It's kind of astonishing to me to see a talkshow this measured, reasonable and well moderated, where the host selects interesting people and lets them discuss a serious issue.
you should really try ‘Democracy, Now’, online or on PBS. it’s extremely serious. also, an entire host of serious podcasts are available, but I would recommend ‘The Intercepted’ as it’s free of charge.
Not a lot of women would have been so brave to sit with that panel of men in 1968 and genuinely consider herself and behave as an equal. Its innate in her. And for that time it was ground breaking Thank You Mrs Bacall!!
@@micheleroyalty4092 this is 1968 women weren’t allowed to have or apply for their own credit cards till 1972. The fact that Bacall was ballsy enough to speak with these known and famous intellectual men and interrupt speaks volumes about who she was as well her big brain - She was a ground breaker.
Yes, a panel of all Pro-gun-control media pundits all agreeing with each other and claiming that 75%+ of Americans are with them without starting sources. Things haven't changed at all.
J na And no president has taken them away yet. Still no one preventing crimes with their guns. One would be more likely struck by lightning than to defend themselves with a gun at home.(that’s my made up fact) All of this, and I still believe a citizen should be able to own them.
Yes she is very pretty but she is also very wrong , Drunk driver's kill more people every year than mass shooters , so by that logic we sgould ban all cars , when a drunk driver kills we don't blame the car we blame the driver , we need to blamd the person doing the shooting not the inanimate object , its mental illness we need to fight .
@@bigpun7916 Cars are not produced to kill anything- they have a very specific function I.e. to transport people and goods from place to place. Guns are produced to kill, whether animal (hunting) or human (war). Sure, some people use cars to kill people and most people who own guns don't 'intend' to kill anyone. However, by definition cars aren't designed to kill, guns are. Ergo, the human association with both objects are entirely different. Your point just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. By your logic Donkeys should all be culled as they cause a number of human deaths per year. It's basically a 'whataboutism' argument you're making by comparing cars to guns
"Politics of joy" I find it fascinating watching these chat shows from the 60s and 70s and seeing that all of our contemporary debates were still being had so long ago.
A lot of the questions I've had are addressed here, in a very civil and reasonable dialogue. Cavett's show was a gem and I'm glad to revisit these episodes. Thank you!
Dick Cavett Show was a "gem" but this was an assault on the Second Amendment, turning a blind eye to the possibility of a future with an out of control Justice Department.
ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO LAUREN BACALL WAS ON BROADWAY. HER SWANSONG SHOW WAS... WAITING IN THE WINGS. I WENT TO SEE IT AND AFTERWARDS WAITED BY THE STAGE DOOR WITH THE APPRECIATIVE AUDIENCE. WHEN LAUREN BACALL APPEARED HER POISE, HER VOICE AND HER MANNER WERE ALL IMPECCABLE. SHE LEFT AN IMPRESSION THAT ENDURES, BELIEVE YOU ME.
Different points of view? This was an out of control assault on the Second Amendment, a failure to recognize the tyranny of government that locked up Japanese citizens during World War II. A failure to recognize the tragedy at Wounded Knee. A failure to recognize the tyranny of a democrat-led Jim Crow that was still fully functioning at the time of this video. Where was Charlton Heston with his musket held above his hand?
It’s truly amazing how nothing has changed regarding the gun debate. I wonder how shocked this panel would be to learn how much worse things have become.
AnonUser20 I believe in the second amendment only because the Society and the Government has been shaky and unpredictable since time began. When it collapses...and it will. I want to be armed. I'm from those times...I remember JFK being shot...I saw Bobbie get shot live on tv....2 of my Uncles were in Vietnam...Kent state had occurred and people passionately went one way or the other both having very valid points. Guns don't kill...people do. But like the Dr. said we can and have identified obvious marks....brain scans also very accurately pointing out obvious signs the person is prone to certain behavior's. Knowing this what do we do? Lock up anyone with these markers? Keep them from arming themselves...right...bring it up as defense in trials to justify their state of mind? Just look at our society as it is today! It is a house divided and as it has been said a house divided can not and will not stand. There is no more live and let live...it's live my way or else. That is no the freedom this country was founded on. We all are entitled to our opinion and way of thinking. Otherwise we are naught but lemming's and stepford wives. How sad. We need to learn to agree to disagree and live in peace. Either way I am prepared for the Zombie apocalypse. It is coming in one form or another. Anyhoo...God bless us all and may we learn to live and let live.....
Part of the art of intricate conversation is to articulate yourself as best as possible at the first attempt so as to be as best understood as you can make yourself. No 3 or 4 attempts to make a point otherwise you create confusion and ambiguity for others and ultimately frustration for yourself. This group shows nicely how to best speak with your best foot forward each time. There's no time to go away and analyse what someone has said, digest it then return. No, you need to be best understood first time around and if you can't do that...don't speak!
substitute the celebrities and this is the same conversation today...except for the better manners of yesterday. And of course those healthy cigarettes
Right.....no mention of banning cigarettes even though they have taken more lives. We used to play army in the neighborhood during the 70s but none of us ever shot someone. Society have gradually taken God out of society and then society asks where is God? What a losing battle. But thank goodness God offers forgiveness through His Son Jesus.
Yes they did. 84% of Americans were in favor of gun control during the late sixties, following the assinations of JFK, MLK, and RFK. This was before the conservative backlash of the 1980's and the advent of FOX propaganda machine.
@@jimmcguy5511 Since those days literally hundreds of "common sense" gun laws have been passed, and the results are in. Clearly hundreds of "common sense" gun laws don't live up to the claims their proponents promised. Your laws outlawing us from having the tools we need that defends us from you are unconstitutional, and against God.
Betty Bacall at 10.55 statement is why ppl do feel they way they do. Very interesting debate and also done in a very tactile respecting manner, you unfortunately wouldn't get this now.
She was one of the first highly respected actresses, who spoke out about how the Hollywood casting couch worked, and how she eventually used men herself in her life.
And, so many years after Bobby Kennedy's assassination, these questions and problems are still unanswered. If anything, these divisions are even more entrenched. Also, as many people have already said, the measured and respectful debate and conversation exhibited in this footage is becoming extremely rare.
