Dalt I'd love some shotgun testing like you did with the Slickdraw perk. At least with Someday, Matador, Prophet, CompassRose, maybe RetoldTale, and Deadlock if u have a good roll. We need to see which of the 5 shotguns are actually the best. I really appreciated your shotgun testing video.
I just started destiny 2, and right after i chose the void element as a hunter I got graviton lance. I assumed everyone got it, but was I just super lucky?
@6:48 is you have some vanguard engrams lying around, hung jury sr4 was a nightfall weapon at a point in time. the difference is that the new variant from onslaught is that it comes with an origin trait that works very well with your subclasses and abilities. the vanguard variant has two swappable origin traits that will work with final blows that regen health, and champion stunning. honest opinion: invest in the onslaught one. it looks pretty. =)
Idk man. I’m still running people down with someday no prob. I see what you’re saying about the stat difference but in my opinion, the way fights go down with shotguns those differences aren’t really noticeable at all. It’s only when you’re trying to map people with a shotgun that you MIGHT see those differences come into play. But come on, it’s destiny 2, you could have 100 in every stat on your shotty and it would still be inconsistent at range.😂😂 (Unless it’s slugs, that’s a different ball game entirely)
As a solo player, I game vanguard and gambit a lot. I got a shoot to loot + kinetic tremors on my Bygones, is that a god roll? I thought it was because kinetic tremors proc the shoot to loot mechanic?
I would say Luna's Howl also a great pick in any kind of PVP especially with new mods which gives +6 range and stability, so you can get decent amount of it and if you play on controller so it's one of the best choices.
@@agamerjourney9146 there's no 140 legendary HC that beats Luna. It's hands down the best legendary HC on controller with it's ease of use and incredible perk poll.
I use it on m & k, and it's still extremely strong. Magnificent howl on a 70+ range role is like having a opponent under your thumb in 3v3s. 120 dmg to the dome that you can hold indefinitely changes the dynamics of any fight. People also seem to forget its insane airborne effectiveness stat package. It has 40 AE without any mods. With the buffs to lucky pants you get 65 ae without any mods.... very strong.
Right on mate. Kinda frustrating to me that it's all either pulse (mostly high impact), shotgun, or HC and of course Khvostov thrown in the mix 😅 Hope Bungie can mix it up a wee bit soon
You don't have to use these weapons. Every weapon-type in the game is usable. Not every archetype though. The only time I ever feel like I have to swap to meta to secure a win is in high level comp. 260 and 200 scouts are the only weapons that are seriously hurting, minus Symmetry. Maybe some archetypes of Auto rifles too.
@Kazaki3089 Crimson is pretty good, especially if you play on controller. Its range and ttk is definitely a little lacking in this meta. Very fun gun tho. Personally, I love using it even if it isn't the most meta at the moment.
Luna's is excellent. You just need a good roll. It's very strong, and personally I prefer it to Rose when paired with Lucky Pants. 65 ae for free is too good.
Luna is good but is a pain to get a good roll, and in its slot there are craftable 140s, Nation of Beasts is just so good in the energy slot. Plus Luna is just outclassed by Rose stat wise other than AE and is easier to focus and has multiple rolls for PvP where Luna only has two viable perks in both columns
Cool vid! Just a note, every damage perk on Bygones gives it a .60 as far as I can tell, even Desperate Measures. Insane gun. Edited to .6 instead of .67.
@@alphaandomega2709 It's fine, but I agree that Zen Moment is better. I love the stability it instantly provides. If you look up the #'s, it's quite dramatic as soon as you start landing shots. Keep Away is tight tho.
According for the perk pool you showed for the Hung Jury, I have a Hung Jury sr4 with rapid hit and kinetic tremors. Is that a roll not possible? I’m really confused seeing kinetic and rapid hit in the same third column. Am I wrong or mistaken? I’m hella confused lol 😅
Yeah probably because it sucks, gives airborne effectiveness and aim assist on a shotgun which are pretty useless and only in rumble or when you’re teammates are dead 💀
@@agamerjourney9146 There are no new perk rolls for PvP. You are misinformed. The only good PvP roll on hung jury is RapidHit/NoDstiractions+BoxBreathing. This roll is on both versions of the gun. Do you know WHY Rapidhit is the most common pvp perk in column 3? Because it gives around +12 stability in a fight. You know what else gives +20 stability for free? The Omolon trait. Cope harder.
