It's cool that the 1.4.4 update forces the player to use other summons besides blade/sanguine. Post plantera summons are much better now, I especially like the new flawless AI of xeno staff. With all this and the whips buffs, I think the summoner is now more perfect than ever. 1.4.4 is the best update
@@TightPort923 not really, if you look at her mechanics it makes sense to use it up until wof, specially for casual playing. I recommend skimming through the wiki, she's pretty interesting. I wouldn't consider telling shyguy to use it in hardmode if she was as useless as you make her out to be.
Thanks for the tests! I was surprised by some of the results- for example I didn't expect ravens to get such a good time. Looking at these fight all these minions seem viable and pretty well-balanced. But of course it also depends what you are fighting and what setup you use
Thank you for actually fighting the boss. I've seen so many comparisons of people standing still in God mode but the minions won't perform the same when you're moving and dodging the boss. Great video.
Go into the settings of the app causing it, head to notifications, and disable: "allow floating notifications" Don't know much about pc settings or apple's configurations, but that's how it works on Android. Hope it helps
You opened my eyes, thanks for all summoners of this braincrashing machine, I was so confused because my main is ALWAYS summoner and now I know what I can show to my friends
Keep in mind, most bosses are not as mobile as eol, the AI means less for them the more stationary/straight forward the boss movement is. Deadly sphere is pretty good against plantera is what I'm trying to say
Alternative title: SGM trying to flex his 2hu skill against EoL to see how long he can survived without getting hit for his new Double Boss JMMFTW Terraria video
i cant really play summoner (brutally murders my integrated gpu), but this is extremely satisfying to watch. would love to see it with more summons, even if the fight only takes a couple of seconds.
he is using a Dark harvest which is from pumpking moon which need ectoplasm which is post plantera stuft So my guest he didnt felt like he need a celestial emblem cause hes only doing it at night
Btw i will still use sanguine for daytime, cuz it has decent range so i can actually dodge her attacks. And the thing with xeno is op but its optaining method is fuked up
is it? if your biggest problem with the saucer is the laser its quite easy to dodge...(so long as you have an infinite flight be it insignia or broom) just...fly away and switch direction just as it starts to go on your other side, has quite the rhythm to it
I'm trying to blend a style of characters with fashion and one was supposed to be a vampire. A mage type summoner, but the vampire frog staff seems to have a very low dps. Wish Re-logic would make a bat summoner staff with a bit higher dps and heals the owner with a buff like the vampire knives.
@@willsmich506 Yep. In prehm you really want a mix of summons due to independent I frames, so you still use other minions with frog but frog is the best of them. It was complete GARBAGE when it first dropped mostly cause only the tongue had a hitbox (why) but then they changed it and it completely destroys stuff now.
@@spectacularsceptile3879 damn I always just used hornets or imps as I thought the frog was inconsistent, similar to other ground based summons like the pirate and tiki staffs, I’ll definitely give it a go in my next play throughs
@@willsmich506 the prehm ground minions are all amazing! slime staff is the most situational but even it is p good in said situations. the one thing is the ground minions kinda need whip stacking to really shine. since they attack fast but have low base damage every extra stacked whip helps more than it would on imp or hornet.
Deadly sphere staff is really good, i use it to defeat daytime eol with morning star as my whip and still manage to kill her 1.56 minutes and that's beyond my expectations
are you gonna do the same test but on daytime with kaleidoscope and some other eol gear? i want to see how much will change with kaleidoscope on the menu
@@Mutaburasaurus if you mix it, i'm crazy that i use 2 terras, 2 cells, and 3 slots dragons since damage fall-off is a thing for stacking minions like tiger or abigail
Firecracker increases the damage of the next minion hit by 2.75x then needs to be applied again. Tiger attacks more slowly with high damage, making it perfect with Firecracker. Then you have Firecracker + Blade Staff which is an infamously weak anti-synergy combination.
i feel like ravens could've performed even better if they didn't spend a lot of the time trying to follow the player who went out of reach instead of continuing to attack
Some whips give buffs when you use them but have a lower damage because of it, so you then swap to a good damage whip while you have the buff of the other whip, then repeat
Hold on. Wouldn't switching in a Stinger/Sharktooth necklace when using the blade staff (or maybe even the xeno staff due to it's low base damage) yield better results with it's synergy like how you used the firecracker with the desert tiger?