@Gary Winthorp Exactly, the socialist agenda has strived hard and long to make it appear as though to have understanding, is to lean left. Jack Kennedy was no lefty, he took many stances against the Democrats war machine, and the Gun Free zones are the deadliest places to live. Where I live in north Texas you can walk the street anytime day or night, and everyone has a defensive weapon, at the ones that see the need.
What is left with of this country? Apparently an out of control Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigation. Apparently what's left of this country is no bail for violent criminal offenders and Democrat'controlled cities, district attorneys bought and paid for by George Soros.
@John Johnson She has a better understanding of the Second Amendment and our founders than you do. You just buy into the latest interpretation of it. It fits your fear of living in your country.
@@diaspoI think you will find that such comments apply to ALL politicians. The problem with people is that they become entrenched and personal experience and the ability of all media to influence does not help.I am quite prepared to find some good in all politicians .One may assume that Labour represents the working class but if the last election proved anything it is that they do not as well as sending their children to private school and seeking every title going ,I would say they represent human nature. like most politicians they represent their own interests first ] .
Some replying have said it sounds like today's debates on issues. Not really. Back then, people talked TO each other, not AT each other, i.e., the panelists here actually listened to and replied to what others said with their own comments or questions, instead of waiting to spew talking points regardless of what was said. Also, they kept to the issues, not personalities and name-calling. THE ISSUES: WHAT TO DO? In this case, gun control. Here and in the first part of this show in the other video, the closest they got to attacking people was blocs, e.g., "liberals," "conservatives," and only really to delineate rhetorical sides on the issue.
What Lauren Bacall is saying in 1968 about guns and "what is it going to take to get gun control" are the same words people are saying in 2023. Nothing changes, nothing is going to change -- except things are getting worse and worse. We are doomed.
@@lesliewyatt4188 Information is from IMDb (Internet Movie Database), here's the specific Web Page that relates to that episode. www.imdb.com/title/tt6266016/?ref_=nm_flmg_slf_36
It is a sad and damning indictment that even now, 56 years later, the United States has done nothing to change this deplorable situation. And, by United States l mean the people, as much as the legislators. People who are more fearful of losing their so called ‘God given right’ to own a gun and quote the 2nd amendment as justification for it but, are not fearful of the risk of death from others who have guns.
Yes, the media is still in an anti-2A echo chamber and these rich folks can't fathom why people who don't live in a gated community with armed private security lobby to keep their guns.
Because you politicians keep this debate alive. Why? Because they know, with Americans having guns, they'll never get the true power that they desire. That's why. They keep this ridiculous argument alive.
@@Gunn27 no, Bertha Franklin shot Sam Cooke. I guess you don't understand that by "man" he meant it takes a human being to pull the trigger of a gun. We don't womankind or peoplekind. We say mankind. When referring to doing something that any human is capable of, we use the term "man." You sound like an SJW.
We are truly living in a diminished age nowadays. I'm no fan of Hollywooders and find myself pretty much opposed to their ideas including the one discussed here. However, setting that aside, the simple fact is that they were far more intelligent, articulate and emotionally mature than the vapid, hysterical dunderheads in the entertainment business today.
@@BlackoutPatriot How so? A gun bought online still has to be sent to an FFL before the buyer can take it with them. There's still a form 4473, background check and etc.
I made machine guns and hand guns out of legos when I was a Kid. You do not need a toy gun to make one. This debate will never end. It's beyond beating a dead horse.
The biggest argument against the implementation of tougher gun control laws is that making it harder for people to get guns essentially means encouraging the creation of a black market for guns which criminals who don't mind breaking the law will have a near exclusive access to. The drug cartels who practically dominate the southern border with Mexico which pumps $8 billion of narcotics into the US, will be more than happy to open up a new market in gun smuggling for themselves.
Amen Amen Amen! These panelists, by ficusing on guns, are not seeing the forest for a tree - nor are they seeing that everyday knives or scissors can be used to assassinate, deadly car accidents can be forced to happen, people can be choked to death in their bed as they sleep WITH A PILLOW, a bite from a venomous insect or other small animal can be used to "assasinate" - are we going to outlaw pillows, scorpions or kitchen knives or scizzors? Endless possibilities to kill exist AND HAVE BEEN USED THROUGHOUT HISTORY ALL OVER THE WORLD TO INFLUENCE DIRECTION OF EVENTS. TO ASSUME ALL AMERICANS ARE PRONE TO VIOLENT METHODS BECAUSE OF THESE FEW GUN SHOOTERS IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE AND SHOWS BLINDERS IN VISION - and naive utopian thinking. Sooooooo naive and blind, this view. (caps just for emphasis not to scream)
I agree but u cant compare handguns to kitchen knives and scissors. We have to have SOME regulations on firearms, a bank rober with a 15 page rap sheet shouldnt be allowed to own a gun. But if we cant keep drugs off the streets how can we keep guns from people? I dont think we can, but we need to at least make it harder for potential criminals
Mexico doesn't need to spend that much because America produces so many guns that can be bought over the counter, that the flow of guns will trickle down to the border and there can be plenty to use from there.
Of course they did. My bet is that most of them lived in high rise apartment buildings with security, in major metropolitan areas with police highly available.
And usually armed body guards are professionals and retired cops -- not at all like the fucking yahoos parading around with ARs to terrorize women and kids at home and in malls.
Its amazing, Robert Vaughn is usually the only class act whenever he appears somewhere, but he's outgunned here(pardon the pun) given the discussion. Bacall would be a devastating dinner guest.
People killing people is not just an American thing. Been going on for a long time throughout history. These guests are totally ignorant to the fact that mans heart is desperately sick who can understand it. They don't realize that the guns can be used for evil or they can be used to protect their rights to have their liberal views. Interesting those smoking are not advocating against smoking which has killed a lot more than assassinations.
I am afraid of robberies. In my home I have 2 German Shepherds. These dogs have chased away 3 burglars. I choose to have them and not have a gun at all. I have no skills related to guns, but I do know how to pick out,purchase and train German Shepherds. I also owned a Doberman and he saved me from 2 men considering harming me. He didn’t have to do much either, he just knew these men were a danger and walked the room around these men holding his body as a protector. I sure miss that dog.
