What's wrong with ETA prime ? His benchmarks are suuuuuper annoying though, he somehow seems to find the most impractical scenarios to benchmark that 99% of the users can't relate with.
@@GewelReal ETA Prime has a nasty habit of putting out 'reviews' that are effectively an extension of the OEMs marketing arm. See the EM680 - their review had different tests in it to their normal, and appeared to be running custom BIOS settings that others couldn't replicate in the real world. That system had a BIOS bug that prevented the APU from using 30w, but max'd out at 15w, instead of 15w cpu/gpu each. They didn't mention that compared to other 6800U devices they'd used, it was massively slower. The BIOS has been updated and fixed now, but that wasn't until *months* after that review. Not to be trusted, in the slightest.
Please ignore the people worried about you turning into a shill. I doubt they worry enough to back you financially, and I love the mini-pc reviews. Keep up the great work and thanks for this one. Oooo! I can't wait for the Strix Point mini-PCs! I'm biting my nails...
Last child of Zen 4 before Zen 5 unfurls all over us. Less than one month till Computex! Also just a detail but from what I've seen 8000 series looks like the same specs but has had interesting power tweaks and generally performs quite a lot better in lower power machines.
Waiting for the Strix Point announcement to slurp up a Ryzen 5 7640HS mini-PC for very cheap. Especially if I find a mini PC with a Phoenix engineering sample, which is an even better deal than an average barebones system
Uuumm, I have 3 of these running different python data structures continously on each. They save space are actually pretty damn fast. I upgraded each one to 64gb of ram and a 2tb m.2. So I guess there are uses for it...
Crazy idea but NPU can be used to make AI in games better. Ultimately creating a game with *real* difficulty options as the AI learns from its mistake and git gud at trying to defeat you, no need to play sweaty Call of Duty with spicy chats, just do it with the NPU AI in single player game.
It would need to be an entire new mode though that is hard to code and get right, and not many players will even be able to comfortably play it. Classic AI in games is stupidly hard to do, I don't think really adaptive AI will come out any time soon
I have 3 of these running different python data structures continously on each. They save space are actually pretty damn fast. I upgraded each one to 64gb of ram and a 2tb m.2. So I guess there are uses for it...
GMKTEC still sell the 7840 for about 10 quid less than this one. I'd spend the extra simply to get the hidden improvements you might (only might) get with a new model e.g. USB C PD should work better (improves slightly with each gen) and they might improve the cooling a bit. You don't get any BIOS upgrades with this type of product, so this type of replacement chip, as opposed to an upgrade, might benefit from that as well. Good review!
You really showed your true colors today when you refused to pay that $5000 license to test this one random chip that I've never heard of nor care about.
Technically, AMD does have CPUs with Big.Little(or P & E Cores) "Phoenix2" CPUs like the 7645U and 7440U(also 8500G & 8300G on desktop) have Zen4 and Zen4c cores in the same CPU
To be fair I would argue that AMDs driver level frame generation works best if you have a 165Hz+ monitor and is able to strike a framerate of around 80fps. I use it for cyberpunk at 1440p native. and it comfortably gets the game into the 120-170fps range... Still waiting for FSR 3.1 in Cyberpunk, will it ever release?
I dont know about the benchmark you are talking about for SDNext, but if you just installed stable diffusion with either Automatic1111 on nvidia or ishggytigy's version on amd, you could just test the itterations per second.
Meh, it's not that big of a deal really, I just had to explain why I wasn't able to test the one thing that is claimed to be different over the 7840HS!
But thanks to ETA Prime I now know that there are only a handful of proper mini PC manufacturers that are worth buying products from, ETA Prime is actually a good channel. If you think that every video he makes on any product is his personal endorsement, you're very wrong - don't project your consumerist mentality onto a channel that just posts benchmarks of various computers. Both Iceberg Tech and ETA Prime are exactly that, and not ad channels. Don't watch the telly
ETA Prime is a YTChannel and a lot of his videos are criticized for not being sufficiently credible and that he's more of a showcase for vendors. There's a fair amount of hate on the guy but if you know that fact when you're watching his videos (he doesn't offer a lot of negatives or criticisms), then you're left with an enjoyable showcase and that's fine too. As for the miniPCs, what's humorous is that when they really started to hit the mainstream a couple of years ago, they were great for emulation and retro gaming and general PC productivity. You could hook these up fairly easy to a TV and have a lot of power for some fun older games. Then, as the miniPCs have become more and more powerful on the graphics side, they're expected to be far more impressive for gaming than they really have the ability to be. Can you play a AAA game on one? Yes. Should you? Well, that's always in the eye of the beholder, but I'd probably pass. EDIT: This video makes it pretty clear that there's not much benefit on this newer generation of mobile processors from AMD, so I don't think Iceberg Tech deserves any comparison to ETA Prime. That said, I actually bought a K8 and just received it but haven't set it up yet. I'm curious to see what the BIOS updates from last month do to the device to reduce fan noise and there's some other videos that state that they got better results from using the silent performance mode in the BIOS (which is obviously counter-intuitive). So there's more to dig into this hardware than was presented. But again, comparing this to ETA Prime content is excessive. I thought this video was good.