@@terraSpark902 Shark Tooth Necklace is I believe 2-3 more damage per hit. Summoner Emblem increases Blade Staff's base damage by 1-2 but also boosts Whip damage, so it's better.
@@Shyguymask Doesn't the Blade staff specifically have a special interaction with the sharktooth necklace and other sources of armor penetration that let's it get extra damage beyond taking enemy defense past 0
@@terraSpark902 Yes, but that got fixed this update, and besides it would still be 2-3 extra damage per hit when Summoner Emblem would give a bigger boost overall.
@@Shyguymask I kinda felt it while i was teaching my friend in expert mode. I was playing as different classes. First, i was melee in pre-hardmode, then i switched to summoner, and after golem i switched to mage. Yeah, i started to teach my friend in expert, not normal)
Against EoL I think range for whips is not important at all as your summons will be constantly attacking, so I would suggest you using Spooky Armor instead
It can hold up insanely well when attempting to use it to the extreme (3+ whip stacking). It’s kinda like fetid. Sure it does fall off, but with great optimization its still viable against Plantera. Most weapons struggle to last more than one stage of progression in early Hardmode outside of a few specifics.
On daytime tho, NONE, hallowed armor is USELESS, MASTER NINJA GEAR AND Brain of confusion USELESS. Good luck fellow pure summoners, the best you can do now is dark harvest durendal with obsidian armor. Minions won't do much (except blade staff cuz scales better with summon tag damage)
...bud you ok? obsidian tiki and stardust all have same whip range boosts just that obsidian also gives speed, but for the massive lack of damage and summon slots it...ain't great
also xeno does pretty well with such a setup, and against a daytime one oyu most likely would use empress drops I did her without too much problem, 2 attempts failing and on the next morning did it first try
ironically u can equip more accessories/armor for damage on daytime making minions kill her even faster provided you know her patterns and dodge them more or less consistently Ninja Gear is still good, mainly the dash abbility Obsidian armor got nerfed, it would be better to use Tiki, or Spooky for dmg since EoL constantly comes to you. Deadly Sphere worked for me personally, for some reason Ravens had issue catching up but thats prob cause i dodge her mostly vertically
0:01 meant to say Firecracker/Morning Star/Dark Harvest, oops
The.
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i thought that was intentional
how do this crit
@@wisegamer6354 morning star gives crit chance
You know summoner is meme when a "mediocre" kill time using a pre mech minion on a post golem boss is barely a minute long
summoner is like that one friend of yours who says he has a solar powered clothes dryer but it's actually a cloths hanger
@@DukeFishron- ngl true summoner is broken
post-plantera*
@@neckbeardeater682 blade staff(also no Empress is after duke)
@@photonic083 you can fight empress after plantera, Duke doesn’t unlock anything. But yeah still crazy that this premech weapon can even do this well
*sees deadly sphere staff*
"now that's a pretty meme, exquisite!"
me seeing the deadly sphere: "Really?"
deadly sphere performs better than sanguine: 0_0
@@joebidengamingofficialacco1291 I'll always remember it being janky as hell
@@somedude4087it got buffed
@@Ozzy_cauticzoneSGM keeps running away so the minions can't catch up, that's why you see a lot of DPS spikes and then no dps
It's cool that the 1.4.4 update forces the player to use other summons besides blade/sanguine. Post plantera summons are much better now, I especially like the new flawless AI of xeno staff. With all this and the whips buffs, I think the summoner is now more perfect than ever. 1.4.4 is the best update
Good call using dyes on the raven staff.
Is that using the critter shampoo?
@@kribyy7784 Yes
How could you forget about best girl abigail? I know it could be mediocre but i wanted to at least see late game abigail in action :(
She's outdated by the time you get blade or sanguine
@@ShyguymaskPlus :(
abigail gets outdated by the time you get a different summon weapon
@@ShyguymaskPlus yeah that's the trend with summoner. Rip abi
@@TightPort923 not really, if you look at her mechanics it makes sense to use it up until wof, specially for casual playing. I recommend skimming through the wiki, she's pretty interesting. I wouldn't consider telling shyguy to use it in hardmode if she was as useless as you make her out to be.
