Awesome video! I really like the detail in explaining what is going on. The need for water was interesting and especially calling for a fire truck. You don't hear that everyday.
6:01 that’s DEFINITELY an air leak. As a truck driver who relies on airlines and air brakes the sound of escaping air is one of our biggest fears. It’s better to catch it on the pre trip and be down for the day than have your trailer lock up on you going 65 mph down the highway. Good catch and definitely report that.
I always get happy when i see a Mexican locomotive helping American engines in the US (I’m from Mexico) I really love the new Ferromex paint scheme. Great video!
This is PSR railroading at its finest. NS has laid off a lot of mechanical employees across its system and this is the result of the lack of maintenance on locomotives. If you heard the engineer in the beginning he let the dispatcher know and they told him to take it anyway. What a joke.
I never knew that modern freight trains need water, you learn something new every day. It is also nice to see a Mexican train on U.S grounds, keep up good the work V12 Productions.
They don't lose water the way steam engines did but they do need water for cooling. Cars and trucks need water as well. It's a closed loop system, which is why the railroads don't have water towers anymore.
Very nice. This video with clarity of pictures and beautiful drone shots, transcends what was possible with a full movie production crew, just a few years ago. Not to be taken for granted, this is great work.
My understanding is once a locomotive overheats due to low water, you don't want to add anything to it. As the thermal shock of the fresh water can do more harm. I bet that as soon as mechanical heard the plan to add water via a fire-engine, they jumped as fast as they could to nix that. Just another day on the railroad. :)
Oddly enough, I was on a train headed south to Birmingham out of Chattanooga, and our second engine ran out of water and the Attalla FD and mechanical came out and added water to it. Ran fine after that
That's mainly for steam locomotives, in diesels the water just goes into a tank which I think you can see through the open door on the 2nd engine when the train passes.
If low on water, either wait many hours for cooldown or add the water while engine is running. The cool water will blend with the hot and be OK. Diesels engine at idle will cool down naturally.
They’re gonna have a hard time at Dalton, Georgia ‘cause that’s the highest point on NS & CSX’s line between Atlanta and Chattanooga. The summit is located about where the webcam in Dalton is located, in the old freight depot now visitor’s center.
373 is like NS 27A (Rutherford, PA to Inman Yard, Atlanta GA), it’s always a 2 front, 2 DPU engine formation and averages 12,000-14,000ft, and with 27A being a daily priority intermodal, it’s one of those trains that can’t have anything wrong with it. My favorite train yet the one I hope can make it without problems
I worked for Southern and then Norfolk Southern for a total of 16 years.I worked on a coal haul road in the mountains of South west Virginia in track maintenance.In all that time I don't recall an engine being in a consist running out of water.But back then they were engine shops at every terminal.The maintenance of rolling stock and trackage is suffering on a daily basis.
Some rugged territory. Just had 2 with 2 CP GEs on a 200 car frac sand unit train. Last fall a FerroMex led a unit coal train on the UP to Sheboygan WI super rare
These conductors and engineers don't get paid enough for this stuff. If these trains are that much longer, these guys have that much more to deal with. Bigger load on their shoulders should translate to bigger pay, and better scheduling.
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If only I had a camera as clear as yours, and one that I could actually hold. Perhaps one day. Excellent stuff. Wish I could have met you at the museum on Speeder Days, but perhaps we shall cross paths another time. :)
Hey, I'm actually going to be in Gwinnett County for a week to visit my family. Maybe we might see each other? Lol jk. I won't be driving, so I'll be riding around town with my relatives.
I actually caught one of those newly repainted FXE GEVOs in El Paso a few months back. Couldn't get a good photo of it because it was buried in the BNSF Santa Fe St. Yard.
Wow! What poor planning on the railroads part. What, you don't know the power rating of your locomotives? Did anyone check the "DPUs" for water etc. In my opinion, dumb is what caused this screw-up! A local Fire Dept? Delays? Bad moves! Thanx for uncovering them. Great job as aleays.
