My grandfather told me there was nothing wrong with her, she was very out going and wanted to live life. They locked her up to control her but she keep getting out so they sent her away, after that she was still too independent, so they lobotomize her. So she could not ruin the family Reputation. I believe my Grandfather.
He passed his mistresses down to the sons, and also visited brothels with them! As men, the Kennedys were still passing down their mistresses to each other! They were messes, and deserved their miseries!
I, too, would have to agree with your grandfather. The lobotomy, as anyone nowadays knows and if those who knew Rosemary had the chance to interact with her after the procedure, they too would have been able to see the disastrous effects it causes. So, despite Joseph not really knowing or understanding the probable outcome of the procedure, one he approved and coerced Rosemary to go ahead with the lobotomy which ruined his daughter and had stole the spark of life from behind her eyes, his choices thereafter are what, to me, speak the most loudly as to his character. Once he realized the life his daughter was fated endure, and at his own hands, whether he did so partially out of guilt or not - he most certainly did so out of his fear the embarrassment he felt she'd bring to him - the fact that he hid her away, even going as far as keeping her location a secret from her immediate family, such as her mother and siblings, in my opinion, that tells me all I need to know about Joseph Kennedy and the selfish, monster in human form that he was. If he could ruin his daughter as he did while trying to 'fix' her and then upon realizing the means which he chose to go about 'fixing' her didn't result in a manner which he found acceptable, he turned a blind eye at her entire existence. To the point that he had his secretary 'clean up his mess' by, in effect, sweeping her under the rug with the hope that people would forget she ever existed. So, yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that if he could do that to that beautiful little girl turned lovely, elegant young lady, he could certainly torture her under the guise of medical necessity with the hope of forcing her to eventually submit and conform. So sad, really.
Joseph would have been kinder to kill her outright, rather than destroying her gradually. His actions are the true shame, not his daughter. At least most people today can recognize that!
Rosemary Kennedy’s story was particularly horrific. As if it was not bad enough that her disability was totally avoidable, she was lobotomized because her behaviour was not only inconvenient but a blemish on the family image. And finally she was denied any family comfort because no one in the family other than the father knew where she was. The family had the resources to allow her to stay at home under full time care but their image was too important. As a whole, the family didn’t try hard enough but the father was despicable.
Rosemary Kennedy had two older brothers who were sexually active but rosemary was a female that could ruin the family reputation. Did you know miss Lillian Carter was Joseph Kennedy secretary until she got pregnant. She left to have baby Jimmy Carter. Jimmy has the Kennedy jaw line. Sexual abuse effects the brain
@@waynejones205had an Uber driver once that said his Grandfather assisted Joe Kennedy in his bootlegging days. Told me he helped with the transport of the liquor. Not sure how true it is, but it was still a pretty cool story.
@@dominiquechristine Wow! IDK how long Kennedy was active in moonshining, but God Bless if he's still driving safely at such an age!! Uber is like my old Limo/Sedan days, I started in May of this year. :)
This was very interesting and disturbing At the same time. It's really sad what happened to Rosemary Kennedy. There's no way I let someone give My child a lobotomy. Enjoy your weekend 👍🏽😃. There were some very famous people At the Craig House.👏🏾👏🏾
Delaying birth by squeezing legs together as if (excuse my crassness) 'prarie-dogging' a "#2" so the family's obstetrician could be there in time leading to the poor newborn suffering irreparable harm is both ignorant and depraved. Granted, there are modern meds available for medical professionals these days - from mid-wives to EMTs and doctors, but even in many cultures there are means to do so centuries back. It's barbaric.
I’m so glad that Mr Ron from Faces of the Forgotten linked your TH-cam channel! Yes he was so correct that all of your videos were over the top creative and very interesting. You’re narrating the stories just make them fabulous! Thanks for all your hard work ❤ Nidya from Texas Blessings
Well done. Always good to see your videos on TH-cam. Rosemary Kennedy was swept under the rug and forgotten. She's not the only one. Her story is quite a bit more famous due to her family's name. At the end of her life, she was taken to her remaining family's home. I do hope she found some solace in her last years.
Wasn't Rosemarys mother when giving birth to her told to keep her legs closed waiting for the Dr that cause rosemary to be denied oxygen? Can cause brain damage
@@zoeykraft8987 Sadly that did happen. Then her 'dad' did what he did. Karma-- 'Daddy' -- had a big stroke -- his mind was ok but his body was pretty much useless & he could no longer even talk. What goes around, comes around I guess.
@@ruthshelton-tp9ie yes my step family is related to the Kennedys. The part I never knew which caused it was about her birthing and having been oxygen starved
I believe her sisters Pat& Jean " rescued her" from the institution she was in and she knew them but sadly the botched procedure left her with No speech. No may much to communicate. Medications to " control her" left her fat and I know she suffered greatly. The Early days of different ways to treat mental illness were nothing more than cruel experimentations. Today is not much better with constant stigma attached to the disease of the mind which most " Doctors" tend to ignore , especially in Women as anxiety, or Hysteria. Post Partum Depression after one or multiple one after another pregnancies is A grevious condition that most people and professionals pawn off to other maladies or ignore completely. Pay attention Everyone to drastic changes in personality and odd behaviors after a birthday. And fircGidcSake men ,stop having one baby after another to " grow" your "Quiver full" household. Children ARENT Vegetables..you put someone you profess to live thru immoral hell by doing this.
For Rosemary, a life definitely stolen. I think for her father to make such a drastic decision and be so secretive about it, going as far as keeping it from his own wife tells me there may have been something more that he was hiding. She didn't look that mentally disturbed to me. She may have went through a rebellious patch but I don't think a lobotomy was the answer. Her father made a permanent decision that ultimately changed her life for the rest of her days, that was very selfish of him. Then hid her from the rest of the family, so sad. He was never even held accountable by anyone for his mistake. Mrs. Fonda and Mrs. Fitzgerald is a different kinda tragedy but also sad. And as always I enjoyed the video, thank you 😊.
Latter on 'daddy' had a major stroke, he's mind was then stuck in a pretty much useless bodie. Normally I'd feel sorry for a person going through that but maybe it's wrong to say, I think he got exactly what he deserved after the things he did.
@@ruthshelton-tp9ie Not until he had lived a good life unfortunately, something he denied his daughter. He was a thoroughly unpleasant man all round from what I have read about him.
@@janetpendlebury6808 Sadly, so true. But still, I think his last year's weren't all that pleasent. We can only wonder if he was ever sorry for what he'd done to his daughter. He lost many of his children. His 1st son & a daughter Katherine to planes, Rosemary, his son that he pushed to become president after ther 1st son died, John was shot & killed. I don't remember if he was alive when Bobby was shot & killed or if he was alive during the car/girl being left to drowned by drunk Teddy Kennedy thing happened. So four of the kids died, two to planes, two to being shot, Rosemary after that awful brain operation & dumping her like trash -- that's five of his kids gone I think while he was still alive. I could be wrong. JFK's son & crew died in a plane crash. I think the plane was tampered with to do so -- so JFK Jr couldn't run for president. Notice he died shortly AFTER Jackie his mother died. Maybe the whole family is deceased now. But we can't change the past. I like to believe that Rosemary is in a much better place, no more pain & whole again. Who in their right mind would try to stop a baby from coming is beyond me. 'Mom & dad' had a big hand in poor Rosemary's hard life. To think that even WITH that beyond awful operation that Rosemary STILL KNEW HER MOM -- and probably wondered why she hadn't been there for her. Very, very, very sad indeed, but hopefully she's with God and happy now. Hopefully all that suffered in those awful places are in a better place.