Does GoS have a chest to purchase weapons like other raids? I literally have not ran a raid in like 3 years lmaooo Edit: turns out it does not. Good luck to everyone trying to craft prophet of doom
it has a lot of kick when you first start using it, but it has a very comfortable pattern once you get familiar. the low stability stat is pretty misleading
0:28 Khvosto
1:30 Elsie’s Rifle
2:41 Graviton Lance
3:45 Prophet of Doom, Deadlock, Mentioned Madadore 64
5:39 Red Death
6:47 Hung Jury
8:27 Ace of Spades
9:22 Bygones
11:35 Igneous Hammer
13:21 Ice Breaker
15:21 Rose
16:48 Conditional Finality
17:44 No Time To Explain
19:00 Hammerhead
20:32 Hawkmoon
Didn’t bungie say hawkmoon would be made craftable at some point? Or that the exotic mission would come back? What ever happened with that.
They did say that. Maybe they still will. They seem to like holding on to good ideas for a little too long before acting on them
Yeah. Like 2 years ago.
They definitely didn’t mention hawkmoon specifically. Just that exotic missions would be put into a rotator.
They're afraid of it
no, everyone just assumed it would be hawkmoon
Dalt I'd love some shotgun testing like you did with the Slickdraw perk. At least with Someday, Matador, Prophet, CompassRose, maybe RetoldTale, and Deadlock if u have a good roll.
We need to see which of the 5 shotguns are actually the best.
I really appreciated your shotgun testing video.
They all s tier lol
@@TheSpenceBoogie but there is a difference in hipfire and ADS mapping between all of them. they all have different chances of mapping
Volatile hunter build, gyrfalcon hauberk + graviton lance is a good class for pvp
i've been praying every season for the last 2 years that hawkmoon would be craftable. It's definitely my favorite gun in the game
Hearing this guy talk reminds me of the gunsmith from John Wick 2. Daltnix if banchee ever leaves the tower your definitely the runner up
I feel like Thorn, Ace, and Hawkmoon can be paired together as the holy trinity of handcannons.
I have a V1 Bygones and it has Headseaker and rampage with high cal. 💪🏾
Great vid as always!
Origin Story with High Ground also feels really really strong
So unfortunate that this vid came out before the 120 hand cannon buff. Now all of them can 2C1B without PI
The ultimate guide i was looking for! Thank you so much!
3:23 new players can get graviton lance from Ikora
riposte is crazy good
I just started destiny 2, and right after i chose the void element as a hunter I got graviton lance. I assumed everyone got it, but was I just super lucky?
No I forgot about the starting packs lol. They are new ish.
@@Daltnix ah ok
@6:48 is you have some vanguard engrams lying around, hung jury sr4 was a nightfall weapon at a point in time.
the difference is that the new variant from onslaught is that it comes with an origin trait that works very well with your subclasses and abilities. the vanguard variant has two swappable origin traits that will work with final blows that regen health, and champion stunning.
honest opinion: invest in the onslaught one. it looks pretty. =)
A shayuras wrath is absolutely filthy with zen kill clip/ tap the trigger
@Herbasaurusrexx It was very close to making the list! if it was a top 20 list, it would definitely be on it
Idk man. I’m still running people down with someday no prob. I see what you’re saying about the stat difference but in my opinion, the way fights go down with shotguns those differences aren’t really noticeable at all. It’s only when you’re trying to map people with a shotgun that you MIGHT see those differences come into play. But come on, it’s destiny 2, you could have 100 in every stat on your shotty and it would still be inconsistent at range.😂😂
(Unless it’s slugs, that’s a different ball game entirely)
Peak tier gameplay brother!
