The irony of drag race having a wrestling challenge when one of the most memorable moments from the previous season was “drag is not a contact sport” will never seize to baffle me
also there are rumors that say that the footage for that lip sync did not include india being lifted up so they asked mimi to recreate the moment again. The judges loved it so much they eliminated her haha
Tbh I think the pink table talk from AS6 should be here too, that challenge was so weird the fact that to win you have you share a sad story, it’s was like the werkroom conversations from every week made in to a challenge
Exactly, and the way they said Pandora was low because she wasn’t comfortable talking about her body dysmorphia pissed me off. Plus they totally came for Scarlet’s and Jan’s personalities that episode made me “uncomfortable.”
@@itsikabitch9005 yeah when ru said that it made her uncomfortable I was like “ if You felt uncomfortable watching it, think about how they felt talking about it to the entire world
I agree with all of you, also what happened if your sad story Is not that sad? You get sent home? Not everybody has to have, and shouldn't be forced to share it, has to come natural. Like who thought of that challenge
I think there shouldn't have been bottom two in the Madonna rusical. Everyone did so well imo and instead of a bottom two Gigi and Jan should have lip synced for the win
One challenge I might as well suggest for this: Shade: The Rusical. This was the first musical challenge where they had to sing live (I think partly to highlight trained singers Courtney Act and Adore Delano). Then in the actual challenge, no one did particularly "bad", I'd argue. And then we get to the two who were actually in the bottom : April Carrion and Trinity K. Bonet. TKB, I'd say, did soso in the challenge at best, as best as she could when paired up next to the force of personality that is Bianca Del Rio. Bianca's singing is... fine, but she was able to use her personality and all to camp her character up. And then Trinity, who had one of the quietest personalities in it up to then, got paired up next to her? And then we get to April, who was forced to play the "big girl" archetype and had to wear a fat suit during the performance (due to her being, well, not a plus-sized person). First off, why was "big girl" even a character in this, when that kind of label is admittedly degrading. Second off, if they were insistent on someone playing that role, why give it to someone who's pretty small and couldn't fit that? I mean, what would've happened if they actually HAD a "big girl" in the cas- oh hi Darienne Lake! And third, she was critiqued for not being able to portray a "big girl" well. But, again, SHE'S NOT THAT! So for the bottom placements being pretty questionable (especially with one of them being there for playing a possibly offensive stereotype character that she’d have a hard time playing due to not being the right body type) and everyone doing fine for the most part, they probably didn't need to have a bottom 2 there.
I'd also say that "you didn't have the attitude a big girl has" as a critique was highly problematic. It is reducing big queens to one stereotypical personality
also, why was trinity in the bottom two instead of gia? even if you pretend the critiques of april's performance make any sense, gia was so offkey she was unintentionally harmonizing sometimes. trinity's biggest crime is...being overshadowed by bianca del rio? as if most quieter queens, scratch that most queens period, wouldn't do the same?
Even though the bottom six was complete nonsense and made for a difficult lip sync to watch and enjoy, i'd love to see a video made about instances where more than 2 queens should have been lip syncing like dragcadabra for example.
I'd love to see this one too. I hope they consider bottom 3's or the likes of that in the future. Success *should* be rewarded, and failure *needs* to be addressed.
@@ingridsoleil they did during the s14 roast, and technically the snatch game, of course. Holland also had a bottom 3 and France just had a top 4 lip sync tournament for the makeover. I think the producers love a twist, so I could definitely see more coming in the future.
Another one I'd actually include, mostly, because of how unfair it was is the Despy Awards on season 7. Having the queens in pairs present a category is fine and not unfair, BUT the winners and top placement were judged in pairs and then they proceed to judge the rest of the teams individually? How does this make sense? Not only that, but some queens had additional time to be funny, since they won their categories, like Fame, Violet and Jaidynn. The bottom 2 of the episode (Kasha and Kandy), didn't have that chance. The challenge itself is a nice idea, but should've been more thought out, it just looked all over the place.
The first time I saw that episode I didn’t catch the sense, neither did I When I saw it the second time. Still today I didn’t understand what the challenge was about
i was just thinking this when i was speculating on how i'd judge this season! i'm pretty sure it was only judged that way so 1) pearl could get a win for her story and 2) no queens the show deemed 'important' would be eliminated. and the moment where the judges straight up say that queens shouldn't be put lower for not giving their partners any good jokes made this even more confusing: is this or is this not a collaborative effort? even in the winning pair the balance of jokes is really uneven. if this was a segment in the finale where the top 3/4 gave these awards to the eliminated queens, or maybe if winners didn't also host, it'd make more sense. as is, i love the idea of the despys, but the judging is borderline arbitrary.
@@merchantmahogany I actually agreed with the win for Pearl/Max (no pair slayed this challenge though). They did the best imo, but the right thing to do would be judge everyone in pairs. In that case though, the bottom 2 would probably be Fame and Violet and we know the show didn't want to lose neither of them. I think this challenge should've happen later on, at top 5 or 6 and be an individual challenge. Each queen would host a category and the nominees would be the eliminated queens, then the winners could do a funny speech that wouldn't affect the main challenge.
And then Mrs. Kasha Davis gets eliminated for tripping over the word “welcome” for a second. She’d been doing so well up to then, and she gets the chop. There’s a reason people have been asking for her to be back on, let’s just say.