Hmm, sounds like PRT is not working very well. And Engine reliability and maintenance? Not impressed! Is this anyway to run a Railroad? Feel terrible for Engineers having to put put up with this type of Management!
I'm not sure what that hissing noise is, when you mentioned it in the video, as it was obscured a lot by rail flange noises that also were happening in the same part of the video. Presumably, you had a much clearer hearing range for you to pick it up. Sometimes cameras pick up extra noise that the human ear just can't seem to hear! 😊👍
As a truck driver who has to check and listen for air leaks I can tell you that those boxcars were most definitely leaking air. An air leak is more like a snakes hiss that’s constant and the rail flang is more high pitched and changes volumes
NS 5+ miles manifest with 4 leading units stalled on a grade and no DPU. Later 2 Dash-9 came to help, first they were going 150+ cars in reverse and then pushed the train up the grade. It was all empty cars ❗
This is the type of railroading I like I love getting all the details, I Always wonder what issues these locomotives/trains have on a day to day basis! I also like when you know how much horsepower where the train is going to where the train is coming from how long/heavy it is etc….
Pretty much they have boring failures 😂 air leaks electrical failures like switches frying and contractors blowing up. Traction motors are constantly having problems. It’s pretty refreshing to see one have a power assembly explode or something like a turbo catch fire😂
I do not know any body else.But I like the older train horns.When they are these put on newer units.Its the same for CSX I like the older train horns.As a child I had an uncle that lived in Charlotte n.c.I would spend the weekend sometimes.He lived near wear the Seaboard crossed Southern railway.I could tell which train it was.Seaboard had a deeper tone to there horns.Southern had a higher tone horn.
Welcome to the business model called PSR. The only goal of this model is to make investors happy by decreasing costs thereby lower expense ratios. All class 1 and some class 2 railroads are implementing this model. The bare minimum is spent on maintaining track, equipment and manpower. These power problems range across the entire industry, and the crews are left out there to try and come up with solutions to get from A to B.
1:05 this dude rats out his boy because he cant throttle up in time. he knew the 2nd motor wasn't working and he should of punched it way before. He had plenty of prime mover to get out of that.
@@NRRailfan228 they are -9’s. they’re just refurbished with newer mechanical components and things like trip optimizer. worked with both and they’re almost identical, but the c6m’s are much nicer to work with. only complaint is they’re loud and rattle like hell
What does the executives , stock holders, public think about the safety and concern of this train? If I was president, I couldn’t sleep without some serious discussions with the operations of my company I’m responsible for. Smh
That's way to long a train for safety in my opinion. You want to run a a caboose or a couple guys on another unit in the middle of train? Maybe. I don't like the fact that no is looking at the train.
Huh. Seems like NS has been having loads of problems lately in your neck of the woods. Here in El Paso on the UP Sunset Route (more specifically, the Valentine Sub), they've been having PTC problems, FREDs not responding, DPUs not linking correctly, DPUs randomly shutting off while the train is in motion, and just recently, there was a derailment that happened at the wye where the Tucumcari Line meets the Sunset Route in South Central El Paso. The Lordsburg Sub on the otherhand, has been experiencing a high influx of tresspassers (illegal immigrants, train hoppers, and people being stupid). The other day I witnessed a lady going around the gates at a crossing seconds before a train approached! I recorded most of those events, however, not in the same professional quality you do!
Good video looks like NS wants to continue burning up their engines with these long trains I guess you can burn them up instead wall Street's pocket the head honchos don't have a clue how to run a Railroad I can see that and I don't even work for 1
@@trainstractorscarsandtruck7362 sorry man, I might be wrong! Many tank cars are constantly placarded (empty or not) and buffer cars are usually for unit trains of oil and ethanol. It's been several years ago (10 maybe) since the last time I saw TankTrainTankTrain and on Union Pacific. No buffer cars then. Even if not empty, NS decided to push the train but I guess it's not been too long a distance and emergency 🤷🏻♂️
Interesting! My take and I'm no expert: seems like NS was trying to get by with less power than needed. And that maintenance *may* have missed a few things on the troubled engines. And that Ferromex paint scheme truly sucks!
