@@Sisa61 "Art brut" was a designation given by Jean Dubuffet after his investigations at the end of WWII. Roger Cardinal wrote a book called "Outsider Art" in 1973 that expanded (some people say corrupted) the classification to include folk art, visionary art, "primitive" art, and more.
Thank you mucho, James, for ALL your dedicated postings. I am a west coast painter, who would not get to see this stuff if it weren't for you and your wife, too.
I am only ten minutes in and am already blown over. So often this "outsider" art impresses me more than the big overpainted canvases coming from the latest and the greatest. Not that I am knocking anyone, I enjoy it all, but this stuff is always extra special.
There's no doubt Thornton Dial Sr. is arguably one of the greatest. I saw the show at the Museum of Natural History circa 1993 on the west side, my brother and I traveled by bus from Boston on my day off, just to see the show and grab lunch. That was almost 30 years ago and I remember vividly how shocked we were by works we saw. I carry the same feeling with me to this day about his work ,even after traveling the world to see art . RIP Mr. Dial
What a great tour James , thank you. I actually prefer seeing the event spread over different spaces rather than in a giant aircraft hanger with booths. Thanks again.
Thank You for the close-ups and extra time with Minnie Evans' work. As you moved the camera and I could see the textures, I lamented all that we miss when we cannot see these works in person. I really appreciate you bringing this to us.
Eugene von Bruchenheim is from Marinette Wisconsin (not Chicago) and lived in Milwaukee Wisconsin on 94th Place between Schlinger Ave. and Adler St. He is quite possibly the best outsider artist of all time. He was prolific and profound and an extremely kind man. He sold candy to children from the storefront he fashioned out of his porch which was an explosion of color and plywood fronting the boathouse that was raised when he passed. One of the children he sold candy to was my father who is now 87 years old. His wife Marie was a slight and weathered angel by the time we met them in 1976, as we grew up in the house my grandfather built down the block. My mother used to drive her places in our powder blue Pacer. Marie was his muse and if you'd met her, you'd feel why. She possessed a palpably pure and fragile light, like the veil of bride entering church. Marie and Eugene were an indestructible unit unto themselves who mark me deeply. Love cherish adore art because of them and cherish the outsider's vision and freedom from phoney respectability. Ain't no body got time for art school. They are their own tribe and they keep us real. Mr. von Bruchenheim's work can be viewed on the Kohler Art museum's (Sheboygan Wisconsin) website. His work is capsizing...no coffee need. RIP Marie and Eugene🤎🙏
Thank you for doing these art video!!. I could spend all day on TH-cam following what’s (or was) going on in the art world. I have met a few members of the Gee’s Bend quilters; they call their town “Jeez” Bend.
@@jameskalmroughcut James - I've followed you loosely for several years - initially pulled in by your coverage of the "Outsider Art Fair". I deeply appreciate your content. I have a question - do you have a video or essay in which you discuss Outsider Art generally? Alternatively - is there a work you feel best overviews the genre? I have a friend who is a pottery professor at a CC. I was shocked by his claim that Outsider Art is just a shameless commercial cash grab gimmick. I felt some of his attitude was informed by his investment in codifying art through academia. I was too scared to argue with him - but have always regretted it. I need to build up my apologetics for outsider work!
Hey @@jspaingreene6350 here's an essay/interview with me that was published some years ago in Downtown Magazine about "art brut" and "outsider art". downtown500magazine.com/2016/04/20/art-brut-jorney-with-loren-james-munk-brooklyn-nyc/ Aside from that, there are several books that I've found useful in understanding the history of "outsider/art brut: Outsider Art by Roger Cardinal, Art Brut: The Origins of Outsider Art by Lucienne Peiry, and Outsider Art Sourcebook published by RawVision. Also, there is a paradox in how the "outsider" stuff has recently become a major market sector...