I think for challenges that shouldn’t exist, I would justify adding the evil twins challenge as well. I don’t think it’s fair or realistic for drag race to make the queens basically mentally take down themselves when they knew 2 had previously struggled with mental issues on the show.
Or they could at least rebrand it yk? make it seem like a superhero drag elevated version of an out of drag self kind of like on UK2 and just talk about the pros of oneself. idk the concept is cool, very very very poor execution
For the wrestling challenge, William said she got a hairline fracture in her wrist because she did push ups every morning and couldn't after the wrestling challenge. Also remember Madame LaQueer had an ankle injury prior to this challenge
I'd include AS1 EP1, the entire challenge was just a photoshoot which is a mini-challenge on other seasons. When paired with the surprise of a team format, it's insane that Pandora and Mimi went home
I completely blocked drag wrestling from my memory holy shit! I would still say drag cheerleading is a more egregious offender, since things like stage fighting are reasonable things that a drag queen might do? But yeah, what a mess
I don’t know if Peppermint was injured in the Cheerleading episode, but I know she told the story about how she used to be a cheerleader in high school. Her friends on the squad would talk about basketball players and ask her opinion, and Peppermint would just say “Oh sure, he’s cute” but never anything vulgar or in poor taste. Unfortunately, even those innocuous statements got the basketball players’ attention and they beat her up when she was alone. She went to the school office injured and told them what happened, and saw that her friends from the cheerleading squad were waiting outside, crying, and desperate to hug her and console her.
@@garfreeek It broke my heart too. I cannot imagine how anyone could want to harm Peppermint. It seems like anyone who has ever worked with her, interacted with her, etc… has adored her. Thankfully Peppermint has a rather positive attitude. She says she remembers that day because she felt so much love from her friends, and they basically protected her from that day forward. Even her friends’ friends from the same school were on her side. I imagine even if the basketball team did not face repercussions from the school itself… they probably could not date anyone at their school after that incident because of Peppermint’s likability.
not the season 3 judges negatively responding to Yara's traditional Puerto Rican dress and flag leotard but completely living for Raja's appropriative headdress...
One recent challenge you could argue that there couldn't have been a Bottom 2 for was the Super-Teaser challenge on Season 14. That was a challenge where it was shown they recorded quite a lot of material for, but not all of it made it into the final cut. There were even some good performances and jokes that were cut from the final video, namely Maddy's bit about coming out as straight to her dads (even though it was partly a setup for Daya's "I'm Straight Too!" bit, which made the final cut). And then we have the bottom 3, KornBread, Alyssa, and Kerri. Two of them, KornBread and Alyssa, were in the bottom for relying too much on stereotype jokes (KornBread leaning into plus-sized girls who focus a lot on food, and Alyssa playing a loud-mouthed and over-the-top character for whom English isn't their first language), which the show itself has edited DA's into those archetypes before. So would playing those archetypes in a mock trailer for a Drag Race season really be a detriment, especially when those archetypes have been done on the show before? And then Kerri, whose bottom placement has been criticized since it happened, is put in the bottom for relying too much on pretty and not being over-the-top at times... even though the final cut included other bits which weren't her trying to be pretty (namely her bit with KornBread of telling Jasmine to shut up). So for a challenge where the producers and editors can give a final performance any way they wanted with the large amount of material provided to them, and the final selections for the bottom being pretty questionable, you really could argue that there didn't need to be a Bottom 2 for that.
i feel like if there was any challenge that shouldn’t have had a bottom two due to everyone being great, would be the “Herstory of the World” challenge from As2, like Alaska did the worst but ofc as2 was made for her to win, so she would never be in the bottom for that episode. Also can i just add that Katya was done so dirty with that part like come on. and she also did great with what she had to work with
Based on performance alone I still don't know how was Ginger in the bottom tbh xD the runway definetly killed her but based only on performance.. She wasn't bad at all..
I still don’t know how Trixie was in the bottom like?? It makes absolutely 0 sense. Her and Katya by far did the best and honestly Tan With You was my fave parody of them all and I was so shocked it was the “worst”
In the spoof song episode, I was shook with who won. I’ve always thought Trixie‘s song was the best. That song gets shared all over the drag race social media all the time, but I’ve never seen the other ones get posted. It’s so bizarre
i would actually add the beastenders acting challenge from uk2 since no one really did bad and if it was done with more queens realistically none of them would have been below safe
I might be on my own here, but I think Bitch Perfect was another one where no one really deserved to go home. I thought everyone did well, and those who were "weaker" weren't so much so that it was obvious/ruined the performance. I also think Side Hustles in AS6 was another instance that relates to my reasoning above.
I'd say Layla did not deserve to be in the bottom for the challenge but Dax was just unmemorable. And both of them had very bad runways. And then they bombed the most iconic gay song ever.
i would also include challenges like the divas night thing on all stars 3 or baddest bitch in herstory in all stars 2 because they are not giving a chance to the queens to present how they want to. Thorgy said even in confessional that she will be screwed and then Michele told her that if she would let go of the idea who she was portraying it would be better but i don’t see how this would help her given that her part was slower then rest and choreography was consequently less dynamic and those things most of the time play into the weaknesses but i know that those challenges are to push the story forward in the direction that producers want
I do agree what was shown but i also think it should be included every challenge that has the intention of making the queens "be vulnerable", some examples that come to mind now are "evil twin challenge" on s10, "pink table talk" and "show up queen" on as6. The queens should have the right to talk about their personal stories if they want to, in the end of the day, that's a big platform to share it. Those type of challenges don't judge them on a skill/ability like the others but on how the queen *told* the story the producers wanted them to... Put to judgement your own traumas shouldn't be okay and it's not.