This only shows me that they were predicting the future. Can you imagine our corporate owned media allowing a conversation like this? I like that Schoenbrun - dropping labels is the starting point.
I don't remember the last time I saw a talk show like this. Very somber & serious. The assination of RK was a dark moment in America. I was a child when this happened. This discussion was very intelligent. I have come to realize that violence is a religion in USA.
You're saying you can't remember the last time you saw a one-sided debate on an issue? Turn on CNN, The View. Which of these characters was the musket-wielding Charlton Heston?
"Violence is a religion" in America? You mean in towns like Seattle, Portland? You mean like creating the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone? You mean like the Left, Antifa, BLM burning a federal building in Portland? Is that what you meant? You mean in Democrat-controlled cities where there's black on black death? Is that what you meant? Show me the Republican-led city in which death is a religion. Show me where "death is religion" in conservative, (basic) "God-fearing" communities? Show me where death is a religion in rural communities. That is certainly not a religion in rural Stokes County where I own some land. It simply doesn't exist. If death has become a "religion" maybe it's because of Silicon Valley's design, production, marketing of first person shooter games that might stepson's stepson plays online with strangers. If death has become a religion, maybe violence a religion, perhaps it has something to do with NFL football players being elevated to God-like status. Many of these after have knocked their baby mamas around an elevators, many after they've been prosecuted for dog fighting. Show me where violence has become a religion from people like Tim Tebow. Show me where John Voight has preached violence. You can't find it. Show me where violence has become a "religion" by people like those of Duck Dynasty, other country (music) type stars. It doesn't exist. Compare that to the black rap culture. And, no, Donald Trump did not incite people to storm the capitol. Not buying it.
It is as it was. Many have died since this was filmed. The NRA has been a hugely successful lobbying organisation for many decades. Many, many US legislators have been handsomely paid to vote against sensible gun control. Many, many, many.
Bacall, probably lived in a very secure, high rent, ivory tower in a lovely neighborhood. I think It would have been much more interesting to see her debate a middle or lower income, pro second amendment, responsible gun owner.
@@marbury2403 Evidently, Mr. And Mrs. Lennon needed better security detail. NYC is a sewer. Thank God for the U.S. Constitution and the second amendment.
"One wonders if the country is worth saving " a cry of pure frustration. there are many vested interests and the more powerful the interests in money and votes will win because that is what drives them. The second amendment is the crutch on which they lean. The gun problem is a like war very complex. There are times when the majority people support war if that war is thought to be a choice between war or being a slave as against Hitler. Vietnam did not offer that immediate choice because the reason was said to be a domino theory where the choice of war or freedom would arrive later. The gun problem is not the same problem as war because it is down to the individual and the complex multi cause and effect of killing to end a problem in the mind of the individual as apposed to the view of politicians and leaders who have darker reasons for taking a whole country to war. Both are uncivilized but why should those people be concerned about being civilized. We in most cases elect our leaders because we can not be trusted to rule ourselves, hence our leaders see civilized society almost as gun fodder as did many generals in Britain in WW1. the truth is we are light years from being civilized and logic alone tells us it may be too late.
It’s in the United States Constitution only because it wasn’t even debated. At that time, each colony/state had proscribed that anyone owning land would be required to own a gun, and in at least one state, he, the householder, or settler, was loaned one musket and six pounds of gunpowder. It was to kill the Indigenous Americans, and secondly, to kill or capture runaway slaves. Hence, it wasn’t even debated at the debates of the Constitutional Convention. Boom. Citation: Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz /Norwegian Prisons have the lowest rates of recidivism in the western world/world, and they’re essentially about helping them to become good neighbors.
I wanted to comment that too, when I heard him say that I nearly had to laugh. The other man then says "you mean they haven't yet", but then he makes it even worse by replying "I doubt that they will". I wonder whether he thought of this moment when he heard the news that one day.
After watching this debate, I believe that cigarettes should be banned and that the government come to your door and rip the cigarettes out of your hand. Cigarettes kill.
In order to institute any wholesale restriction or prohibition on gun ownership, both houses of Congress would need to draft a new amendment to the Constitution. It's the only way to repeal the rights guaranteed by an existing Constitutional amendment. An amendment to the Constitution requires the greatest super majority consensus in Congress, it's either a 2/3 or 3/4 majority vote required to pass a new Constitutional amendment.
Fortunately we've used logic to resolve all this and nobody talks about it anymore. ;) "They don't shoot at Wallace or Reagan and I doubt that they will"
Wow in 1968 the future was told and what was to come. I remember being in Florida in 89 at a market and how easy it could be to buy a handgun , I was shocked.
And how easy it is to buy a truck, or a baseball bat or a knife or get onto a jumbo jet loaded with fuel. It's a wonder the murderers haven't already killed the rest of us. ---- If we can't keep tons of drugs from flowing into the country, how do we keep 13,000 guns a year from coming in (the number of illegal homicides each year is generally under 13,000).
When we let Fox news to lie to America on television. When we let the GOP (greedy old pigs) take control of America in the 1980's. The NRA is a terrorist arm of the GOP.
@Gary Winthorp Why quote? If you and your buddies think you can gather together and remove someone from political office by force using muskets/ WalMart weapons, you will all be arrested and tried as terrorists. The 2nd Amendment is an anachronism, that will become moe obvious with increasing technology. Those words are not a green light for terrorism. The 2nd Amendment is a law for an ad hoc musket militia invented before the the discovery of electricity, now used as a law to reciprocate the deaths of the equivalent of over 12 WTC attacks ever year..... from suicides to street violence to robberies. It was never intended as a law for self defense, and the amount of "justifiable homicides" per year, like towards others with firearms from the same law, is a tiny percentage of the total. Make Police, schools, poor people and society safe : look at Australia. Every day doesn't have to be a war zone in some communities.
