Great job! I love this kind of stuff. You just got a subscribe and bell notification, sir.
"If you're relying on a kicker missing an extra point to win a game, then you might as well just give up now."
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Seattle deserved to win it, anyway, seeing as how those two questionable calls (2:05 and 2:30) blatantly went in Minnesota's favor.
'Sota done got 'Zorn'ed' again!! 2:45
I wonder myself why Minnesota didn't use any time-outs. It's not like a team playing in Seattle is going to screw up such an easy chip-shot game-winning field goal. 😆😆😆
Nope that usually happens on the other end of a Seahawks-vikings game...
4:39 Fth, then F from the CBS broadcast
graphic editing in real time
Bud Grant also won 4 Grey Cups in Winnipeg.
And 4 SB losses in USA.
Also has an NFL championship.
Even with there not being anything close to today's emphasis on situational awareness back then, this was incredibly foolish on Grant's part
That is how it was done then because the perception was why would you help the other team on a Game Winning Drive.
Add to this that Seattle's defense this season iirc was the worst in the game. I know this is late but I've discovered your channel within the last couple of days. I really like this kind of stuff and respect the work that goes into producing it.
I am going to echo what some others have said about the timeout philosophy of the time. I remember it being so rare for coaches to use the timeouts on defense that when it occurred, the announcers made a rather “big deal” of it. You would save the timeouts for offense because you could not easily stop the clock when you had the ball (no “clocking” the football allowed in that era). Surprised there was not something about other teams taking defensive timeouts in the video to show it was common practice (if it was). The last time I had an era-based strategic question, the video showed the same coach taking an international safety rather than punting and risking a block-and-score just weeks before.
Some other fan nailed it below. It was different then. You never thought of the team scoring. You won the game by defense. No team won by letting the other team score. You stopped you're opponent. I remember watching this game. Not once do you hear the broadcasters question no timeout. This was a man's game. The dumb decision was that the defense did not stop the Seahawks. 1978 equation.
*your oops.
They didn't even try to "ice" the kicker ( which seldoms work).
4 minutes in, and I know you're good for the analysis that may make me eat my words. But the timeout on defense is a new strategy, at least with any kind of regularity. I'm not saying it isn't mismanagement, but I am suggesting it wasn't the convention of the era. Let's see if you make me eat crow...
Didn't Cowher do this against the Browns in 1999?
Oh yeah, whatever happened to that Scully guy who called this game?
I forgot Vin Scully used to do football
@@davesimms8825 and Golf.
@@DownriverBusinessEventsGroup I hadn’t forgotten that.
@@davesimms8825 Good.
The Great Vin Scully on the play call
just read up on David Sims; it’s a shame his career ended so early because of the injury.
1:44 The Grunge Rock City done got 'Fran'ed'!!
Vin Scully the voice of the Dodgers did this game. Seattle was an interesting team as they had some scrappiness and Minnesota probably got a little too cocky.
Not so fun fact:
David Sims actually suffered a career ending injury in the 3rd game of the 1979 season so that’s why he didn’t sustain expectations.
I can't decide whether this is worse than the Rams' clock management at the end of the first half in '85 against the Bears or not (another of your vids).
So crazy. I never knew about this game. In today’s game, Grant would be eaten alive in the media by all the second guessers.
Bud Grant had several hundred games in the NFL where he proved he wasn't a dumb coach. This had to be a case of a very smart guy beating himself by overthinking things. I don't know what Grant's reasoning would have been, but whatever it was, he outsmarted himself in a simple situation. When they got into field-goal range, his best response was that he had Fran Tarkenton. You have to give him time.
1:03 'Sota done got 'Zorn'ed'!!
The 'Worst timeout management ever'?? Jimmy Johnson from Game 2 MNF of the 1991 season says 'Hold my beer'.
I'm not sure what Grant was thinking. When the Seahawks got that deep into Vikings territory, he should've thought about how to use his timeouts right then.
Rip😢
Yes, poor clock management. I just don't think that wasn't the norm back then, if you had the lead late and to use timeouts on defense.
Is that Vin Scully on the call?
yes
If this happened today the coach would be fired the next day. Reddit, Twitter, and TH-cam would clown him forever. This is obviously bad lol. But Vikings gonna Viking.
Indeed they do...1960 and holding!
Clearly, Grant was relying on the fact that Hererra had already missed two extra-point kicks in the game.
There was no such thing as time management and scoring wasn't at a premium back than. The game was about beating your opponent to a pulp and if you were ahead on the scoreboard that was a bonus. Game was a war of attrition, not an aerial passing game you see today. Two unwritten rules existed, one was you never take points off a scoreboard and the second was never call a timeout when you were ahead
By the late 70s with Pass Interference Rules changing to more reflect the Modern Game it started to become more about the Passing Game.
Maybe they didn't call a timeout because they thought the Seahawks kicker might miss. I would like to see how good that kicker was on his field goal percentage.
Well, in Bud's defense, the NFL had a rule at the time that you get a coupon for a free pizza for every timeout you didn't use during the season. And he lived in godawful Minnesota, so... y'know....lol
Great channel. Would be even more great if it had a more marketable name.
In the 1970s, teams always saved their timeouts for the offense. No team would have called time out in this situation
Guess grant had money on seattle.
This was common
Minnesota gonna Minnesota.
In a 1978 game beweteen the Vikings and Seahawks the Vikings did not use a timeout this is the story behind them play for some reason did not burn any of the three timeouts remaining the Vikings lost 29-28 this is the story behind the worst timeout management.
He clearly failed Football Coaching 101
Well, to be fair, saying Barry 'Packing a gun at the airport' Switzer won a superbowl is like saying Biden won the presidential election...
The reward is the game is obviously fixed, tampered with. That's the reward. Cheat the fans and make someone some extra money!
He should not be in the HOF based on this.