When it comes to the Wrestling Challenge, I think Madame LaQueer was injured? I'm not 100% sure on that, but I have a vague memory of her saying something about her ankle.
Everyone did good in the AS6 Rusical. Maybe some were a bit weaker but (in my opinion) it was the most cohesive Rusical ever given to us ~ in that there were really no bad performances.
So do the queens on rpdr. The extermination challenges in Dragula are also pointless, we don't even get to see who actually won since they cut and then show the looser.
While we're on the topic of challenges that shouldn't exist, can I also bring to the table a good challenge that got mangled and screwed over. The s13 political challenge There isn't anything to be taken away from it as the viewer if the queens are being suppressed from expressing any actual political statement and being chasticized for making their jokes more intellectual/referential (Widow Vondu). Cool we have an improv challenge with a bunch of nonsense and haha they're just like the clowns in the white house. But when you completely alienate the spoof from the source material, what is the point? Its fodder for people who refuse to participate in politics, don't attempt to make a change, and laugh at the ones putting in the effort, rather than actually stipulate people to vote and become involved. The political debate challenge in season 4 did have a very similar basis; improvise answers based on your character. But the big difference is that people that actually used humour and wit NOT just absurdity were given merit, while Chad Michaels, someone who did not give a clear stance for their character, was called out for dancing around the subject. Almost every queen in the s13 debate was a Chad Michaels. The producers/writers didn't just allow them to beat around the bush, they were most likely told that was the requirement for it, and to me it's nonsense to distance a challenge about politics from any actual politics. Thank you for reading my Ted Talk.
Okay but even before watching the episode I expect s12 top 5 to be here I think they all slayed the verse challenge (jackie had the best verses btw and didn’t deserve her btm) and all top 5 from s12 had great - okay runways.
I think out of all of Drag Race's run, there's only been one challenge where I thought everyone did amazing, and that was the Despy Awards in season 7. Everyone killed it, the only thing that made the bottom 2 happen is kasha stuttered once and Kandy wasn't as funny, but they were still great. The runways that episode were also good, not memorable but like they were solidly good runways.
I know this is an older video and Dragula was mentioned for like a second at the end, but I do think a big difference between Dragula's crazy challenges vs Drag Race is that the ghouls know what they're getting themselves into, like more or less they know they'll be in absolutely nuts scenarios, whereas with Drag Race it's not normal to have a challenge that can do actual physical harm to your body, therefore they can't exactly be prepared for the fuckery that is happening
@@ait8551 funny how people complained exactly about that in season 11, bc their Fav would have gotten a Win. So why not in season 12 tho. At least let’s be consistent.
@@Discretion234 this thing was a very dumb one. They clearly wanted the bottom 2 with Brooke and Vanessa, but they also liked Yvie a lot, SO WHY THEY DIDN’T JUST GAVE ANOTHER WIN TO HER TO PUT HER AS FRONT RUNNER (she was the best of the episode, if I remember correctly)
I'm pretty sure that peppermint had an injury in the cheer challenge and she was also in talks of being double eliminated with Eureka if the doctor didn't discharge her
I completely forgot about the wrestling challenge, which is ironic because I actually like that challenge because of childhood nostalgia, I filtered the risk factor completely out of my mind while watching it.
I love the IDEA of a professional wrestling challenge returning, but maybe just stick to cutting a one take promo instead of actually hitting each other?
Okay, I love your videos, I watch all of them, and have supported you for a couple of years now. Stop dragging the cheerleading challenge, or at least, stop dragging it as hard as you always have. I’m a competitive cheerleader, and a coach. I’ve been training from the age of 16, and coaching from the age of 21. The challenge did not ask anything of the girls, that I couldn’t teach any able-bodied person in a day. You do not need to be 2-7 years old to start to learn how to do a cartwheel or a forward roll safely, any able-bodied person can learn that. There were no skills asked of them that were not safe for them to do, the only exception to that, is Charlie. I wouldn’t encourage anyone over 50, unless in peak physical condition for their age, to take part in cheerleading. All of the stunting performed, was the most base end possible of each version of that skill, as was the tumbling, with the exception of Shea performing a walkover, which she would of had to of known how to do well before coming to drag race. While we’re at it, Eureka was not performing a skill that any cheerleader is even allowed to perform in a routine, as it’s not safe. I’m willing to put money on it that Eureka was just so focused on standing out, that she decided that was the trick she was going to whip out for a wow factor. I highly doubt Eureka had ever performed that skill on a sprung floor before, and that is the exact reason she injured herself, the recoil from the floor. No coach present that day would have recommended she do that skill. It is not a cheerleading skill, or trick. I would really REALLY appreciate it, if you could stop dragging this challenge so hard, when you have absolutely zero understanding of cheerleading/gymnastics and stunting or tumbling. Almost every time you talk about this challenge you always say something that reflects badly on cheer, and it’s generally not even based on accurate fact. Stop, please. 🙏 While we’re at it, I learnt to tumble at 23, from scratch. You don’t need to be an infant to learn your fundamentals and basics to get to your elite skills, let alone the most basic of them. Again, love you and your videos, and your growth as a TH-camr. Stooooooppp, please 🙏
Interesting piece of intel, but I did not base my opinion on the challenge on nothing, but rather by talking to people who have experience in both sports I formed my thoughts. Furthermore, my point in the original video, and in this one as well, is that it's not an equal opportunity challenge, not everyone by design is going to do well. Bigger queens like Eureka, Peppermint and Jaymes to an extent, or someone in their 40s like Charlie in this challenge are never in the top. Let's not forget about the risk factor (which, again, is a real thing as we saw 3 people get injured in the challenge -- Eureka for something she did on her own, Cynthia and Charlie for something they did within the routine). Somebody might come with a comparison to other skills like singing, dancing etc., but like I said in the video, if you can "ham it up", you will more often than not be fine. Having a specific talent doesn't mandatorily mean that you're going to do well in a challenge related to the talent -- just look at Jujubee in season 2 in the singing challenge. So, thank you for your input, but one person's experience compared to what happened on the show and compared to many more different takes from people that are also in the same field won't make me stop talking about the challenge.