@@janetpendlebury6808 I worte a replay but got a message stating 'sgin in to post'. Yeah he had many years of the high life BUT he lost the 1s son & a daughter Katherine to planes, Rosemary to what he'd done to her, both JFK & Bobby were shot & killed-- that's 5 kids. Teddy & the the girl drowning thing-- don't know if the dad was around for all that but still he sure had time to think about what he'd done to Rosemary, & for pushing his son's to become president. How the mom not have the child when it was trying to be born is beyond me. We can't change the past and one good thing came about-- The Special Olympics --
To give you some background, the Kings and Queens of Europe were actually puppets for the Christian Church. Their nurses had more power than they did, because they were appointed by the Church and had hands-on access to these monarchs with plenty of oops latitude. Sometimes these nurses just savagely demonstrated their absolute power and at least one infant King's son died in a sportive baby-tossing incident. This nurse probably treated the Kennedys much the same way for whatever reason.
Awful & COMPLETELY STUPID. Like, why in fk would someone do that? Go against Nature twice: “hold baby in” during labor so a MALE doctor can tell you what to do?! Make it make sense pls
Stupidity in medicine has always existed. I know a family that has a retarded daughter because the mother was told to keep her legs together & WAIT for a bloody doctor. That was in the late 50s or so. The white coats hypnotize people & fear they spew creates innumerable medical problems that are written off as something other than flat out malpractice - it's disgusting.
I love the way your videos seem to transport me to another place & time. My heart breaks for the patients & the torturous “treatments” they were dealt to “make them better”. Hope everyone has a good weekend. Thank you, Oddie!
That was a very intense story. That Hospital was more like a Resort, oh my! I never knew that about Jane Fonda's mother, Rosemary Kennedy, and the Fitzgerald's. You did an excellent job producing this. I think it would make a good big screen movie (names would be changed of course.) Have a wonderful day!:))
Thank you for this video! I would love to see you do a video on the life of Zelda Fitzgerald. I would say she definitely lived an interesting, but tragic life. She was a Southern debutant who got to hob-knob with some of the top names of the era, yet had to deal with her husband’s abuse and alcoholism. What is worse, he plagiarized a good deal of her private writings for his books. He was a driving factor in her mental illness, and her death was horrendous and shocking. She certainly meets all the criteria of an Oddie’s video! Again, thank you for the amazing storytelling. Cheers!
I didn't know that. Very interesting. As a woman who was married to an abuser, I can see that happening. It's good to know that his books are actually Zelda's. I remember in a literature class in high school that we discussed how he wrote from a "woman's point of view". Now I know why!! Thank you for commenting.
@joyful_tanya his books are not "actually hers". That is not what the comment said at all. It said he "plagiarized " some of her writing. Which is not correct either. He did get ideas from her diaries. Also when she gave birth to Scottie she said "I hope she's a fool" or something like that. He used that in the Great Gatsby. She said a lot of witty quips that he used. ALL writers pull from people they know. That's not plagiarism. Hemingway based many of his characters off his friends and barely bothered to disguise their identities. You can read Save Me the Waltz that Zelda wrote. Compare that to Scott's novels. He was an extremely talented writer. The prose and words were his
A little bit more about Rosemary Kennedy... Because she acted "child like" before the horrific lobotomy, she would be "one of the guys." She enjoyed driving, going to parties and being what we all think teenagers should do. The father thought she was "staining their families name." He wanted her to get married and settle down. She refused as she still wanted to have fun. He (the father) had her taken to the Craig House in the middle of the night and told her mother for a long time and everyone else that she had finally just ran off. 😮
Wished there were more Dr Slocum's attitude ( obviously not completely)today. Apparently it takes a week for every day you are hospitalised to recover from the whole dreadful experience ( ive been in hospital too many times to say so yes i know). What a tragic history.
This is so sad for all that died in this hospital. Joe Kennedy was an awful man in my opinion. Rosemary was beautiful and in her pics never looked as anything was wrong with her. Maybe she was not as intelligent as her brothers and that was not acceptable to him. How can a mother not know where her daughter was. This is insane!
It’s hard to comprehend how Rose Kennedy having already had children could even consider closing her legs on the advice of a nurse and causing Rosemary such trauma. Aside from the likelihood that she must have experienced extreme pain, I can’t make my mind up whether Rose was naive, or darn right selfishly careless. As for how both parents treated Rosemary in later years…I won’t go there as what ide have to say is unsuitable for the channel. 😤
They were a product of their times. They made decisions based on the times. In time, people will look back at this era and think "wtah were they thinking!?",I guarantee that.
Horribly sad about Rosemary. Joe's influence over his family was such that she wasn't brought back into the fold, until he was incapacitated. Sad and fascinating video.
My heart breaks for Rosemary 💔 🌹. She was failed by doctors starting from her horrible birth....only to be lobotomized and regress mentally to a very young child when she was in her early 20s? I believe? The fact that her parents were ashamed by her and so hid her from the public is awful! She must’ve been so lonely and confused as to why her siblings never visited her.... She truly was a beauty. I often wonder what her life would’ve been like had she not had the operation..... I knew of her story (I identify with her as I was similar as a teenager....moody and wild) but I didn’t know of her sexual abuse! It is sickening to think of all the people who suffer with mental illness or disability that are victims of abuse! Rest in paradise sweet Rosemary 🌹. You will always be my favorite Kennedy. ❤️
Joseph was the one who thought Rosemary needed the lobotomy and had her put away against his wife's wishes, Joseph didn't even consult her and she never forgave him for it.
@@ObsoleteOddity Enjoyed it immensely! Absolutely fascinating! The photos are breathtaking! The best part, in my humble opinion, is the whole historical aspect. Lady Jane Seymour. Wow! 😎
You tube is not the same without you I really am interested in the stories you tell us, your channel needs no improvement I am so glad you are part of my you tube watch list, always a perfect delivery, send my regards to your Odette.this information about the kennedy i did not know the whole story of the kennedy baby this is an amazing story
Whenever I have run across an article about Rosemary, I automatically think, “Poor dear.” Such a sad story. And , yes, when you see photos of her, with that beautiful smile she seems so vivacious, that it’s hard to think of her as mentally handicapped (until the later years, when her face definitely shows signs of a difficult life). Hers is such a tragic story.
The later years where she looked so broken was the result of having that lobotomy. That doctor cut into her brain and had no idea what he was doing and Joseph allowed it.
What a wonderful day it is to wake up to a new Oddie video! This one was so intriguing, yet so sad and depressing at the same time. I had heard of the tragic story of Rosemary Kennedy, but not to this extent. Imagine being in childbirth, yet holding back to wait for the doctor! How could they not know this would harm a baby? There is a movie based on the life of Zelda Fitzgerald called "Z". Definitely worth checking out. Thank you so much, Oddie, for another masterpiece that will linger with me for a long time!
Hello Oddie! I saw this one on Patreon last year, but just yesterday I was watching a documentary about the psycho-surgeon who performed those lobotomies. The thought of what was done to Rosemary makes my head explode! Such a barbaric practice, so many lives ruined.
Yes it’s absolutely terrifying and disgusting, that families and medical professionals could get away with such atrocities back then, and it be classed as justifiable medical procedure. There have been quite a few people complimenting your fantastic artwork!
That was an amazing story. Wow😮 All those sad or suffering people affected by ignorance. And pride and prejudice😢😢😢. Narrator's delivery is 100%. Photos that come alive for a moment. Always the best with absolute oddities 😊
Very glad you enjoyed it Christine, thank you so much for your wonderful feedback! By the way it is ObsoleteOddity - not absolute, there are a lot of other copycats who are using the word “oddity” or “absolute” in their username, to confuse people.