@@tbb236 nahh UP power is better. I work on ns motors. Even their pride and joy C6Ms are junk. NS just doesn't maintain anything anymore under psr, plus personal isn't there to do it adequately, couldn't imagine why.
Funny they said "3 ACs couldn't pull it?" as if the engineer doesn't know anything. Nah idiot. Even ACs have tonnage limits. Mechanical think AC will pull wha5ever you put on it SMH.
It’s not always a good idea to tell an NS employee or call NS to tell them a problem about their train if you think something is wrong. Most air hoses will leak some air and you’ll hear that hissing sound. If you were to get in touch through NS and they tell the head end, and they stop the train to make the conductor walk back to find nothing, its pretty irritating to the crew. It gives the people in the hobby a bad name.
I don't know how a railroad supposed to grow when you cut people back close yards close engine shops do away service on slower tracks makes them look like they don't care anymore about the small business it's just a mess it all boils down to what can I cut next before the next earnings report I own stock in NS but I hate to see Wall Street controlling what a business really needs to operate that's just a lot on everything other business too
Like to know Who is Working in the Power Groups at the Class I Railroads in 2022 because they appear to be sitting on their Brains 🧠 which is NOT recommended. 🤪👎
Awesome video! I really like the detail in explaining what is going on. The need for water was interesting and especially calling for a fire truck. You don't hear that everyday.
no you don't
💜💜
Several years ago it was commonplace on csx
Yeah, he’s a very good TH-camr to watch for information about certain things. I like your short line videos
@@UnionCountyPhotography me to 💜
6:01 that’s DEFINITELY an air leak. As a truck driver who relies on airlines and air brakes the sound of escaping air is one of our biggest fears. It’s better to catch it on the pre trip and be down for the day than have your trailer lock up on you going 65 mph down the highway. Good catch and definitely report that.
I always get happy when i see a Mexican locomotive helping American engines in the US (I’m from Mexico)
I really love the new Ferromex paint scheme. Great video!
This is PSR railroading at its finest. NS has laid off a lot of mechanical employees across its system and this is the result of the lack of maintenance on locomotives. If you heard the engineer in the beginning he let the dispatcher know and they told him to take it anyway. What a joke.
Sounds a lot like dispatchers in the trucking industry
I never knew that modern freight trains need water, you learn something new every day.
It is also nice to see a Mexican train on U.S grounds, keep up good the work V12 Productions.
They don't lose water the way steam engines did but they do need water for cooling. Cars and trucks need water as well. It's a closed loop system, which is why the railroads don't have water towers anymore.
@@rebelroar78 Oh, so that's why, thanks
I have seen that Ferromex many times in Mexico and it has the new scheme....
Thank you for explaining what was happening. They really needed some power going up that hill.
I’m gonna be brutally honest, I love that new Ferromex paint scheme
I caught this ferromex and UP 2 days ago in Columbus, OH. It was passing 195 in emergency which had a car with a broken wheel bearing.
Aw, man! That's crazy!
That crew definitely had a bad time
Very nice. This video with clarity of pictures and beautiful drone shots, transcends what was possible with a full movie production crew, just a few years ago. Not to be taken for granted, this is great work.
I really appreciate that, thanks!
My understanding is once a locomotive overheats due to low water, you don't want to add anything to it. As the thermal shock of the fresh water can do more harm. I bet that as soon as mechanical heard the plan to add water via a fire-engine, they jumped as fast as they could to nix that.
Just another day on the railroad. :)
Oddly enough, I was on a train headed south to Birmingham out of Chattanooga, and our second engine ran out of water and the Attalla FD and mechanical came out and added water to it. Ran fine after that
That's mainly for steam locomotives, in diesels the water just goes into a tank which I think you can see through the open door on the 2nd engine when the train passes.
