The strategy i always use to beat long pips is 3rd ball attack : 1. Serve backspin, 2. The ball will return in "a bit floaty" topspin 3. Smash it For no 2, it is crucial to know how "floaty" the ball is. This need some adjustments to your bat angle before smashing.
That is indeed the basic tactic. I would add that it's best to serve long into the pips, so that the ball returns long too. Short serves will result in an easy short topspin return which you'll need to attack over the table. And the 3rd ball attack is best aimed at the elbow. The pips player knows the tactic too:) When the tactic becomes too predictable, there are a few variations: 1. vary placement: into the pips, into the middle, somewhat outside the pips 2. short serve to the forehand for surprise 3. long topspin serve, return=backspin, 3rd ball deep backspin, 4th comes back with topspin, 5th ball attack Being too predictable will allow the pips player to choose where to plant the return and also be ready to block the attack.
This is a good tatic, but as a long pips twiddle player I love the fun of when someone is trying to get a lower spin ball into my pips and I'm trying to guess when so I can spin the bat around and loop first :)
Imporant to point out there are multiple types of long pips, the ball does not always "reverse" depending on the long pips used, the thickness of the sponge, friction of the pips, density of the pips, and stiffness of the pips all play a part in the resulting behaviour.
There's indeed subtle variations but in general it helps thinking about "spin reversal" to counter your muscle memory against regular rubbers. Then as the game proceeds, you can build confidence in how to play against these specific pips.
One tip I like to throw out is take notice if the player ever twiddles. If they don't, which is common (lets say it's always LPs on the backhand), then you can rest assured that your FH loop going to their backhand just has to get in. You don't have to kill it on your loop. It's okay to have a nice & safe, maybe even higher arching loop to the backhand. Wait for the chop that's higher bouncing or maybe short on the table. Then that's the one to loop more straight or with more power to put away the point. There is no worry that if your soft loop as I like to call it will get smashed back at you since the LPs can't attack vs your topspin. So you can take your time. You'll actually see a lot of pros do this vs choppers. It's soft loop, soft loop, just waiting for a higher ball or mistake from the chopper, then kill it. On a side note, who is the girl practicing here? She's really good in this drill. I'm a left penholder myself and I always like to youtube & watch matches from other lefty penholders to see if there are tips from their game I can pick up. If anyone knows, much appreciated. Thanks.
to play against a short pips player, just play normally for the most part, but do not give any high balls because short pips can smash hard. Don't try to push too much with against them because it is relatively easy to smash unless your pushes are extremely close to the net level. So in general, play normally, but very low, and avoid backspin push rally. It may also be advisable to avoid their short pips side so you can play normally and comfortably on their inverted side as you would any other player.
ONE MORE TIP: When the opponent does a backspin serve with the long pimps..it will generally come as topspin to you..and vice versa. This is true also when the opponent plays a normal topspin shot in a rally..it will come to you as backspin..remember this. If this helps you, like my comment, so I know it worked for you!
Not true. Pips reverse the incoming spin. A serve with pips has usually no or very little spin, resulting in a floating ball or very light topspin (magnus effect). Same in rallies: the pips player's action doesn't really matter. It's your own spin that matters.
I get what you mean. I have only been playing at club level for 6 months now and my 2 matches tonight both had long pips on one side. It was so frustrating
The strategy i always use to beat long pips is 3rd ball attack :
1. Serve backspin,
2. The ball will return in "a bit floaty" topspin
3. Smash it
For no 2, it is crucial to know how "floaty" the ball is. This need some adjustments to your bat angle before smashing.
That is indeed the basic tactic. I would add that it's best to serve long into the pips, so that the ball returns long too. Short serves will result in an easy short topspin return which you'll need to attack over the table. And the 3rd ball attack is best aimed at the elbow. The pips player knows the tactic too:)
When the tactic becomes too predictable, there are a few variations:
1. vary placement: into the pips, into the middle, somewhat outside the pips
2. short serve to the forehand for surprise
3. long topspin serve, return=backspin, 3rd ball deep backspin, 4th comes back with topspin, 5th ball attack
Being too predictable will allow the pips player to choose where to plant the return and also be ready to block the attack.
This is a good tatic, but as a long pips twiddle player I love the fun of when someone is trying to get a lower spin ball into my pips and I'm trying to guess when so I can spin the bat around and loop first :)
This video was helpful and did smash the like button.
Imporant to point out there are multiple types of long pips, the ball does not always "reverse" depending on the long pips used, the thickness of the sponge, friction of the pips, density of the pips, and stiffness of the pips all play a part in the resulting behaviour.
Some LP return a flat ball after you give them a push, some even a little underspin. For example, Hellfire X rarely return topspin.
There's indeed subtle variations but in general it helps thinking about "spin reversal" to counter your muscle memory against regular rubbers. Then as the game proceeds, you can build confidence in how to play against these specific pips.
One tip I like to throw out is take notice if the player ever twiddles. If they don't, which is common (lets say it's always LPs on the backhand), then you can rest assured that your FH loop going to their backhand just has to get in. You don't have to kill it on your loop. It's okay to have a nice & safe, maybe even higher arching loop to the backhand. Wait for the chop that's higher bouncing or maybe short on the table. Then that's the one to loop more straight or with more power to put away the point. There is no worry that if your soft loop as I like to call it will get smashed back at you since the LPs can't attack vs your topspin. So you can take your time. You'll actually see a lot of pros do this vs choppers. It's soft loop, soft loop, just waiting for a higher ball or mistake from the chopper, then kill it.
On a side note, who is the girl practicing here? She's really good in this drill. I'm a left penholder myself and I always like to youtube & watch matches from other lefty penholders to see if there are tips from their game I can pick up. If anyone knows, much appreciated. Thanks.
The girl practicing here is 邹阳 Zou Yang. She has a background in the Chinese National Team.
This is soooo good, thank you so much!! I don’t know anyone who plays with long pips so it’s hard to find someone to practice against
Glad it was helpful!
Fantastic explaination
There is a guy at my club who plays with long pips. Somewhen he pushes the ball snakes side to side. Nasty!
Can you please make a video on how to play against short pips player
It's a lot easier, as there is no spin reversal.
to play against a short pips player, just play normally for the most part, but do not give any high balls because short pips can smash hard. Don't try to push too much with against them because it is relatively easy to smash unless your pushes are extremely close to the net level. So in general, play normally, but very low, and avoid backspin push rally. It may also be advisable to avoid their short pips side so you can play normally and comfortably on their inverted side as you would any other player.
Sure!
how to play medium pips with thin sponge
how to play against
I wonder how would a long pimples vs short pimples game be
SP are less sensitive to spin so it is an "instant remedy" for LP.
ONE MORE TIP:
When the opponent does a backspin serve with the long pimps..it will generally come as topspin to you..and vice versa.
This is true also when the opponent plays a normal topspin shot in a rally..it will come to you as backspin..remember this.
If this helps you, like my comment, so I know it worked for you!
Not true. Pips reverse the incoming spin. A serve with pips has usually no or very little spin, resulting in a floating ball or very light topspin (magnus effect).
Same in rallies: the pips player's action doesn't really matter. It's your own spin that matters.
Why is this even legal - does any other sport allow this ridiculous double standard on their equipment - it super annoying to play against
I like it, it keeps TT from suffering from over refinement
I get what you mean. I have only been playing at club level for 6 months now and my 2 matches tonight both had long pips on one side. It was so frustrating
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This video is for people like you. Did you pay attention while you watched?
@@girish325 no I didn't watch I just commented ?!
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