Thanks again, Oddie for the video of the highest quality. Please keep making and uploading, as I will ALWAYS be here to watch them. Thanks, stay safe, and have a great day!
Every time I come across a photo of Rosemary Kennedy, I can't get over how beautiful she was. She looks exactly like you described her; pretty, sweet, social & had many suitors. It's really heartbreaking and infuriating how a prominent family (basically her father) was more concerned about their image than his daughter. You would think Rosemary's family would push the father to tell them exactly where she was, but apparently, no one really cared enough about her. I wouldn't be surprised if that was their cover story, and at the very least the mom knew where she was.
Brilliant as always Oddie, thank you! I hadn't heard the sad stories of Zelda or Jane Fonda's Mother before. And now it seems the physical buildings are beginning to match the emotional energy of the place and its former residents, abandoned, left in sad isolation
Another great video. I truly enjoyed how you captured both the tradjedies of Rosemary and Zelda in an honest look at how society changed the outcome of their lives. Thank you for always giving a rich and well researched video!😊
So happy I suggested this story, you did a fantastic job with what I had written. The Craig's House is now being turned into a luxury resort. I feel it's probably haunted, but am curious to go there whenever it's completed.
Oh dear what a sad story. Such a treat to watch and listen a feast for the eyes and ears. You surely must have awards for your skills all that goes into your videos is beyond amazing. Thank you from me and all your followers.
I live an hour from Asheville NC where The Highland Hospital was located. The city has "adopted" Zelda as one of their own. Her presence is felt very strongly there. Some of her artwork is part of the permanent collection at the Asheville Art Museum & every year, the week of March 10 (the anniversary of her death in the fire) is declared Zelda Fitzgerald Week & all around town events (like lectures, art shows & concerts) are held inspired by her life, her art, her writings & her effect on Scott's writings & on the Jazz Age.
This was an excellent look at an approach to mental health care. In the case of Rosemary Kennedy, being born “imperfect” to what amounted to American Royalty back then was an embarrassment to be hidden. She might have suffered bipolar disorder, which could account for the outbursts and mood swings. Once a botched lobotomy was performed, there was no going back, and she was a casualty of her Father’s ambition. I think the original concept of helping people through conversation, physical activity, and fine dining was a good one for many conditions, and batter than most places offered. Love the drunken Oddie artwork. Thank you for this sad but interesting look at a historical site. Much love.🖤🇨🇦
Thank you Tamarra, and thank you so much for your very interesting insights. Yes I think that was absolutely tragic regarding Rosemary Kennedy, and I cannot believe that her parents slept soundly at night knowing what they did to her.
@@ObsoleteOddity I’m not sure her Father lost much sleep over it to be honest. He was a cold blooded man with a plan. Since she wasn’t useful as a marriage pawn, he would simply want her unseen and largely forgotten. I suspect it was harder on her Mother, but she didn’t really have a voice.🖤🇨🇦
Bipolar is a mood disorder so people think that means moody but its about having low moods (depression) that can last for months or year's and then you have the high moods where you don't sleep for day's/ make bad decisions ect but i think with her she was just free spirited and string willed and they didn't like it
19:40 You made me chuckle when I saw this photo of the Grove Park Inn. Also in Asheville NC The Grove Park Inn is less than 4 miles from The (haunted) Highland @ 450 Montford Ave, Asheville, North Carolina The Grove has always been a grand hotel. I had the privilege of staying there for a week back in 1974. It has 5🌟 excellence and every amenity. Your video brought back lots of memories of the area. Vanderbilt’s Biltmore, Pisgah National Forest and the Asheville Art Museum. I guess your video came across the newsfeed because of the tragedy in Asheville and the surrounding communities. Praying for them is on the daily here in the states. Thanks Oddie ✨🕊️💚☘️💚🕊️✨
Same thing happened to my sister. Had to move back from the UK after the parental units passed to take care of her. Step up to the plate and do what needs to be done. In Alabama as well.
Somber and complex subject matter, yet hauntingly beautiful. Thank you. Every soul that passed through those halls, no doubt has an interesting story of its own.
I stayed in a psychiatric hospital that was haunted. It was very old and held memories. I had one incident in particular when a nurse heard something I did. I think it's safe to say all psychiatric hospitals have paranormal activity though there could be a scientific reason.
I think one of the saddest parts about these is the medical ignorance. Had they known she would be deprived of oxygen as a baby... had they known the true effects of a lobotomy.... Where we are today is thanks to these poor souls who suffered.
@@joyful_tanya Hello, Tanya! From 1950 until the early 1970's "twilight sleep" was used in the US and other countries during birth. I was born in 1954 in Texas. My mom told me about it when I was around 5. She remembers: * labor pains * being wheeled into the brightly lit hospital operating room * getting the substance injected into her * pooping * apologizing for pooping * hearing "That's OK, honey, we'll clean you up." * nothing * some screaming baby (ME!) being put up to her face * hearing "Congratulations! It's a girl." * being wheeled back to her room. * Dads were in a waiting room and their first view was from behind the glass of the nursery. The babies were in their bassinets ID'ed with their last name and the gender. My dad was "let" into her room later on. So, she wasn't completely knocked out. Because it was just the way things were done back then, she doesn't feel she missed anything. She can't connect anything "bad" that happened to her in later life to the birth. There's a LOT of people running around now who were born using this method. Lots of Baby Boomers including yours truly and we seem to be sort of OK. 😊 Twilight sleep had been replaced by epidurals by the time my age group were having their babies (early 70's to mid 80's).
What fascinating stories! Every single one could be expanded into its own stand alone episode. The feeling that we barely skimmed the surface is palpable. Brilliant work, per usual...best channel on TH-cam, IMHO. May they acknowledge your talents and support your channel for the treasures that they truly offer. Sending lovely blessings from North Carolina, USA! ❤️
Thank you so much for reaching out with your positive feedback Elizabeth, much appreciated! Unfortunately the hypothetical “they” have never materialised - I have relied and continue to rely on the awesome support from my Patreon members.
Thank you so much for your research and presentation. Rosemary was probably a lively and vivacious woman and her father probably didn't like her being so outgoing and had her labeled "hysterical"...
Well written, informative, and tragic. I love the visuals, too. Rosemary Kennedy probably wouldn't conform to her father's way of doing things and he had her brain butchered, but they went too far. She was hidden from everybody out of shame, although I think JFK Jr., and one of her sisters visited her fairly regularly. Also sad about Jane Fonda's mother and Zelda Fitzgerald.
Hi Oddity, I just want to say that this is one of my favorite videos from you so far! I love that you included different stories in relation to the hospital. It adds more significance to the hospital. Though I do feel sad for those who didn't make it out of the hospital alive. While I am glad that more people are opening up the conversation on "mental disorders," I feel that in general, there are ways to go, especially here in the United States, where people are often overworked and the type of care that you would receive depends on how much money you have in your pockets rather than on the content of your character. The South I would say is the worst when it comes to mental health because physiatrists in general don't like the idea of having to treat both children and adults as equals, within reason, obviously. I remember trying to go to Southern therapists for help in the past and most either lied about wanting to get my parents to help me understand how their fear tactics and anxiety of me not making it in the world as a hardworking, responsible artist have hurt me during my young adult years or don't like that I felt that in order for the world to be a better place, then within reason, we as humans should all treat each other as if we are each other's keepers as churches would often advocate. Pretty ironic that I received such criticism since Christianity is dominant in the South, huh? Not to mention that most of my previous therapists practiced Christianity so yeah, the logic is broken. I don't want to go off on too much of a tangent so to close what I need to say, I just want to say thanks again for another awesome video and I hope to see more like this! I also would like to hear from the person who bravely volunteered to help you create this story and do the research on the hospital. Oh, and I do love your version of "Mr. Sandman." It's very beautiful and haunting. :)
I didn’t know some of the details you shared in each story. Rosemary’s story is so tragic. And I can’t understand how a woman could possibly delay childbirth. Her father would’ve been in the waiting room anyway. Horrific.