@@jameskalmroughcut Thank You so much! I'll read the article today. I appreciate your recommendations greatly - it's possible I have a few of them, as I have a habit of hording books and then not reading them (very embarrassing). Your last comment 'triggered' me - I could write & ask far too much about that simple statement. How I would love to talk to you about all of it. It immediately brings to mind "Commodify Your Dissent" by Thomas Frank (The Baffler). I often hear that phrase in my head when pondering such things. I recently found the documentary "Turning the Art World Inside Out", which I am sure you are familiar with. The paradox you mention is more fleshed out in that documentary than anything I've seen previously. Joe Coleman is particularly interesting - and I was glad they touched on him in the film. I appreciate him so much, and think of his Raw Vision articles and cover. But - does he fit into "Outsider" designation when he's become so successful? I don't have an opinion. This could lead me into a tangential set of questions regarding Jeff Koons. I once tried to ask Camille Paglia at a lecture if he is an artist, and she wouldn't really answer! (Wise woman) How I'd love to hear your take on him. I mention this mainly out of amusement. Thank You again - All the Best to You. (edited for clarification)
Thanks for your suggestion @Mr Reeves. That would be a tall order, and I'd end up on all the shit-lists of all the artists I didn't recommend...(and many are old friends).
I've recently come to realise that art school and the academic art world can at times snuff out raw creativity at times. Not to say great artists don't come out of the big art schools but I think it can kill creativity in order to fit in. Great video!
Thank you, thank you, thank you, TTTTTHHHHHHAAAAANNNNNKKKKK YYYYOOOOUUUUUUUU for doing this tour. Very much appreciated by an old fart in frozen Minnesota. Please continue doing these tours.
Thank you for this. I so regret not buying his art. You could buy many of his original art for anywhere from $200-$400 before he died. Now they are all selling for thousands after his death.
Here's a quote from Sobel's Wiki page "Janet Sobel, who made poured, all-over compositions that unmistakably made an impact on Pollock. Greenberg recalls, Pollock (and I myself) admired [Sobel's] pictures rather furtively" at the Art of This Century gallery in 1944; "" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Sobel
Part of the exhibition was on the Bowery and the Lower East Side, part was in the West Village (at the Electric Lady Studio 52 West 8th Street) but, I collect music where ever I can, and paste it into the reports. Also, here's an historical note regarding Marie's Crisis Cafe. If you look to the right of the busker during the opening, there's a plaque on the wall marking the building as the location where Thomas Paine (who wrote "Common Sense") died in 1809. forgotten-ny.com/1999/05/a-paine-in-the-village/
This is an interesting question, since the whole designation of what it means to be an "outsider" has changed, and become a specialized marketing nitche...JK
I had never heard of outsider art until right now. That i realize is myself as an artist. I never knew of such a category. But that is me.. Now what should i be able to do with that i do not know?
Really appreciated the conversation about insider vs outsider, seems very relevant now, who has a seat at the table etc. What types of differences in people is the art world tolerant of? How much do you kind of have to be a schmoozing strategic person to be an insider versus an outsider who may be dealing with visible or invisible disabilities and how complicit is the art world in privileging the former? Anyway, good stuff.
@@jameskalmroughcut its a vicious cycle ... (even here in the north of Ireland). Thanks for all the great postings, especially John Lees, amazing work.
I've learned through your videos, that some artist are represented by galleries, which in turn helps them persue their careers more successfully. Do /did outsider artists have this privilege? Also, what is a "Nor Easter"? A phrase this Brit is unfamiliar with, and that it's bringing in deep snow, but the temperature was 20 degrees?
Yes, @Jason Hatt, first a Nor Easter is a major storm that comes across the metropolitan area from the north east, passing to the south west. Sometimes they're monsters. Regarding gallery representation for "outsiders," this is a good, though complex question. Many "outsiders" are dead before their work ever enters the market. And of course, if you're a living artist, working with a good gallery is a plus. But again, many of these artists don't talk, or have other challenges which makes it imperative to have a champion spreading the word and looking for opportunities... JK
@@jameskalmroughcut Thank you. I've gone down the rabbit whole and found this great BBC documentary about outsider art. I can't leave a link for some reason but its on TH-cam and titled - Turning The Art World Inside Out. Jason
Thanks @Lawrence Tarpy , these vids are bouquets of flubs, mispronunciations, and mistakes. They don't call me the "half-assed reporter" for nothing...JK
"Outsider Art" is looking more and more like Insider Art. Hard to see the folk aspects to extremely sophisticated pieces as we see here. That's ok, but its just not what is used to look like. Got too popular?