@@MilesBellas if a group of friends tried to overthrow British rule of the colonies, they would have failed too. But it was tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of Americans. Likewise your scenario is a strawman. In a country where people are comparing our president with Hitler, why are so many people wanting to give up their guns to Trump's administration.?
History does not end, humanity has survived through times of liberty and tyranny. Just because you live in liberty now doesn’t mean tyranny is abolished.
10 000 people write their congressman and one enclose a cheque for a million $, who do these people the congressman would listen to. No one here talks about money in politics.
Lol, I was thinking the same thing listening to this garbage. You'd have thought that sometime in the past half century we wolld've learned to stop listening to naive and ignorant celebrities.
Donald Trump is literally the definition of a celebrity yet you MAGA morons all fall in line and worship him as the second coming of Christ. Give me a break.
these people are all traumatized and it shows. but what infuriates me is that we are still having this idiotic discussion. lauren's question....how many people have to be killed? prescient.
It would be great to ask that question of the biggest GUN Banners: Joe Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge, Muslim extremists, exactly,,, "How many people have to be killed" ?
5:12 the guy just predicted Red Flag Laws. If you have one neighbor, family member, coworker, etc. who hates you, then this could could happen to you in a red flag state.
This discussion is just as relevant today as it was then. I would say the quality of people who have access to the commentary on the TV has deteriorated since then. Why did Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X, and Martin Luther King get it. Simple answer, WHITE PRIVILEGE. That needs to change.
@4:32 1979 discussion: “Bobby and Teddy have been fighting for gun control since Jack’s assassination.” LOL 😂 Bobby stopped advocating for gun control in June 1968.
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It's kind of astonishing to me to see a talkshow this measured, reasonable and well moderated, where the host selects interesting people and lets them discuss a serious issue.
Its probably because they all agree on their conclusions if not their premises.
A lost world, unfortunately. Great to watch the reasoned debate though.
cuz they are all anti gun
Keep in mind that this was Late Night, 11:30 PM ET network television and it's even more astonishing to contemplate.
you should really try ‘Democracy, Now’, online or on PBS. it’s extremely serious. also, an entire host of serious podcasts are available, but I would recommend ‘The Intercepted’ as it’s free of charge.
Not a lot of women would have been so brave to sit with that panel of men in 1968 and genuinely consider herself and behave as an equal. Its innate in her. And for that time it was ground breaking
Thank You Mrs Bacall!!
that's an exaggeration. Most women are not as articulate as Bacall. I note the total lack of gender politics in her speech. (Listen closely).
@@edmund184 “most women aren’t that articulate” ? Chauvinist comment like that is the issue
@@lakid9749 alright, so get J-Lo or Zeta Jones on and get them talking like this. Stop turning every male/female event into a conflict.
They should have had more strong women there.
@@micheleroyalty4092 this is 1968 women weren’t allowed to have or apply for their own credit cards till 1972. The fact that Bacall was ballsy enough to speak with these known and famous intellectual men and interrupt speaks volumes about who she was as well her big brain -
She was a ground breaker.
52 years later and same conversation
Yes, a panel of all Pro-gun-control media pundits all agreeing with each other and claiming that 75%+ of Americans are with them without starting sources.
Things haven't changed at all.
J na
And no president has taken them away yet. Still no one preventing crimes with their guns. One would be more likely struck by lightning than to defend themselves with a gun at home.(that’s my made up fact) All of this, and I still believe a citizen should be able to own them.
Right?!
+ Ditto Feminism
52 years later and hundreds of "common sense" gun laws later, and the same conversation.
@Gary Winthorp Who is preventing crimes with firearms?
Lauren Bacall looks absolutely beautiful there
Yes she is very pretty but she is also very wrong , Drunk driver's kill more people every year than mass shooters , so by that logic we sgould ban all cars , when a drunk driver kills we don't blame the car we blame the driver , we need to blamd the person doing the shooting not the inanimate object , its mental illness we need to fight .
@@bigpun7916 Cars are not produced to kill anything- they have a very specific function I.e. to transport people and goods from place to place. Guns are produced to kill, whether animal (hunting) or human (war). Sure, some people use cars to kill people and most people who own guns don't 'intend' to kill anyone. However, by definition cars aren't designed to kill, guns are. Ergo, the human association with both objects are entirely different. Your point just doesn't stand up to scrutiny. By your logic Donkeys should all be culled as they cause a number of human deaths per year. It's basically a 'whataboutism' argument you're making by comparing cars to guns
@Gary Winthorp Only the brown "assault" pintos.
@Gary Winthorp Shut up Gary.
As a chain smoker with a raspy voice?
Lauren Bacall lived in the Dakota, where she was a neighbour of John Lennon.
And couldn't stand Yoko Ono apparently. Good old Lauren.
@Brooks Ave No gods above wrong he freely admitted it take your medication please!!
So what?
@@peteroconnor6394
Work it out for yourself, numbskull.
@@peteroconnor6394 Yea mate so what , to your so what
"Politics of joy" I find it fascinating watching these chat shows from the 60s and 70s and seeing that all of our contemporary debates were still being had so long ago.
A lot of the questions I've had are addressed here, in a very civil and reasonable dialogue. Cavett's show was a gem and I'm glad to revisit these episodes. Thank you!
Dick Cavett Show was a "gem" but this was an assault on the Second Amendment, turning a blind eye to the possibility of a future with an out of control Justice Department.
ABOUT 25 YEARS AGO LAUREN BACALL WAS ON BROADWAY. HER SWANSONG SHOW WAS... WAITING IN THE WINGS. I WENT TO SEE IT AND AFTERWARDS WAITED BY THE STAGE DOOR WITH THE APPRECIATIVE AUDIENCE. WHEN LAUREN BACALL APPEARED HER POISE, HER VOICE AND HER MANNER WERE ALL IMPECCABLE. SHE LEFT AN IMPRESSION THAT ENDURES, BELIEVE YOU ME.
This is amazing! People with differing points of view, actually having a civil discussion on Live TV! Wow! Cable TV news programs should take notes!
They didn’t have different points of view...they were all for gun control.
