I just Googled this, and 100% is identical, except for the dosing cup. They’re charging almost $1000 USD for it on Aliexpress as well. I’m thinking either they are connected and this is it’s North American release partner, or something. Very odd, thank you for pointing this out.
@@SprometheusI think Gevi is just the outside-of-China brand that Barsetto adopts. Just last year they caused somewhat of an uproar regarding their domestic pricing.
@@lilteyang yeah that would be my first thought, interesting to see the pricing me so high on Aliexpress but then they told me the cost of this unit would be competitive to the Sculptor. So I guess it’s a wait and see thing.
Gevi commented in their Facebook group: "Thank you for your messages and your interest in Gevi coffee grinders. Both the Barsetto and Gevi products stem from the same manufacturing and research and development site. Gevi products are developed, produced, and manufactured in alignment with international standards, including those of Europe and the United States." P much everything they say in the group is kinda vapid marketing speak tbh but I guess what i'm taking away from this is that Gevi and Barsetto are basically just the same products with different brandings for deomstic vs international markets.
@@WTFA54 Makes sense, same parent company at the end of the day then, which makes sense. To note though, the Barsetto E6 is 240V only as far as I can tell. Also it's been around for a while now (a few people I follow on socials have one) and comb in with similar findings.
They are listening to feedback and are making great adjustments. Since then they made it 360 degree stepless, they upgraded the RMP adjustment knob to stainless steel with a plastic housing to meet safety certification requirements and, and they are working hard to improving the build quality addressing different issues that beta testers had, also on top of being stepless now, they went further and are shortening the thread pitch to 5 micrometer to further enlarge its espresso range and have modified the structure of some inner parts to make sure there won't be any drift problem. Moreover, they’re changing the charging port of the scale to a USB-C port, and are upgrading the back cover, the dosing chute, and the anchor (this'll fix the wiggle mentioned here in the video). regarding the residue in the prebreaker area, I reached out to them and they told me they saw that and are making efforts to minimize it.
Thank you for the review. This grinder seems to have several interesting features/tech. Was concerned about probable price level, but at the amount you indicated, then I can see many seasoned crowd-funding veterans being interested, and perhaps accept the various Quirks you mentioned. I see this as another grinder that will push the market of more established grinder manufacturers forward, and that has to be a Good Thing. Take care, everyone.
You’re welcome Alan, and thanks for watching. That’s true, I mean, I can definitely see it pushing other established companies to perhaps drop their prices a little too. If it is indeed in the $3-400 range. The explosion of RPM control has to at some point drop the price of that feature being used to push higher retail cost.
You're the only one who's done an independent review of this grinder. It's a pity that you have not been given an opportunity to review the final version of the product - I would have loved to hear your views
@@Sprometheus Delays, poor communication, lack of transparency. I mean, not unlike other crowdfunded projects, but I guess I expected more from a well established company like Timemore. US shipment went from “around June” to… maybe by the end of the year. Maybe.
@@Sprometheus@Sprometheus we were promised a August delivery in the US have now been pushed back to October November and that update was 3 months ago in July there has been no update about when the US will ship since
My experiences with timemore customer support have been atrocious so I'm really not surprised. I got a badly misaligned hand grinder they refused to see the issue with, outright lying to my face about the problem.
@@Sprometheuslack of communication, delays and a couple of "lies" or deliberate missing info. The campaign had the shipping date for June 2023, but they hadnt the proper certifications for a bunch of countries (and they still havent informed us about some of them). They basically put a fake shipping date that they knew was impossible to reach. Their communications are usually lackluster and sparse, one per month at most. They started shipping the first batch of grinders at the begining of August but most of them havent arrived yet. Mine is in the thirs batch, they said it was shipped on the first week of September and that it takes "35-40 work days" to arrive, so I wont get it until November if im lucky. But they still have to ship 8~10 more batches at least, so some people will probably receive it almost 1 year late.