OUTSIDER ART: art produced by self-taught artists who are not part of the artistic establishment. Haa Haaa . So once you are in a gallery or show in an exhibition you are contaminated by the industry and are no longer an OUTSIDER ARTIST forever ! Lmao ! Sorry, I am an art collector and love a great diversity of art but this relatively new term Outsider Art is just ridiculous. there have been self-taught artists for a long time ever since the stone age, Caveman being the first ones, then he or she thought someone so on and so forth. the term is just branding now. Outsiders came first Lol.!
Yes all these definitions are problematic but, this ain't so new. The original classification was made by Jean Dubuffet right after WWII. Then, in 1972 art critic Roger Cardinal wrote a book expanding the category to "Outsider Art"...That's about fifty years, and yeah in the big picture it's a flash, but the market has developed extensively since then...Thanks...JK
Being from California and an Artist. ...Thank you for allowing me to see New York artists and shows. ..
Wonderful to be able to enjoy these from far far away. Many thanks.
Thank you, very interesting. So glad outsider art is finally getting some proper recognition.
what is the difference between "Outsider Art" and "Brut Art" ?
@@Sisa61 "Art brut" was a designation given by Jean Dubuffet after his investigations at the end of WWII. Roger Cardinal wrote a book called "Outsider Art" in 1973 that expanded (some people say corrupted) the classification to include folk art, visionary art, "primitive" art, and more.
Thank you mucho, James, for ALL your dedicated postings. I am a west coast painter, who would not get to see this stuff if it weren't for you and your wife, too.
I am only ten minutes in and am already blown over. So often this "outsider" art impresses me more than the big overpainted canvases coming from the latest and the greatest. Not that I am knocking anyone, I enjoy it all, but this stuff is always extra special.
Thanks James, I think your updates on the outsider art fair is one of the most exiting art I see all year
Yes! Agree.
Beautyful tour James, HOPE for ART ! Thank YOU !
Fabulous. Thank you Kate. Loved the Janet Sobel most of all.
There's no doubt Thornton Dial Sr. is arguably one of the greatest. I saw the show at the Museum of Natural History circa 1993 on the west side, my brother and I traveled by bus from Boston on my day off, just to see the show and grab lunch. That was almost 30 years ago and I remember vividly how shocked we were by works we saw. I carry the same feeling with me to this day about his work ,even after traveling the world to see art . RIP Mr. Dial
Thanks Kate! Wonderful ! Thanks for sharing.
Really like this channel and The comments..it is an nice to know what is happening in NY art scene
Outstanding reporting and very nice paintings
thank you. jt from Seattle
What a great tour James , thank you. I actually prefer seeing the event spread over different spaces rather than in a giant aircraft hanger with booths. Thanks again.
Yes @Shaun M it definitely breaks up the routine (except, trekking between the sites in freezing snow ain't so much fun...).
@@jameskalmroughcut no, not much fun in the snow but a good idea in principle.
Thank You for the close-ups and extra time with Minnie Evans' work. As you moved the camera and I could see the textures, I lamented all that we miss when we cannot see these works in person. I really appreciate you bringing this to us.
Nice tour. Thanks from Pennsylvania.
I always like looking at these Outsider art videos. Thanks James.
Thanks bro! You are doing a very valuable job for all of us! Thanks! Best regards from Russia
WOW! That collection of geometric abstractions is incredible!!!! EXCELLENT WORK! Thanks, JAMES! Thank you KATE!
Wonderful art and pleasant comments. Thank you!