If low on water, either wait many hours for cooldown or add the water while engine is running. The cool water will blend with the hot and be OK. Diesels engine at idle will cool down naturally.
They’re gonna have a hard time at Dalton, Georgia ‘cause that’s the highest point on NS & CSX’s line between Atlanta and Chattanooga. The summit is located about where the webcam in Dalton is located, in the old freight depot now visitor’s center.
I rarely comment on this platform but man... this content is awesome!!! Shoutout to your IG for bringing me here
Thanks, I really appreciate that!
373 is like NS 27A (Rutherford, PA to Inman Yard, Atlanta GA), it’s always a 2 front, 2 DPU engine formation and averages 12,000-14,000ft, and with 27A being a daily priority intermodal, it’s one of those trains that can’t have anything wrong with it. My favorite train yet the one I hope can make it without problems
Really cool to see an FXE unit this far into the US. Sadly, most of them can't lead here tho
Great catch man!
Thanks!
Great catch on the FXE and great video
I worked for Southern and then Norfolk Southern for a total of 16 years.I worked on a coal haul road in the mountains of South west Virginia in track maintenance.In all that time I don't recall an engine being in a consist running out of water.But back then they were engine shops at every terminal.The maintenance of rolling stock and trackage is suffering on a daily basis.
I imagine, or I hope, that someone who declared these engines as fit and ready gets asked a few questions.
Some rugged territory. Just had 2 with 2 CP GEs on a 200 car frac sand unit train. Last fall a FerroMex led a unit coal train on the UP to Sheboygan WI super rare
I have a video of Ferromex 4643 passing by the Norfolk Southern crew alongside RJ corman fixing one of the railcars on 195 because the axle broke.
Great video as always and full of information, keep up the good work. Following your channel from New Zealand.
Thanks!
Ferromex has been through Waupaca WI so also in canada
These conductors and engineers don't get paid enough for this stuff. If these trains are that much longer, these guys have that much more to deal with. Bigger load on their shoulders should translate to bigger pay, and better scheduling.
There is a question I have and it is if we would like to meet up in Austell ga maybe?
That would be awesome if we all railfans were in Austell georgia
What camera do you use?
Wow! Good chase and great detail! Everything elsemay have went wrong with the train but the Nathan P5s sounded extra good!! Great video!
Thanks!
Is that old 2 bay hopper at 8:18 from Southern?
Correct.
FERROMEX engine was the cleanest and nicest of the set of engines.
Nice video production and content.
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Nice video I have seen that maintenance of way train and I also have a ho scale model of that ferromex engine with dcc and sound
No one has made this scheme yet.....is it custom painted?
@@AbelG8781 yes it's custom
Very good production work on these videos.
I caught 4434 and the dpus in Dayton 4434 was leading and 4643 and 6449 were end dpus
Back in '22
That locomotive was all the way up in Ohio
Surprised the helper crew was pushing against a haz mat car!
If only I had a camera as clear as yours, and one that I could actually hold. Perhaps one day.
Excellent stuff. Wish I could have met you at the museum on Speeder Days, but perhaps we shall cross paths another time. :)
Hey, I'm actually going to be in Gwinnett County for a week to visit my family. Maybe we might see each other? Lol jk. I won't be driving, so I'll be riding around town with my relatives.
Interesting video. Someone without a radio would have no story to tell here.
I actually caught one of those newly repainted FXE GEVOs in El Paso a few months back. Couldn't get a good photo of it because it was buried in the BNSF Santa Fe St. Yard.
Wow! What poor planning on the railroads part. What, you don't know the power rating of your locomotives? Did anyone check the "DPUs" for water etc. In my opinion, dumb is what caused this screw-up! A local Fire Dept? Delays? Bad moves! Thanx for uncovering them. Great job as aleays.
NS 4434 had a beautiful horn
Agree
Great video as always.
Thanks!
