I think the biggest tone difference in those two guitars comes from the tonal resonance difference in the pigmentation of the sticker that holds the little spring in the hole of the tremolo block.
I think the lack of pearly half-tones and blonde tonality in the one KHz and up range is probably because makers probably forgot to use unicorn tears, or the even more exclusive Aging Rocker Vodka Flop-Sweat, to polish the reciprocating giggle pins, so the more crapulent tones are getting swamped by fruity bean-curd harmonics.
Tyrannosaurus Girl I just realised that "pau" must be Portuguese for Spanish "palo" (as in stick, bat or, in this case, wood - like palosanto or palorosa). It took a while for the penny to drop!
No need to rename it because they have nothing to hide. Pau Ferro is a fantastic fingerboard wood. The change would make me more likely to the buy this guitar.
Just figured out the jazzmaster I bought this year has a pau ferro fretboard because of this video! I fell in love with how the neck looked because of the streaks but I had no clue it wasn't rosewood! I'm in love with pau ferro now!
When you are worrying about possible differences in sounds, unless it is immediately obvious then there is effectively no difference. Even if you can tell a tiny weeney difference when doing an A B test, the fact is that when you play actual music it is not an A B test. You just hear the current sound, and if that sounds fine then that is all that matters. Really, the most useful aspect of A B testing is indeed blind testing to expose hidden bias and preference.
No sound significant difference at all to my ears, but I don't have Eric Johnson hearing either. The slightest turn on the amps treble setting would render them identical. (edit for typo)
John Suhr has been using Pau Ferro on some of his guitars for years. It works well, tonal differences aren't huge and if its more sustainable then all good
Great move by Fender getting rid of rosewood! Pau Ferro is perfect for a strat with its bright tones and snappy attack! Im loving my strats in Pau Ferro.
Of course we can tell the difference !!! come on guys, its PRETTY CLEAR. I was not watching and guessed it right away, if that roundness comes from a pau ferro i would buy one NOW. But, pau ferro sound pretty warm, sweet on clean and punchy. Nothing bad with that at all, i could use a pau ferro guitar all day long :) and if it helps the environment, even better.
Just a note to the editor On headphones and phone speakers some "s" and "c" sounds are a bit harsh. Maybe you could consider using a de-esser on the talking bits
A far too common problem on most TH-cam videos. Seems like it's en vogue to emphasize sibilance these days, for some stupid reason. Kills my ears like nothing else.
Great video guys! I've had a couple of SRV Strats. Pau Ferro is a really, really nice looking wood and plays great. At any other time this'd be considered an upgrade and they'd charge more. Either way it's a Strat, they're great. :D I also completely agree with Mick's comments on quality and grade of wood making a difference. So sue me. :P
They didn't market Pau Ferro like they should have: it is actually a big upgrade on the cheap rosewood they were using on MIM Fenders, for example. It is harder and denser and needs less maintenance (lemon oil etc) to keep in top condition, plus you can cross borders with it and are helping protect endangered species of wild flora and fauna.
Years ago a company was selling aftermarket pau ferro (ironwood) necks for strats and they were an seriously expensive option. The marketing was that you had the smooth feel of ebony but with the warmer tone of rosewood with a pau ferro board.
Sound difference? Aren't we splitting hairs here? When we take in amps, strings, hardware, effects, recording mediums, humidity, etc., the sound difference provided by a fret board is a non factor. Congrats to these guys for not buying into the hype.
no I sense fear about it, I hear it and I see them hearing it as well but pretending that it's no big deal. It's not just timbre but sustain and attack differences.
Either you can hear the difference or you can not. I can. I was involved in the '70s in a lab in Britain where we tested tone woods both by ear ...by blindfold tests and with instruments to give us visual readouts of what we heard. The most fascinating thing if you take any solid wood body and cut it down so the body size is virtually a plank that has about 3 inches of wood from the centre of the strings the tone is unchanged no matter what wood or woods you use. So you could have a true Les Paul tone out of a plank with a half inch piece of maple over three quarter piece of mahogany base.
14:08 What it is, IMO, is Pete’s used to hearing a maple board. Pau Ferro is harder than rosewood and ebony, but less than maple. So you have a similar pop and snap of a maple board but not as much treble cut of rosewood. All subjective of course but could explain why.
Pete's playing is sooooooo subtle and rich at the same time ! he has a very unique touch and sound, i'm only at the beginning of the video and i'm liking it a lot !!