@@uckeylee I never asked you to stop talking about he challenge, just to stop dragging it. You paint cheer in a negative light every single time you talk about it. At least try to be clear that there’s nothing wrong with the sport when you talk about it.
@@stephenmitchell3996 That's not true, I never paint the actual sport as negative. It's a shame you took it as that, however your original comment doesn't even reflect that.
about the wrestling challenge that's how I feel about dragula. It's just queens being forced to do some really bad things that can really traumatize and hurt them for tv
True but Dragula is upfront about what the queens will do. Queens who know their limits should know when to drop out if they can’t handle an extermination
@@sonospiacente3334 the difference is, being forced to eat gross ahit or testing your pain tolerance is controlled. Eurekas situation is different because the challenge was dangerous AF in the first place because Cheerleading is a skill that requires a LOT of practice. The point of going on dragula is to show pure Filth and horror and to appreciate the beauty in that
Pearl really got carried by on no real merit. she also shot herself in the foot with that awful runway, it really should have been long gown with a long ass train.
The irony of drag race having a wrestling challenge when one of the most memorable moments from the previous season was “drag is not a contact sport” will never seize to baffle me
also there are rumors that say that the footage for that lip sync did not include india being lifted up so they asked mimi to recreate the moment again. The judges loved it so much they eliminated her haha
The way the show treated Mimi in general is just unacceptable
I loved that challenge! so original and fun
i would also include the “Oh let’s fuck with your mental health because we want to see vulnerability” challenge in Season 10
which one was that?
@@blondeandconfused the weird good:evil twins challenge
I just saw that one the other day and man that’s messed up how they kept getting pushed to expose sensitive things about themselves
I was 100000% sure that it would be on the list when I saw the title of the video
I would also include breast world, because instead of having a bottom two, they should have eliminated the writers.
PFFFFFF TRUE!!!
Same with "RuMerica Horror Story: Coven Girls" from AS6.
Same with Bra Wars from RPDR UK S3 recently. Hooooooly crap, it was baaaaad.
@@kotosqoposrly agreed. And it still annoys me to no end that Kylie won that challenge 🙄
Tbh I think the pink table talk from AS6 should be here too, that challenge was so weird the fact that to win you have you share a sad story, it’s was like the werkroom conversations from every week made in to a challenge
Yeah I agree, it’s like judging people on how they talk about their painful past. Stuff like that shouldn’t be ranked from best to worst.
Exactly, and the way they said Pandora was low because she wasn’t comfortable talking about her body dysmorphia pissed me off. Plus they totally came for Scarlet’s and Jan’s personalities that episode made me “uncomfortable.”
@@itsikabitch9005 yeah when ru said that it made her uncomfortable I was like “ if You felt uncomfortable watching it, think about how they felt talking about it to the entire world
I agree with all of you, also what happened if your sad story Is not that sad? You get sent home? Not everybody has to have, and shouldn't be forced to share it, has to come natural. Like who thought of that challenge
Absolutely, it was like they were judging whether their trauma was traumatic enough
"military men killin- i mean serving overseas".. lmaaaao, never been happier with a comment made on a drag race related topic.. TRUTH
I think there shouldn't have been bottom two in the Madonna rusical. Everyone did so well imo and instead of a bottom two Gigi and Jan should have lip synced for the win
I was expecting to watch a video with this type of ranking but then I remembered that u. is not keen of making videos with his personal opinion 😂
Nah mate, Jackie did real bad there 😅 it should have been Jackie and probably Heidi.
@@stephenmitchell3996 what Heidi got the hardest Madonna and she did what she could with it
Jackie was the only one who missed the mark
I was thinking the same thing tbh. Plus let's be honest, Jan deserved that win in the first place.