Glad to see some Mexican power on the US
#GoFXE
#GoKCSM
how terrifying would it be to see a train come to a crossing, and then sliding backwards down the incline
I seen the Mexican loco #4643 and the Union Pacific loco #6449 in middletown ohio on April 28th. really cool to see something different.
Hmm, sounds like PRT is not working very well. And Engine reliability and maintenance? Not impressed! Is this anyway to run a Railroad?
Feel terrible for Engineers having to put put up with this type of Management!
Great video! I just wonder why they don't maintain their engines better, all that railroad money and they won't maintain their engines.
I'm not sure what that hissing noise is, when you mentioned it in the video, as it was obscured a lot by rail flange noises that also were happening in the same part of the video. Presumably, you had a much clearer hearing range for you to pick it up. Sometimes cameras pick up extra noise that the human ear just can't seem to hear! 😊👍
As a truck driver who has to check and listen for air leaks I can tell you that those boxcars were most definitely leaking air. An air leak is more like a snakes hiss that’s constant and the rail flang is more high pitched and changes volumes
I would love to watch your videos forever longer the better
Really appreciate that!
And now trains three miles long are being run. . . . I wonder who took the rap for that one. Despatch were warned and over rode the crews advice.!!!!
NS 5+ miles manifest with 4 leading units stalled on a grade and no DPU. Later 2 Dash-9 came to help, first they were going 150+ cars in reverse and then pushed the train up the grade. It was all empty cars ❗
Excellent video!
You're right V12 Productions, 9953 and 9779 are showing their age. Also, 9953 has
2 of its compartment doors open.
This is the type of railroading I like I love getting all the details, I Always wonder what issues these locomotives/trains have on a day to day basis! I also like when you know how much horsepower where the train is going to where the train is coming from how long/heavy it is etc….
Pretty much they have boring failures 😂 air leaks electrical failures like switches frying and contractors blowing up. Traction motors are constantly having problems. It’s pretty refreshing to see one have a power assembly explode or something like a turbo catch fire😂
Keep up the amazing work!!😎 You have my like👍👍
Will do. Thanks!!
I do not know any body else.But I like the older train horns.When they are these put on newer units.Its the same for CSX I like the older train horns.As a child I had an uncle that lived in Charlotte n.c.I would spend the weekend sometimes.He lived near wear the Seaboard crossed Southern railway.I could tell which train it was.Seaboard had a deeper tone to there horns.Southern had a higher tone horn.
Norfolk Southern 373 was changed to I363.
What antenna do you have on your BC125AT? I'm looking for an upgrade from the stock antenna
The Diamond RH-77 CA Antenna is what I've seen used and recommended my other railfans.
@@mgr_video_productions Thanks!
@@railfan_mike.t I second original comment
I saw 373 when I was working at Kroger in Rome
Very interesting video 😎
Thanks!
Nice cat eye Chevy 👍
Did you hear the air leak on the last pass?
I did.
@V12 Productions I bet it scared you
Welcome to the business model called PSR. The only goal of this model is to make investors happy by decreasing costs thereby lower expense ratios. All class 1 and some class 2 railroads are implementing this model. The bare minimum is spent on maintaining track, equipment and manpower. These power problems range across the entire industry, and the crews are left out there to try and come up with solutions to get from A to B.
Thank you for sharing your interesting video. Kind regards and stay safe, Peter and Alex from Petes Wildlife
Thanks!
One of those rare white face cabs on NS
Based on that tonnage call out does that mean the train weighs more than 1 ton per foot?
Fantastic video my good and dear friend, it really is fantastic and I love it so much 🤩🤩🤩🤩. Like 517 👍!!!!!!
1:05 this dude rats out his boy because he cant throttle up in time. he knew the 2nd motor wasn't working and he should of punched it way before. He had plenty of prime mover to get out of that.
Very interesting, it’s about time these dash 9 / c6m units get replaced
The C6M’s are new(er). The older -9’s will be rebuilt into C6M’s eventually
@@tbb236 well remember these c6ms retain some of the old features of a dash 9
@@NRRailfan228 they are -9’s. they’re just refurbished with newer mechanical components and things like trip optimizer. worked with both and they’re almost identical, but the c6m’s are much nicer to work with. only complaint is they’re loud and rattle like hell
BNSF Dash-9 s are super good 👍🙋
And 175 was changed to I345.