I don't know about you all. But I am waiting for the coffee grinder that uses a cold laser that claims to have no distrubution curve because it cuts all the grounds the exact same size that is retention free and anti static
Very nice review with great detailed footage! I tested the Gevi 4 in 1 for espresso, whose grinder looks very similar to this GrindMaster. I also found the espresso dial range to be way too small, which is really a deal breaker for espresso prep, especially at this price range. I do like the anodized look and feel of the grinder though, and the scale is cool. Finally, grinds will always get stick inside the grinder, regardless of anti-static measures at the chute. Bellows will help the most, I'd say. To be fair, the Fellow Opus is also single dose focused with an antistatic exit, and it retained 1.0 to 1.5 grams for me, before I used the lid as a makeshift bellows.
It starts at 438, + 50 for the scale, + 165 for ssp (that was the “VIP Pricing”, got an email after signing up their newsletter). I hesitate to fund because of the step adjustment, as I mainly make espresso.
great stuff Spro, as always! Curious about your thoughts on this compared to DF64V and DF64 version 2? I have a lever machine with LSM group and really only do espresso shots. Very few milk drinks. I tend to like a more classic profile of a medium to medium dark roast with good body.
Done with high end/expectations crowdfunding after Weber key, and watching sculptor issues. Prefer direct from manufacturer to customer or waiting and paying more on the backend
If it was up to me, I'd pick it up as a bazooka and fire the burrs. But evidently, parts seem a bit too loose to even risk moving it at all as with most grinders. Looks cool though lol.
Haha once you see that you can’t I see it. And yes, that flex and panel gap is the main concern for me personally, but the look for me just isn’t my favorite. But I give them credit for breaking from norms a bit on that front.
I’ve been in search of a quality Espresso capable grinder for a while. I am completely blind and stepless grinders just would not be practical even with tactile markings as adjustments would be too minuscule when trying to adjust freehand in a consistent or repeatable manner. I’m sure the Onyx ESP and other grinders like it can do the job, but I would prefer to get something of better quality and with tactile feedback. Currently, I’m using a J-Max hand grinder with my Cafelat Robot, but grinding multiple shots by hand can get tedious. The Weber grinders are also simply out of my budget. I was really interested in the Timemore sculptor and am still considering the filter coffee focused grinder, but as the 078S is stepless… Does the GrindMaster compare favorably to the 078S or other grinders around that price point? Is there perhaps another stepped espresso capable grinder that could also be an option? My preference would be to settle on one machine that can do both filter and espresso, but even just espresso focused would be fine.
@@xianandchristiansplayhouse As I mentioned, stepless would not be practical as the adjustments would be so minuscule that being able to distinguish by touch just isn’t going to happen. With or without tactile markings. It looks like Mazzer introduced a new grinder that can be stepped or stepless with a 6 micron adjustment. That seems promising for someone with my particular needs.
It’s not chocking it has some internal retention issues, this is fundamentally an altered Odd and grinding fine with Ode results in the exact same issue in the exact same places. The Chinese company making these clearly looked at Ode and made some changes and upgraded it here and there, this is just a rebranding of that Chinese made grinder. The plasma generator is also used in the Df83 that was the first to use it, then it came out in DF64 G2. Ode v2 had an ioniser and was the first out with solution like this, zerno Z1 also use one as well. So it’s more like the 5th grinder or so that implements this sort of technology. Personally I find these sort of products getting rather repetitive and nothing new is really coming out… it’s choices but it dos start feeling quite saturated.
I have the E6 with a modded click dial up to 130 steps. Despite the similarities between Gevi and Barsetto, they are not sister companies. They're sourcing from the same factory so perhaps the mods made for the E6 might fit but that's entirely up to speculation at this point.
while this may be a terrible take, i do kinda like the idea that grinder tech is all becoming so similar and similar quality that at somepoint its gonna just be about what you think looks the best 😂
Yeah, I’d say if you want an espresso focused grinder or one that does it better the DF64 is a solid choice in that price range, especially the new version.
From you video it looks like there are at most 4 "usable" espresso steps. Setting 0 is almost stalled, and 5 is a gusher. For espresso, I would call this a clear deal-breaker. For filter only, I'd call it a good value.
As always great video, I think it will all depend on the price of the grinder does seem to offer value but there are so many grinder out now compared to five years ago when I started getting really interested in espresso :)
Thank you. And that’s true, it does offer the features that only more expensive grinders used to offer, they even say they looked at the P64 and Zerno for their inspiration, but the price point will likely be much lower, like I said closer to the sculptor. But we’ll see! And yes, the grinder market has become something entirely different than it was when I started getting into home brewing in 2016-2017.