One challenge I might as well suggest for this: Shade: The Rusical. This was the first musical challenge where they had to sing live (I think partly to highlight trained singers Courtney Act and Adore Delano). Then in the actual challenge, no one did particularly "bad", I'd argue. And then we get to the two who were actually in the bottom : April Carrion and Trinity K. Bonet. TKB, I'd say, did soso in the challenge at best, as best as she could when paired up next to the force of personality that is Bianca Del Rio. Bianca's singing is... fine, but she was able to use her personality and all to camp her character up. And then Trinity, who had one of the quietest personalities in it up to then, got paired up next to her? And then we get to April, who was forced to play the "big girl" archetype and had to wear a fat suit during the performance (due to her being, well, not a plus-sized person). First off, why was "big girl" even a character in this, when that kind of label is admittedly degrading. Second off, if they were insistent on someone playing that role, why give it to someone who's pretty small and couldn't fit that? I mean, what would've happened if they actually HAD a "big girl" in the cas- oh hi Darienne Lake! And third, she was critiqued for not being able to portray a "big girl" well. But, again, SHE'S NOT THAT! So for the bottom placements being pretty questionable (especially with one of them being there for playing a possibly offensive stereotype character that she’d have a hard time playing due to not being the right body type) and everyone doing fine for the most part, they probably didn't need to have a bottom 2 there.
I'd also say that "you didn't have the attitude a big girl has" as a critique was highly problematic. It is reducing big queens to one stereotypical personality
April bombed
also, why was trinity in the bottom two instead of gia? even if you pretend the critiques of april's performance make any sense, gia was so offkey she was unintentionally harmonizing sometimes. trinity's biggest crime is...being overshadowed by bianca del rio? as if most quieter queens, scratch that most queens period, wouldn't do the same?
@@merchantmahogany Gia was supposed to be a comedy queen and she gave comedy queen. If someone should have been bottom was Darienne.
Even though the bottom six was complete nonsense and made for a difficult lip sync to watch and enjoy, i'd love to see a video made about instances where more than 2 queens should have been lip syncing like dragcadabra for example.
@@Mylittleaddiction2802 girls of drag ometry, the goodmornting bitches thing on s9
Canada’s second Snatch game… OOF. Half the cast would be up there.
@@ryanager8029 yeah and the shakesqueer challenge on season 7
I'd love to see this one too. I hope they consider bottom 3's or the likes of that in the future. Success *should* be rewarded, and failure *needs* to be addressed.
@@ingridsoleil they did during the s14 roast, and technically the snatch game, of course. Holland also had a bottom 3 and France just had a top 4 lip sync tournament for the makeover. I think the producers love a twist, so I could definitely see more coming in the future.
Another one I'd actually include, mostly, because of how unfair it was is the Despy Awards on season 7. Having the queens in pairs present a category is fine and not unfair, BUT the winners and top placement were judged in pairs and then they proceed to judge the rest of the teams individually? How does this make sense? Not only that, but some queens had additional time to be funny, since they won their categories, like Fame, Violet and Jaidynn. The bottom 2 of the episode (Kasha and Kandy), didn't have that chance. The challenge itself is a nice idea, but should've been more thought out, it just looked all over the place.
The first time I saw that episode I didn’t catch the sense, neither did I When I saw it the second time. Still today I didn’t understand what the challenge was about
i was just thinking this when i was speculating on how i'd judge this season! i'm pretty sure it was only judged that way so 1) pearl could get a win for her story and 2) no queens the show deemed 'important' would be eliminated.
and the moment where the judges straight up say that queens shouldn't be put lower for not giving their partners any good jokes made this even more confusing: is this or is this not a collaborative effort? even in the winning pair the balance of jokes is really uneven.
if this was a segment in the finale where the top 3/4 gave these awards to the eliminated queens, or maybe if winners didn't also host, it'd make more sense. as is, i love the idea of the despys, but the judging is borderline arbitrary.
@@merchantmahogany I actually agreed with the win for Pearl/Max (no pair slayed this challenge though). They did the best imo, but the right thing to do would be judge everyone in pairs. In that case though, the bottom 2 would probably be Fame and Violet and we know the show didn't want to lose neither of them. I think this challenge should've happen later on, at top 5 or 6 and be an individual challenge. Each queen would host a category and the nominees would be the eliminated queens, then the winners could do a funny speech that wouldn't affect the main challenge.
And then Mrs. Kasha Davis gets eliminated for tripping over the word “welcome” for a second. She’d been doing so well up to then, and she gets the chop. There’s a reason people have been asking for her to be back on, let’s just say.
Yeah, Fame and Violet essentially got a chance to save themselves because they should have been in the bottom otherwise.
I think for challenges that shouldn’t exist, I would justify adding the evil twins challenge as well. I don’t think it’s fair or realistic for drag race to make the queens basically mentally take down themselves when they knew 2 had previously struggled with mental issues on the show.
Or they could at least rebrand it yk? make it seem like a superhero drag elevated version of an out of drag self kind of like on UK2 and just talk about the pros of oneself. idk the concept is cool, very very very poor execution
For the wrestling challenge, William said she got a hairline fracture in her wrist because she did push ups every morning and couldn't after the wrestling challenge. Also remember Madame LaQueer had an ankle injury prior to this challenge
I'd include AS1 EP1, the entire challenge was just a photoshoot which is a mini-challenge on other seasons. When paired with the surprise of a team format, it's insane that Pandora and Mimi went home
I completely blocked drag wrestling from my memory holy shit! I would still say drag cheerleading is a more egregious offender, since things like stage fighting are reasonable things that a drag queen might do? But yeah, what a mess
idk i feel like tumbling / gymnastics is way more common than stage fighting lolol
I don’t know if Peppermint was injured in the Cheerleading episode, but I know she told the story about how she used to be a cheerleader in high school. Her friends on the squad would talk about basketball players and ask her opinion, and Peppermint would just say “Oh sure, he’s cute” but never anything vulgar or in poor taste. Unfortunately, even those innocuous statements got the basketball players’ attention and they beat her up when she was alone. She went to the school office injured and told them what happened, and saw that her friends from the cheerleading squad were waiting outside, crying, and desperate to hug her and console her.