LESSSSGOOOO number 15 thank you so much buddy❤
What about Deadman's tale?
Lone wolf and closing time🙌🏼
imo icebreaker feels awful but the perk is broken, I still prefer cloudstrike you still get double kills but not triples are rare
Question. Does this content apply to F2P members?
yes
As a solo player, I game vanguard and gambit a lot. I got a shoot to loot + kinetic tremors on my Bygones, is that a god roll? I thought it was because kinetic tremors proc the shoot to loot mechanic?
what does everyone think about 360rpm sidearms? i personally love anonymous autumn with zen moment/lone wolf and kill clip it absolutely melts
I would say Luna's Howl also a great pick in any kind of PVP especially with new mods which gives +6 range and stability, so you can get decent amount of it and if you play on controller so it's one of the best choices.
There better 140rpm hand cannons in the game. That totally out gun it and have better status/perk combos.
@@agamerjourney9146 there's no 140 legendary HC that beats Luna. It's hands down the best legendary HC on controller with it's ease of use and incredible perk poll.
I use it on m & k, and it's still extremely strong. Magnificent howl on a 70+ range role is like having a opponent under your thumb in 3v3s. 120 dmg to the dome that you can hold indefinitely changes the dynamics of any fight. People also seem to forget its insane airborne effectiveness stat package. It has 40 AE without any mods. With the buffs to lucky pants you get 65 ae without any mods.... very strong.
@@Arshay I like more PI, cause of gives you bit more range.
@@oCcBrutalforce really don’t play pvp much if believe Luna is best 140rpm hand cannon.
One day I'll get the best shotty in the game from RON
Right on mate. Kinda frustrating to me that it's all either pulse (mostly high impact), shotgun, or HC and of course Khvostov thrown in the mix 😅 Hope Bungie can mix it up a wee bit soon
You don't have to use these weapons. Every weapon-type in the game is usable. Not every archetype though. The only time I ever feel like I have to swap to meta to secure a win is in high level comp. 260 and 200 scouts are the only weapons that are seriously hurting, minus Symmetry. Maybe some archetypes of Auto rifles too.
@@LivingTheoremyou do not have our sbmm then lmao.
What is your fov you have nice aim
Original story. With high ground is also class
I farmer it last season and turned in a ton of engrams. It's an absolute workhorse in PvE and PVP.
No thorn 😢
yo what do u think of crimson tho u ever had any lucky with that gun?
@Kazaki3089 Crimson is pretty good, especially if you play on controller. Its range and ttk is definitely a little lacking in this meta. Very fun gun tho. Personally, I love using it even if it isn't the most meta at the moment.
@@Daltnix thank u for the reply and ur time🙏🙏
No Luna's howl? Am i the only Luna's stan.
It ok but there better 140rpm hand cannons
@@agamerjourney9146Luna is a 180 I think
Luna's is excellent. You just need a good roll. It's very strong, and personally I prefer it to Rose when paired with Lucky Pants. 65 ae for free is too good.
@@Dolphin_editz69 Luna is 140rpm hand cannon now. Bungie changed its rpm years ago to nerf the gun in pvp.
Luna is good but is a pain to get a good roll, and in its slot there are craftable 140s, Nation of Beasts is just so good in the energy slot. Plus Luna is just outclassed by Rose stat wise other than AE and is easier to focus and has multiple rolls for PvP where Luna only has two viable perks in both columns
Great video
haha that was 100% a cat getting in the way 19:37
@@bulcyman1263 😅
@@Daltnix cat tax... cat tax...
no messenger?
I have this trust roll that's a 180 and has 91 stability and rn I'm having a lot of fun with it
Cool vid! Just a note, every damage perk on Bygones gives it a .60 as far as I can tell, even Desperate Measures. Insane gun.
Edited to .6 instead of .67.
Keep away desperate measures any good?
@@alphaandomega2709yes but most people would want zen moment
@@alphaandomega2709 It's fine, but I agree that Zen Moment is better. I love the stability it instantly provides. If you look up the #'s, it's quite dramatic as soon as you start landing shots. Keep Away is tight tho.