I have rosewoods and a Pau Ferro. And the only problem of PF is “it looks dry and corky” With fretboard waxing will get a little bit darker but never as dark aa rosewood. But wax will help to make it look not so dry. But soundwise, I don’t see any problem in PF
I could not hear a difference in this clip, to me both sounded very good! EDIT: I really liked the honesty about the blindfold test! AND: great playing from both Mick and Pete (as always)!
When you hear that A string just ring out so beautifully and perfectly at 1:25 so crystal clear from those alnico magnet pickups it’s the best pickups in my opinion Alnico 5 or fender noiseless pickups single coils no other way in 4th position selector.
I picked the PF over the RW. It sounds more crisp and snappy like a solid maple neck. String volume seemed more balanced on the PF and the RW sounded dull in comparison, like it needed some EQing. . (disclaimer: I am listening through an iphone speaker ;)
I had s SSD Spector bass years ago with pau ferro and loved it. Modulus used it for a short time as well. I was told pau ferro was a type of rosewood. It's definitely warmer than maple.
I couldn't tell the difference all the way through . I own the same guitar in Rosewood . My next one will be a Maple board . I have owned them in the past and love them . You can dial in any tone you need at the amp/pedals . Great Jams guys !
Morning wood could sound harsh or sweet, depending on the user. Being a species that's hard to ignore, and not so rare, i'd like to see it used more often as it is a more sustainable commodity, with the exception of some vintage equipment.
Sometimes tone differences like this are due to different measured pot values: I have a Strat with a 210k reading volume pot which sounds soooo sweeter than a 250k with same pickups. You can really fine-tune your instrument by changing pot values (you can lower their values with big parallel resistors, 2.2M, 3.3M or even 5.1M; to increase value and add brightness you have to buy another pot and hope it measures more kohms)
I'm not an electrical engineer but I dabble. Not sure your parallel resistors would do what you claim. A parallel resistor wouldn't lower their (your pots) values.. not far as I understand things. Resistors (particularly resistor-capacitor networks) filter frequencies.. which is why different value Pots color your tone differently.. and why tone circuits are literally a Pot (variable resistor) with a Cap attached. In a parallel circut.. your pot would filter frequences one way.. and the parallel branch of the circuit would filter frequencies differently.. and, because they're parallel.. those signals would be recombined at the end of the branch. Seems to me.. if you wanted a 250k pot to sound more like a 210k pot.. you wouldn't wire in a parallel circuit with a 2.2M, 3.3M or 5.1M resistor.. you'd maybe wire in a parallel circuit with a 210K resistor... right?
@@ffakr no, you’re wrong. If your volume pot measures 500k and you parallel it with a 500k resistor, your pickup will “see” a 250k resistance path to ground. Suhr HSS guitars use this trick to make the humbucker see 500k and the single coils see 500k.
@@shredgd5 Yes, you're right.. the formula for resistors in parallel is 1/R(total)=1/R(1) + 1/R(2) + etc. Two 500s in parallel turned to full would have a resesistance of 2/500 = 1/R(total).. R=250. A 250 Ohm pot with a parallel 2.2M resistor should have a max resistance of 224.5 Ohm. I'd delete my orig. incorrect reply but I don't want to leave the above correction dangling.
How many trees do they kill with all this paperwork?
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24:44 blind test. When you listen to it a few times, the ear recognizes the difference in tone. Rosewood definitely makes the bass strings warmer. If the guitarist had played with two guitars enough, if he knew the difference in sound, he would never confuse it. Paul ferro's sound a little bit matte. So why do some people hear this difference? I don't know. maybe we can call it a tonal ear that has been developing over the years.
I personally like the Pau Ferro fingerboard in this case. Looks prettier and I like that it has a bit of high end poke like a maple fingerboard that I usually prefer to play.
Thanks for this! I’ve been concerned about maybe buying a Vintera Strat because of the pau ferro fretboard, but no longer. But in all honesty, all I could really do was stare at that beautiful sunburst Strat with the beautifully colored and aged maple fretboard in the background. Gimme.
I own an Epiphone with rosewood and an Epiphone with pau ferro. The tonal difference between rosewood & pau ferro is negligible. The difference is the *feel* - and this is where the hardness and smoothness of pau ferro beats out rosewood IMO.
I am certainly not a guitar expert but I think the difference in tone wood on an electric guitar is pretty much zero. Acoustic guitar is a whole different story but the tone is in the body not the neck. Is there a different feel? Probably to a discerning player, yes.
@@iankinzel oh I agree with you fully. I am just tired of guitar salesman and even players saying how much a tone wood affects the sound of an electric guitar. I was also reading about magnetic decay of pickups. Basically it is so small that it is not even worth mentioning.
If you mine the Andertons sign at the back of the room for fingerboard material, I bet that wood has absorbed so much great tone that it would sound incredible and practically play itself.