Well it seems to me that it will be another far from reality crowdfunding project. On the paper it looks everything nice also the design but as most of the grinders today they are created with 3d printers and the procedures of durability etc. are not taken into account as you would produce it on industry level, for example the support pillar you mentioned in your video. A grinder on indusry level also would be tested by ergonomy of the motor as well as how many kilos of coffee(sorry metric system) can get throught the grinder before the burrs need to be sharpened. I would be surprised that the grinder will be delivered as described on a concrete date.
I definitely understand the concern on them delivering, and I of course can’t say personally. But when I’m asked to review crowdfunding projects I really try to do my due diligence on the brand, especially after the Xbar. But in the case of Gevi they appear to have a pretty broad product range already, and released another crowdfunded grinder/brewer a little while back that appears to have been delivered. And this grinder seems to be a standalone, albeit upgraded version of the grinder in that paired version. So I think it’s a safe bet to back, but if it will stand the test of time and use, that’s something that’s really up in the air.
Looks like it's trying to be an Ode killer. Without strong reliability and durability, excellent consumer support, and spare parts for sale, I'm not sold.
9 months later, timemore still hasn't shipped out to the US. i'll never buy a crowdfunded grinder. no way i'm taking their word on when they "estimate" product to be ready not to mention holding my money for nearly a year. IT'S A GRINDER PEOPLE!
I think this video was premature and needs a do over. How would your review change if I told you that the price is not going to be around $300-$400 (a possibility that you proposed), but will actually be priced at $949 to $1,164 (depending on options)? Their crowdfunding prices are $499-$714, but that’s not going to last. Holy moly that’s a large price tag and needs to be considered when reviewing this product, right?
Well I think it’s easy to look at it again months later, and pick apart things they’ve changed since they got feedback (for better or worse). Yet they sent me this unit and asked that I had a review out within 1 week of receiving it, I negotiated to a 3 week timeframe to give myself more time since I don’t rush reviews. They also didn’t give me clear pricing information and just said it would be close to Timemore’s Sculptor campaign which left me guessing $300-400. Out of respect for them I’m not going to get into why I didn’t like working with them as a brand, but I will say at this point I don’t plan on touching one again and I wouldn’t pay more than the Sculptor for it.
So many gimmicks. I feel like coffee grinders are becoming like the latest Apple products over the years. The only true innovations happen at the very high end of the market (aka the Zerno Z1 range), and - sometimes - trickle down to more affordable segments so a random chinese owned brand can upsell you a 250$ product for double the price because it has a scale and antistatic tech so you don't have to waste a precious second of your life using the RDT and taring the overpriced scale you probably already have.
Ha....you show a 0 and a 5 in the video as way to show there aren't enough steps. There are literally 24 steps between 0 and 5. How is that fair for analysis? What does a 1 look compared to 1 step above that? Who cares if 5 is too big for espresso when there may be 10 steps that work??? What a horribly skewed view.
This either has to be made by or copied from the Barsetto E6 grinder (only available in Asia).
I just Googled this, and 100% is identical, except for the dosing cup. They’re charging almost $1000 USD for it on Aliexpress as well.
I’m thinking either they are connected and this is it’s North American release partner, or something. Very odd, thank you for pointing this out.
@@SprometheusI think Gevi is just the outside-of-China brand that Barsetto adopts. Just last year they caused somewhat of an uproar regarding their domestic pricing.
@@lilteyang yeah that would be my first thought, interesting to see the pricing me so high on Aliexpress but then they told me the cost of this unit would be competitive to the Sculptor. So I guess it’s a wait and see thing.
Gevi commented in their Facebook group:
"Thank you for your messages and your interest in Gevi coffee grinders. Both the Barsetto and Gevi products stem from the same manufacturing and research and development site. Gevi products are developed, produced, and manufactured in alignment with international standards, including those of Europe and the United States."
P much everything they say in the group is kinda vapid marketing speak tbh but I guess what i'm taking away from this is that Gevi and Barsetto are basically just the same products with different brandings for deomstic vs international markets.
@@WTFA54 Makes sense, same parent company at the end of the day then, which makes sense. To note though, the Barsetto E6 is 240V only as far as I can tell. Also it's been around for a while now (a few people I follow on socials have one) and comb in with similar findings.