The way you told the story is both sad and beautiful. I felt terrible for Rosemary I think because I can relate to her. My daughter is developmentally delayed, of course, I would've never thought to put my child in an institution. This is just so sad 😔 Thank you Oddie for all the kindness you put into telling us this story.
Another wonderfully creepy tale! Oh,my, the EVP sessions that might be taken... Poor Rosemary. I read that she was promiscuous as a teen and her father was appalled.Joe Kennedy, also promiscuous, wanted to squelch Rosemarys behavior.
I’ve always questioned the story of Rosemary’s birth, anyone who has ever had a baby knows you can’t cross your legs and stop contractions. It’s blaming the mother for what was possibly a genetic abnormality. The Dr that performed the lobotomy was violent and reckless.
That happened to my Grandmother...the doctor wasn't there, the nurse crossed my grandmother's legs and sat on them until the doctor came! Not at my Grandmother's request or anything. My poor Uncle was then very disabled and only lived to 6 years old. Very sad.
I just loved every single thing about this story! The editing was very nice, loved the little addition of those beautiful fluttering Butterfly's! I personally love butterfly's. I think they are a good omen. What a beautiful sanitorium. Such stories of the rich & famous. That picture of Jane Fonda's mother, because that was little Jane Fonda, she still has those beautiful lips to this day & I believe she is in her 80's! It was so sad about the Kennedy woman, when no one visited her. I too, teared up alittle when she recognized her mother! Amazing! Thank you for this brilliant episode, dear Oddie! Your work that you do is fantastic! Have a wonderful day with the people you love:)))
It's sad that all the doctors at that time allowed stuff like this to happen to their patients. I'm glad there is more appropriate medicines and therapies to mitigate mental illness. I am still in awe of your animations!!! It combines historical photos with modern day technology. It is especially interesting that the pictures still retain that historical look.
Fascinating. I live in NYS and have never heard of Craig House. They don't really tell this story about Rosemary Kennedy in the States, and especially about Rose and the birth. Thanks so much, Oddie.
interesting video, 1 thing i would like to say is that the opening 23 seconds are of a place on Scotland (uk) called craig house, been here recently working and its crazy to see dining room still looks the same.
As always an absolute magnificent work of art 😊 Thank you, guys!❤ This makes me think about my fathers mother, who suffers from bipolar disorder, when she was a patient at S:t Lars mental hospital i Sweden. This because in one of the pictures you see a patient getting "old fasion" ECT, which my grandmother was also treated with.
Joe Kennedy was a first class bast**jj! He was such an evil man. My he rot in hell. Such a sad story. Thank you for your story. I have missed you dear Oddie. I wish I could afford to pay for patron. Love to you and Mrs Oddie. Be safe my friend. 💕
In beginning of their marriage Jackie found out JFK was cheating she threw a fit..he had her admitted to hospital for electric shock...thinking it would calm her down..
A few puffs on the ol' pipe and I got to thinking. The Craig House sounds an awful like today's "celebrity" rehabs. Your exceptional presentation (as always) has given me much to ponder. I thank you, good sir :)
OMG Oddie! 🤗 These Videos are So Eloquently and Beautifully put together! 🌹 Thank You So Very, very much!!! You Dear Sir have made my Saturday much Brighter! ✝️💜☮️👀
You have the most unique & interesting channel on TH-cam! And I feel so sorry for all the young ladies that were the focus of this film I wish they could have gotten the help they really needed…
My grandfather told me there was nothing wrong with her, she was very out going and wanted to live life. They locked her up to control her but she keep getting out so they sent her away, after that she was still too independent, so they lobotomize her. So she could not ruin the family Reputation. I believe my Grandfather.
I believe this claim too. I did some personal digging.
He passed his mistresses down to the sons, and also visited brothels with them! As men, the Kennedys were still passing down their mistresses to each other! They were messes, and deserved their miseries!
I hope Joe is in burning in Hell right now for all the evil he bestowed on so many people......
Her father was a monster
I, too, would have to agree with your grandfather. The lobotomy, as anyone nowadays knows and if those who knew Rosemary had the chance to interact with her after the procedure, they too would have been able to see the disastrous effects it causes. So, despite Joseph not really knowing or understanding the probable outcome of the procedure, one he approved and coerced Rosemary to go ahead with the lobotomy which ruined his daughter and had stole the spark of life from behind her eyes, his choices thereafter are what, to me, speak the most loudly as to his character. Once he realized the life his daughter was fated endure, and at his own hands, whether he did so partially out of guilt or not - he most certainly did so out of his fear the embarrassment he felt she'd bring to him - the fact that he hid her away, even going as far as keeping her location a secret from her immediate family, such as her mother and siblings, in my opinion, that tells me all I need to know about Joseph Kennedy and the selfish, monster in human form that he was. If he could ruin his daughter as he did while trying to 'fix' her and then upon realizing the means which he chose to go about 'fixing' her didn't result in a manner which he found acceptable, he turned a blind eye at her entire existence. To the point that he had his secretary 'clean up his mess' by, in effect, sweeping her under the rug with the hope that people would forget she ever existed. So, yeah, there's no doubt in my mind that if he could do that to that beautiful little girl turned lovely, elegant young lady, he could certainly torture her under the guise of medical necessity with the hope of forcing her to eventually submit and conform. So sad, really.
Poor , dear Rosemary - a very sad story !
Joseph would have been kinder to kill her outright, rather than destroying her gradually. His actions are the true shame, not his daughter. At least most people today can recognize that!
"Ransacking of her brain" is an excellent description! Poor Woman!
How Heartless, and Cruel, to keep Rosemary so Isolated, and the Surgery was so Devastating to her! My God!
GrandDad HATED "Old Joe" Kennedy and he didn't even know this story. GrandDad knew! Thanks for the vid, Oddie!!!! Excellent as always!
Much appreciated Lawrence!
Yes, if folks would just read the full and true history of the family they would be shocked. It amazes me how everyone always put them on a pedestal.
All three of these cases tug at the heartstrings, don't they? Thank you, Oddie, for another wonderful journey 💕
I appreciate that, thank you so much Cindy ☺️🙏
Thank you, Rosemary was a victim of her father's narcissistic personality, very sad indeed.
How true. And he only married Rose because of her political clout.
@@hchayes9431 And her family!!!
Her mother was just as guilty.
@@bonniebrown6960 Supposedly Joe never talked to his wife about setting up the lobotomy.
Rosemary Kennedy’s story was particularly horrific. As if it was not bad enough that her disability was totally avoidable, she was lobotomized because her behaviour was not only inconvenient but a blemish on the family image. And finally she was denied any family comfort because no one in the family other than the father knew where she was. The family had the resources to allow her to stay at home under full time care but their image was too important. As a whole, the family didn’t try hard enough but the father was despicable.
But being serial adulterers was ok😡
@@Dulcimertunes And moonshiners in the day. Politics should be considered Criminal as well.
Rosemary Kennedy had two older brothers who were sexually active but rosemary was a female that could ruin the family reputation. Did you know miss Lillian Carter was Joseph Kennedy secretary until she got pregnant. She left to have baby Jimmy Carter. Jimmy has the Kennedy jaw line.