Sorry they all agree. Should not be called a debate
Different points of view? This was an out of control assault on the Second Amendment, a failure to recognize the tyranny of government that locked up Japanese citizens during World War II. A failure to recognize the tragedy at Wounded Knee. A failure to recognize the tyranny of a democrat-led Jim Crow that was still fully functioning at the time of this video. Where was Charlton Heston with his musket held above his hand?
@@acera668 agreed. See my comment that follows yours.
52 years later and we are still in the same place
You have the solution-free NRA apologists on here to thank for that.
Lauren bacall is mesmerising. Clever, opinionated, clearly cares and beautiful with a very distinctive look✌
Amazing Lauren is on this panel of all men and still she stands her ground and is fearless
Well, if you know anything about Bogart's previous marriage . . .
It’s truly amazing how nothing has changed regarding the gun debate. I wonder how shocked this panel would be to learn how much worse things have become.
3:38 cant believe this was being said in 1968
AnonUser20 The answer has been ‘hundreds of thousands’. All that potential, all those family members, lost.
AnonUser20 I can’t believe she said such a common phrase as well. It’s astounding. How many people are gonna die before everyone hears this?
AnonUser20 I believe in the second amendment only because the Society and the Government has been shaky and unpredictable since time began. When it collapses...and it will. I want to be armed. I'm from those times...I remember JFK being shot...I saw Bobbie get shot live on tv....2 of my Uncles were in Vietnam...Kent state had occurred and people passionately went one way or the other both having very valid points. Guns don't kill...people do. But like the Dr. said we can and have identified obvious marks....brain scans also very accurately pointing out obvious signs the person is prone to certain behavior's. Knowing this what do we do? Lock up anyone with these markers? Keep them from arming themselves...right...bring it up as defense in trials to justify their state of mind? Just look at our society as it is today! It is a house divided and as it has been said a house divided can not and will not stand. There is no more live and let live...it's live my way or else. That is no the freedom this country was founded on. We all are entitled to our opinion and way of thinking. Otherwise we are naught but lemming's and stepford wives. How sad. We need to learn to agree to disagree and live in peace. Either way I am prepared for the Zombie apocalypse. It is coming in one form or another. Anyhoo...God bless us all and may we learn to live and let live.....
I didn't realize how beautiful and down to earth Lauren Bacall is, and amazing same conversation over 50 years later
Part of the art of intricate conversation is to articulate yourself as best as possible at the first attempt so as to be as best understood as you can make yourself. No 3 or 4 attempts to make a point otherwise you create confusion and ambiguity for others and ultimately frustration for yourself. This group shows nicely how to best speak with your best foot forward each time. There's no time to go away and analyse what someone has said, digest it then return. No, you need to be best understood first time around and if you can't do that...don't speak!
the way interviews should be conducted, Pro and con. allowing each party to fully speak their piece.
substitute the celebrities and this is the same conversation today...except for the better manners of yesterday. And of course those healthy cigarettes
Right.....no mention of banning cigarettes even though they have taken more lives. We used to play army in the neighborhood during the 70s but none of us ever shot someone. Society have gradually taken God out of society and then society asks where is God? What a losing battle. But thank goodness God offers forgiveness through His Son Jesus.
This really wasn’t much of a debate. From what I could tell, all of them seemed to agree.
True thats seems to be why everyone is so civil
Yes they did. 84% of Americans were in favor of gun control during the late sixties, following the assinations of JFK, MLK, and RFK. This was before the conservative backlash of the 1980's and the advent of FOX propaganda machine.
@@TransparencyandMerit No, I think they were just more civil.
@@jimmcguy5511 Since those days literally hundreds of "common sense" gun laws have been passed, and the results are in. Clearly hundreds of "common sense" gun laws don't live up to the claims their proponents promised.
Your laws outlawing us from having the tools we need that defends us from you are unconstitutional, and against God.
@@gskibum You just don’t get it guns kill ppl if nobody had a gun nobody would get shot.
Betty Bacall at 10.55 statement is why ppl do feel they way they do. Very interesting debate and also done in a very tactile respecting manner, you unfortunately wouldn't get this now.
She was a heroine. So fearless, so willing to speak her mind, whether you liked it or not.
Not
I admired her.
@@friendofdorothy9376 lame
She was one of the first highly respected actresses, who spoke out about how the Hollywood casting couch worked, and how she eventually used men herself in her life.
Could you imagine this level of debate on a late night chat show today?
And, so many years after Bobby Kennedy's assassination, these questions and problems are still unanswered. If anything, these divisions are even more entrenched. Also, as many people have already said, the measured and respectful debate and conversation exhibited in this footage is becoming extremely rare.
@Gary Winthorp Exactly, the socialist agenda has strived hard and long to make it appear as though to have understanding, is to lean left. Jack Kennedy was no lefty, he took many stances against the Democrats war machine, and the Gun Free zones are the deadliest places to live. Where I live in north Texas you can walk the street anytime day or night, and everyone has a defensive weapon, at the ones that see the need.
Track Truth dude socialists are virulently pro-gun. At least the sincere ones.
Mind blown. Same exact dialogue in 2021. Lauren was right. What is left of this country
What is left with of this country? Apparently an out of control Justice Department and Federal Bureau of Investigation. Apparently what's left of this country is no bail for violent criminal offenders and Democrat'controlled cities, district attorneys bought and paid for by George Soros.
You would never get a sensible discussion about the issue of gun accessibility nowadays. It’s sad how much the US has regressed.
I just love Bacall
@John Johnson She has a better understanding of the Second Amendment and our founders than you do. You just buy into the latest interpretation of it. It fits your fear of living in your country.
@@JSB1882 Clearly you never read the federalist papers. Projection if I've ever seen it.
Damn! We've been talking about this since the 60's!
Hiltler talked about every since the 30's.
All about guns, nothing about criminals. Rfk was killed on June 6 1968.
Worried about guns Chain Smoking ....
Liberals blame guns, not the criminals.
only the priviledged feel threaten by extending equality to the disenfranchised
Equality in opportunity Not equality in outcome. BIG difference!
Still talking. Nothing changes and people never learn from history.
"Nothing changes and people never learn from history." - That's basically the definition of Conservatism...