What does the executives , stock holders, public think about the safety and concern of this train? If I was president, I couldn’t sleep without some serious discussions with the operations of my company I’m responsible for. Smh
0:10 years ago I would like a drink
That's way to long a train for safety in my opinion. You want to run a a caboose or a couple guys on another unit in the middle of train? Maybe. I don't like the fact that no is looking at the train.
Huh. Seems like NS has been having loads of problems lately in your neck of the woods. Here in El Paso on the UP Sunset Route (more specifically, the Valentine Sub), they've been having PTC problems, FREDs not responding, DPUs not linking correctly, DPUs randomly shutting off while the train is in motion, and just recently, there was a derailment that happened at the wye where the Tucumcari Line meets the Sunset Route in South Central El Paso. The Lordsburg Sub on the otherhand, has been experiencing a high influx of tresspassers (illegal immigrants, train hoppers, and people being stupid). The other day I witnessed a lady going around the gates at a crossing seconds before a train approached! I recorded most of those events, however, not in the same professional quality you do!
I live here!😊
Good video looks like NS wants to continue burning up their engines with these long trains I guess you can burn them up instead wall Street's pocket the head honchos don't have a clue how to run a Railroad I can see that and I don't even work for 1
nice!
I believe the helpers were in violation. They can't hook directly to a Hazmat Tank Car, and pushing it. Am I wrong?
Empty tank car
@@hadesdescent6664 How do you know, it had placards on it.
@@trainstractorscarsandtruck7362 sorry man, I might be wrong! Many tank cars are constantly placarded (empty or not) and buffer cars are usually for unit trains of oil and ethanol. It's been several years ago (10 maybe) since the last time I saw TankTrainTankTrain and on Union Pacific. No buffer cars then. Even if not empty, NS decided to push the train but I guess it's not been too long a distance and emergency 🤷🏻♂️
Time to call in an sd90mac or an ac6000 😅
Amazing
Ferromex 4643
Interesting! My take and I'm no expert: seems like NS was trying to get by with less power than needed. And that maintenance *may* have missed a few things on the troubled engines. And that Ferromex paint scheme truly sucks!
Was haben Sie zum neuen Ferromex-System gesagt?
srsly, who even knows how long 13,000ft is? Just say 4km or 4000meters, jeez.
If ns would maintain their power they wouldn't have these problems.
UP is worse by far. KCSM engine take the cake, though. Always filthy and have some sort of mechanical issue
@@tbb236 nahh UP power is better. I work on ns motors. Even their pride and joy C6Ms are junk. NS just doesn't maintain anything anymore under psr, plus personal isn't there to do it adequately, couldn't imagine why.
Funny they said "3 ACs couldn't pull it?" as if the engineer doesn't know anything. Nah idiot. Even ACs have tonnage limits. Mechanical think AC will pull wha5ever you put on it SMH.
@@davidstewart5694 they thought they AC58's, not 4400's.
It’s not always a good idea to tell an NS employee or call NS to tell them a problem about their train if you think something is wrong. Most air hoses will leak some air and you’ll hear that hissing sound. If you were to get in touch through NS and they tell the head end, and they stop the train to make the conductor walk back to find nothing, its pretty irritating to the crew. It gives the people in the hobby a bad name.
I don't know how a railroad supposed to grow when you cut people back close yards close engine shops do away service on slower tracks makes them look like they don't care anymore about the small business it's just a mess it all boils down to what can I cut next before the next earnings report I own stock in NS but I hate to see Wall Street controlling what a business really needs to operate that's just a lot on everything other business too
Like to know Who is Working in the Power Groups at the Class I Railroads in 2022 because they appear to be sitting on their Brains 🧠 which is NOT recommended. 🤪👎