Sexual abuse effects the brain
@@waynejones205had an Uber driver once that said his Grandfather assisted Joe Kennedy in his bootlegging days. Told me he helped with the transport of the liquor. Not sure how true it is, but it was still a pretty cool story.
@@dominiquechristine Wow! IDK how long Kennedy was active in moonshining, but God Bless if he's still driving safely at such an age!! Uber is like my old Limo/Sedan days, I started in May of this year. :)
Joe Kennedy never consulted Rose on any aspect of Rosemary's treatment. She never forgave him.
Omg
@@katjagolden893the comment is about Rose, his wife, Rosemary’s mother. His wife was not consulted. His daughter was the victim of the lobotomy.
This was very interesting and disturbing At the same time. It's really sad what happened to Rosemary Kennedy. There's no way I let someone give My child a lobotomy. Enjoy your weekend 👍🏽😃. There were some very famous people At the Craig House.👏🏾👏🏾
Delaying birth by squeezing legs together as if (excuse my crassness) 'prarie-dogging' a "#2" so the family's obstetrician could be there in time leading to the poor newborn suffering irreparable harm is both ignorant and depraved. Granted, there are modern meds available for medical professionals these days - from mid-wives to EMTs and doctors, but even in many cultures there are means to do so centuries back. It's barbaric.
I’m so glad that Mr Ron from Faces of the Forgotten linked your TH-cam channel! Yes he was so correct that all of your videos were over the top creative and very interesting. You’re narrating the stories just make them fabulous! Thanks for all your hard work ❤ Nidya from Texas Blessings
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Rosemary was a lovely young Lady. Lobotomies are Horrifying!!💔💔💔
Well done. Always good to see your videos on TH-cam. Rosemary Kennedy was swept under the rug and forgotten. She's not the only one. Her story is quite a bit more famous due to her family's name. At the end of her life, she was taken to her remaining family's home. I do hope she found some solace in her last years.
Wasn't Rosemarys mother when giving birth to her told to keep her legs closed waiting for the Dr that cause rosemary to be denied oxygen? Can cause brain damage
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Sadly that did happen.
Then her 'dad' did what he did.
Karma-- 'Daddy' -- had a big stroke -- his mind was ok but his body was pretty much useless & he could no longer even talk.
What goes around, comes around I guess.
@@ruthshelton-tp9ie yes my step family is related to the Kennedys. The part I never knew which caused it was about her birthing and having been oxygen starved
I believe her sisters Pat& Jean " rescued her" from the institution she was in and she knew them but sadly the botched procedure left her with No speech. No may much to communicate. Medications to " control her" left her fat and I know she suffered greatly.
The Early days of different ways to treat mental illness were nothing more than cruel experimentations. Today is not much better with constant stigma attached to the disease of the mind which most " Doctors" tend to ignore , especially in Women as anxiety, or Hysteria. Post Partum Depression after one or multiple one after another pregnancies is A grevious condition that most people and professionals pawn off to other maladies or ignore completely. Pay attention Everyone to drastic changes in personality and odd behaviors after a birthday. And fircGidcSake men ,stop having one baby after another to " grow" your "Quiver full" household. Children ARENT Vegetables..you put someone you profess to live thru immoral hell by doing this.
I do, too.
For Rosemary, a life definitely stolen. I think for her father to make such a drastic decision and be so secretive about it, going as far as keeping it from his own wife tells me there may have been something more that he was hiding. She didn't look that mentally disturbed to me. She may have went through a rebellious patch but I don't think a lobotomy was the answer. Her father made a permanent decision that ultimately changed her life for the rest of her days, that was very selfish of him. Then hid her from the rest of the family, so sad. He was never even held accountable by anyone for his mistake. Mrs. Fonda and Mrs. Fitzgerald is a different kinda tragedy but also sad. And as always I enjoyed the video, thank you 😊.
Rosemary's father , could have been a perv. I was thinking maybe he hid her for that. Idk just a guess.
Latter on 'daddy' had a major stroke, he's mind was then stuck in a pretty much useless bodie.
Normally I'd feel sorry for a person going through that but maybe it's wrong to say, I think he got exactly what he deserved after the things he did.
@@ruthshelton-tp9ie Not until he had lived a good life unfortunately, something he denied his daughter. He was a thoroughly unpleasant man all round from what I have read about him.
@@janetpendlebury6808
Sadly, so true.
But still, I think his last year's weren't all that pleasent. We can only wonder if he was ever sorry for what he'd done to his daughter.
He lost many of his children.
His 1st son & a daughter Katherine to planes, Rosemary, his son that he pushed to become president after ther 1st son died, John was shot & killed.
I don't remember if he was alive when Bobby was shot & killed or if he was alive during the car/girl being left to drowned by drunk Teddy Kennedy thing happened.
So four of the kids died, two to planes, two to being shot, Rosemary after that awful brain operation & dumping her like trash -- that's five of his kids gone I think while he was still alive. I could be wrong.
JFK's son & crew died in a plane crash. I think the plane was tampered with to do so -- so JFK Jr couldn't run for president. Notice he died shortly AFTER Jackie his mother died.
Maybe the whole family is deceased now. But we can't change the past.
I like to believe that Rosemary is in a much better place, no more pain & whole again.
Who in their right mind would try to stop a baby from coming is beyond me. 'Mom & dad' had a big hand in poor Rosemary's hard life. To think that even WITH that beyond awful operation that Rosemary STILL KNEW HER MOM -- and probably wondered why she hadn't been there for her. Very, very, very sad indeed, but hopefully she's with God and happy now. Hopefully all that suffered in those awful places are in a better place.
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I worte a replay but got a message stating 'sgin in to post'.
Yeah he had many years of the high life BUT he lost the 1s son & a daughter Katherine to planes, Rosemary to what he'd done to her, both JFK & Bobby were shot & killed-- that's 5 kids. Teddy & the the girl drowning thing-- don't know if the dad was around for all that but still he sure had time to think about what he'd done to Rosemary, & for pushing his son's to become president.
How the mom not have the child when it was trying to be born is beyond me.
We can't change the past and one good thing came about-- The Special Olympics --
Wow, I remember being in labor. How you could bear to “hold a baby in” for two hours is beyond me. Must have been awful!
She put herself through it, and didn't suffer the consequences for it she deserved whatever pain it caused. Her daughter didn't.
Is that possible
To give you some background, the Kings and Queens of Europe were actually puppets for the Christian Church. Their nurses had more power than they did, because they were appointed by the Church and had hands-on access to these monarchs with plenty of oops latitude. Sometimes these nurses just savagely demonstrated their absolute power and at least one infant King's son died in a sportive baby-tossing incident. This nurse probably treated the Kennedys much the same way for whatever reason.
Awful & COMPLETELY STUPID. Like, why in fk would someone do that? Go against Nature twice: “hold baby in” during labor so a MALE doctor can tell you what to do?! Make it make sense pls
Stupidity in medicine has always existed. I know a family that has a retarded daughter because the mother was told to keep her legs together & WAIT for a bloody doctor. That was in the late 50s or so. The white coats hypnotize people & fear they spew creates innumerable medical problems that are written off as something other than flat out malpractice - it's disgusting.
I love the way your videos seem to transport me to another place & time. My heart breaks for the patients & the torturous “treatments” they were dealt to “make them better”.
Hope everyone has a good weekend. Thank you, Oddie!