Thank you Kate,
always appreciate.
Nice to spend part of Friday evening with a rough cut. Greetings from Tempe, AZ. Thanks James and Kate!
Eugene von Bruchenheim is from Marinette Wisconsin (not Chicago) and lived in Milwaukee Wisconsin on 94th Place between Schlinger Ave. and Adler St. He is quite possibly the best outsider artist of all time. He was prolific and profound and an extremely kind man. He sold candy to children from the storefront he fashioned out of his porch which was an explosion of color and plywood fronting the boathouse that was raised when he passed. One of the children he sold candy to was my father who is now 87 years old. His wife Marie was a slight and weathered angel by the time we met them in 1976, as we grew up in the house my grandfather built down the block. My mother used to drive her places in our powder blue Pacer. Marie was his muse and if you'd met her, you'd feel why. She possessed a palpably pure and fragile light, like the veil of bride entering church.
Marie and Eugene were an indestructible unit unto themselves who mark me deeply. Love cherish adore art because of them and cherish the outsider's vision and freedom from phoney respectability. Ain't no body got time for art school. They are their own tribe and they keep us real.
Mr. von Bruchenheim's work can be viewed on the Kohler Art museum's (Sheboygan Wisconsin) website. His work is capsizing...no coffee need.
RIP Marie and Eugene🤎🙏
Thanks for this touching, and enlightening insight @Corina Gencuski ...
Thanks for sharing your back story. I Love the personal accounts of artists like this.
Thank you.🙂
Thank you for bringing us this art and music. It’s helping me get through hard times. I really appreciate it. ❤️
Most enjoyable!! Great looking! Thanks!
San Miguel, Mexico
Thank you Kate! Thank you Loren. Stay safe and healthy!
Love your passionate coverage of art.....I really find it so interesting and useful.
This was is a beautiful video. Starting with the singer outside. Thank you!
James...amazing work on recording your walk throughs. Good research and congrats on the VIP pass;)
My wife and I enjoyed your video.
Thank you Kate.😌
And James thank you too.🙂
Thanks for this, and other great content...
Thank you for doing these art video!!. I could spend all day on TH-cam following what’s (or was) going on in the art world. I have met a few members of the Gee’s Bend quilters; they call their town “Jeez” Bend.
I see more interesting stuff in the so called outsider art then in the repeating academic art
I often say that the "Outsider Art Fair" is more interesting than the Whitney Biennial...
@@jameskalmroughcut James - I've followed you loosely for several years - initially pulled in by your coverage of the "Outsider Art Fair". I deeply appreciate your content. I have a question - do you have a video or essay in which you discuss Outsider Art generally? Alternatively - is there a work you feel best overviews the genre?
I have a friend who is a pottery professor at a CC. I was shocked by his claim that Outsider Art is just a shameless commercial cash grab gimmick. I felt some of his attitude was informed by his investment in codifying art through academia. I was too scared to argue with him - but have always regretted it. I need to build up my apologetics for outsider work!
Hey @@jspaingreene6350 here's an essay/interview with me that was published some years ago in Downtown Magazine about "art brut" and "outsider art". downtown500magazine.com/2016/04/20/art-brut-jorney-with-loren-james-munk-brooklyn-nyc/ Aside from that, there are several books that I've found useful in understanding the history of "outsider/art brut: Outsider Art by Roger Cardinal, Art Brut: The Origins of Outsider Art by Lucienne Peiry, and Outsider Art Sourcebook published by RawVision. Also, there is a paradox in how the "outsider" stuff has recently become a major market sector...
@@jameskalmroughcut Thank You so much! I'll read the article today. I appreciate your recommendations greatly - it's possible I have a few of them, as I have a habit of hording books and then not reading them (very embarrassing).