Its pretty balanced now the pre mech summon is mediocre not Insanely good and decimate the other summon that are in post plantera
well its pretty hard to get so ye, its kind of a weapon in return of skill
Thanks for the tests! I was surprised by some of the results- for example I didn't expect ravens to get such a good time. Looking at these fight all these minions seem viable and pretty well-balanced. But of course it also depends what you are fighting and what setup you use
Swarm Staff: look what they did to mimic a fraction of my power!
raven = scuffed swarm staff lule
Thank you for actually fighting the boss. I've seen so many comparisons of people standing still in God mode but the minions won't perform the same when you're moving and dodging the boss. Great video.
i love getting notifs when playing a rhythm game i love not being able to read the notes coming
Skill issue
Do not disturb: am I a joke to you
Go into the settings of the app causing it, head to notifications, and disable: "allow floating notifications"
Don't know much about pc settings or apple's configurations, but that's how it works on Android. Hope it helps
You opened my eyes, thanks for all summoners of this braincrashing machine, I was so confused because my main is ALWAYS summoner and now I know what I can show to my friends
Keep in mind, most bosses are not as mobile as eol, the AI means less for them the more stationary/straight forward the boss movement is. Deadly sphere is pretty good against plantera is what I'm trying to say
yeah but a post plantera weapon being good against plantera doesnt really say much, but i think the summon is very underrated
@@kazzytron if you think about it, post-plantera is the turning point for summoners since hallowed armor
@@Lftardednah tiki armor over hallowed
@@kazzytrondeadly sphere isn't post plantera, isn't it?
5:39 is a very TouHou player moment.
bro 💀
How did the Optic Staff fare? It was on par with Deadly Sphere before its buff in 1.4.4, how is it now?
I think it get a buff president Joe mama Biden
Only buff optic staff needs is to use local s
Desert Tiger + Firecracker is one hell of a combo
any summon with firecracker is always a good combo, makes minion attacks literally fucking explode
This was awesome! Thanks for sharing these results.
The dawn of sorrow ost is bumpin
Caught me off guard
Alternative title: SGM trying to flex his 2hu skill against EoL to see how long he can survived without getting hit for his new Double Boss JMMFTW Terraria video
sneaking crosscode OST in like that, now I wanna replay that game...
i cant really play summoner (brutally murders my integrated gpu), but this is extremely satisfying to watch. would love to see it with more summons, even if the fight only takes a couple of seconds.
Is there a reason you used moon stone instead of celestial emblem? Or are you just making it pre plantera equipment not including xeno?
he is using a Dark harvest which is from pumpking moon which need ectoplasm which is post plantera stuft
So my guest he didnt felt like he need a celestial emblem cause hes only doing it at night
pre plantera equipment xeno aside, yeah.
Btw i will still use sanguine for daytime, cuz it has decent range so i can actually dodge her attacks. And the thing with xeno is op but its optaining method is fuked up
is it? if your biggest problem with the saucer is the laser its quite easy to dodge...(so long as you have an infinite flight be it insignia or broom) just...fly away and switch direction just as it starts to go on your other side, has quite the rhythm to it
Decent range? You mean GREAT range
Yeah I'll do it pre Golem with Sanguine
@@somedude4087yeah i just had a skill issue back in the day
i guess summoner is balanced now, more reason to use post mechs/plantera drops
The Empress of light has a pixelated smile
nose
I was waiting this for so long!
I'm trying to blend a style of characters with fashion and one was supposed to be a vampire. A mage type summoner, but the vampire frog staff seems to have a very low dps. Wish Re-logic would make a bat summoner staff with a bit higher dps and heals the owner with a buff like the vampire knives.
Vampire frog is the best prehm summon? It just needs whips to get there
@@spectacularsceptile3879 wait it is?