They are listening to feedback and are making great adjustments. Since then they made it 360 degree stepless, they upgraded the RMP adjustment knob to stainless steel with a plastic housing to meet safety certification requirements and, and they are working hard to improving the build quality addressing different issues that beta testers had, also on top of being stepless now, they went further and are shortening the thread pitch to 5 micrometer to further enlarge its espresso range and have modified the structure of some inner parts to make sure there won't be any drift problem. Moreover, they’re changing the charging port of the scale to a USB-C port, and are upgrading the back cover, the dosing chute, and the anchor (this'll fix the wiggle mentioned here in the video). regarding the residue in the prebreaker area, I reached out to them and they told me they saw that and are making efforts to minimize it.
Thank you for the review. This grinder seems to have several interesting features/tech. Was concerned about probable price level, but at the amount you indicated, then I can see many seasoned crowd-funding veterans being interested, and perhaps accept the various Quirks you mentioned. I see this as another grinder that will push the market of more established grinder manufacturers forward, and that has to be a Good Thing. Take care, everyone.
You’re welcome Alan, and thanks for watching. That’s true, I mean, I can definitely see it pushing other established companies to perhaps drop their prices a little too. If it is indeed in the $3-400 range. The explosion of RPM control has to at some point drop the price of that feature being used to push higher retail cost.
You're the only one who's done an independent review of this grinder. It's a pity that you have not been given an opportunity to review the final version of the product - I would have loved to hear your views
My experience thus far with the Timemore Sculptor campaign has me swearing off crowdfunding. I'm stepping off the grinder hype train for a while...
Interesting, do tell. Have they not shipped yet or what’s the issue?
@@Sprometheus Delays, poor communication, lack of transparency. I mean, not unlike other crowdfunded projects, but I guess I expected more from a well established company like Timemore. US shipment went from “around June” to… maybe by the end of the year. Maybe.
@@Sprometheus@Sprometheus we were promised a August delivery in the US have now been pushed back to October November and that update was 3 months ago in July there has been no update about when the US will ship since
My experiences with timemore customer support have been atrocious so I'm really not surprised. I got a badly misaligned hand grinder they refused to see the issue with, outright lying to my face about the problem.
@@Sprometheuslack of communication, delays and a couple of "lies" or deliberate missing info.
The campaign had the shipping date for June 2023, but they hadnt the proper certifications for a bunch of countries (and they still havent informed us about some of them). They basically put a fake shipping date that they knew was impossible to reach.
Their communications are usually lackluster and sparse, one per month at most. They started shipping the first batch of grinders at the begining of August but most of them havent arrived yet. Mine is in the thirs batch, they said it was shipped on the first week of September and that it takes "35-40 work days" to arrive, so I wont get it until November if im lucky. But they still have to ship 8~10 more batches at least, so some people will probably receive it almost 1 year late.
I don't know about you all. But I am waiting for the coffee grinder that uses a cold laser that claims to have no distrubution curve because it cuts all the grounds the exact same size that is retention free and anti static
I’m with you. I’m ready for a grinder to defy physics and logic in all its forms.
Very nice review with great detailed footage! I tested the Gevi 4 in 1 for espresso, whose grinder looks very similar to this GrindMaster. I also found the espresso dial range to be way too small, which is really a deal breaker for espresso prep, especially at this price range. I do like the anodized look and feel of the grinder though, and the scale is cool. Finally, grinds will always get stick inside the grinder, regardless of anti-static measures at the chute. Bellows will help the most, I'd say. To be fair, the Fellow Opus is also single dose focused with an antistatic exit, and it retained 1.0 to 1.5 grams for me, before I used the lid as a makeshift bellows.
It starts at 438, + 50 for the scale, + 165 for ssp (that was the “VIP Pricing”, got an email after signing up their newsletter). I hesitate to fund because of the step adjustment, as I mainly make espresso.
great stuff Spro, as always! Curious about your thoughts on this compared to DF64V and DF64 version 2? I have a lever machine with LSM group and really only do espresso shots. Very few milk drinks. I tend to like a more classic profile of a medium to medium dark roast with good body.