.60 with high ground
@@skintxisu Yeah it's .6 with 1 stack of Desperate measures too. The point is the damage perks are basically equal on this weapon for basic TTK.
Did you say: easy to get, you just have to farm garden of salvation? 😮
I miss Crimson on your list.
According for the perk pool you showed for the Hung Jury, I have a Hung Jury sr4 with rapid hit and kinetic tremors. Is that a roll not possible? I’m really confused seeing kinetic and rapid hit in the same third column. Am I wrong or mistaken? I’m hella confused lol 😅
There's multiple versions of the gun. You might have onslaught version or previous strike version or something
@ I’ve had it for years so I don’t know where I got it. So is my roll one that isn’t common anymore?
are you really sleeping on Lone Wolf on deadlock?
Yeah probably because it sucks, gives airborne effectiveness and aim assist on a shotgun which are pretty useless and only in rumble or when you’re teammates are dead 💀
the Vanguard HungJury is so much better because it has the Omolon +20Stability origin trait
New hungryjury is so much better because it’s new perk rolls. New perk origin is more for players that build in own class setup more.
@@agamerjourney9146 There are no new perk rolls for PvP. You are misinformed.
The only good PvP roll on hung jury is RapidHit/NoDstiractions+BoxBreathing.
This roll is on both versions of the gun.
Do you know WHY Rapidhit is the most common pvp perk in column 3? Because it gives around +12 stability in a fight.
You know what else gives +20 stability for free? The Omolon trait.
Cope harder.
@@glowiboi can enhance your old hung jury? Oh no you can’t lol.
@@agamerjourney9146 you can. I have it enhanced. its retroactive. are you dumb?
bro you're so fucking clueless stop typing.
@@agamerjourney9146 Yes you can, its retroactive, god you're dumb
How come he doesnt say where to get the HammerHead?
onslaught
One slot should just be any shotgun with great range 😂
Ignorant Hammer number 1
Where Rat King?
Woooo Graviton Lance my baby!
Right after I wasted my ciphers 😂💯
Does GoS have a chest to purchase weapons like other raids? I literally have not ran a raid in like 3 years lmaooo
Edit: turns out it does not. Good luck to everyone trying to craft prophet of doom
no but there is a weekly quest similar to last wish, and u can farm 2nd encounter when it is 1 of the 2 weekly featured raids
@@afri2n nice! So at bare minimum, 5 weeks to craft it or just farm it?
Next step is to find people to farm it with. Thank you!
no time to explain sounds like the best pvp weapon
I'm simple trust enjoyer
Does ace of spades actually have more recoil then normal for its archetype or is that purely visual?
just visual at least for me
it has a lot of kick when you first start using it, but it has a very comfortable pattern once you get familiar. the low stability stat is pretty misleading
@@afri2n yeah ive used it to great effect before,it just feels terrible even though ive had absolutely great games using it.
Super super good
Somebody diddnt farm hawkmoon
RIP bygones with high ground....... 11/19/24
Glaciocasm
Bro slipped in symmetry in the thumbnail
W rat
Is this from a legit player perspective or from a maximum cheating potential perspective for the 25% of crucible players who use cronus or xim?
Ah since all the guns are legal in the game and when to use them you do r get banned like you do if you are cheating this video isn’t for you
what kind of question even is this
worst meta in a while, i cant with these bygons and elsies dude, just sit at the back of the map meta
It's so bad. They never come out of spawn
I purposely teabagged all kovostov users in PvP. Turn that gun off for pvp.
You sound fun.
Lmao anytime something other than a hand cannon is good there are people like you clutching their pearls
LMAO FUN POLICE 😂😂😂
Anybody relying on exotics is just bad.
Dude ur playing destiny a looter shooter mmo with pvp tacked on. Not some esport lol.
@@scottparrott5674 doesnt change the fact lmao
This comment is kinda senseless, as there are legendary weapons stronger than some exotics.
??? ohh you run full legendary armor and weapons how cool of you
@@LivingTheorem half of this list is literally exotic weapons 😂