Joe CLOWNS Ice For His Poor Music Takes | "Watch The Throne Is NOT a Classic?"
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“The Infamous!” That’s a classic hip hop album. Timeless, I was 22 when that ish dropped, now at 50 I’m still bumping it!
Facts...& 'HELL ON EARTH' gets played straight after 🔥 🔥 🔥
Watch The Throne is absolutely a classic. I know all the lyrics front to back. It’s an album for winners.
Big facts!!
Otis, New Day, Niggas in Paris, Murder to Excellence, That my Bitch, H.A.M, Nah ICESPICE is bugging that album is a classic by now. Especially since we're NEVER getting a Yeezy and Hov collab album again. Classic Moment AND classic album in HipHop.
Classic moment not a classic album. And That's My Bitch is thrash
@@jasongrace4005 ur opinion dont speak for me
@@jasongrace4005never utter your garbage opinions again
@@mwunsy2422 😂😂😂
Ham not even on the album
Ice might be the most honest person on the pod when he's giving you his opinion about something!
Flip?
@@Steven-sd2zi Flip is Parks 3.0! Don't get it twisted tho I love mfn Parks! That's my guy! 💯
Saying watch the throne isn’t a classic is proving people didn’t listen to it
People did they just didn’t like it bro it’s not that hard to believe
@@greg20423 people not being able to explain why they didn’t like it is even harder to believe.
@@keithnicholson1852 not everyone is a music aficionado, majority are casual listeners who won’t give you a deep dive on why they don’t like the song they’ll just say it didn’t sound good which is why genres exist
Exactly
An album doesn’t have to be considered a classic for it to be a good album. WTT isn’t a classic and ye and hov are 1a and 1b on my list🤷🏾♂️
WTT is an absolute CLASSIC !!! Jay & Ye went hard, and the beats were fire
That album made me cry as a teen. WTT was a CLASSIC!
Which songs? Lol
@@Mic-100 i also want to know
I kinda agreed with ICE and felt the same when the album dropped. It’s a lot more of a classic moment that a classic sonically
I just wrote a speech in the comments but I think you changed my mind when you said sonically. But then, I remembered the song Lift Off, bout to listen to it now lol
It aint common how I got to fight in pieces, when niggas in the comment writin speeches - Jay Z
@@HandMeDeals 🚮
If you went to the show your opinion would change. It's an album made to be seen in concert. It has a epic feel to it.
@@ocampbell1954 never seen them perform it in concert. Just going off the music sonically.
Of course Parks had to find a way to agree with joe
Parks been said that.
"he's paid well."
@@Banger_Fire lol
Parks has to find a way to say a classic album is a classic? That’s crazy.
Shout out to Ice for always standing on his square!
Standing on dumb square is hardly a flex
@@oumardiallo7701Exactly! Ice and Rashad McCants have the worst takes on the internet.
The problem I have with his takes is that he never gives a real reason. He just says that's how I feel and it makes me think he doesn't think things through
@@Steven-sd2zi his explanation definitely wasn’t a good one 😂. He said it can be classic for everyone else, just not him. 💀
@@TwoH.Q RM be so fvckin emotional! 🤦🏾♂️
What Ice said at 5:00 is what’s happening with a lot of Drake latest albums. He be having 4/5 commercial hits out of 15-20 songs and they call it a classic
how many commercial hits do you need on an album? lmao
There’s a lot of classic albums that don’t have 4-5 commercial hits
@@raymon2319the problem is when the remaining 10-15 songs are 🗑️
@@MapleGlazedDonuts Exactly, you get it.
@@bondbarrybonds5774 I understand that. My point is that they claim Drake albums classic because of the commercial hit, and not the album as a whole.
TF is ICE talking about. WTT had people running around with Don C hats, Givenchy Rottweiler Shirts, we got producers like HitBoy and Singers like Frank Ocean. Culturally WTT is a classic, sound wise, style wise, lyrics wise
The Album did NOT have ppl wearing that shyt, it was already in style lol
“Name 6 songs from the album”…
Is a great way to test an album.
Not really. It's a great way to test memories. Get Rich Or Die Tryin is a certified classic - and I know the songs but I wouldn't be able to name/list "song titles"
Not always. I might not be able to name 6 songs on whatever album I consider classic. But once you start playing album I'm rapping damn near word for word the majority of that album. Example: Juvenile - 400 Degrees
@@101PointBlank101 I obviously don’t know you and somehow I’m pretty sure you can name 6 songs from that album.
@@izzy_bozay True. 400🔥. Damn. Thats a great example and I think it emphasizes the point Ice is trying to make. Is 400 degrees a classic because the “culture” says it’s a classic OR is it a classic because YOU actually consider it a classic.
I think if YOU consider it a classic in your personal archive - you could name six songs. IMO.