@@diaspoI think you will find that such comments apply to ALL politicians. The problem with people is that they become entrenched and personal experience and the ability of all media to influence does not help.I am quite prepared to find some good in all politicians .One may assume that Labour represents the working class but if the last election proved anything it is that they do not as well as sending their children to private school and seeking every title going ,I would say they represent human nature. like most politicians they represent their own interests first ] .
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Nope I can't believe that nothing has changed people are not learning from history.
@@diaspo So we have to see it your way...or we’re not “learning”? Now that’s the definition of arrogance.
F.Lee Bailey - O.J Simpsons lawyer.
O.J. didn't need a gun ....
Some replying have said it sounds like today's debates on issues. Not really. Back then, people talked TO each other, not AT each other, i.e., the panelists here actually listened to and replied to what others said with their own comments or questions, instead of waiting to spew talking points regardless of what was said. Also, they kept to the issues, not personalities and name-calling. THE ISSUES: WHAT TO DO? In this case, gun control. Here and in the first part of this show in the other video, the closest they got to attacking people was blocs, e.g., "liberals," "conservatives," and only really to delineate rhetorical sides on the issue.
What Lauren Bacall is saying in 1968 about guns and "what is it going to take to get gun control" are the same words people are saying in 2023. Nothing changes, nothing is going to change -- except things are getting worse and worse. We are doomed.
FYI, this aired June 6th, 1968
Thank you. I knew it had to be soon after RFK assassination.
@@lesliewyatt4188 Information is from IMDb (Internet Movie Database), here's the specific Web Page that relates to that episode. www.imdb.com/title/tt6266016/?ref_=nm_flmg_slf_36
Wow and I was in my mother belly on June 6,1968 and born in August 1968🙋🏾♀️
@@lastdays3148 I remember this horrible
@@lastdays3148 Welcome to the show.
They thinks its all money stopping them from banning guns. But, its the gun owners. 100,000,000 guns say more than $100,000,000.
This wasn't a debate it's singing to the choir period!
It's not a debate it's a discussion. They don't agree entirely. Often debate has one side with no no valid point.
WOW these people are comparing good gun owners with criminals
It is a sad and damning indictment that even now, 56 years later, the United States has done nothing to change this deplorable situation. And, by United States l mean the people, as much as the legislators. People who are more fearful of losing their so called ‘God given right’ to own a gun and quote the 2nd amendment as justification for it but, are not fearful of the risk of death from others who have guns.
And.. we are STILL having this conversation with NO resolution ???
Yes, the media is still in an anti-2A echo chamber and these rich folks can't fathom why people who don't live in a gated community with armed private security lobby to keep their guns.
Because you politicians keep this debate alive. Why? Because they know, with Americans having guns, they'll never get the true power that they desire. That's why. They keep this ridiculous argument alive.
President Nixon was elected to his first term 5 months after this airing. I was 17. A very turbulent time.
Thoughtful conversation by all involved. That doesn't happen any more.
And this conversation is still going on in 2022.
"A gun is an inanimate object and it takes a man to pull the trigger"
She didn't like hearing that 😂
I think it’s a fair point
Oh. So it was a man who killed Sam Cooke? I never knew that.
@@Gunn27 no, Bertha Franklin shot Sam Cooke. I guess you don't understand that by "man" he meant it takes a human being to pull the trigger of a gun. We don't womankind or peoplekind. We say mankind. When referring to doing something that any human is capable of, we use the term "man." You sound like an SJW.
@@cs-7 You sound like an arsehole. A really stupid arsehole.
@@Gunn27 you sound like a snowflake
And here we still are. 😱
We are truly living in a diminished age nowadays. I'm no fan of Hollywooders and find myself pretty much opposed to their ideas including the one discussed here. However, setting that aside, the simple fact is that they were far more intelligent, articulate and emotionally mature than the vapid, hysterical dunderheads in the entertainment business today.
she didn't say much worthwhile aside from pointing out that you could buy a gun through the mail which is not allowed anymore
True, but you can buy them online. Almost same thing
@@BlackoutPatriot How so? A gun bought online still has to be sent to an FFL before the buyer can take it with them. There's still a form 4473, background check and etc.
How does the killing of the Kennedys by people that have nothing to do with regular folk justify calling for tougher gun laws for regular folk?
Sad thing is we are still having this debate today!
I made machine guns and hand guns out of legos when I was a Kid. You do not need a toy gun to make one. This debate will never end. It's beyond beating a dead horse.
Can’t believe in 2020 we are still having these conversations! Ain’t nothing going to ever be done and it’s shameful!!!
The biggest argument against the implementation of tougher gun control laws is that making it harder for people to get guns essentially means encouraging the creation of a black market for guns which criminals who don't mind breaking the law will have a near exclusive access to.
The drug cartels who practically dominate the southern border with Mexico which pumps $8 billion of narcotics into the US, will be more than happy to open up a new market in gun smuggling for themselves.
Amen Amen Amen! These panelists, by ficusing on guns, are not seeing the forest for a tree - nor are they seeing that everyday knives or scissors can be used to assassinate, deadly car accidents can be forced to happen, people can be choked to death in their bed as they sleep WITH A PILLOW, a bite from a venomous insect or other small animal can be used to "assasinate" - are we going to outlaw pillows, scorpions or kitchen knives or scizzors? Endless possibilities to kill exist AND HAVE BEEN USED THROUGHOUT HISTORY ALL OVER THE WORLD TO INFLUENCE DIRECTION OF EVENTS. TO ASSUME ALL AMERICANS ARE PRONE TO VIOLENT METHODS BECAUSE OF THESE FEW GUN SHOOTERS IS ABSOLUTELY INSANE AND SHOWS BLINDERS IN VISION - and naive utopian thinking. Sooooooo naive and blind, this view. (caps just for emphasis not to scream)
I agree but u cant compare handguns to kitchen knives and scissors. We have to have SOME regulations on firearms, a bank rober with a 15 page rap sheet shouldnt be allowed to own a gun. But if we cant keep drugs off the streets how can we keep guns from people? I dont think we can, but we need to at least make it harder for potential criminals
Mexico doesn't need to spend that much because America produces so many guns that can be bought over the counter, that the flow of guns will trickle down to the border and there can be plenty to use from there.
