UPDATE: This is how the railroad reported this accident to the Federal Railroad Administration - TRAIN 371G103 TRAVELING SOUTH THROUGH THE 1-2 THOROUGHFARE CROSSOVER WHEN THE ELECTRIC SWITCH CROSSOVER WAS OPERATED UNDER THEIR MOVEMENT, DERAILING ALL WHEELS ON LEAD ENGINES KCS 4841 AND THE #1 WHEEL SET ON NS 9683.
I just reported a tree down across the tracks near the crossing by my house and Norfolk Southern was on it pronto. Great channel and great reporting!!!!
I have to say.. I absolutely love your channel. It's probably among the top of informative, underrated and interesting that I've ever watched. Absolutely fascinating stuff you post. I'm a former Railroader myself, but a lifetime and, still railfan. Keep up the fantastic work. I'm going to p.m. you about a small sustaining donation.
I worked for them back about 1998 on MOW equipment . Heard that that crew would be about 2500 an hour if there track loader was brought out to assist with the 2 booms
Great video and tutorial V12 of the derailment. RJ CORMANS team are an AMAZING bunch of people that know what they're doing when it comes to railroads!
I work for NS in Kentucky, near Cormans main hub. When ever we have a derailment, RJ Corman are the first people that get called. I would say the derailment was caused by either a miss aligned switch, or was heat related
Another nice catch to share with us. It helps to have superior video equipment, a qualified cameraman as well as well-informed narration to make a video as good as this.
You continue to provide the best vids with excellent videography, facts, clear voice, etc. No surprise that the tracks fail or switch points due to 200 ton engines like this one and the rest of the consist pounding the rails 24/7. Just a matter of time... Cheers, Bob
Rick Corman started am awesome company and it looks like the kids are carrying on Rick's vision. If you haven't seen it look for the RJ Corman story, it's the one with Rick's picture as the thumbnail. It shows why the RJ Corman Team is so good at what they do and just what goes into the job of re-railing railroad equipment. Too bad Rick had to go so soon. RIP to a good man.
I was going to say it looked like the derailment you covered last year I thought it was the same location but wasn’t sure. Great video great information.
A split switch will more than likely be the cause. That particular switch is radio controlled and has a push button hand pump backup. We use that type switch in stockton and Oakland California.
I was on jr Corman for a year on the derailment side out of olive branch ms. We were on call 24 7. If a call came in we had to be on the road heading out within an hour. Which means your never more than 45 mins or so from your office. But it was a hell of a job had fun but it was dangerous.
My first time in watching your video. I'm truly impressed by your work, and the hard and dangerous work the rail hands in moving such Tonage. Especially in the fast forward mode. So I just Subcribed to your channel. I truly enjoyed. As a matter of a fact. My Grandpa worked on a track repair. Up in Iowa many many years ago. We were going to visit him and Grandma, from Oklahoma. In perfect timing. It was time for his shift to be over. He started walking down the embankment. With his lunch pale in hand. Then we took him home to Moulton, Iowa. A very fond memory. Indeed !!!
I worked for caterpillar in Atlanta from 1981 till 2010 in the repair shop and when one of Coreman’s tractors came in for repair or service , everything stoped in the shop until that machine was repaired and on the lowboy ……..
You are correct in your assumption of being on call 24/7for wrecks.i work for a company called Winters Rigging out of western NY. And it is definitely a dangerous job.but it pays good
Great coverage . I am amazed that they move these goliaths as if they're toys. But you can tell anything can go wrong. Dangerous work but it's got to be rewarding.
Back in the day, all railroads had to maintain wreck crews, along with massive derricks to clean up a wreck. Those men had to be paid, of course, and money spent to buy the heavy machines needed to rerail locomotives and cars. At some point, the smaller roads decided it would be cheaper to pay someone else to handle wrecks instead of having full-time crews to handle a once-in-a-while event. That's what indirectly lead to the formation of RJ Corman. Since outfits such as Corman specialize in wreck cleanups, they've developed and refined their techniques to a high level. Whatever they charge is a good deal compared to the costs to the railroad to deploy their own wreckers. Plus there's the savings of not having the track tied up for several days while cleanup is going on.
Considering that they didn't move the NS unit at the same time as the third one probably meant it too was derailed. My guess would be that the derailment was caused from picking a switch.