No joke, I actually preferred the sound of the Pao Ferro significant better. The rosewood in this video had the same issues that I'm not a fan of in my main rosewood Strat neck. Hmm, I'm gonna have to get that on my next neck. Thanks for this video.
Agreed. It may be due to other factors, but at least between those two, the Pao Ferro sounded better. I suppose if it was good enough for Stevie Ray Vaughn, it's good enough for me.
Paul Reed Smith was very interesting when he was asked by a journalist if the new CITES regulations were going to affect his business adversely, he said, "No." Seemingly he has been buying up stocks of rosewood and other threatened woods for some years and will not be worried by the new regulations. Smart man!!
Simon Smith But this isn’t a question about availability. He’ll still run into problems of exporting his products irrespective of when he bought the rosewood and how much stock he has. He will most likely have to go through a “pre convention” certification process for the woods he already has, which will be simpler than the “full” certification requirements but not nil. Paul is a smart man... I’m sure there have been some changes to PRS processes but Paul’s not gonna come out in public expressing a sense of difficulty and problems with his company/brand/market... that’s not the kind of guy he is.
"it all makes massive difference" he says and then couldn't tell the difference - great. To make the comparison representative you'd have to swap the necks on the same guitar - and I can bet nobody would be able to tell which ones's which
Yep the George Carlin of BS there's no difference in tone your fingertips don't touch the fretboard .the tone is in your fingers . And the frets create that tone on his you play we been fed BS for years from fender and Gibson oh buy this one it's ebony neck much better tone but more expensive . It's like just bend over and were shove in in abit deeper .
I think the only reason why the SRV Strat has a pao ferro fretboard is that when the use of Brazilian rosewood was restricted, they wanted to come up with something interesting for it. It was not Stevie's choice since he had already passed away, but it looks amazing.
Here's my take before watching: I can tell the difference. Pau Ferro feels smoother (kinda like ebony or maple) because of its closed grain. It might affect some people's bends a tiny bit all else being equal.
Great video as always! In the future could you guys put the amps used in the description? I know we can usually tell by how a corner of it looks but it would make it a hell of a lot easier.
I absolutely agree with them. After 5 seconds of the video I`ve said - the guitar on the right sounds better. I assumed it was the rosewood guitar, but turns out I was wrong. So maybe the wood doesn`t have any impact on the sound as many people are saying?
if it made THAT much of a difference, there would be no argument... right?! I'm sure there is some Minute characteristic traits, but it's just not enough to matter unless you have the Absolute best equipment, ideal acoustics in the room and are one of the worlds greatest musicians... just sayin'.
Guys, pau ferro is a brazilian translation to iron wood - as you mentioned. Pronunciation is way easier than you struglin with: double R in portuguese means an H sound: just say pOW FEHO Pleeeeaaaaaseeeee, try this for the tele's video ;) Congrats on the video, Great work!
Good video. I have a Les Paul Special from 2012 with a Baked Maple fretboard. To my ear, it sounds slightly brighter but not enough to notice. Most people who see it and play it just assume it's rosewood
Rosewood was itself originally the cheaper substitute for ebony on fingerboards, wasn't it? 16:56 'Libidibia ferrea'? Sounds like a Bond girl to me. 18:23 Slightly lower Janka hardness should mean that it's a little easier to dent or (presumably) scratch, not great news since rosewood is already a bit too easy to leave dents in. The *longitudinal* shrinkage of wood is, apparently, usually very low www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/dimensional-shrinkage/ so hopefully the higher volumetric shrinkage number won't really affect how often you have to adjust the truss rod in response to changes in humidity etc.
Before the reveal, I think the orange sticker sounds a bit nicer... but it's seriously super close. Tone a bit thinner maybe on the green sticker? Now to see what's up. POST REVEAL EDIT: Damn. Pau Ferro. DAMN. I have to rethink my whole life!
I picked right, but my guess was mainly based on the grain and only a little on the tone. And to those who think fretboard material has no effect tone I'm curious if you feel the same comparing R/W to Maple?
I preferred the maple neck.... although the fiesta red Tele did sound more 'dark'. However the Precision did have more 'thump' in the midrange than the 12 string Kay. So after much hours of intensive thought I'm gonna go for the double bass drum kit with the added gong...that I will set fire to after every encore.