That story broke my heart! It's literally been one of my biggest fears for years having something like that happen!
@@garfreeek It broke my heart too. I cannot imagine how anyone could want to harm Peppermint. It seems like anyone who has ever worked with her, interacted with her, etc… has adored her.
Thankfully Peppermint has a rather positive attitude. She says she remembers that day because she felt so much love from her friends, and they basically protected her from that day forward. Even her friends’ friends from the same school were on her side. I imagine even if the basketball team did not face repercussions from the school itself… they probably could not date anyone at their school after that incident because of Peppermint’s likability.
not the season 3 judges negatively responding to Yara's traditional Puerto Rican dress and flag leotard but completely living for Raja's appropriative headdress...
He didmt say "my good griemd Ariel versace". Just "Ariel Versache....
Has the friemdship...ended?
maybe he got unblocked
what is this "n" replacement
One recent challenge you could argue that there couldn't have been a Bottom 2 for was the Super-Teaser challenge on Season 14. That was a challenge where it was shown they recorded quite a lot of material for, but not all of it made it into the final cut. There were even some good performances and jokes that were cut from the final video, namely Maddy's bit about coming out as straight to her dads (even though it was partly a setup for Daya's "I'm Straight Too!" bit, which made the final cut). And then we have the bottom 3, KornBread, Alyssa, and Kerri. Two of them, KornBread and Alyssa, were in the bottom for relying too much on stereotype jokes (KornBread leaning into plus-sized girls who focus a lot on food, and Alyssa playing a loud-mouthed and over-the-top character for whom English isn't their first language), which the show itself has edited DA's into those archetypes before. So would playing those archetypes in a mock trailer for a Drag Race season really be a detriment, especially when those archetypes have been done on the show before? And then Kerri, whose bottom placement has been criticized since it happened, is put in the bottom for relying too much on pretty and not being over-the-top at times... even though the final cut included other bits which weren't her trying to be pretty (namely her bit with KornBread of telling Jasmine to shut up). So for a challenge where the producers and editors can give a final performance any way they wanted with the large amount of material provided to them, and the final selections for the bottom being pretty questionable, you really could argue that there didn't need to be a Bottom 2 for that.
lol there shouldn’t have been a bottom two when i was in court as a child and the judge made me pick whether i wanted to live with my mom or my dad.
this is a joke my parents aren’t divorced lolz
i feel like if there was any challenge that shouldn’t have had a bottom two due to everyone being great, would be the “Herstory of the World” challenge from As2, like Alaska did the worst but ofc as2 was made for her to win, so she would never be in the bottom for that episode.
Also can i just add that Katya was done so dirty with that part like come on. and she also did great with what she had to work with
Based on performance alone I still don't know how was Ginger in the bottom tbh xD the runway definetly killed her but based only on performance.. She wasn't bad at all..
I still don’t know how Trixie was in the bottom like?? It makes absolutely 0 sense. Her and Katya by far did the best and honestly Tan With You was my fave parody of them all and I was so shocked it was the “worst”
In the spoof song episode, I was shook with who won. I’ve always thought Trixie‘s song was the best. That song gets shared all over the drag race social media all the time, but I’ve never seen the other ones get posted. It’s so bizarre
i would actually add the beastenders acting challenge from uk2 since no one really did bad and if it was done with more queens realistically none of them would have been below safe
I wish I was less tired so I could add something valid or funny, but I'm just here to say I enjoyed the video. Thank you for your effort
I might be on my own here, but I think Bitch Perfect was another one where no one really deserved to go home. I thought everyone did well, and those who were "weaker" weren't so much so that it was obvious/ruined the performance. I also think Side Hustles in AS6 was another instance that relates to my reasoning above.
Honestly I laughed at every group in the Side Hustlers challenge and there wasn’t a queen that bombed extremely hard
I'd say Layla did not deserve to be in the bottom for the challenge but Dax was just unmemorable. And both of them had very bad runways. And then they bombed the most iconic gay song ever.
i would also include challenges like the divas night thing on all stars 3 or baddest bitch in herstory in all stars 2 because they are not giving a chance to the queens to present how they want to. Thorgy said even in confessional that she will be screwed and then Michele told her that if she would let go of the idea who she was portraying it would be better but i don’t see how this would help her given that her part was slower then rest and choreography was consequently less dynamic and those things most of the time play into the weaknesses but i know that those challenges are to push the story forward in the direction that producers want
Plus if I remember right Thorgy was between Mariah Carey and Julie Andrews? Therefore her getting forgotten is easily there
I do agree what was shown but i also think it should be included every challenge that has the intention of making the queens "be vulnerable", some examples that come to mind now are "evil twin challenge" on s10, "pink table talk" and "show up queen" on as6. The queens should have the right to talk about their personal stories if they want to, in the end of the day, that's a big platform to share it. Those type of challenges don't judge them on a skill/ability like the others but on how the queen *told* the story the producers wanted them to... Put to judgement your own traumas shouldn't be okay and it's not.