By the looks of it, no one got hurt, the train was in motion very, very, slowly, while switchn to the next track, had it been going faster (all the engines) and a few cars would of derailed, great VIDEO, thanks for sharing this with me, 👌👍
I have a question. I saw a switcher serviced on a siding a few years back where they simply lifted the nose and drove the trucks out from under the chassis using power jumped to it from a mobile generator. Since then, I always thought bogies and trucks floated on a big pin that sticks down from the chassis. But now I see them lifting this engine and the bogies stick to the chassis. Is there always some sort of locking mechanism that locks the drive trucks to the chassis pin? Or did they have to add a tool to do this lift?
Well I just got on with BNSF as a conductor and we’ve been training for the past few weeks and one thing that we make sure is that when switching like that make sure it’s flush and nothing is in between the two rails or what you’ll have is on half going down one track and the front going down another. This is what I’m seeing signs of
If that was in Britain they would have only have just started the health and safety meeting in an hour the whole yard would have been shut down for days after about 2 days they might have started sorting it out. .
It looks that at 5:20 the left track has the switch going to the other track; while that right track the switch is not lined good to receive that locomotive. I believe that the front locomotive passed the switch (lined straight on) and than for what reason was changed to the other track while the locomotive was above it.
Here's my update on the derailment and its the same as yours with lowercase letters: Train 371G103 traveling south through the 1-2 thoroughfare crossover when the electric switch crossover was operated under their movement at the g scale New River Gorge National Park and Preserve in Fayetteville West Virginia not far from Ansted where my uncle Greg lives derailing all wheels on lead engine KCS #4841 and the number 1 wheelset on NS #9683.
D8 Pipe boom? They normally travel in packs of say ten. The section of pipe line is welded next to the trench and the pipe booms all lift and place it in the trench at the same time. The modification looks to be rubber pad tracks instead of the single grouser track pads. Nice vid. :o)
From the way 4841 was positioned after the derailment, it looks like the front truck tried to go straight while the rear truck tried to traverse the switch but pulled the front truck off the rails. It’s a known cause of derailment nationwide where the trucks of a diesel engine jump the trucks from improper switch work. Just saying it looks like that from how the engine is derailed, but it could be something else. Great report on the incident regardless.
The track is buckled because of the derailment, not the cause of it. Likely the plow caught the rail when it derailed and pushed it into a bent shape. The engine probably picked a switch point or the switch could have previously been run through.
Fantastic footage and great pics on your Flickr. Did you film this with a DSLR? I wonder if the locomotive has derailed because of a defective switch or frog as you call them in USA.
Nice camera work…. when I worked for CSX my engineer put two engines on the ground at a Derail in the yard…. I was not happy but it wasn’t my fight and I didn’t get into trouble for this situation…! Of course the engineer got 30 days on the street and enjoyed two consecutive weeks at Disney like he wanted….. I was never taught this method of problem solving between trainmen and trainmasters at the CSX Redi Center…. wonder why?
Yes on call 24/7/365, When you work for a derailment service (like R.J. Corman), We were/or want to be on the road to the derailment, from 1 hour the time we the got the service interruption call. Gotta love rolling down the road "wide load" and all at 3am!! I do miss " train wreckn".
Usually if we talk about "hooking" or "lacing" it refers to connecting the MU cable and air hoses between equipment, rather than just coupling. The way I heard it in this video, it sounded like he was talking about hooking the sidebooms into the locomotive's lift points, rather than coupling them together, which would be perfectly fine usage of the wood hooking, as it is literally what is happening.
The wooden blocks under the Cat's outriggers spread the load so they won't sink into the ballast. Pretty obvious the lead loco split the switch. Something wrong with the leading facing points.
UPDATE: This is how the railroad reported this accident to the Federal Railroad Administration - TRAIN 371G103 TRAVELING SOUTH THROUGH THE 1-2 THOROUGHFARE CROSSOVER WHEN THE ELECTRIC SWITCH CROSSOVER WAS OPERATED UNDER THEIR MOVEMENT, DERAILING ALL WHEELS ON LEAD ENGINES KCS 4841 AND THE #1 WHEEL SET ON NS 9683.
From the sound of that, someone messed up. Who would have been operating that switch?
I just reported a tree down across the tracks near the crossing by my house and Norfolk Southern was on it pronto. Great channel and great reporting!!!!
That track sure is twisted
I told my grandson not to throw that banana peel out the window on the tracks and now look what happened..
@Tyler Durden it caught the crossover and tried to take two different tracks at the same time. thats why the outside rail is all bent to fuck.
@@thekingsilverado8419 haha 🤣🤣
@@DieselRamcharger yo what did you say
@@franciscoayala1996 words.
Great Video. i have worked for RJ Corman. And I ran one of the Sidebooms on wrecks. And yes when you work for RJ, you are on call 24-7.
Thanks for sharing and watching!
