@@berthysita4473 I get what you're saying, BUT I REALLY don't want that life for Michael and Willow and Wiley. IT'S DEFINITELY NOT IN WILLOW!!!!! BOTH Elizabeth and Sam after having kids, realized they DIDN'T WANT that kind of life for their kids. AGAIN....it was Jason who was ALWAYS more of the target and I don't know how Sonny will not REALLY BREAK at some point. Though the man CONSTANTLY MAKES EXCUSES FOR NINA, DON'T GET WRONG, IS UTTERLY MADDENING!!!!! You tell yourself it's show, BUT let's face it, you get invested. AND I struggle WAY MORE WITH what NINA DID TO SONNY'S YOUNGEST DAUGHTERS!!!!!! I'm surprised that Ava isn't MORE ANGRY at NINA!!!!! Her vendetta against Carly, is more important than what Nina put Avery through!!! As a woman, with very maternal instincts, I don't know you could get past that. HURTING innocent children and NOT GETTING THAT, I'm quoting taking the liberty from another show. "....is a special kind of sick!!!!!!" If I was Michael and Willow's lawyer, I'd first start with what Nina did to Avery, and Donna. Then tell me, you are so fit to be a grandmother to Wiley?!?!? Forgiveness is not the same as reconciliation. Without true remorse, and owning what you did, reconciliation is impossible!!!!!! "TRUTH before RECONCILIATION." I HAD shared that quote from a friend. It was in the context of how many aboriginal children who were taken from their homes and sent to Residential Schools. The death toll has kept rising.
Has anyone forgotten how Carly wanted so badly to fall for Jason and have a... . Real marriage...tell me how someone would handle THAT....and now everyone has Sonny as a perp....still love Carly but sonnys not wrong
"My family comes first." - BS. (Brit managed to call Nina on her BS!!!!). Not sure she really has taken it to heart!!!!). BUT...Brit felt BECAUSE they were family, she was justified to CALL OUT, BS to Nina when that's what she BLATANTLY HEARD!!!!!! HOW SONNY CAN'T SEE, HOW HE CONSISTENTLY HAS PUTS NINA FIRST IS PATHETIC and BEYOND ME!!!! Someone else said on a different day, that 'They hated this version of Sonny?!?!"" HE HASN'T RESPECTED nor LISTENED TO CARLY, nor ANY OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS, ANY OF HIS ADULT CHILDREN!!!!! AND to still proclaim that HE STILL PUTS HIS FAMILY FIRST IS TOTAL BS and DELUSIONAL!!!!!! AND thinks he's STILL SOME PATRIARCHICHAL HEAD of the family is laughable. GOOD FOR MICHAEL!!!!! (It was interesting that Diane compared Michael more to Jason than to Sonny!!!!).
Truth. If he really cared he would have already known about all of this. The old sonny used to know everything and not have to be told after it already happened. His connections would keep him in the loop about his family and he would have taken matters into his own hands. He is too preoccupied with Nina to worry about anyone else. The fact that he didn’t even know what was going on with josslyn says a lot. He used to always have guards or some type of protection for her and treated her like his own. All of his time and attention seems to still be on Nina. He needs to get his priorities straight. Carly or no Carly. Your kids come first. I totally agree with Michael.
@@cprado225 AND think of Avery and Donna who were so young and lost time with their Dad. Carly did try to not up end their lives. How Nina or Sonny can justify that Sonny kept 2 little girls from their Dad thinking he was dead and never coming back is beyond cruel!!!! I am actually speechless that she traumatized especially Avery. It's diabolical. It's almost worse, because Nina is like a sheep in wolf's clothing. Avery is young but old enough to understand at some degree death due to the death of her brother Morgan. AND though Donna wouldn't remember it the same, that is such vulnerable and important stage in a young child's life in bonding with their parents. Carly even said, that when Sonny returned, Avery was very clingy to her Dad. AND so she tried as much as she could to not disrupt their lives.
Sonny and Nina are clueless and have SHOWN ZERO REMORSE, for what THEY BOTH HAVE DONE!!!!!! I don't see why Michael and Willow need to go to and listen to Nina's side AT ALL!!!!!!