I have guitars with all 4 fretboards, Rosewood, Pau Ferro, Ebony, Maple. I can't say as I really hear much of a difference, from a tonal standpoint. It's the feel of a fretboard that gets my attention. If it's buttery smooth, I'm in. A great player sounds great on a mediocre guitar, whereas a mediocre player sounds mediocre on a great guitar, it really is in the hands. I resently purchased an American Elite Stratocaster with a maple fretboard. It was an instant hit for me, it's the overall feel of the guitar. The electronics are a bit overkill, way too many unnecessary tone selections, but the overall feel of the guitar is amazing. Neck contour makes a huge difference as well, if it fits your hand perfectly, you can't put it down. In Rosewood fretboards, I prefer compressed Rosewood, it just feels smoother.
These 2 boards look damn close on my phone. My Pau Ferro is radically different. It came dry and rough and super light cinnamon orange in hue. It’s growing on me. I think the neck shape, finish, and frets amount to more of a difference in feel and the pickups amount to more of a difference in tone. Unplugged on an acoustic that’s another story.
I think the biggest tone difference in those two guitars comes from the tonal resonance difference in the pigmentation of the sticker that holds the little spring in the hole of the tremolo block.
Francois Maurion i prefer no spring sticker for increased sustain...
I think the lack of pearly half-tones and blonde tonality in the one KHz and up range is probably because makers probably forgot to use unicorn tears, or the even more exclusive Aging Rocker Vodka Flop-Sweat, to polish the reciprocating giggle pins, so the more crapulent tones are getting swamped by fruity bean-curd harmonics.
@Gerry James Edwards: I wish I could like your comment 100 times! 😆
Please, I need someone to tell me whats the best tone adhesive for my little spring thingy stickers?
@@chrishenderson9130 I think you're right .
They've missed a massive marketing trick calling this wood 'pau ferro' and not its other name 'ironwood'! Who wouldn't want an ironwood guitar?
Fraser McFadyen Well, in Brazilian Portuguese "pau" is also slang for "cock", making it an iron-cock guitar.
underrated comment.
Anyone who has picked up anything made from ironwood, I would think. That stuff is heavy. I have to admit, though, that ironwood is just a cool name.
Tyrannosaurus Girl I just realised that "pau" must be Portuguese for Spanish "palo" (as in stick, bat or, in this case, wood - like palosanto or palorosa). It took a while for the penny to drop!
No need to rename it because they have nothing to hide. Pau Ferro is a fantastic fingerboard wood. The change would make me more likely to the buy this guitar.
those who doubt the tonal qualities of pau ferro should try a Suhr Standard Plus...
These guys are sooo knowledgeable!!! Well, one of them is anyway - the other one is just there for ear/eye candy ;)
I wonder if we'll ever know which /s
Mickipedia...
Whose eye candy I imagine
It's like Mick is telling a story and Pete is making the sound effects :-D
Now you've got them arguing over which one is the pretty one...
*wakes up in july 2017 from coma*
"Wow i can't wait to buy a george harrison solid rosewood body telecaster"
Imagine even back then when george called up fender and said. Make the whole thing out of fretboard
No. I've never stood at a gig and thought, "Dam I wish he was playing a maple neck!"
i have lol
Same; glad I’m not the only one.
Its for the player, not the audience
Just figured out the jazzmaster I bought this year has a pau ferro fretboard because of this video! I fell in love with how the neck looked because of the streaks but I had no clue it wasn't rosewood! I'm in love with pau ferro now!
How good can a Monday get? Mick and Pete - THE best Anderton's duo - play and talk Strats, wood and guitar stuff. OH YEAH!!
When you are worrying about possible differences in sounds, unless it is immediately obvious then there is effectively no difference. Even if you can tell a tiny weeney difference when doing an A B test, the fact is that when you play actual music it is not an A B test. You just hear the current sound, and if that sounds fine then that is all that matters. Really, the most useful aspect of A B testing is indeed blind testing to expose hidden bias and preference.
I have simple tastes. If I see Mick and/ or I see Strats, I hit like. Pete is certainly an added bonus!
No sound significant difference at all to my ears, but I don't have Eric Johnson hearing either. The slightest turn on the amps treble setting would render them identical. (edit for typo)
Brazilian luthiers have been using pau ferro to replace rosewood for years. There's no noticeble difference in sound.
Go and buy yourself a new set of ears if you think there's no difference 😄😄😄
@@Alfonzo862 sure boomer
@@Alfonzo862 The pickups are responsible for 99.9999% of the guitars sound
I’ll be honest. Sounds like two Strats to me. Who cares what wood?
Might as well compare the sound of a regular strat and one that's been blessed with holy water.
Mezurashii5 this killed me lmfao
The Pope blessed mine on Easter Sunday and I’m still an ‘okay’ player.