@@willsmich506 Yep. In prehm you really want a mix of summons due to independent I frames, so you still use other minions with frog but frog is the best of them. It was complete GARBAGE when it first dropped mostly cause only the tongue had a hitbox (why) but then they changed it and it completely destroys stuff now.
@@spectacularsceptile3879 damn I always just used hornets or imps as I thought the frog was inconsistent, similar to other ground based summons like the pirate and tiki staffs, I’ll definitely give it a go in my next play throughs
@@willsmich506 the prehm ground minions are all amazing! slime staff is the most situational but even it is p good in said situations. the one thing is the ground minions kinda need whip stacking to really shine. since they attack fast but have low base damage every extra stacked whip helps more than it would on imp or hornet.
Usually when i play summoner, i do it with the desert tiger staff, but i could give a try to raven and xeno, never used those lol
Deadly sphere staff is really good, i use it to defeat daytime eol with morning star as my whip and still manage to kill her 1.56 minutes and that's beyond my expectations
are you gonna do the same test but on daytime with kaleidoscope and some other eol gear? i want to see how much will change with kaleidoscope on the menu
I has nothing to do with terraria, but i dont know, i feel that the castlevania music fits perfectly
Sanguine staff was my favourite choice before 1.4.4
yooo its marble bean
Terraprisma is best against EoL most likely.
Nothing against this.
Apparently, the Stardust Dragon is better, according to Shyguy's latest video.
@@Mutaburasaurus if you mix it, i'm crazy that i use 2 terras, 2 cells, and 3 slots dragons since damage fall-off is a thing for stacking minions like tiger or abigail
Why is the Firecracker only used with the Desert Tiger? What makes a summon synergize with it, and when do you want to use it?
Firecracker increases the damage of the next minion hit by 2.75x then needs to be applied again. Tiger attacks more slowly with high damage, making it perfect with Firecracker. Then you have Firecracker + Blade Staff which is an infamously weak anti-synergy combination.
i feel like ravens could've performed even better if they didn't spend a lot of the time trying to follow the player who went out of reach instead of continuing to attack
Holy shit that's some based music. i personally run zun music or just chill touhou music while playing terraria
Can you do video explaining whip stacking(or just a reply will be enough)? It's looks cool, but I don't get it. Also, nice one
Some whips give buffs when you use them but have a lower damage because of it, so you then swap to a good damage whip while you have the buff of the other whip, then repeat
@@willsmich506 thanks, I will use it in my summoner playtrough
@@gena_sealovwhips give enemies tags so minions deal more damage to them, you can stack the tag damage for more minion damage. That's pretty much it
Hold on. Wouldn't switching in a Stinger/Sharktooth necklace when using the blade staff (or maybe even the xeno staff due to it's low base damage) yield better results with it's synergy like how you used the firecracker with the desert tiger?
Accessory slots aren't there for that. Even then, Hercules Beetle and Summoner Emblem would be better options to further increase damage.
@@Shyguymask I suppose, but I don't see why you wouldn't use a stinger necklace with the Blade staff
@@terraSpark902 Shark Tooth Necklace is I believe 2-3 more damage per hit. Summoner Emblem increases Blade Staff's base damage by 1-2 but also boosts Whip damage, so it's better.
@@Shyguymask Doesn't the Blade staff specifically have a special interaction with the sharktooth necklace and other sources of armor penetration that let's it get extra damage beyond taking enemy defense past 0
@@terraSpark902 Yes, but that got fixed this update, and besides it would still be 2-3 extra damage per hit when Summoner Emblem would give a bigger boost overall.
Have you heard of the new original plants vs zombies version they are willing to develop?
What??)
Is the optic staff also buffed?
Or was it ignored in the recent update?
It was buffed significantly. Could get a killtime similar or (because of Retimisser) worse than Sanguine here.
This dps test is flawed, a true summoner expert uses mounts...
I had to use endgame armor and whips and minions to beat empress in the daytime and even then I still died a couple times
I dont see sense to change all the time whips while fightibn bosses and why you didnr do terraprisma minions
Deadly sphere are now good? I heard that they wasn't good
They are very good now. Massively buffed.