Nina is so two-faced. She just presents the information that makes her look good or like the victim. If she thinks that Michael would pull "dirty tricks." with a judge, then why even entertain going to court? Lol. Nina makes no sense. As if she isn't trying to pull dirty tricks. Nina told Ava she can't have it on her conscience for Sonny to go talk to Michael and Willow, but turns around to talk to Willow's mother behind their backs. Would she think what Sonny did to get Brad released was a dirty trick just to keep their secret? She still isn't being completely honest with Phyllis. She's trash. I truly hope Nelle isn't her daughter and she caused this mess for no reason. I would like for Phyllis to talk to Michael and Willow to understand why they don't want Nina around Wiley. It's so one-sided with Nina.
I think when Willow REALLY saw the TRUTH for herself, was. THE BIG TURNING POINT!!!!!! They are ABSOLUTELY UNITED in their stance of vetting who Wiley's sees. Nina is a wolf in sheep clothing. I don't know how else to describe her. THIS WILL NOT END WELL FOR NINA!!!!!!
THANK YOU! Finally someone who sees Nina for the manipulative snake she is!! I was thinking I had gone crazy! So many people try to have her back and I’m just like WTH!
It's kind of funny when Michael was young Sonny didn't want Quartermain be part of Michael's life even after Aj was dead I know they are screwed up but they are his family.
I'm not Taking Sides Guys in my thoughts Michael Is in The wrong cause He Doesn't even Know Nina and What's She caple of Doing either. Sonny and Nina has Been Honset with Phillis about all of This If Michael Know He off go Talk with Phills Himself But No His chosing To Be angery and Blame Nina for everything
Michael has and always been an entitled spoiled brat who thinks he can or will be able to do more than anything Jason and Sonny. Michael has always had other ppl to fall back on after his messes. Sonny was willing to take the fall for Claudia death and even Jason went to prison to be his bodyguard.
AH...Michael was put into a coma b/c he was shot in the head by Claudia who hired a hit man to shoot Sonny. If Michael didn't do what he did, Josslyn would've been gone and kidnapped by Claudia!!!!! Even Jason later regretted how they handled that situation with Michael. It was Sonny and Jason who did it by their methods!!!!! Michael only got as much time as he did BECAUSE of what they ALL did to cover up what Michael did otherwise would've probably been a case of defense of some kind. He was defending both his mother who'd just given birth and taken hostage by Claudia and Carly's pregnancy was a high-risk pregnancy!!!!!! Sonny was NO HERO in that story, I'M SORRY!!!!! GO BACK and WATCH HOW BADLY SONNY HUMILIATED and ATTACKED CLAUDIA with words NOT thinking that maybe HIS WORDS and ANGER would push Claudia over the edge, which it did!!!!! AND before that, Jason and Sam DID EVERYTHING TO GET EVIDENCE that Claudia was behind Michael being shot and put into a coma, that it was predicted he would never come out of. Sonny KEPT ON REFUSING to believe that Claudia had ANYTHING to do with Michael get shot. Alexis HAD to tell Sonny many times, that Sonny's ANGER scared Kristina!!!!! AND as a child was kidnapped by AJ but AJ was presumed dead and hired a woman, who was one of Sonny's and Jason's enemies. A.J. purposely had Kristina kidnapped first. Then Michael was kidnapped, and they knew Michael would do what he needed to do to keep his little sister safe. It was all a ruse, and this woman pretended and made them all believe b/c of AJ that Michael fought back and therefore was shot and killed. An image was sent to them, to confirm that Michael was dead. AND then for months A.J gave him "letters that supposedly were from Sonny and Carly, saying that they didn't want him anymore." A.J. also had voicemails put together saying the same thing. HE DID PROTECT HIS LITTLE SISTER, and Kristina was released. BUT...months later when they realized that Michael was still alive, after finally getting him home, Michael was still a kid and in an catatonic state!!!!!!
Omg!!! I love this version of Michael! Yes tell him off, you didn’t put your family first at all since you been back!
Yes me too! I want him to take over Sonny territory... can't stand this weak Sonny
I love pissed off Michael
@@berthysita4473 I get what you're saying, BUT I REALLY don't want that life for Michael and Willow and Wiley. IT'S DEFINITELY NOT IN WILLOW!!!!!