John Suhr has been using Pau Ferro on some of his guitars for years. It works well, tonal differences aren't huge and if its more sustainable then all good
Great move by Fender getting rid of rosewood! Pau Ferro is perfect for a strat with its bright tones and snappy attack! Im loving my strats in Pau Ferro.
Pau Ferrero Rocher lmao
I chuckled
We need more Pete and Mick videos, absolutely cracking together, incredible playing!
both sound wonderful, no difference
Pete is my favorite Anderton's member by a long shot. Love the personality
Guitar with Green Bridge Sticker is Rosewood, Guitar with Red Bridge Sticker is Pau Ferro, that should save a lot of time people.
Agreed. You can see the wood striations in the Pau Ferro fingerboard.
I clicked, I liked, and now I'm going back to sleep. I'll watch it later.
We all know if they sounded different it's because the rosewood strat had more sparkles in the finish.
yep Tone sparkles, people never talk about this key component of your guitar tone...
neun Arme haha
If the pau ferro was good for SRV it could be good for me too
Still the best guitar video series on youtube. Informative and entertaining with great guitar chops.
A bit of topic, but how has Pete not been on That Pedal Show yet?
Of course we can tell the difference !!! come on guys, its PRETTY CLEAR.
I was not watching and guessed it right away, if that roundness comes from a pau ferro i would buy one NOW.
But, pau ferro sound pretty warm, sweet on clean and punchy. Nothing bad with that at all, i could use a pau ferro guitar all day long :) and if it helps the environment, even better.
Just a note to the editor
On headphones and phone speakers some "s" and "c" sounds are a bit harsh. Maybe you could consider using a de-esser on the talking bits
A far too common problem on most TH-cam videos. Seems like it's en vogue to emphasize sibilance these days, for some stupid reason. Kills my ears like nothing else.
they sound exactly the same. the ferro actually looks a little nicer, if you like seeing the variations in the wood grain like I do.
warmoth used to say that pau ferro was halfway between rosewood and ebony,
your playing brought that through.
Great video guys! I've had a couple of SRV Strats. Pau Ferro is a really, really nice looking wood and plays great. At any other time this'd be considered an upgrade and they'd charge more. Either way it's a Strat, they're great. :D
I also completely agree with Mick's comments on quality and grade of wood making a difference. So sue me. :P
Going in blind, I preferred the Pau Ferro. It sounded better on clean, couldn't tell the difference with gain
As per usual....A HUGE smile on my face when these two are on! Thanks!
They didn't market Pau Ferro like they should have: it is actually a big upgrade on the cheap rosewood they were using on MIM Fenders, for example. It is harder and denser and needs less maintenance (lemon oil etc) to keep in top condition, plus you can cross borders with it and are helping protect endangered species of wild flora and fauna.
My Pau Ferro neck gets so dry
Years ago a company was selling aftermarket pau ferro (ironwood) necks for strats and they were an seriously expensive option. The marketing was that you had the smooth feel of ebony but with the warmer tone of rosewood with a pau ferro board.
Sound difference? Aren't we splitting hairs here? When we take in amps, strings, hardware, effects, recording mediums, humidity, etc., the sound difference provided by a fret board is a non factor. Congrats to these guys for not buying into the hype.
Exactly
no I sense fear about it, I hear it and I see them hearing it as well but pretending that it's no big deal. It's not just timbre but sustain and attack differences.
Either you can hear the difference or you can not. I can. I was involved in the '70s
in a lab in Britain where we tested tone woods both by ear ...by blindfold tests and with instruments to give us visual readouts of what we heard.
The most fascinating thing if you take any solid wood body and cut it down so
the body size is virtually a plank that has about 3 inches of wood from the centre of the strings the tone is unchanged no matter what wood or woods you use.
So you could have a true Les Paul tone out of a plank with a half inch piece of maple over three quarter piece of mahogany base.
Someone should tell Mick that the problem with Honey Badgers is that they don't give a fuck...
Far Cry lol
Jim Richardson I read that in "flaming".
14:08 What it is, IMO, is Pete’s used to hearing a maple board. Pau Ferro is harder than rosewood and ebony, but less than maple. So you have a similar pop and snap of a maple board but not as much treble cut of rosewood. All subjective of course but could explain why.
This pau ferro fretboard is very dark, looks nice! But there are some ones that look very light orangy and feel veeeery dry.
Pete's playing is sooooooo subtle and rich at the same time ! he has a very unique touch and sound, i'm only at the beginning of the video and i'm liking it a lot !!
I have rosewoods and a Pau Ferro.
And the only problem of PF is “it looks dry and corky”
With fretboard waxing will get a little bit darker but never as dark aa rosewood. But wax will help to make it look not so dry.