It's very sad that this show could be on right now and nobody would know the difference.
but I bet some of them had armed body guards, even then
Of course they did. My bet is that most of them lived in high rise apartment buildings with security, in major metropolitan areas with police highly available.
And usually armed body guards are professionals and retired cops -- not at all like the fucking yahoos parading around with ARs to terrorize women and kids at home and in malls.
This is pre Rvwade and the argument was lost when abortion was legalized .
Two days before Kennedy was hit in Los Angeles, Warhol was shot in New York City.
Some things never change sadly.
Its amazing, Robert Vaughn is usually the only class act whenever he appears somewhere, but he's outgunned here(pardon the pun) given the discussion. Bacall would be a devastating dinner guest.
Spot on 40 years ago!
"We've got to do something about things that kill people..." Says Ms. Bacall as she smokes her cigarette.
People didn't know about the connection between smoking and cancer then.
@@dustinolvey8877 The Surgeon General warning was on cigarette packs 4 years before this show aired, so..... They knew.
tiny difference: killing oneself Vs killing someone else
and, if I may, one doesn't smoke to die earlier but in spite of that. It's not like non-smokers get to be eternal either
@@corda93bg exactly
People killing people is not just an American thing. Been going on for a long time throughout history. These guests are totally ignorant to the fact that mans heart is desperately sick who can understand it. They don't realize that the guns can be used for evil or they can be used to protect their rights to have their liberal views. Interesting those smoking are not advocating against smoking which has killed a lot more than assassinations.
I am afraid of robberies. In my home I have 2 German Shepherds. These dogs have chased away 3 burglars. I choose to have them and not have a gun at all. I have no skills related to guns, but I do know how to pick out,purchase and train German Shepherds. I also owned a Doberman and he saved me from 2 men considering harming me. He didn’t have to do much either, he just knew these men were a danger and walked the room around these men holding his body as a protector. I sure miss that dog.
Robert Vaughn the man from U.N.C.L.E .
This only shows me that they were predicting the future. Can you imagine our corporate owned media allowing a conversation like this? I like that Schoenbrun - dropping labels is the starting point.
I don't remember the last time I saw a talk show like this. Very somber & serious. The assination of RK was a dark moment in America. I was a child when this happened. This discussion was very intelligent. I have come to realize that violence is a religion in USA.
You're saying you can't remember the last time you saw a one-sided debate on an issue? Turn on CNN, The View. Which of these characters was the musket-wielding Charlton Heston?
"Violence is a religion" in America? You mean in towns like Seattle, Portland? You mean like creating the Capitol Hill Autonomous Zone? You mean like the Left, Antifa, BLM burning a federal building in Portland? Is that what you meant? You mean in Democrat-controlled cities where there's black on black death? Is that what you meant?
Show me the Republican-led city in which death is a religion. Show me where "death is religion" in conservative, (basic) "God-fearing" communities? Show me where death is a religion in rural communities. That is certainly not a religion in rural Stokes County where I own some land. It simply doesn't exist.
If death has become a "religion" maybe it's because of Silicon Valley's design, production, marketing of first person shooter games that might stepson's stepson plays online with strangers.
If death has become a religion, maybe violence a religion, perhaps it has something to do with NFL football players being elevated to God-like status. Many of these after have knocked their baby mamas around an elevators, many after they've been prosecuted for dog fighting.
Show me where violence has become a religion from people like Tim Tebow. Show me where John Voight has preached violence. You can't find it.
Show me where violence has become a "religion" by people like those of Duck Dynasty, other country (music) type stars. It doesn't exist. Compare that to the black rap culture.
And, no, Donald Trump did not incite people to storm the capitol. Not buying it.
Lauren Bacall seems like a great tough lady would have been cool to meet her.
It is as it was.
Many have died since this was filmed.
The NRA has been a hugely successful lobbying organisation for many decades.
Many, many US legislators have been handsomely paid to vote against sensible gun control.
Many, many, many.
Bacall, probably lived in a very secure, high rent, ivory tower in a lovely neighborhood. I think It would have been much more interesting to see her debate a middle or lower income, pro second amendment, responsible gun owner.
She also lived in the same building outside where John Lennon was shot in the back few years later
@@marbury2403 Evidently, Mr. And Mrs. Lennon needed better security detail. NYC is a sewer. Thank God for the U.S. Constitution and the second amendment.
Normal countries : no guns. Result: very low gun crimes.
And one guy compares a Swiss Army knife to an AR-15. INSANITY.
"One wonders if the country is worth saving " a cry of pure frustration. there are many vested interests and the more powerful the interests in money and votes will win because that is what drives them. The second amendment is the crutch on which they lean. The gun problem is a like war very complex. There are times when the majority people support war if that war is thought to be a choice between war or being a slave as against Hitler. Vietnam did not offer that immediate choice because the reason was said to be a domino theory where the choice of war or freedom would arrive later. The gun problem is not the same problem as war because it is down to the individual and the complex multi cause and effect of killing to end a problem in the mind of the individual as apposed to the view of politicians and leaders who have darker reasons for taking a whole country to war. Both are uncivilized but why should those people be concerned about being civilized. We in most cases elect our leaders because we can not be trusted to rule ourselves, hence our leaders see civilized society almost as gun fodder as did many generals in Britain in WW1. the truth is we are light years from being civilized and logic alone tells us it may be too late.
Thanks for posting this intelligent comment . Good stuff 👍
It’s in the United States Constitution only because it wasn’t even debated. At that time, each colony/state had proscribed that anyone owning land would be required to own a gun, and in at least one state, he, the householder, or settler, was loaned one musket and six pounds of gunpowder. It was to kill the Indigenous Americans, and secondly, to kill or capture runaway slaves. Hence, it wasn’t even debated at the debates of the Constitutional Convention. Boom.
Citation: Roxanne Dunbar Ortiz /Norwegian Prisons have the lowest rates of recidivism in the western world/world, and they’re essentially about helping them to become good neighbors.