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That was a very intense story. That Hospital was more like a Resort, oh my! I never knew that about Jane Fonda's mother, Rosemary Kennedy, and the Fitzgerald's. You did an excellent job producing this. I think it would make a good big screen movie (names would be changed of course.) Have a wonderful day!:))
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Thank you for this video! I would love to see you do a video on the life of Zelda Fitzgerald. I would say she definitely lived an interesting, but tragic life. She was a Southern debutant who got to hob-knob with some of the top names of the era, yet had to deal with her husband’s abuse and alcoholism. What is worse, he plagiarized a good deal of her private writings for his books. He was a driving factor in her mental illness, and her death was horrendous and shocking. She certainly meets all the criteria of an Oddie’s video! Again, thank you for the amazing storytelling. Cheers!
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I didn't know that. Very interesting. As a woman who was married to an abuser, I can see that happening. It's good to know that his books are actually Zelda's. I remember in a literature class in high school that we discussed how he wrote from a "woman's point of view". Now I know why!! Thank you for commenting.
I’ve read she plagiarized HIM!
@joyful_tanya his books are not "actually hers". That is not what the comment said at all. It said he "plagiarized " some of her writing. Which is not correct either. He did get ideas from her diaries. Also when she gave birth to Scottie she said "I hope she's a fool" or something like that. He used that in the Great Gatsby. She said a lot of witty quips that he used. ALL writers pull from people they know. That's not plagiarism. Hemingway based many of his characters off his friends and barely bothered to disguise their identities. You can read Save Me the Waltz that Zelda wrote. Compare that to Scott's novels. He was an extremely talented writer. The prose and words were his
A little bit more about Rosemary Kennedy... Because she acted "child like" before the horrific lobotomy, she would be "one of the guys." She enjoyed driving, going to parties and being what we all think teenagers should do. The father thought she was "staining their families name." He wanted her to get married and settle down. She refused as she still wanted to have fun. He (the father) had her taken to the Craig House in the middle of the night and told her mother for a long time and everyone else that she had finally just ran off. 😮
Wished there were more Dr Slocum's attitude ( obviously not completely)today. Apparently it takes a week for every day you are hospitalised to recover from the whole dreadful experience ( ive been in hospital too many times to say so yes i know). What a tragic history.
And it’s $15,000 a week or more instead of $150.
This is so sad for all that died in this hospital. Joe Kennedy was an awful man in my opinion. Rosemary was beautiful and in her pics never looked as anything was wrong with her. Maybe she was not as intelligent as her brothers and that was not acceptable to him. How can a mother not know where her daughter was. This is insane!
It’s hard to comprehend how Rose Kennedy having already had children could even consider closing her legs on the advice of a nurse and causing Rosemary such trauma. Aside from the likelihood that she must have experienced extreme pain, I can’t make my mind up whether Rose was naive, or darn right selfishly careless. As for how both parents treated Rosemary in later years…I won’t go there as what ide have to say is unsuitable for the channel. 😤
Patrick the father had a lobotomy done on Rosemary without even telling his wife 😮😢
@@allisonoconnor8055 aware of that. Cruel patents imho.
@@allisonoconnor8055 I think he got pay back later though with his health!
@@rachaelghostcat8584 yes good iam glad karma got him
They were a product of their times. They made decisions based on the times.
In time, people will look back at this era and think "wtah were they thinking!?",I guarantee that.
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Aww, our Oddie. Brilliant, as usual. Your videos fall into three categories. 1). Brilliant 2). Superb 3). Fantastic 😊❤
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Completely agree with your category rankings, Oddie never disappoints
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You've made my day with another well put together true story.
Thanks for being the best Mr Oddy. Have a wonderful day and keep safe 😊
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Horribly sad about Rosemary. Joe's influence over his family was such that she wasn't brought back into the fold, until he was incapacitated.
Sad and fascinating video.
Hes one helluva ??????. What was he. He wasnt a father.
My heart breaks for Rosemary 💔 🌹. She was failed by doctors starting from her horrible birth....only to be lobotomized and regress mentally to a very young child when she was in her early 20s? I believe? The fact that her parents were ashamed by her and so hid her from the public is awful! She must’ve been so lonely and confused as to why her siblings never visited her....
She truly was a beauty. I often wonder what her life would’ve been like had she not had the operation.....
I knew of her story (I identify with her as I was similar as a teenager....moody and wild) but I didn’t know of her sexual abuse! It is sickening to think of all the people who suffer with mental illness or disability that are victims of abuse!
Rest in paradise sweet Rosemary 🌹. You will always be my favorite Kennedy. ❤️
Joseph was the one who thought Rosemary needed the lobotomy and had her put away against his wife's wishes, Joseph didn't even consult her and she never forgave him for it.
The family was cursed by their fathers own ambition
Young adults are treated as underage infants who have no rights. Legal age should be lowered to 14.
Thanks Oddie Beau for posting this on regular TH-cam!! You're the best 🥰✌🏼🤍
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Oh, Thank you, Dear Oddie! This came right on time. You've made my work load feel lighter this morning. Have a great day! ☺️
I’m happy to hear that Shelley, I hope you enjoy it!
@@ObsoleteOddity Enjoyed it immensely! Absolutely fascinating! The photos are breathtaking! The best part, in my humble opinion, is the whole historical aspect. Lady Jane Seymour. Wow! 😎
@@shelleyfowler8064 Very much appreciated my friend ☺️
Another great video! Rosemary’s story was completely heartbreaking. For some reason it was more sad than lots of your murder story videos.
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It still blows my mind that for years they never realized, by sticking anything in the brain would help things🙄💥🪛🤯I love your channel. 💚🌼💚
Watch people line up for brain implants.
You tube is not the same without you I really am interested in the stories you tell us, your channel needs no improvement I am so glad you are part of my you tube watch list, always a perfect delivery, send my regards to your Odette.this information about the kennedy i did not know the whole story of the kennedy baby this is an amazing story
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Oooh cool it's an episode ❤ Thank you!!!!! Omg Oddie I'm going to have nightmares from this horrific story 😢😮
Whenever I have run across an article about Rosemary, I automatically think, “Poor dear.” Such a sad story. And , yes, when you see photos of her, with that beautiful smile she seems so vivacious, that it’s hard to think of her as mentally handicapped (until the later years, when her face definitely shows signs of a difficult life). Hers is such a tragic story.
The later years where she looked so broken was the result of having that lobotomy. That doctor cut into her brain and had no idea what he was doing and Joseph allowed it.
What a wonderful day it is to wake up to a new Oddie video!
This one was so intriguing, yet so sad and depressing at the same time. I had heard of the tragic story of Rosemary Kennedy, but not to this extent. Imagine being in childbirth, yet holding back to wait for the doctor! How could they not know this would harm a baby?
There is a movie based on the life of Zelda Fitzgerald called "Z". Definitely worth checking out.
Thank you so much, Oddie, for another masterpiece that will linger with me for a long time!
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Hello Oddie! I saw this one on Patreon last year, but just yesterday I was watching a documentary about the psycho-surgeon who performed those lobotomies. The thought of what was done to Rosemary makes my head explode! Such a barbaric practice, so many lives ruined.
Yes it’s absolutely terrifying and disgusting, that families and medical professionals could get away with such atrocities back then, and it be classed as justifiable medical procedure.
There have been quite a few people complimenting your fantastic artwork!
What a sad and tragic tale! Beautifully told. Thank you, Oddie.
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Wonderful video - your voice is so perfect for this. I love the way you animate still pictures, it's so eerie and fascinating! :)
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That was an amazing story. Wow😮 All those sad or suffering people affected by ignorance. And pride and prejudice😢😢😢. Narrator's delivery is 100%. Photos that come alive for a moment. Always the best with absolute oddities 😊
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By the way it is ObsoleteOddity - not absolute, there are a lot of other copycats who are using the word “oddity” or “absolute” in their username, to confuse people.