But soundwise, I don’t see any problem in PF
Mick and Pete, my inspiration to plug the amp in and jam along.
Off topic but Lake Placid Blue is absolutely gorgeous. Its the first time I've seen it, even if I didn't wanna play I'd buy it for display.
I could not hear a difference in this clip, to me both sounded very good! EDIT: I really liked the honesty about the blindfold test! AND: great playing from both Mick and Pete (as always)!
Epic Jam at 26:24! Special enjoyed Mick's final impromptu but both with great solos! Keep up the chemistry!
When you hear that A string just ring out so beautifully and perfectly at 1:25 so crystal clear from those alnico magnet pickups it’s the best pickups in my opinion Alnico 5 or fender noiseless pickups single coils no other way in 4th position selector.
I picked the PF over the RW. It sounds more crisp and snappy like a solid maple neck. String volume seemed more balanced on the PF and the RW sounded dull in comparison, like it needed some EQing. . (disclaimer: I am listening through an iphone speaker ;)
I had s SSD Spector bass years ago with pau ferro and loved it. Modulus used it for a short time as well. I was told pau ferro was a type of rosewood. It's definitely warmer than maple.
I couldn't tell the difference all the way through . I own the same guitar in Rosewood . My next one will be a Maple board . I have owned them in the past and love them . You can dial in any tone you need at the amp/pedals . Great Jams guys !
Morning wood might need a cites cerstifficate soon 😡
Richard Huckle quality comment, missed by most of the mouth-breathers on here
Good one.
Morning wood could sound harsh or sweet, depending on the user. Being a species that's hard to ignore, and not so rare, i'd like to see it used more often as it is a more sustainable commodity, with the exception of some vintage equipment.
Sometimes tone differences like this are due to different measured pot values: I have a Strat with a 210k reading volume pot which sounds soooo sweeter than a 250k with same pickups. You can really fine-tune your instrument by changing pot values (you can lower their values with big parallel resistors, 2.2M, 3.3M or even 5.1M; to increase value and add brightness you have to buy another pot and hope it measures more kohms)
I'm not an electrical engineer but I dabble.
Not sure your parallel resistors would do what you claim. A parallel resistor wouldn't lower their (your pots) values.. not far as I understand things.
Resistors (particularly resistor-capacitor networks) filter frequencies.. which is why different value Pots color your tone differently.. and why tone circuits are literally a Pot (variable resistor) with a Cap attached.
In a parallel circut.. your pot would filter frequences one way.. and the parallel branch of the circuit would filter frequencies differently.. and, because they're parallel.. those signals would be recombined at the end of the branch.
Seems to me.. if you wanted a 250k pot to sound more like a 210k pot.. you wouldn't wire in a parallel circuit with a 2.2M, 3.3M or 5.1M resistor.. you'd maybe wire in a parallel circuit with a 210K resistor... right?
@@ffakr no, you’re wrong. If your volume pot measures 500k and you parallel it with a 500k resistor, your pickup will “see” a 250k resistance path to ground. Suhr HSS guitars use this trick to make the humbucker see 500k and the single coils see 500k.
@@shredgd5 Yes, you're right.. the formula for resistors in parallel is 1/R(total)=1/R(1) + 1/R(2) + etc. Two 500s in parallel turned to full would have a resesistance of 2/500 = 1/R(total).. R=250. A 250 Ohm pot with a parallel 2.2M resistor should have a max resistance of 224.5 Ohm.
I'd delete my orig. incorrect reply but I don't want to leave the above correction dangling.
No you can't. Two pieces of pau ferro will be a different to each other as a piece of rosewood and pau ferro at different. Same goes for all woods.
No 2 pieces of wood can be the same.
Malcolm Hardwick a comma, or the lack thereof, completely changes your stance. Hmm.
Wow nice. It's make me more happy because my guitar neck is building of pau ferro. It's a beatiful wood!!
How many trees do they kill with all this paperwork?
24:44 blind test. When you listen to it a few times, the ear recognizes the difference in tone. Rosewood definitely makes the bass strings warmer. If the guitarist had played with two guitars enough, if he knew the difference in sound, he would never confuse it. Paul ferro's sound a little bit matte. So why do some people hear this difference? I don't know. maybe we can call it a tonal ear that has been developing over the years.
Conclusion: they both sound like strats and I look forward to the telecaster video.
I personally like the Pau Ferro fingerboard in this case. Looks prettier and I like that it has a bit of high end poke like a maple fingerboard that I usually prefer to play.
That SRV playing at the end was pure love
Man, that opening jam... sonic slippers & comfy chair - nice! Lovely playing chaps, bravo!