ERRATA:
Sorry, it's not "Zen 4+"
can't wait for Zen 18+
@@GewelReal Zen is finally legal
Did I miss you talking about the thermals?
I could also see this being nice for someone who mostly uses their PC as office PC and playing some 2D indie games
Please don't turn into the new ETA Prime you are better then that I have watched you for several months and don't go in that route
Please 🙏 I also don't want another eta prime 😢
What's wrong with that?
What's wrong with ETA prime ? His benchmarks are suuuuuper annoying though, he somehow seems to find the most impractical scenarios to benchmark that 99% of the users can't relate with.
@@shafin3520
have 0.00001% Performance Gain than predecessor
ETA Prime: the most powerful Mini PC yet
@@GewelReal ETA Prime has a nasty habit of putting out 'reviews' that are effectively an extension of the OEMs marketing arm.
See the EM680 - their review had different tests in it to their normal, and appeared to be running custom BIOS settings that others couldn't replicate in the real world. That system had a BIOS bug that prevented the APU from using 30w, but max'd out at 15w, instead of 15w cpu/gpu each. They didn't mention that compared to other 6800U devices they'd used, it was massively slower.
The BIOS has been updated and fixed now, but that wasn't until *months* after that review.
Not to be trusted, in the slightest.
Please ignore the people worried about you turning into a shill. I doubt they worry enough to back you financially, and I love the mini-pc reviews. Keep up the great work and thanks for this one.
Oooo! I can't wait for the Strix Point mini-PCs! I'm biting my nails...
Last child of Zen 4 before Zen 5 unfurls all over us.
Less than one month till Computex!
Also just a detail but from what I've seen 8000 series looks like the same specs but has had interesting power tweaks and generally performs quite a lot better in lower power machines.
He doesn't know about escher coming out in 2025
Waiting for the Strix Point announcement to slurp up a Ryzen 5 7640HS mini-PC for very cheap. Especially if I find a mini PC with a Phoenix engineering sample, which is an even better deal than an average barebones system
your new intro is pretty cool
I like how you actually drove a real race along the benchmark route in Forza Horizon 5.
These small PCs sadly, will be a ultra niche product that few will buy.
Uuumm, I have 3 of these running different python data structures continously on each. They save space are actually pretty damn fast. I upgraded each one to 64gb of ram and a 2tb m.2. So I guess there are uses for it...
@@Manicmick3069 I said it will be an ultra niche product. There are use cases for them, just not for general consumer for that price
FG shouldn't really be used if you have under 60fps without it, that's why it probably won't look good in most games
Crazy idea but NPU can be used to make AI in games better. Ultimately creating a game with *real* difficulty options as the AI learns from its mistake and git gud at trying to defeat you, no need to play sweaty Call of Duty with spicy chats, just do it with the NPU AI in single player game.
It would need to be an entire new mode though that is hard to code and get right, and not many players will even be able to comfortably play it. Classic AI in games is stupidly hard to do, I don't think really adaptive AI will come out any time soon
Great idea tho
I have 3 of these running different python data structures continously on each. They save space are actually pretty damn fast. I upgraded each one to 64gb of ram and a 2tb m.2. So I guess there are uses for it...
GMKTEC still sell the 7840 for about 10 quid less than this one. I'd spend the extra simply to get the hidden improvements you might (only might) get with a new model e.g. USB C PD should work better (improves slightly with each gen) and they might improve the cooling a bit. You don't get any BIOS upgrades with this type of product, so this type of replacement chip, as opposed to an upgrade, might benefit from that as well.
Good review!
You really showed your true colors today when you refused to pay that $5000 license to test this one random chip that I've never heard of nor care about.
I love that AMD is out-NUCing the NUC concept.
500$??? That's a super good deal!