Wood blocks help protect the rail, weights are on the side of the tractor, not the back.
I have to say.. I absolutely love your channel. It's probably among the top of informative, underrated and interesting that I've ever watched. Absolutely fascinating stuff you post. I'm a former Railroader myself, but a lifetime and, still railfan. Keep up the fantastic work. I'm going to p.m. you about a small sustaining donation.
I really appreciate that, thank you!
I truly agree.
Outstanding video showing very detailed re railing process. 👍
Looks like the lead unit just picked a point, happens a lot. Thanks much!
Excellent work and decisive commentary. I really enjoy your work.
Thank you!
I worked for them back about 1998 on MOW equipment . Heard that that crew would be about 2500 an hour if there track loader was brought out to assist with the 2 booms
Great video and tutorial V12 of the derailment. RJ CORMANS team are an AMAZING bunch of people that know what they're doing when it comes to railroads!
I work for NS in Kentucky, near Cormans main hub. When ever we have a derailment, RJ Corman are the first people that get called. I would say the derailment was caused by either a miss aligned switch, or was heat related
Excellent video. Great videography and good, detailed narration.
Thank you Danny!
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Another nice catch to share with us. It helps to have superior video equipment, a qualified cameraman as well as well-informed narration to make a video as good as this.
Thanks!
You continue to provide the best vids with excellent videography, facts, clear voice, etc.
No surprise that the tracks fail or switch points due to 200 ton engines like this one and the rest of the consist pounding the rails 24/7. Just a matter of time... Cheers, Bob
Thank you!
We had a local derailment and it was impressive watching them clean it up.
Excellent and timely video. Thanks for the great commentary.
Thanks for watching!
Thank you for covering this, love to all
Rick Corman started am awesome company and it looks like the kids are carrying on Rick's vision. If you haven't seen it look for the RJ Corman story, it's the one with Rick's picture as the thumbnail. It shows why the RJ Corman Team is so good at what they do and just what goes into the job of re-railing railroad equipment. Too bad Rick had to go so soon. RIP to a good man.
The documentary was really well done and worth watching.
I was going to say it looked like the derailment you covered last year I thought it was the same location but wasn’t sure. Great video great information.
My grandson did this one. I told him not to throw that banana peel out the window of the truck onto the tracks and now look what happened..
A split switch will more than likely be the cause. That particular switch is radio controlled and has a push button hand pump backup. We use that type switch in stockton and Oakland California.
That would make the most sense, is there a heat kink on the track they don't appear to have been switched to / using?
Great video thank you . Those crews are really good .From the UK .
EXCELLENT coverage! Complete, thorough and clear!
thank you for this video
Thanks for the coverage!!!
I was on jr Corman for a year on the derailment side out of olive branch ms. We were on call 24 7. If a call came in we had to be on the road heading out within an hour. Which means your never more than 45 mins or so from your office. But it was a hell of a job had fun but it was dangerous.
Good description without the ad nauseum speculation and unproven conclusions. Thumbs up
My first time in watching your video. I'm truly impressed by your work, and the hard and dangerous work the rail hands in moving such Tonage. Especially in the fast forward mode. So I just Subcribed to your channel. I truly enjoyed. As a matter of a fact. My Grandpa worked on a track repair. Up in Iowa many many years ago. We were going to visit him and Grandma, from Oklahoma. In perfect timing. It was time for his shift to be over. He started walking down the embankment. With his lunch pale in hand. Then we took him home to Moulton, Iowa. A very fond memory. Indeed !!!
Thanks for sharing and for the kind words!
What a mess! but this site has great person who is giving great information
Excellent video. Really interesting & well done. Thank-you!
Thanks for watching!
RJ Corman makes picking up a locomotive look like a kid picking up a toy! Got to clear the tracks fast! No messing around 👍💪🚂
Great capture. Thanks.
Always great to see wonderful American ingenuity and know-how.
Amazing! Drone camera amazing too! Wow!👍👍😎🇺🇸 Thanks V12
Thanks for watching!
I really love to watch ur timelapse videos those are so facinating
Rerailed that loco in an hour. Crikey, that is fast and efficient. Good job Corman.
Well done commentary and video. Not every day you get to witness a derailing and a rerailing all in one day. Your camera work is excellent!
I really appreciate that, thank you!
Great video and catch.
Wow,only a few hours.....I would have thought it would take a couple of days! Amazing that those small machines can lift that huge Loco.
Вот как надо снимать подобные репортажи. Поздравляю, отличная работа. Скажите, дроном и камерой управлял один человек или двое?
Deadly bro! Great vid!
Very nice video. I like your explanations. They helped. Thanks
Thanks!