The greatest exit jam in the history of the internet happens at 26:28, don't miss it, Mick and Pete simply kill it!
If Pete touched my hand like that at 11:16 with his beautiful guitar hands I'd blush and lose track of my sentence 🥺
Thanks for this! I’ve been concerned about maybe buying a Vintera Strat because of the pau ferro fretboard, but no longer. But in all honesty, all I could really do was stare at that beautiful sunburst Strat with the beautifully colored and aged maple fretboard in the background. Gimme.
I own an Epiphone with rosewood and an Epiphone with pau ferro. The tonal difference between rosewood & pau ferro is negligible. The difference is the *feel* - and this is where the hardness and smoothness of pau ferro beats out rosewood IMO.
I am certainly not a guitar expert but I think the difference in tone wood on an electric guitar is pretty much zero. Acoustic guitar is a whole different story but the tone is in the body not the neck. Is there a different feel? Probably to a discerning player, yes.
@@andredegraaf1643 basically what I said
@@iankinzel oh I agree with you fully. I am just tired of guitar salesman and even players saying how much a tone wood affects the sound of an electric guitar. I was also reading about magnetic decay of pickups. Basically it is so small that it is not even worth mentioning.
Pau Ferro guitar is brighter (Of course) right from the first note / chord that pete played. IMO its actually a big upgrade.
That’s not the fingerboard that’s the pickup selector
If you mine the Andertons sign at the back of the room for fingerboard material, I bet that wood has absorbed so much great tone that it would sound incredible and practically play itself.
No joke, I actually preferred the sound of the Pao Ferro significant better. The rosewood in this video had the same issues that I'm not a fan of in my main rosewood Strat neck. Hmm, I'm gonna have to get that on my next neck. Thanks for this video.
Agreed. It may be due to other factors, but at least between those two, the Pao Ferro sounded better. I suppose if it was good enough for Stevie Ray Vaughn, it's good enough for me.
@Gary Winthorp Gotcha. I wondered about that, since I'd never even heard of Pao Ferro before the ban on rosewood.
Paul Reed Smith was very interesting when he was asked by a journalist if the new CITES regulations were going to affect his business adversely, he said, "No." Seemingly he has been buying up stocks of rosewood and other threatened woods for some years and will not be worried by the new regulations. Smart man!!
Actually he's probably been using pau ferro for years
Simon Smith But this isn’t a question about availability. He’ll still run into problems of exporting his products irrespective of when he bought the rosewood and how much stock he has. He will most likely have to go through a “pre convention” certification process for the woods he already has, which will be simpler than the “full” certification requirements but not nil.
Paul is a smart man... I’m sure there have been some changes to PRS processes but Paul’s not gonna come out in public expressing a sense of difficulty and problems with his company/brand/market... that’s not the kind of guy he is.
"it all makes massive difference" he says and then couldn't tell the difference - great. To make the comparison representative you'd have to swap the necks on the same guitar - and I can bet nobody would be able to tell which ones's which
Yep the George Carlin of BS there's no difference in tone your fingertips don't touch the fretboard .the tone is in your fingers . And the frets create that tone on his you play we been fed BS for years from fender and Gibson oh buy this one it's ebony neck much better tone but more expensive . It's like just bend over and were shove in in abit deeper .
I would totally buy a 7" of that beginning jam. So smooth.
I think the only reason why the SRV Strat has a pao ferro fretboard is that when the use of Brazilian rosewood was restricted, they wanted to come up with something interesting for it. It was not Stevie's choice since he had already passed away, but it looks amazing.
Actually I'm about to buy a MIM sunburst Strat with a Pau Ferrero Rocher fretboard :) Great video guys
What a LOVELY intro to the video!
Here's my take before watching: I can tell the difference. Pau Ferro feels smoother (kinda like ebony or maple) because of its closed grain. It might affect some people's bends a tiny bit all else being equal.
That comment answered the most important question. I've spent hours trying to find out 😄 Thanks !
To my ears, Pau Ferro has a similar upper mid hump like Maple, but not quite as much. Rosewood isn’t really brighter, but more mid-scooped.
Great video as always! In the future could you guys put the amps used in the description? I know we can usually tell by how a corner of it looks but it would make it a hell of a lot easier.
What an intro...absolutely beautiful solos. Hats off !
I absolutely agree with them. After 5 seconds of the video I`ve said - the guitar on the right sounds better. I assumed it was the rosewood guitar, but turns out I was wrong. So maybe the wood doesn`t have any impact on the sound as many people are saying?
if it made THAT much of a difference, there would be no argument... right?! I'm sure there is some Minute characteristic traits, but it's just not enough to matter unless you have the Absolute best equipment, ideal acoustics in the room and are one of the worlds greatest musicians... just sayin'.