BOTH Elizabeth and Sam after having kids, realized they DIDN'T WANT that kind of life for their kids. AGAIN....it was Jason who was ALWAYS more of the target and I don't know how Sonny will not REALLY BREAK at some point. Though the man CONSTANTLY MAKES EXCUSES FOR NINA, DON'T GET WRONG, IS UTTERLY MADDENING!!!!!
You tell yourself it's show, BUT let's face it, you get invested. AND I struggle WAY MORE WITH what NINA DID TO SONNY'S YOUNGEST DAUGHTERS!!!!!! I'm surprised that Ava isn't MORE ANGRY at NINA!!!!! Her vendetta against Carly, is more important than what Nina put Avery through!!! As a woman, with very maternal instincts, I don't know you could get past that. HURTING innocent children and NOT GETTING THAT, I'm quoting taking the liberty from another show. "....is a special kind of sick!!!!!!" If I was Michael and Willow's lawyer, I'd first start with what Nina did to Avery, and Donna. Then tell me, you are so fit to be a grandmother to Wiley?!?!?
Forgiveness is not the same as reconciliation. Without true remorse, and owning what you did, reconciliation is impossible!!!!!! "TRUTH before RECONCILIATION." I HAD shared that quote from a friend. It was in the context of how many aboriginal children who were taken from their homes and sent to Residential Schools. The death toll has kept rising.
Has anyone forgotten how Carly wanted so badly to fall for Jason and have a... . Real marriage...tell me how someone would handle THAT....and now everyone has Sonny as a perp....still love Carly but sonnys not wrong
I love this side of Michael and I agree with him about sonny choosing nina over his family
Can they stop using Phyllis as Nina's crying shoulder? Like give her own storyline she's a decent enough actress
That's why she was brought on unfortunately. The only other option is to put her in the Ashford universe.
"My family comes first." - BS. (Brit managed to call Nina on her BS!!!!). Not sure she really has taken it to heart!!!!). BUT...Brit felt BECAUSE they were family, she was justified to CALL OUT, BS to Nina when that's what she BLATANTLY HEARD!!!!!!
HOW SONNY CAN'T SEE, HOW HE CONSISTENTLY HAS PUTS NINA FIRST IS PATHETIC and BEYOND ME!!!! Someone else said on a different day, that 'They hated this version of Sonny?!?!"" HE HASN'T RESPECTED nor LISTENED TO CARLY, nor ANY OF HIS FAMILY MEMBERS, ANY OF HIS ADULT CHILDREN!!!!! AND to still proclaim that HE STILL PUTS HIS FAMILY FIRST IS TOTAL BS and DELUSIONAL!!!!!! AND thinks he's STILL SOME PATRIARCHICHAL HEAD of the family is laughable. GOOD FOR MICHAEL!!!!! (It was interesting that Diane compared Michael more to Jason than to Sonny!!!!).
Truth. If he really cared he would have already known about all of this. The old sonny used to know everything and not have to be told after it already happened. His connections would keep him in the loop about his family and he would have taken matters into his own hands. He is too preoccupied with Nina to worry about anyone else. The fact that he didn’t even know what was going on with josslyn says a lot. He used to always have guards or some type of protection for her and treated her like his own. All of his time and attention seems to still be on Nina. He needs to get his priorities straight. Carly or no Carly. Your kids come first. I totally agree with Michael.
@@cprado225 AND think of Avery and Donna who were so young and lost time with their Dad. Carly did try to not up end their lives. How Nina or Sonny can justify that Sonny kept 2 little girls from their Dad thinking he was dead and never coming back is beyond cruel!!!! I am actually speechless that she traumatized especially Avery. It's diabolical. It's almost worse, because Nina is like a sheep in wolf's clothing. Avery is young but old enough to understand at some degree death due to the death of her brother Morgan. AND though Donna wouldn't remember it the same, that is such vulnerable and important stage in a young child's life in bonding with their parents. Carly even said, that when Sonny returned, Avery was very clingy to her Dad. AND so she tried as much as she could to not disrupt their lives.
Michael has completely cut him self off from Sonny
Can you blame him? Sonny seriously chose Nasty Nina over his own family
@@patrickacosta7031 No I can't but it's still sad
And you know how Michael gets; i.e. A. J. He'll be serious. Michael's is really hurt over this.