R.J Corman the best.Great video.
Really nice to see retail in an hour nice work boys
While I lived in western NC 7-8 years ago, I heard it was in high demand to have railroad repairmen hired. Told major lack of help
Great video!
I worked for caterpillar in Atlanta from 1981 till 2010 in the repair shop and when one of Coreman’s tractors came in for repair or service , everything stoped in the shop until that machine was repaired and on the lowboy ……..
Those tractors make that train look like a toy! Thanks for sharing!
Also did you take the footage from Marietta Street Overpass? Where did you park?
Thanks! Yep, I was on the overpass. I usually just park in the middle of the bridge. There's a shared lane there.
@@v12productions thank you! I come to Atlanta every so often so I'll be sure to remember this.
R.J. Corman on the job. They are the best.
Yeesh, I Wonder how so many yard derailments happen. Also, June 4th is my birthday so this happend on my birthday. Ironic!
Well now, Happy Birthday
Happy Birthday
Happy birthday. I'll send you a dictionary as a present, so you can look up "ironic". 😊😊
You are correct in your assumption of being on call 24/7for wrecks.i work for a company called Winters Rigging out of western NY. And it is definitely a dangerous job.but it pays good
The NS locomotive behind the derailed KCS locomotive was also derailed.
Great coverage . I am amazed that they move these goliaths as if they're toys. But you can tell anything can go wrong. Dangerous work but it's got to be rewarding.
This might be a dum question. But isn't the locomotive just sitting on the trucks or are they attached?
Interesting video thank you for sharing this with us
RJ Corman. This costs the railroads at least 6 figure$ to take care of derailed cars and engines.
Back in the day, all railroads had to maintain wreck crews, along with massive derricks to clean up a wreck. Those men had to be paid, of course, and money spent to buy the heavy machines needed to rerail locomotives and cars. At some point, the smaller roads decided it would be cheaper to pay someone else to handle wrecks instead of having full-time crews to handle a once-in-a-while event. That's what indirectly lead to the formation of RJ Corman.
Since outfits such as Corman specialize in wreck cleanups, they've developed and refined their techniques to a high level. Whatever they charge is a good deal compared to the costs to the railroad to deploy their own wreckers. Plus there's the savings of not having the track tied up for several days while cleanup is going on.
Nice Camera Great HD !!
Considering that they didn't move the NS unit at the same time as the third one probably meant it too was derailed. My guess would be that the derailment was caused from picking a switch.
By the looks of it, no one got hurt, the train was in motion very, very, slowly, while switchn to the next track, had it been going faster (all the engines) and a few cars would of derailed, great VIDEO, thanks for sharing this with me, 👌👍
Maybe the rail roads wanna stop ordering their rails from Amazon and Ebay.
Haha
I have a question. I saw a switcher serviced on a siding a few years back where they simply lifted the nose and drove the trucks out from under the chassis using power jumped to it from a mobile generator. Since then, I always thought bogies and trucks floated on a big pin that sticks down from the chassis. But now I see them lifting this engine and the bogies stick to the chassis. Is there always some sort of locking mechanism that locks the drive trucks to the chassis pin? Or did they have to add a tool to do this lift?
Well I just got on with BNSF as a conductor and we’ve been training for the past few weeks and one thing that we make sure is that when switching like that make sure it’s flush and nothing is in between the two rails or what you’ll have is on half going down one track and the front going down another. This is what I’m seeing signs of
If that was in Britain they would have only have just started the health and safety meeting in an hour the whole yard would have been shut down for days after about 2 days they might have started sorting it out. .
It looks that at 5:20 the left track has the switch going to the other track; while that right track the switch is not lined good to receive that locomotive. I believe that the front locomotive passed the switch (lined straight on) and than for what reason was changed to the other track while the locomotive was above it.
Great video! Looks like a bad derailment
RJ Corman is a top notch outfit!
Hey. I’m still foaming over and wishing we had K5LA’s on UP. I’m getting tired of hearing K3LA’s.
You know horsepower hours exist, theres alot of CSX Dash 8s on UP as of rn same as sd70macs
Ew K5LA and K3LAs both sound boring to me. K5LLA and RS3Ls are the best!
I can't suggest this enough but if anyone has the chance. Watch the documentary on Mr. Corman. It's on their TH-cam channel.
I agree. That documentary is amazing.
R.J. Korman was an outstanding GUY !! No College Education, but a Brilliant Mind.
Nice sir
Derailments happen from time to time, especially in train yards, so derailments are NOT preventable.