Your last comment 'triggered' me - I could write & ask far too much about that simple statement. How I would love to talk to you about all of it. It immediately brings to mind "Commodify Your Dissent" by Thomas Frank (The Baffler). I often hear that phrase in my head when pondering such things. I recently found the documentary "Turning the Art World Inside Out", which I am sure you are familiar with. The paradox you mention is more fleshed out in that documentary than anything I've seen previously. Joe Coleman is particularly interesting - and I was glad they touched on him in the film. I appreciate him so much, and think of his Raw Vision articles and cover. But - does he fit into "Outsider" designation when he's become so successful? I don't have an opinion.
This could lead me into a tangential set of questions regarding Jeff Koons. I once tried to ask Camille Paglia at a lecture if he is an artist, and she wouldn't really answer! (Wise woman) How I'd love to hear your take on him. I mention this mainly out of amusement.
Thank You again - All the Best to You.
(edited for clarification)
Academic art can be really cheesy & too soft these days
Love your videos james, Thank you. I would love if you did a video of your top 10 best artist or something along them lines.
Thanks for your suggestion @Mr Reeves. That would be a tall order, and I'd end up on all the shit-lists of all the artists I didn't recommend...(and many are old friends).
Thanks for what you do! I've watched all of your videos!
thanks so much! thanks kate
This was a great one. I especially loved the things in the alley, including the alley.
Exciting! as every year... Thanks for the approach, James. Warm regards from Cuernavaca; Mexico.
Great report! Thank you Kate! Stay safe!
James! - Covid Fashion Report and giving me my dose of Outsider Art. Thank You!!
I've recently come to realise that art school and the academic art world can at times snuff out raw creativity at times. Not to say great artists don't come out of the big art schools but I think it can kill creativity in order to fit in. Great video!
Thank you Kate, thank you everybody.
Thank you, thank you, thank you, TTTTTHHHHHHAAAAANNNNNKKKKK YYYYOOOOUUUUUUUU for doing this tour. Very much appreciated by an old fart in frozen Minnesota. Please continue doing these tours.
Thank you for this. I so regret not buying his art. You could buy many of his original art for anywhere from $200-$400 before he died. Now they are all selling for thousands after his death.
I read that Pollock first saw Sobel's work in Alfonso Ossorio's collection
Here's a quote from Sobel's Wiki page "Janet Sobel, who made poured, all-over compositions that unmistakably made an impact on Pollock. Greenberg recalls, Pollock (and I myself) admired [Sobel's] pictures rather furtively" at the Art of This Century gallery in 1944; "" en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Janet_Sobel
Thanks, I look forward to all your videos.
I appreciate the effort you make during these difficult times.
Thank you Kate.
horror vacui is another feature that makes outsider art different from the academic art
Funny that you used the singer in front of Marie's Crisis in the Village ( my favorite piano bar ) but the exhibition was in the Bowery ?
Part of the exhibition was on the Bowery and the Lower East Side, part was in the West Village (at the Electric Lady Studio 52 West 8th Street) but, I collect music where ever I can, and paste it into the reports. Also, here's an historical note regarding Marie's Crisis Cafe. If you look to the right of the busker during the opening, there's a plaque on the wall marking the building as the location where Thomas Paine (who wrote "Common Sense") died in 1809. forgotten-ny.com/1999/05/a-paine-in-the-village/
Another great post. Dial is a good artist and some would say the greatest artist but I wouldn’t be one off them as well.
Who’s the guy in intro music?
I wish I could've found out. Some of these performers are bashful about identifying themselves on camera...JK
super art 1111
Some of this stuff is great. I would assume most of these people did not have art "careers"?
This is an interesting question, since the whole designation of what it means to be an "outsider" has changed, and become a specialized marketing nitche...JK
I had never heard of outsider art until right now. That i realize is myself as an artist. I never knew of such a category. But that is me.. Now what should i be able to do with that i do not know?
I'd recommend doing some study of this amazing creative manifestation: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Outsider_art
Really appreciated the conversation about insider vs outsider, seems very relevant now, who has a seat at the table etc. What types of differences in people is the art world tolerant of? How much do you kind of have to be a schmoozing strategic person to be an insider versus an outsider who may be dealing with visible or invisible disabilities and how complicit is the art world in privileging the former? Anyway, good stuff.