Micheal has that right to do that
@@traciking2381 I don't blame him at all
Sonny and Nina are clueless and have SHOWN ZERO REMORSE, for what THEY BOTH HAVE DONE!!!!!! I don't see why Michael and Willow need to go to and listen to Nina's side AT ALL!!!!!!
Nina is so two-faced. She just presents the information that makes her look good or like the victim. If she thinks that Michael would pull "dirty tricks." with a judge, then why even entertain going to court? Lol. Nina makes no sense. As if she isn't trying to pull dirty tricks. Nina told Ava she can't have it on her conscience for Sonny to go talk to Michael and Willow, but turns around to talk to Willow's mother behind their backs. Would she think what Sonny did to get Brad released was a dirty trick just to keep their secret? She still isn't being completely honest with Phyllis. She's trash. I truly hope Nelle isn't her daughter and she caused this mess for no reason. I would like for Phyllis to talk to Michael and Willow to understand why they don't want Nina around Wiley. It's so one-sided with Nina.
I think when Willow REALLY saw the TRUTH for herself, was. THE BIG TURNING POINT!!!!!! They are ABSOLUTELY UNITED in their stance of vetting who Wiley's sees. Nina is a wolf in sheep clothing. I don't know how else to describe her. THIS WILL NOT END WELL FOR NINA!!!!!!
THANK YOU! Finally someone who sees Nina for the manipulative snake she is!! I was thinking I had gone crazy! So many people try to have her back and I’m just like WTH!
It's kind of funny when Michael was young Sonny didn't want Quartermain be part of Michael's life even after Aj was dead I know they are screwed up but they are his family.
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I'm not Taking Sides Guys in my thoughts Michael Is in The wrong cause He Doesn't even Know Nina and What's She caple of Doing either. Sonny and Nina has Been Honset with Phillis about all of This If Michael Know He off go Talk with Phills Himself But No His chosing To Be angery and Blame Nina for everything
Michael has and always been an entitled spoiled brat who thinks he can or will be able to do more than anything Jason and Sonny. Michael has always had other ppl to fall back on after his messes. Sonny was willing to take the fall for Claudia death and even Jason went to prison to be his bodyguard.
AH...Michael was put into a coma b/c he was shot in the head by Claudia who hired a hit man to shoot Sonny. If Michael didn't do what he did, Josslyn would've been gone and kidnapped by Claudia!!!!! Even Jason later regretted how they handled that situation with Michael. It was Sonny and Jason who did it by their methods!!!!! Michael only got as much time as he did BECAUSE of what they ALL did to cover up what Michael did otherwise would've probably been a case of defense of some kind. He was defending both his mother who'd just given birth and taken hostage by Claudia and Carly's pregnancy was a high-risk pregnancy!!!!!!
Sonny was NO HERO in that story, I'M SORRY!!!!! GO BACK and WATCH HOW BADLY SONNY HUMILIATED and ATTACKED CLAUDIA with words NOT thinking that maybe HIS WORDS and ANGER would push Claudia over the edge, which it did!!!!! AND before that, Jason and Sam DID EVERYTHING TO GET EVIDENCE that Claudia was behind Michael being shot and put into a coma, that it was predicted he would never come out of.
Sonny KEPT ON REFUSING to believe that Claudia had ANYTHING to do with Michael get shot.
Alexis HAD to tell Sonny many times, that Sonny's ANGER scared Kristina!!!!! AND as a child was kidnapped by AJ but AJ was presumed dead and hired a woman, who was one of Sonny's and Jason's enemies. A.J. purposely had Kristina kidnapped first. Then Michael was kidnapped, and they knew Michael would do what he needed to do to keep his little sister safe. It was all a ruse, and this woman pretended and made them all believe b/c of AJ that Michael fought back and therefore was shot and killed. An image was sent to them, to confirm that Michael was dead. AND then for months A.J gave him "letters that supposedly were from Sonny and Carly, saying that they didn't want him anymore." A.J. also had voicemails put together saying the same thing. HE DID PROTECT HIS LITTLE SISTER, and Kristina was released. BUT...months later when they realized that Michael was still alive, after finally getting him home, Michael was still a kid and in an catatonic state!!!!!!