Done with high end/expectations crowdfunding after Weber key, and watching sculptor issues. Prefer direct from manufacturer to customer or waiting and paying more on the backend
If it was up to me, I'd pick it up as a bazooka and fire the burrs. But evidently, parts seem a bit too loose to even risk moving it at all as with most grinders. Looks cool though lol.
Haha once you see that you can’t I see it. And yes, that flex and panel gap is the main concern for me personally, but the look for me just isn’t my favorite. But I give them credit for breaking from norms a bit on that front.
What do you think of the pre-breaker/auger design? Is it likely to generate a lot of retention/exhange?
When you talk about settings 5 for espresso, do you mean 5 notches (step #1) or step #5 (25 notches)?
I mean notches, or clicks, so the espresso dial in is literally 5 settings on the 65 click dial. The manual confirms this as well.
Curious to hear your impressions of what the standard burrs deliver in the cup compared to your experience with 64mm SSP HU burrs.
Everything I need to know, every time. Happy Friday brother
Thank you my friend, I appreciate that!
I’ve been in search of a quality Espresso capable grinder for a while. I am completely blind and stepless grinders just would not be practical even with tactile markings as adjustments would be too minuscule when trying to adjust freehand in a consistent or repeatable manner. I’m sure the Onyx ESP and other grinders like it can do the job, but I would prefer to get something of better quality and with tactile feedback. Currently, I’m using a J-Max hand grinder with my Cafelat Robot, but grinding multiple shots by hand can get tedious. The Weber grinders are also simply out of my budget.
I was really interested in the Timemore sculptor and am still considering the filter coffee focused grinder, but as the 078S is stepless…
Does the GrindMaster compare favorably to the 078S or other grinders around that price point? Is there perhaps another stepped espresso capable grinder that could also be an option? My preference would be to settle on one machine that can do both filter and espresso, but even just espresso focused would be fine.
I believe the baratza vario + has really good mechanism for repeatability and switching between brews
What’s wrong with the Niche Duo?
@@xianandchristiansplayhouse As I mentioned, stepless would not be practical as the adjustments would be so minuscule that being able to distinguish by touch just isn’t going to happen. With or without tactile markings. It looks like Mazzer introduced a new grinder that can be stepped or stepless with a 6 micron adjustment. That seems promising for someone with my particular needs.
It’s not chocking it has some internal retention issues, this is fundamentally an altered Odd and grinding fine with Ode results in the exact same issue in the exact same places.
The Chinese company making these clearly looked at Ode and made some changes and upgraded it here and there, this is just a rebranding of that Chinese made grinder.
The plasma generator is also used in the Df83 that was the first to use it, then it came out in DF64 G2.
Ode v2 had an ioniser and was the first out with solution like this, zerno Z1 also use one as well.
So it’s more like the 5th grinder or so that implements this sort of technology.
Personally I find these sort of products getting rather repetitive and nothing new is really coming out… it’s choices but it dos start feeling quite saturated.
Thanks for this review! very very useful
I have the E6 with a modded click dial up to 130 steps. Despite the similarities between Gevi and Barsetto, they are not sister companies. They're sourcing from the same factory so perhaps the mods made for the E6 might fit but that's entirely up to speculation at this point.
while this may be a terrible take, i do kinda like the idea that grinder tech is all becoming so similar and similar quality that at somepoint its gonna just be about what you think looks the best 😂
That’s not a bad point. I guess my main frustration is with marketing. Everything is revolutionary but instead, it fits perfectly into the puzzle.
How it looks or how big it is = my first thing I look for. Thing has to sit on my bench.
Thank you my friend.
You’re welcome! Have a great weekend.
Anyone find it odd that this came out right around the time evidence of an alien cadaver was made public?
There’s no such thing as a coincidence
@Sprometheus think this may have come about from Trump letting random hotel visitors look through classified military technical documents then?
Cool kindly advice me how l can get one
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Indeed! Have a great weekend!
I am looking at their campaign page now and it says STEPLESS . Did they changed their mind? In the videos it says 65 stepped...
From what I understand they changed it after mine and likely others feedback as it made espresso difficult to dial in.
Gevi advertises the grinder having pre-breaker. You don’t mention it in your review. Did your version lacked the pre-breaker?