Say might you be willing to Benchmark Mechwarrior 5? It’s very CPU bound, I am curious how APU’s handle it.
Good review man.
Any idea if these mini PCs can handle larger than 2TB SSDs and more than 32GB of RAM?
I love a bit of carry on
Technically, AMD does have CPUs with Big.Little(or P & E Cores)
"Phoenix2" CPUs like the 7645U and 7440U(also 8500G & 8300G on desktop) have Zen4 and Zen4c cores in the same CPU
To be fair I would argue that AMDs driver level frame generation works best if you have a 165Hz+ monitor and is able to strike a framerate of around 80fps. I use it for cyberpunk at 1440p native. and it comfortably gets the game into the 120-170fps range... Still waiting for FSR 3.1 in Cyberpunk, will it ever release?
Come on, it’s from aliexpress and way cheaper.. $450 without ram/ssd, $550 32gb 1tb
I dont know about the benchmark you are talking about for SDNext, but if you just installed stable diffusion with either Automatic1111 on nvidia or ishggytigy's version on amd, you could just test the itterations per second.
14:05 YEAH... A LOT IN FACT😢
CAWK POINT (had to do it).
Regarding the errors in setting up SD.Next, I can maybe fix them if you tell me what they are.
Meh, it's not that big of a deal really, I just had to explain why I wasn't able to test the one thing that is claimed to be different over the 7840HS!
Hey iSperg, you're devolving into an ad channel like ETA Prime.
But thanks to ETA Prime I now know that there are only a handful of proper mini PC manufacturers that are worth buying products from, ETA Prime is actually a good channel.
If you think that every video he makes on any product is his personal endorsement, you're very wrong - don't project your consumerist mentality onto a channel that just posts benchmarks of various computers. Both Iceberg Tech and ETA Prime are exactly that, and not ad channels. Don't watch the telly
No PS5?
etaprime give account back to iceberg tech
Hey Iceberg, your videos are great but these mini pc videos are getting kinda stale; please review other hardware :(
o/
Ah yes another "new" CPU from AMD in another mini-PC.
What do you mean "new"
CPU refresh of the 7840HS basically, AMD and intel this year especially are doing a lot of CPU refreshes.
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Wtf is wrong with thise budget mini PCs still having 2 lan ports. Such a waste of IO space
What on earth are these "next ETA Prime" people going on about, what's even the issue with this video?
An endless barrage of boring cookie cutter mini PC content
ETA Prime is a YTChannel and a lot of his videos are criticized for not being sufficiently credible and that he's more of a showcase for vendors. There's a fair amount of hate on the guy but if you know that fact when you're watching his videos (he doesn't offer a lot of negatives or criticisms), then you're left with an enjoyable showcase and that's fine too. As for the miniPCs, what's humorous is that when they really started to hit the mainstream a couple of years ago, they were great for emulation and retro gaming and general PC productivity. You could hook these up fairly easy to a TV and have a lot of power for some fun older games. Then, as the miniPCs have become more and more powerful on the graphics side, they're expected to be far more impressive for gaming than they really have the ability to be. Can you play a AAA game on one? Yes. Should you? Well, that's always in the eye of the beholder, but I'd probably pass.
EDIT: This video makes it pretty clear that there's not much benefit on this newer generation of mobile processors from AMD, so I don't think Iceberg Tech deserves any comparison to ETA Prime. That said, I actually bought a K8 and just received it but haven't set it up yet. I'm curious to see what the BIOS updates from last month do to the device to reduce fan noise and there's some other videos that state that they got better results from using the silent performance mode in the BIOS (which is obviously counter-intuitive). So there's more to dig into this hardware than was presented. But again, comparing this to ETA Prime content is excessive. I thought this video was good.
People are not very bright. This I tech content. He's reviewing tech. Not like 90% of you are going to buy any of this stuff anyways.
@@bumbaclot813 almost his new videos are mini pc tho
Why 1080p medium instead of 1080p low in starfield my man? It seems an odd choice given what the target for these APUs are?
I think this review could be condensed into a youtube short considering there's not much to cover here
facts
Why is it always something I don't use (mini pc)? So many new videos I don't interested like before
FYI HDMI should die.
When your standard, no longer has a well defined spec, instead a mish mash of optional features, you no longer have a standard.
Great review
Is there an actual reason besides cherry picking you left out the ultra 7?
My first Ultra 7 PC review is coming in a couple of days.
(Pff, “cherry picking”)