@@Shyguymask I kinda felt it while i was teaching my friend in expert mode. I was playing as different classes. First, i was melee in pre-hardmode, then i switched to summoner, and after golem i switched to mage. Yeah, i started to teach my friend in expert, not normal)
Did you test Optic Staff out? Heard it's better than Sanguine
I realize this comment is old but I tested it for anyone new that sees this, it was definitely the worst out of everything here.
Hearing the Devouver theme during the blade staff part really caught me off guard in a good way
Cell Staff is the best option by far.
When I used it, she died in like 25s
mfw post cultist weapon is good against the post plantera boss
which minon would you say is the best if you suck at whip stacking
xeno
Desert Tiger with Firecracker will do good
Wait, Tiki armor is more optimal than Spooky armor? I've been lied to my whole life
spooky armor gives more minion dmg and move speed, but the tiki armor gives more whip range
@@Crosbycha So it's better against EoL?
Against EoL I think range for whips is not important at all as your summons will be constantly attacking, so I would suggest you using Spooky Armor instead
@@benjaxd8892 if you don't whipstack
@@somedude4087 most of the whips used in this video has decent range for this fight
*laughs in 20k dps blizzard staff in fargos*
The song choice for this video is top tier
Do you have your keybinds listed anywhere for how you swap whips so easily?
I just press 1, 2, 3, etc on my keyboard manually with my middle finger!
@@ShyguymaskPlus wow that’s really impressive, thanks!
Why did the sunflower looking attack not connect?
Luck and skill and practice, I guess. Plus weird hitboxes.
The "petals" don't have a hitbox immediately when showing up.
Where's the slime staff? >:(
So is Xeno the best summon pre ML?
What about Stardust Cell Staff? Is it good?
pre plantera
@@lenship2Pre Golem*
Xeno staff is an overkill tbh and u could ve replaced the whip.from dungeon with the cool whip for more stacking damage
Morning star got buffs, it’s the second best whip for tag now behind kaleidoscope. (Unless you’re using dark harvest aoe effectively)
Morning Star has a way stronger tag (8 tag damage & 12% crit chance) as well as vastly higher base damage & range.
Are you just playing Touhou music over the game or is it a resource pack?
I'm playing music over my game while the music is muted
You forgot pirate staff🤓
Yo, deadly sphere better than sanguine and blade lets go!
What acc forge?
Menacing
is optic just not a weapon
Why no example of stardust staffs?
The Best is flare gun 😂
Slightly outdated on the sandguine
Shyguymask is a trans woman
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Finch Staff>>
Whait, does blade stuff sucks now?
It was always bad against post-plantera bosses unless kaleidoscope
It's a pre-mech weapon being used against as post-plantera boss, you'd kinda expect it to not hold up as well.
It can hold up insanely well when attempting to use it to the extreme (3+ whip stacking). It’s kinda like fetid. Sure it does fall off, but with great optimization its still viable against Plantera. Most weapons struggle to last more than one stage of progression in early Hardmode outside of a few specifics.
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TRUE!
On daytime tho, NONE, hallowed armor is USELESS, MASTER NINJA GEAR AND Brain of confusion USELESS. Good luck fellow pure summoners, the best you can do now is dark harvest durendal with obsidian armor. Minions won't do much (except blade staff cuz scales better with summon tag damage)
...bud you ok?
obsidian tiki and stardust all have same whip range boosts
just that obsidian also gives speed, but for the massive lack of damage and summon slots it...ain't great
also xeno does pretty well with such a setup, and against a daytime one oyu most likely would use empress drops
I did her without too much problem, 2 attempts failing and on the next morning did it first try
ironically u can equip more accessories/armor for damage on daytime making minions kill her even faster provided you know her patterns and dodge them more or less consistently
Ninja Gear is still good, mainly the dash abbility
Obsidian armor got nerfed, it would be better to use Tiki, or Spooky for dmg since EoL constantly comes to you.
Deadly Sphere worked for me personally, for some reason Ravens had issue catching up but thats prob cause i dodge her mostly vertically
Smells like skill issue in here
@@nullkazune2025 a bit mean but yea