I really enjoyed the schooling in this one. Thanks Mick!
Tom Anderson has been using Pau Ferro for years! I actually prefer it, much nicer grain.
Guys, pau ferro is a brazilian translation to iron wood - as you mentioned. Pronunciation is way easier than you struglin with: double R in portuguese means an H sound: just say pOW FEHO
Pleeeeaaaaaseeeee, try this for the tele's video ;)
Congrats on the video,
Great work!
I've been wanting someone to do this comparison. Thanks!
Great video Mick and Pete! And yah, I'm very glad the guitar industry is getting more environmentally friendly.
The standard variation of all the other components of the guitar will make a bigger difference than 2 very similar pieces of wood
Good video.
I have a Les Paul Special from 2012 with a Baked Maple fretboard. To my ear, it sounds slightly brighter but not enough to notice. Most people who see it and play it just assume it's rosewood
Please please get Pete, Mick and Ariel all together for one big epic episode!
15:31 okay, I'm sold, Pau Ferro it is for me
Rosewood was itself originally the cheaper substitute for ebony on fingerboards, wasn't it?
16:56 'Libidibia ferrea'? Sounds like a Bond girl to me.
18:23 Slightly lower Janka hardness should mean that it's a little easier to dent or (presumably) scratch, not great news since rosewood is already a bit too easy to leave dents in. The *longitudinal* shrinkage of wood is, apparently, usually very low www.wood-database.com/wood-articles/dimensional-shrinkage/ so hopefully the higher volumetric shrinkage number won't really affect how often you have to adjust the truss rod in response to changes in humidity etc.
This was great! Thanks. I do find that “the feel” of Pao Faro (Spelled correctly?) is a tad different from Rosewood. IMHO. Love the playing guys!
Before the reveal, I think the orange sticker sounds a bit nicer... but it's seriously super close. Tone a bit thinner maybe on the green sticker? Now to see what's up. POST REVEAL EDIT: Damn. Pau Ferro. DAMN. I have to rethink my whole life!
I picked right, but my guess was mainly based on the grain and only a little on the tone.
And to those who think fretboard material has no effect tone I'm curious if you feel the same comparing R/W to Maple?
I preferred the maple neck.... although the fiesta red Tele did sound more 'dark'. However the Precision did have more 'thump' in the midrange than the 12 string Kay. So after much hours of intensive thought I'm gonna go for the double bass drum kit with the added gong...that I will set fire to after every encore.
I have guitars with all 4 fretboards, Rosewood, Pau Ferro, Ebony, Maple. I can't say as I really hear much of a difference, from a tonal standpoint. It's the feel of a fretboard that gets my attention. If it's buttery smooth, I'm in. A great player sounds great on a mediocre guitar, whereas a mediocre player sounds mediocre on a great guitar, it really is in the hands. I resently purchased an American Elite Stratocaster with a maple fretboard. It was an instant hit for me, it's the overall feel of the guitar. The electronics are a bit overkill, way too many unnecessary tone selections, but the overall feel of the guitar is amazing. Neck contour makes a huge difference as well, if it fits your hand perfectly, you can't put it down. In Rosewood fretboards, I prefer compressed Rosewood, it just feels smoother.
This is the best answer for all guitar videos ever made.
this is great
both guys are fantastic
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The Libidibi one sounds a bit bigger to my ears, but both sound just fine, played by Mick and Pete. ;)
I'm one of the weirdos who likes a warmer tone rather than bright. The Rosewood sounds way better through my speakers.
Fun detail to tonewood guys.
Pau Ferro is a very sort after wood from classical guitar luthiers, probably more than rosewood.
Renan Beltrão sort after you mean. Brasilia Rosewood is the most sort after, then ebony, cedar, spruce, maple.
sought after....
Beat Hermit corrected up there. Thanks
"...sought after FOR classical..." br aqui. ;) mas acho q dá pra entender
Maybe in different regions but that is not so on the international market.
The Pau Ferro guitar was a nice sounding Strat! Could be for all sorts of reasons though - I doubt it's the fingerboard.
Stunning jam session at the beginning! Nice one guys!
These 2 boards look damn close on my phone. My Pau Ferro is radically different. It came dry and rough and super light cinnamon orange in hue. It’s growing on me. I think the neck shape, finish, and frets amount to more of a difference in feel and the pickups amount to more of a difference in tone. Unplugged on an acoustic that’s another story.
great playing guys. Very nice on the opening.