Rj Corman made a video about Rick after he died it’s a pretty interesting watch
As you know rails can buckle in the heat as well but unlikely at the temp you stated in the video.
Very interesting footage 👍♐
Here's my update on the derailment and its the same as yours with lowercase letters: Train 371G103 traveling south through the 1-2 thoroughfare crossover when the electric switch crossover was operated under their movement at the g scale New River Gorge National Park and Preserve in Fayetteville West Virginia not far from Ansted where my uncle Greg lives derailing all wheels on lead engine KCS #4841 and the number 1 wheelset on NS #9683.
RJ/Crain masters/Hulchers are on call 24/7 and can be at any location in 4 hours or less
D8 Pipe boom? They normally travel in packs of say ten. The section of pipe line is welded next to the trench and the pipe booms all lift and place it in the trench at the same time. The modification looks to be rubber pad tracks instead of the single grouser track pads. Nice vid. :o)
The trainmaster threw the switch under the engines. No injuries.
That is also what i think!
Why is KCS in Atlanta, does it have some sort of agreement with NS to be there?
I’ve always wanted to see how a derailment is handled. I assumed it would be a long time to the locomotive back on the tracks.
Well done!
KCS Southern Belle ES44AC #4841 derailed?
From the way 4841 was positioned after the derailment, it looks like the front truck tried to go straight while the rear truck tried to traverse the switch but pulled the front truck off the rails. It’s a known cause of derailment nationwide where the trucks of a diesel engine jump the trucks from improper switch work. Just saying it looks like that from how the engine is derailed, but it could be something else. Great report on the incident regardless.
Yeah, I think that's true because of the big kink in the track just after the switch. It probably got pulled as the locomotive derailed.
can you do an enitre video on Enman Yard and its History
I'll add that to my list!
The funny thing is RJ Corman does not ship their stuff by rail
Looks like the track is buckled causing the derailment. Permanently welded track without expansion gaps causes problems in hot or cold weather
The track is buckled because of the derailment, not the cause of it. Likely the plow caught the rail when it derailed and pushed it into a bent shape. The engine probably picked a switch point or the switch could have previously been run through.
Fascinating piece. Excellent video and narration. I’m wondering, do they shut down the derailed loco’s prime mover in a situation like this?
Thanks! I believe the two locomotives were shut down, yes.
Fantastic footage and great pics on your Flickr. Did you film this with a DSLR? I wonder if the locomotive has derailed because of a defective switch or frog as you call them in USA.
Thanks! I used a mirrorless camera for the timelapse and my camcorder & drone for the rest.
Nice camera work…. when I worked for CSX my engineer put two engines on the ground at a Derail in the yard…. I was not happy but it wasn’t my fight and I didn’t get into trouble for this situation…! Of course the engineer got 30 days on the street and enjoyed two consecutive weeks at Disney like he wanted….. I was never taught this method of problem solving between trainmen and trainmasters at the CSX Redi Center…. wonder why?
Yes on call 24/7/365, When you work for a derailment service (like R.J. Corman), We were/or want to be on the road to the derailment, from 1 hour the time we the got the service interruption call. Gotta love rolling down the road "wide load" and all at 3am!! I do miss " train wreckn".
I was with Hulcher , 1989-1991. I don't miss it.
" Hooking?!" "Hooking?!! "Hooking?!!!" My grandpa told me it was "coupling" or "uncoupling." I guess the railroads ARE Really Changing!!!
Usually if we talk about "hooking" or "lacing" it refers to connecting the MU cable and air hoses between equipment, rather than just coupling.
The way I heard it in this video, it sounded like he was talking about hooking the sidebooms into the locomotive's lift points, rather than coupling them together, which would be perfectly fine usage of the wood hooking, as it is literally what is happening.
Gret video. Great explanation. I'm only about an hours drive from R. J. Corman's headquarters.
Funny…..they have a private airstrip, but the property doesn’t connect to the adjacent RailRoad tracks…..😂🤣😂🤣😂
The wooden blocks under the Cat's outriggers spread the load so they won't sink into the ballast.
Pretty obvious the lead loco split the switch. Something wrong with the leading facing points.
Side booms don’t have outriggers.
Very interesting 👍🏼Very interesting, I always wondered how they did it.
Looks as though the lead loco's trailing truck split the switch. Gotta hand it to Corman's guys. They cleaned this up quickly.
What lens did you use that you could no get the distance from your camera.
I used a 70-300mm for the timelapse at 300mm and my camcorder has a 12x zoom.
Do a video of track replacement
Tower through the switch underneath them.
I understand most derails happen in the yards where track isn't maintained so well.
Railroad men refer to the side booms as sidewinders.