Well done oddie! I really enjoyed this one. So many sad stories associated with these places.
Thank you so much! 😊
Thanks again, Oddie for the video of the highest quality. Please keep making and uploading, as I will ALWAYS be here to watch them. Thanks, stay safe, and have a great day!
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Every time I come across a photo of Rosemary Kennedy, I can't get over how beautiful she was. She looks exactly like you described her; pretty, sweet, social & had many suitors. It's really heartbreaking and infuriating how a prominent family (basically her father) was more concerned about their image than his daughter. You would think Rosemary's family would push the father to tell them exactly where she was, but apparently, no one really cared enough about her. I wouldn't be surprised if that was their cover story, and at the very least the mom knew where she was.
Brilliant as always Oddie, thank you! I hadn't heard the sad stories of Zelda or Jane Fonda's Mother before. And now it seems the physical buildings are beginning to match the emotional energy of the place and its former residents, abandoned, left in sad isolation
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What a Very Sad history that Hospital has. Rest In Peace to the Patients 🥀🥀🥀🥀🙏🙏🙏🙏🕊️🕊️🕊️🕊️
Another great video. I truly enjoyed how you captured both the tradjedies of Rosemary and Zelda in an honest look at how society changed the outcome of their lives. Thank you for always giving a rich and well researched video!😊
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So happy I suggested this story, you did a fantastic job with what I had written. The Craig's House is now being turned into a luxury resort. I feel it's probably haunted, but am curious to go there whenever it's completed.
Thanks for your kind words Suzanne , that's so nice of you.
Oh dear what a sad story. Such a treat to watch and listen a feast for the eyes and ears. You surely must have awards for your skills all that goes into your videos is beyond amazing. Thank you from me and all your followers.
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I live an hour from Asheville NC where The Highland Hospital was located. The city has "adopted" Zelda as one of their own. Her presence is felt very strongly there. Some of her artwork is part of the permanent collection at the Asheville Art Museum & every year, the week of March 10 (the anniversary of her death in the fire) is declared Zelda Fitzgerald Week & all around town events (like lectures, art shows & concerts) are held inspired by her life, her art, her writings & her effect on Scott's writings & on the Jazz Age.
This was an excellent look at an approach to mental health care. In the case of Rosemary Kennedy, being born “imperfect” to what amounted to American Royalty back then was an embarrassment to be hidden.
She might have suffered bipolar disorder, which could account for the outbursts and mood swings. Once a botched lobotomy was performed, there was no going back, and she was a casualty of her Father’s ambition.
I think the original concept of helping people through conversation, physical activity, and fine dining was a good one for many conditions, and batter than most places offered. Love the drunken Oddie artwork. Thank you for this sad but interesting look at a historical site. Much love.🖤🇨🇦
Thank you Tamarra, and thank you so much for your very interesting insights.
Yes I think that was absolutely tragic regarding Rosemary Kennedy, and I cannot believe that her parents slept soundly at night knowing what they did to her.
@@ObsoleteOddity I’m not sure her Father lost much sleep over it to be honest. He was a cold blooded man with a plan. Since she wasn’t useful as a marriage pawn, he would simply want her unseen and largely forgotten. I suspect it was harder on her Mother, but she didn’t really have a voice.🖤🇨🇦
Very sad 😞
Bipolar is a mood disorder so people think that means moody but its about having low moods (depression) that can last for months or year's and then you have the high moods where you don't sleep for day's/ make bad decisions ect but i think with her she was just free spirited and string willed and they didn't like it
19:40 You made me chuckle when I saw this photo of the Grove Park Inn. Also in Asheville NC The Grove Park Inn is less than 4 miles from The (haunted) Highland @ 450 Montford Ave, Asheville, North Carolina The Grove has always been a grand hotel. I had the privilege of staying there for a week back in 1974. It has 5🌟 excellence and every amenity. Your video brought back lots of memories of the area. Vanderbilt’s Biltmore, Pisgah National Forest and the Asheville Art Museum. I guess your video came across the newsfeed because of the tragedy in Asheville and the surrounding communities. Praying for them is on the daily here in the states.
Thanks Oddie
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Very glad you enjoyed it, and that it brought you such pleasant memories.
Oddie, an outstanding video!! Well done!! ❤️❤️👏🏼👏🏼
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Hi my friend Have a beautiful day looking forward to the next video 😁✌️
Same thing happened to my sister. Had to move back from the UK after the parental units passed to take care of her. Step up to the plate and do what needs to be done. In Alabama as well.
I Love all of Oddies cases they are all great with excellent content and I Love his story telling
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Somber and complex subject matter, yet hauntingly beautiful. Thank you. Every soul that passed through those halls, no doubt has an interesting story of its own.
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Another great video! Always feel like I'm stepping back in time with your videos, whether its the music and photos or your storytelling. Thank you 😊
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I stayed in a psychiatric hospital that was haunted. It was very old and held memories. I had one incident in particular when a nurse heard something I did. I think it's safe to say all psychiatric hospitals have paranormal activity though there could be a scientific reason.
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I think one of the saddest parts about these is the medical ignorance. Had they known she would be deprived of oxygen as a baby... had they known the true effects of a lobotomy.... Where we are today is thanks to these poor souls who suffered.
Exactly. My mother was knocked out to birth me in 1967!! Insanity.
@@joyful_tanya Hello, Tanya! From 1950 until the early 1970's "twilight sleep" was used in the US and other countries during birth. I was born in 1954 in Texas. My mom told me about it when I was around 5. She remembers:
* labor pains
* being wheeled into the brightly lit hospital operating room
* getting the substance injected into her
* pooping
* apologizing for pooping
* hearing "That's OK, honey, we'll clean you up."
* nothing
* some screaming baby (ME!) being put up to her face
* hearing "Congratulations! It's a girl."
* being wheeled back to her room.
* Dads were in a waiting room and their first view was from behind the glass of the nursery. The babies were in their bassinets ID'ed with their last name and the gender. My dad was "let" into her room later on.
So, she wasn't completely knocked out. Because it was just the way things were done back then, she doesn't feel she missed anything. She can't connect anything "bad" that happened to her in later life to the birth.
There's a LOT of people running around now who were born using this method. Lots of Baby Boomers including yours truly and we seem to be sort of OK. 😊
Twilight sleep had been replaced by epidurals by the time my age group were having their babies (early 70's to mid 80's).
I was really immersed in this story. Poor Rosemary and everyone else that was there. Thank you Odie
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God bless you, Oddie! I so love when you post on TH-cam! 💕
Thank you 😊
Me too ❤ Thank you dear Oddie ❤
Me three 😅
What fascinating stories! Every single one could be expanded into its own stand alone episode. The feeling that we barely skimmed the surface is palpable. Brilliant work, per usual...best channel on TH-cam, IMHO. May they acknowledge your talents and support your channel for the treasures that they truly offer. Sending lovely blessings from North Carolina, USA! ❤️
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Thank you so much for your research and presentation. Rosemary was probably a lively and vivacious woman and her father probably didn't like her being so outgoing and had her labeled "hysterical"...
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Well written, informative, and tragic. I love the visuals, too. Rosemary Kennedy probably wouldn't conform to her father's way of doing things and he had her brain butchered, but they went too far. She was hidden from everybody out of shame, although I think JFK Jr., and one of her sisters visited her fairly regularly. Also sad about Jane Fonda's mother and Zelda Fitzgerald.