And here I was, going into the video expecting u. would praise some challenges and the overall performance of the queens :D
The intelligence of your content is a breath of fresh air compared to other drag race channels. Bravo.
they should stop showing the judges reactions in the middle of challenges
Are we getting more heros vs. villains
pretty, stiff, distant and weird - love that SNL-Lana del Rey reference
I love lana
Ur done 👆 Ur done 👆
When it comes to the Wrestling Challenge, I think Madame LaQueer was injured? I'm not 100% sure on that, but I have a vague memory of her saying something about her ankle.
She was injured prior to the challenge but the challenge probably didn’t help
Her onkle went kleek
oink oink
How about the infamous "inner sabatour" challenge?
They were judged upon their ability to self reflect, self analysis and metacognition
the draglexa episode.... production need to stop punishing the queens for their mistakes and lack of commitment
I would add:
S10 semifinal
AS6 Rusical
S12 Rusical
Everyone did good in the AS6 Rusical. Maybe some were a bit weaker but (in my opinion) it was the most cohesive Rusical ever given to us ~ in that there were really no bad performances.
About your ending statement, dragula contestants sign a contract agreeing to do those worse things
So do the queens on rpdr. The extermination challenges in Dragula are also pointless, we don't even get to see who actually won since they cut and then show the looser.
Max Jaida And Violet's parody was called Get Ready to Clock
when you already watched the video because you're subscribed to his patreon but is gonna watch it again on youtube anyways
can't relate
I mean there shouldn’t have been a bottom 2 in the second competitive episode of season 12. All the queens did a good job acting.
the military commentary 10/10
when u introduced the top 3 I was expecting the evil twins 😭😭😭
While we're on the topic of challenges that shouldn't exist, can I also bring to the table a good challenge that got mangled and screwed over.
The s13 political challenge
There isn't anything to be taken away from it as the viewer if the queens are being suppressed from expressing any actual political statement and being chasticized for making their jokes more intellectual/referential (Widow Vondu). Cool we have an improv challenge with a bunch of nonsense and haha they're just like the clowns in the white house. But when you completely alienate the spoof from the source material, what is the point?
Its fodder for people who refuse to participate in politics, don't attempt to make a change, and laugh at the ones putting in the effort, rather than actually stipulate people to vote and become involved.
The political debate challenge in season 4 did have a very similar basis; improvise answers based on your character. But the big difference is that people that actually used humour and wit NOT just absurdity were given merit, while Chad Michaels, someone who did not give a clear stance for their character, was called out for dancing around the subject.
Almost every queen in the s13 debate was a Chad Michaels. The producers/writers didn't just allow them to beat around the bush, they were most likely told that was the requirement for it, and to me it's nonsense to distance a challenge about politics from any actual politics.
Thank you for reading my Ted Talk.
That was season 12 not 13
Evil twins. Magic challenge. The Gaff in. Interviewing Cher's mother and son.
Okay but even before watching the episode I expect s12 top 5 to be here I think they all slayed the verse challenge (jackie had the best verses btw and didn’t deserve her btm) and all top 5 from s12 had great - okay runways.
I think out of all of Drag Race's run, there's only been one challenge where I thought everyone did amazing, and that was the Despy Awards in season 7. Everyone killed it, the only thing that made the bottom 2 happen is kasha stuttered once and Kandy wasn't as funny, but they were still great. The runways that episode were also good, not memorable but like they were solidly good runways.
I know this is an older video and Dragula was mentioned for like a second at the end, but I do think a big difference between Dragula's crazy challenges vs Drag Race is that the ghouls know what they're getting themselves into, like more or less they know they'll be in absolutely nuts scenarios, whereas with Drag Race it's not normal to have a challenge that can do actual physical harm to your body, therefore they can't exactly be prepared for the fuckery that is happening
10:21 what is this thumbnail 💀 omg you have grown so much on TH-cam 😂
idk about anyone else but the top 5 challenge from season 12 shouldn’t of had a winner or bottom 2 like at all
i think there should be a bottom but no winner as they couldn't go into the finale with 5 people
@@ait8551 funny how people complained exactly about that in season 11, bc their Fav would have gotten a Win. So why not in season 12 tho. At least let’s be consistent.
@@Discretion234 this thing was a very dumb one. They clearly wanted the bottom 2 with Brooke and Vanessa, but they also liked Yvie a lot, SO WHY THEY DIDN’T JUST GAVE ANOTHER WIN TO HER TO PUT HER AS FRONT RUNNER (she was the best of the episode, if I remember correctly)
@@Discretion234 true
I think you should do this concept but with 5 challenges where everyone did so good no one should have been in the bottom
the evil twin challenge shouldnt have had a bottom 2 as well
I think the s12 rusical to its too iconic
Even brita makes mistakes in the steps she still kill her verse
it’s the way I saw this and immediately said the evil twins challenge from season 10 😭😭
alexis lied???? pls
Yes she made the story up. Willam talked about it on the Race Chaser Podcast
icon behaviour
i’m not surprised lmao
youre a liar and this is why india dont like you
I'm pretty sure that peppermint had an injury in the cheer challenge and she was also in talks of being double eliminated with Eureka if the doctor didn't discharge her
what? i dont think this is true
@@ggoddf5889 wasn't that bootleg fashion photo ruview with peppermint reveal it?