James, if it’s truly ‘Outsider Art’ how come it’s inside ?
Ps.
And how come you are wearing your outside cycle helmet inside ?
Hey @Nagol Hayze ... Sometimes the insiders want to hit the outsiders over the head. I'm just taking precautions...JK
@@jameskalmroughcut its a vicious cycle ... (even here in the north of Ireland).
Thanks for all the great postings, especially John Lees, amazing work.
@@nagolhayze9366 Thanks, and stay tuned...JK
Nice Darger
I've learned through your videos, that some artist are represented by galleries, which in turn helps them persue their careers more successfully. Do /did outsider artists have this privilege? Also, what is a "Nor Easter"? A phrase this Brit is unfamiliar with, and that it's bringing in deep snow, but the temperature was 20 degrees?
Yes, @Jason Hatt, first a Nor Easter is a major storm that comes across the metropolitan area from the north east, passing to the south west. Sometimes they're monsters.
Regarding gallery representation for "outsiders," this is a good, though complex question. Many "outsiders" are dead before their work ever enters the market. And of course, if you're a living artist, working with a good gallery is a plus. But again, many of these artists don't talk, or have other challenges which makes it imperative to have a champion spreading the word and looking for opportunities... JK
@@jameskalmroughcut Thank you. I've gone down the rabbit whole and found this great BBC documentary about outsider art. I can't leave a link for some reason but its on TH-cam and titled -
Turning The Art World Inside Out.
Jason
what is the artists full name at 27:13? Susan....?
Susan Te Kahurangi King en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Susan_Te_Kahurangi_King
@@jameskalmroughcut thank you!
Howard Finster, not Horace, but I'm sure you know this.
Thanks @Lawrence Tarpy , these vids are bouquets of flubs, mispronunciations, and mistakes. They don't call me the "half-assed reporter" for nothing...JK
@@jameskalmroughcutAnd we love them!!!
@الخيال الجميل
Love the voice...do you=
I like when this happens "someone watches my video randomly", "Someone likes your comment" and "you have new subscriber"
الخيال الجميل@
"Outsider Art" is looking more and more like Insider Art. Hard to see the folk aspects to extremely sophisticated pieces as we see here. That's ok, but its just not what is used to look like. Got too popular?
Stop moving around stay steady for a few seconds at a time so we can look.
LOL!!!
I think he's doing what our eyes do. It's interesting to see where his eye is going
I just appreciate seeing these things we wouldn't see otherwise.
T H A N K Y O U
JK... could you spell out Eugene von (Broshen Hiem?) so we can research. The guy with cheesecake wife 😀
www.outsiderart.co.uk/artists/eugene-von-bruenchenhein
I’m convinced I hate the art school look
Not much pont to this if you don't linger on the work for long enough for viewers to focus their eyes.
צילום רע ולא ניתן להתרשם מן העבודות רק מן הקצב הדינמי של ההצגה
а че вы делаете
OUTSIDER ART: art produced by self-taught artists who are not part of the artistic establishment. Haa Haaa . So once you are in a gallery or show in an exhibition you are contaminated by the industry and are no longer an OUTSIDER ARTIST forever ! Lmao ! Sorry, I am an art collector and love a great diversity of art but this relatively new term Outsider Art is just ridiculous. there have been self-taught artists for a long time ever since the stone age, Caveman being the first ones, then he or she thought someone so on and so forth. the term is just branding now. Outsiders came first Lol.!
Yes all these definitions are problematic but, this ain't so new. The original classification was made by Jean Dubuffet right after WWII. Then, in 1972 art critic Roger Cardinal wrote a book expanding the category to "Outsider Art"...That's about fifty years, and yeah in the big picture it's a flash, but the market has developed extensively since then...Thanks...JK
Susan is the best the rest is overrated
Horrifying, the lack of study is noticeable
clueless