I hope it does well. The dark one looks pretty good I think
Look cool. Just wish it was stepless for espresso
Yeah, I’d say if you want an espresso focused grinder or one that does it better the DF64 is a solid choice in that price range, especially the new version.
cant beat the ek34. thanks
From you video it looks like there are at most 4 "usable" espresso steps. Setting 0 is almost stalled, and 5 is a gusher. For espresso, I would call this a clear deal-breaker. For filter only, I'd call it a good value.
Veggies. It makes the quirks and downsides the veggies. 4:46
Just got an email today that they're upgrading the device to stepless, and that there will be no change to the price or delivery time.
As always great video, I think it will all depend on the price of the grinder does seem to offer value but there are so many grinder out now compared to five years ago when I started getting really interested in espresso :)
Thank you. And that’s true, it does offer the features that only more expensive grinders used to offer, they even say they looked at the P64 and Zerno for their inspiration, but the price point will likely be much lower, like I said closer to the sculptor. But we’ll see! And yes, the grinder market has become something entirely different than it was when I started getting into home brewing in 2016-2017.
Well it seems to me that it will be another far from reality crowdfunding project. On the paper it looks everything nice also the design but as most of the grinders today they are created with 3d printers and the procedures of durability etc. are not taken into account as you would produce it on industry level, for example the support pillar you mentioned in your video. A grinder on indusry level also would be tested by ergonomy of the motor as well as how many kilos of coffee(sorry metric system) can get throught the grinder before the burrs need to be sharpened. I would be surprised that the grinder will be delivered as described on a concrete date.
I definitely understand the concern on them delivering, and I of course can’t say personally. But when I’m asked to review crowdfunding projects I really try to do my due diligence on the brand, especially after the Xbar.
But in the case of Gevi they appear to have a pretty broad product range already, and released another crowdfunded grinder/brewer a little while back that appears to have been delivered. And this grinder seems to be a standalone, albeit upgraded version of the grinder in that paired version. So I think it’s a safe bet to back, but if it will stand the test of time and use, that’s something that’s really up in the air.
Same grinder as the E6. Variation from the same parent company
Yeah someone pointed that out earlier, will be interesting to see the pricing since the E6 is $1,000 on Aliexpress
Looks like it's trying to be an Ode killer.
Without strong reliability and durability, excellent consumer support, and spare parts for sale, I'm not sold.
My take on crowsource is... check their previous campaign... if they don't have one... let some other sucker go at it first.
Built to be used with a delonghi. Which is pretty hilarious to me
9 months later, timemore still hasn't shipped out to the US. i'll never buy a crowdfunded grinder. no way i'm taking their word on when they "estimate" product to be ready not to mention holding my money for nearly a year. IT'S A GRINDER PEOPLE!
I think this video was premature and needs a do over. How would your review change if I told you that the price is not going to be around $300-$400 (a possibility that you proposed), but will actually be priced at $949 to $1,164 (depending on options)? Their crowdfunding prices are $499-$714, but that’s not going to last. Holy moly that’s a large price tag and needs to be considered when reviewing this product, right?
Well I think it’s easy to look at it again months later, and pick apart things they’ve changed since they got feedback (for better or worse).
Yet they sent me this unit and asked that I had a review out within 1 week of receiving it, I negotiated to a 3 week timeframe to give myself more time since I don’t rush reviews.
They also didn’t give me clear pricing information and just said it would be close to Timemore’s Sculptor campaign which left me guessing $300-400.
Out of respect for them I’m not going to get into why I didn’t like working with them as a brand, but I will say at this point I don’t plan on touching one again and I wouldn’t pay more than the Sculptor for it.
So many gimmicks. I feel like coffee grinders are becoming like the latest Apple products over the years. The only true innovations happen at the very high end of the market (aka the Zerno Z1 range), and - sometimes - trickle down to more affordable segments so a random chinese owned brand can upsell you a 250$ product for double the price because it has a scale and antistatic tech so you don't have to waste a precious second of your life using the RDT and taring the overpriced scale you probably already have.
Ha....you show a 0 and a 5 in the video as way to show there aren't enough steps. There are literally 24 steps between 0 and 5. How is that fair for analysis? What does a 1 look compared to 1 step above that? Who cares if 5 is too big for espresso when there may be 10 steps that work??? What a horribly skewed view.
That's a very good catch!But regardless Gevi switch to step-less dai.
Another expensive useless 64mm burr grinder.