Didn't Christopher Moltisanti punch Lauren Bacall in the mouth for her swag?
I don't think he would've dared. 🤣
Sorry, this is after RFK dead in 1968 and I remember as a 10-year-old the feeling if dead everywhere on television and my personal life .
No wonder Bogart fell in love with her. What a woman!
Absolutely. Power house of a woman
14:40 ..and Reagan's a symbol of authority - and they don't shoot at them.
I wanted to comment that too, when I heard him say that I nearly had to laugh. The other man then says "you mean they haven't yet", but then he makes it even worse by replying "I doubt that they will". I wonder whether he thought of this moment when he heard the news that one day.
Chilling moment, as both Ronald Reagan and George Wallace were shot in 1981, and 1972, respectively.
Lauren Bacall casually lighting a smoke. What a rebel😂.
Amazing
After watching this debate, I believe that cigarettes should be banned and that the government come to your door and rip the cigarettes out of your hand. Cigarettes kill.
In order to institute any wholesale restriction or prohibition on gun ownership, both houses of Congress would need to draft a new amendment to the Constitution. It's the only way to repeal the rights guaranteed by an existing Constitutional amendment. An amendment to the Constitution requires the greatest super majority consensus in Congress, it's either a 2/3 or 3/4 majority vote required to pass a new Constitutional amendment.
Wow Bailey and Bacall...those were the days...
Fortunately we've used logic to resolve all this and nobody talks about it anymore. ;)
"They don't shoot at Wallace or Reagan and I doubt that they will"
Wow in 1968 the future was told and what was to come. I remember being in Florida in 89 at a market and how easy it could be to buy a handgun , I was shocked.
And how easy it is to buy a truck, or a baseball bat or a knife or get onto a jumbo jet loaded with fuel. It's a wonder the murderers haven't already killed the rest of us.
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If we can't keep tons of drugs from flowing into the country, how do we keep 13,000 guns a year from coming in (the number of illegal homicides each year is generally under 13,000).
@@jna6246 well a hand gun at market is insane. That was in 89 I hope some things have changed.
@Gary Winthorp no idea I have never noticed guns in those stores could be wrong though !
@@mogg34y I don't recall flea markets predominately selling guns.
@@nunereclipsereborn oh I did back then !
When did we lose this elegance?
When we let Fox news to lie to America on television. When we let the GOP (greedy old pigs) take control of America in the 1980's. The NRA is a terrorist arm of the GOP.
The 2nd Amendment needs to evolve.
There are no tyrants.....it's an anachronism.
@Gary Winthorp
Why quote?
If you and your buddies think you can gather together and remove someone from political office by force using muskets/ WalMart weapons, you will all be arrested and tried as terrorists.
The 2nd Amendment is an anachronism, that will become moe obvious with increasing technology.
Those words are not a green light for terrorism.
The 2nd Amendment is a law for an ad hoc musket militia invented before the the discovery of electricity, now used as a law to reciprocate the deaths of the equivalent of over 12 WTC attacks ever year..... from suicides to street violence to robberies.
It was never intended as a law for self defense, and the amount of "justifiable homicides" per year, like towards others with firearms from the same law, is a tiny percentage of the total.
Make Police, schools, poor people and society safe : look at Australia.
Every day doesn't have to be a war zone in some communities.
@@MilesBellas if a group of friends tried to overthrow British rule of the colonies, they would have failed too. But it was tens (if not hundreds) of thousands of Americans.
Likewise your scenario is a strawman. In a country where people are comparing our president with Hitler, why are so many people wanting to give up their guns to Trump's administration.?
History does not end, humanity has survived through times of liberty and tyranny. Just because you live in liberty now doesn’t mean tyranny is abolished.
10 000 people write their congressman and one enclose a cheque for a million $, who do these people the congressman would listen to. No one here talks about money in politics.
I wonder if Lauren Bacall implored her husband to turn down every movie role that glorified guns.
Which husband?
Hollywood celebs like Lauren Bacall thought they knew better than us way back then too...
Lol, I was thinking the same thing listening to this garbage.
You'd have thought that sometime in the past half century we wolld've learned to stop listening to naive and ignorant celebrities.
Donald Trump is literally the definition of a celebrity yet you MAGA morons all fall in line and worship him as the second coming of Christ. Give me a break.
Debate?
Amazing discourse. Not shouting over each other etc
Because they all agree with each other.
these people are all traumatized and it shows. but what infuriates me is that we are still having this idiotic discussion. lauren's question....how many people have to be killed? prescient.
It would be great to ask that question of the biggest GUN Banners: Joe Stalin, Adolf Hitler, Pol Pot, the Khmer Rouge, Muslim extremists, exactly,,, "How many people have to be killed" ?
@tie oneon what are the statistics for gun violence by unknowns?
5:12 the guy just predicted Red Flag Laws. If you have one neighbor, family member, coworker, etc. who hates you, then this could could happen to you in a red flag state.
Ironic that the one guest noted that Wallace and Reagan hadn't been shot and another guest replied with great prescience "Not yet."
Back when common goddamned sense wasn't immediately dismissed as, "leftist propaganda".
When a jetliner leans left its bond to turn sooner or later huh.
4:40 "yet"
Wow. And we are still having the same conversation about guns.
Wow.. Francis Lee Bailey from OJ Simpson trial!! This is an interesting debate seeing we are still having it, today
This discussion is just as relevant today as it was then. I would say the quality of people who have access to the commentary on the TV has deteriorated since then. Why did Robert Kennedy, Malcolm X, and Martin Luther King get it. Simple answer, WHITE PRIVILEGE. That needs to change.
@4:32 1979 discussion: “Bobby and Teddy have been fighting for gun control since Jack’s assassination.” LOL 😂 Bobby stopped advocating for gun control in June 1968.
This was not filmed in 1979. It aired on live TV on June 6, 1968 - the day that Robert Kennedy died from assassination.
"Reagan's a symbol of authority and they don't shoot at them" "They haven't yet." "I doubt that they will."
Happened 13 years later.
What year did this air?
June 1968
Such a great time of awakening in America.