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Another great episode. Always look forward to new stories, told as only you can tell them.
Hi Oddity, I just want to say that this is one of my favorite videos from you so far! I love that you included different stories in relation to the hospital. It adds more significance to the hospital. Though I do feel sad for those who didn't make it out of the hospital alive. While I am glad that more people are opening up the conversation on "mental disorders," I feel that in general, there are ways to go, especially here in the United States, where people are often overworked and the type of care that you would receive depends on how much money you have in your pockets rather than on the content of your character.
The South I would say is the worst when it comes to mental health because physiatrists in general don't like the idea of having to treat both children and adults as equals, within reason, obviously. I remember trying to go to Southern therapists for help in the past and most either lied about wanting to get my parents to help me understand how their fear tactics and anxiety of me not making it in the world as a hardworking, responsible artist have hurt me during my young adult years or don't like that I felt that in order for the world to be a better place, then within reason, we as humans should all treat each other as if we are each other's keepers as churches would often advocate. Pretty ironic that I received such criticism since Christianity is dominant in the South, huh? Not to mention that most of my previous therapists practiced Christianity so yeah, the logic is broken.
I don't want to go off on too much of a tangent so to close what I need to say, I just want to say thanks again for another awesome video and I hope to see more like this! I also would like to hear from the person who bravely volunteered to help you create this story and do the research on the hospital. Oh, and I do love your version of "Mr. Sandman." It's very beautiful and haunting. :)
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Wow this was excellent! Thank you so much!❤️
Glad you enjoyed it!
I didn’t know some of the details you shared in each story. Rosemary’s story is so tragic. And I can’t understand how a woman could possibly delay childbirth. Her father would’ve been in the waiting room anyway. Horrific.
This was fascinating. Loved it. Well done Oddity
Thank you Mary
The way you told the story is both sad and beautiful. I felt terrible for Rosemary I think because I can relate to her. My daughter is developmentally delayed, of course, I would've never thought to put my child in an institution. This is just so sad 😔 Thank you Oddie for all the kindness you put into telling us this story.
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@@ObsoleteOddity you're more than welcome 🙏
Very well researched and intriguing. Not heard of this facility before. Thankyou Oddy!!
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Good day, Oddie! 🙋☺️🌞🍀 How's your Saturday going? Thank You!
Much appreciated 🙏
Another wonderfully creepy tale! Oh,my, the EVP sessions that might be taken...
Poor Rosemary. I read that she was promiscuous as a teen and her father was appalled.Joe Kennedy, also promiscuous, wanted to squelch Rosemarys behavior.
I’ve always questioned the story of Rosemary’s birth, anyone who has ever had a baby knows you can’t cross your legs and stop contractions. It’s blaming the mother for what was possibly a genetic abnormality.
The Dr that performed the lobotomy was violent and reckless.
That happened to my Grandmother...the doctor wasn't there, the nurse crossed my grandmother's legs and sat on them until the doctor came! Not at my Grandmother's request or anything. My poor Uncle was then very disabled and only lived to 6 years old. Very sad.
@@madmadjennythe nurse must not of done that to your grandmother for long or the baby would of been un alived
Oddy; this is awesome. Joe Kennedy should be ashamed of himself.
Seems like forever since I have been able to see and hear your productions. Thank you Sir Oddie♡◇♡◇♡◇♡
Thank you 🙏
@@ObsoleteOddity blessings my ever so hard working friend. May God bless♡
You did it again oddity; love hearing your stories can’t wait to hear the next one
Thanks for your very kind feedback - much appreciated 😊
It’s raining outside & this was the perfect video! Very interesting topic
Thank you 😊
Many patients Committed Suicide?? Dear God in Heaven!! What was happening there???!!!
Poignant and heartbreaking. I love your vids Oddy.
I really appreciate that, thank you.
Another wonderful story by you Oddie. None does it better. Looking forward to the next one. Thank you.
That's very kind of you, thank you for that.
I miss your uploads so bad!!! ❤I' was so excited when I saw this notification. 🎉
I hope you enjoy it Aubrey, thank you 🙏
I just loved every single thing about this story! The editing was very nice, loved the little addition of those beautiful fluttering Butterfly's! I personally love butterfly's. I think they are a good omen. What a beautiful sanitorium. Such stories of the rich & famous. That picture of Jane Fonda's mother, because that was little Jane Fonda, she still has those beautiful lips to this day & I believe she is in her 80's! It was so sad about the Kennedy woman, when no one visited her. I too, teared up alittle when she recognized her mother! Amazing! Thank you for this brilliant episode, dear Oddie! Your work that you do is fantastic! Have a wonderful day with the people you love:)))
I’m very happy to hear that Cristine, thank you so much for your kind feedback.
Next month will be a haunting month on my channel!
Hi Oddie, I think it's safe to say, all sanitariums were sad, unjust and at times Evil. Moving story ❤
It's sad that all the doctors at that time allowed stuff like this to happen to their patients. I'm glad there is more appropriate medicines and therapies to mitigate mental illness.
I am still in awe of your animations!!! It combines historical photos with modern day technology. It is especially interesting that the pictures still retain that historical look.
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Fascinating. I live in NYS and have never heard of Craig House. They don't really tell this story about Rosemary Kennedy in the States, and especially about Rose and the birth. Thanks so much, Oddie.
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Its all over the internet now! Cant hide things now. Everythings online.
Good morning and thank you
This is so well-produced and informative. Thanks for posting it!
Glad you enjoyed it!
interesting video, 1 thing i would like to say is that the opening 23 seconds are of a place on Scotland (uk) called craig house, been here recently working and its crazy to see dining room still looks the same.
As always an absolute magnificent work of art 😊 Thank you, guys!❤
This makes me think about my fathers mother, who suffers from bipolar disorder, when she was a patient at S:t Lars mental hospital i Sweden. This because in one of the pictures you see a patient getting "old fasion" ECT, which my grandmother was also treated with.
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Joe Kennedy was a first class bast**jj! He was such an evil man. My he rot in hell.
Such a sad story. Thank you for your story. I have missed you dear Oddie. I wish I could afford to pay for patron. Love to you and Mrs Oddie. Be safe my friend. 💕
Thank you so much for reaching out with your kind feedback.
I never could understand why anyone considered the Kennedys so special. Nothing about any of them impressed me much.
In beginning of their marriage Jackie found out JFK was cheating she threw
a fit..he had her admitted to hospital for electric shock...thinking it would calm her down..
Bas**jj? Whats that? Oh, you must mean bastard! Say what you mean!
I love the artwork!
A few puffs on the ol' pipe and I got to thinking. The Craig House sounds an awful like today's "celebrity" rehabs. Your exceptional presentation (as always) has given me much to ponder. I thank you, good sir :)
Thanks, Suzanne!!
Thank you so much Laura, very glad you enjoyed the presentation and hope you enjoyed the puffs of the ol‘ pipe just as much!
I love the drawing by your friend Amy. Sad story. What Doctor's used to do to folks.
OMG Oddie! 🤗 These Videos are So Eloquently and Beautifully put together! 🌹 Thank You So Very, very much!!! You Dear Sir have made my Saturday much Brighter! ✝️💜☮️👀
I really appreciate that, thank you.
@@ObsoleteOddity Your Welcome and Have a Blessed Sunday! ✌️
You have the most unique & interesting channel on TH-cam! And I feel so sorry for all the young ladies that were the focus of this film I wish they could have gotten the help they really needed…
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So heartbreaking brought tears to my eyes what rosemary went through all that time poor woman 😢
Enjoyed, great to know about Rose , and the other greats of the time.
This was a good job as always thank you