Madonna the Rusical is another one. It was just so fucking good all around that no one should’ve been in the bottom.
1:46 I ALMOST SPIT OUT MY PASTA😭😭😭
ahh great birthday gift to see my name here, thanks
I completely forgot about the wrestling challenge, which is ironic because I actually like that challenge because of childhood nostalgia, I filtered the risk factor completely out of my mind while watching it.
LOL. alexis fabricated the story about her military man? anyone have details? thats so funny!
I love the IDEA of a professional wrestling challenge returning, but maybe just stick to cutting a one take promo instead of actually hitting each other?
Okay, I love your videos, I watch all of them, and have supported you for a couple of years now.
Stop dragging the cheerleading challenge, or at least, stop dragging it as hard as you always have.
I’m a competitive cheerleader, and a coach. I’ve been training from the age of 16, and coaching from the age of 21. The challenge did not ask anything of the girls, that I couldn’t teach any able-bodied person in a day. You do not need to be 2-7 years old to start to learn how to do a cartwheel or a forward roll safely, any able-bodied person can learn that. There were no skills asked of them that were not safe for them to do, the only exception to that, is Charlie. I wouldn’t encourage anyone over 50, unless in peak physical condition for their age, to take part in cheerleading.
All of the stunting performed, was the most base end possible of each version of that skill, as was the tumbling, with the exception of Shea performing a walkover, which she would of had to of known how to do well before coming to drag race.
While we’re at it, Eureka was not performing a skill that any cheerleader is even allowed to perform in a routine, as it’s not safe. I’m willing to put money on it that Eureka was just so focused on standing out, that she decided that was the trick she was going to whip out for a wow factor. I highly doubt Eureka had ever performed that skill on a sprung floor before, and that is the exact reason she injured herself, the recoil from the floor. No coach present that day would have recommended she do that skill. It is not a cheerleading skill, or trick.
I would really REALLY appreciate it, if you could stop dragging this challenge so hard, when you have absolutely zero understanding of cheerleading/gymnastics and stunting or tumbling. Almost every time you talk about this challenge you always say something that reflects badly on cheer, and it’s generally not even based on accurate fact. Stop, please. 🙏
While we’re at it, I learnt to tumble at 23, from scratch. You don’t need to be an infant to learn your fundamentals and basics to get to your elite skills, let alone the most basic of them.
Again, love you and your videos, and your growth as a TH-camr. Stooooooppp, please 🙏
Very interesting, thanks for sharing
Interesting piece of intel, but I did not base my opinion on the challenge on nothing, but rather by talking to people who have experience in both sports I formed my thoughts. Furthermore, my point in the original video, and in this one as well, is that it's not an equal opportunity challenge, not everyone by design is going to do well. Bigger queens like Eureka, Peppermint and Jaymes to an extent, or someone in their 40s like Charlie in this challenge are never in the top. Let's not forget about the risk factor (which, again, is a real thing as we saw 3 people get injured in the challenge -- Eureka for something she did on her own, Cynthia and Charlie for something they did within the routine).
Somebody might come with a comparison to other skills like singing, dancing etc., but like I said in the video, if you can "ham it up", you will more often than not be fine. Having a specific talent doesn't mandatorily mean that you're going to do well in a challenge related to the talent -- just look at Jujubee in season 2 in the singing challenge.
So, thank you for your input, but one person's experience compared to what happened on the show and compared to many more different takes from people that are also in the same field won't make me stop talking about the challenge.
@@uckeylee I never asked you to stop talking about he challenge, just to stop dragging it. You paint cheer in a negative light every single time you talk about it.
At least try to be clear that there’s nothing wrong with the sport when you talk about it.
@@stephenmitchell3996 That's not true, I never paint the actual sport as negative. It's a shame you took it as that, however your original comment doesn't even reflect that.
OMGG YESSS THANK THE LORD YOURE NOT A BOOTLICKER i trust your judgment now more than ever
The uk drag race season 2 top 4 acting is up there too
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The madonna rusical is an easy one for me!
Finally someone mentioned the problem with American nationalism veiled as patriotism on normal American television
I LIVE for 1:47
about the wrestling challenge
that's how I feel about dragula. It's just queens being forced to do some really bad things that can really traumatize and hurt them for tv
True but Dragula is upfront about what the queens will do. Queens who know their limits should know when to drop out if they can’t handle an extermination
They can turn down thr extermination. Violencia! Did it, she got sent home for it, but she still didn't do it so..
@@gerison320 yeah and eureka could've refused to do the cheerleaders challenge and just walked out
@@sonospiacente3334 the difference is, being forced to eat gross ahit or testing your pain tolerance is controlled. Eurekas situation is different because the challenge was dangerous AF in the first place because Cheerleading is a skill that requires a LOT of practice. The point of going on dragula is to show pure Filth and horror and to appreciate the beauty in that
Pearl really got carried by on no real merit. she also shot herself in the foot with that awful runway, it really should have been long gown with a long ass train.