@@ryanhumor Glad you caught my main point! And 400 Degrees is a classic to me because of me, not the culture! 👍🏾💯
I actually agree that it's a classic 'moment' because the actual album itself as a body of work surprisingly hasn't been heard by many people*
*surprisingly...
@@Am77-007 Autocorrect mate… 🙂
What messed it up was that Kanye didn't even produce on it like that
wasn't it One of the last albums to "Real" Platinum"? You know actually sell a million records. Or are NYC people being exposed and yall dont even listen to your own Music Anymore.
Damn Shame we gotta Watch this Twice 😂😂😂
We ?!?!? Maybe you shouldn't be so addicted to his show.
ice be making the most valid points and joe just trys to change the topic
I can’t hear nobody talk music that says the chronic not a classic.
You can definitely name 6 songs off that album…that was crazy
The irony that I just played “New Day” like three time in a row the other day. I’ve gotta chill
Watch the Throne was pretty mid…the hype of them two collaborating fell super flat wit subpar bars and minimal effort. The names made the project better than it actually was.
Watch the Throne is absolutely a classic.
Stop it! Nobody ever put that album when they name good Jay or Ye albums.
It wasn't and it's not lmao
Naw. A great album
Its a great album but no classic. I consider an album a classic 10 to 20 years from now we still might bump it. I doubt 10 to 20 years from now anybody is going to be listening to that.
Niggas call anything classics
This caused a huge discussion on Reddit. I can see his point. It has some classic songs but I personally rock with their individual catalogue harder. I delineate good, classic albums.
Same for example I don’t think tha Carter 3 is a classic album, but I do think it’s good and people have taken issue with me saying that.
I consider Dark Fantasy a classic & liked it more than WTT.
I'd give WTT 🎤🎤🎤🎤 though.
100 with ice on this. You don’t have to feel everything people feel is a classic and you don’t have to have a big reason for it either
I’ll rap the entire watch the throne word for word
“I ain’t watching the, throne I’m sabotaging it” - Number 3
"If they're teaching how to dougie, im condoning dropping out"
This is why the world seems to spin faster every second. Can’t even have your own opinion w/o muhfuckahs thinking you hating 🤦🏾♂️ Be you Ice‼️💯
*If "Think For Yourself" was a person it would 100% be Ice aka Biig Freeze!*
It’s not a classic and I hate Ice music takes but he 100% correct on this one
Unpopular opinion: Ice gotta point
Lol cap
@@blackspiderman4766No it's not!
That's a fact!
Fr! Always thought this
Popular take: That's cap
ICE MAKES ME MAD WHEN HE DONT EXPLAIN HIS MUSIC TAKE😂
Exactly. It's not his takes/opinions. It's the fact that it's just "don't like it". 😂😂😂
That's like me saying Rhianna ain't fine, niggas gonna have questions.
Why do he have to have an explanation? Lol. Sometimes people don’t like things, and they may or may not have a reason why. It’s just not for them.
He don't have to explain himself! Tf?!
@@LembeckIsStayingI mean….maybe for a black chick.
@@izzy_bozay Baby his job is to talk 😂😂
Ice don’t know music 😂 he’s just playing the part. How are you not able to explain why you like or dislike something. Sometimes it’s hard for sheep’s to form their own opinion when you follow the crowd for so long
Not being able to name 6 songs off watch the throne and being on a hip hop podcast don’t align
Watch the throne wasn't all that 4:47
Classic albums to me are albums that either doesn’t have skips or maybe 1-2 skips. The album also has to age well. Now some people will say it’s based on the culture at large recognizing it as a classic.
Watch The Throne is a classic album of that time it dropped for sure, but that also was a time where a lot of quality albums and mixtapes were getting dropped(Sorry 4 The Wait dropped around the same time I think). I grew up in San Bernardino CA, nowhere near NYC or Chi but me and my homies bumped that shit and everyone else in the city. You couldn't go anywhere without hearing Watch the Throne, Sorry 4 The Wait or Rich Forever
And Carter 4
WTT is definitely a classic
No it's not lmao
*0:02**-**0:13*
Championships _is_ Meek's best album as a whole. He outdid himself with that Collins intro. 💯
(The real truth to walk away with from this video.)
American Gangster was definitely what made me look at him neutrally, but I do enjoy him now as an adult. That album was the reason.
I like American Gangster waaay more than WTT. Hov was in his bag & that production was top tier!
It's kingdom come is jay best work hands down
To me it’s a top 5 most important album of the 2010’s
"I don't know the Infamous album" is a wild thing to say.
Vince Staples with the comedy relief
Three good songs on a album don’t make it a classic
You only liked 3 songs?
4*
@@shynebayarea510 yes
@@shynebayarea5102, I didn't really like Otis.
@@greyya.k.a9761 ok
You never have an album like that again unless jcole and kdot drop something ridiculous. Over 10 years. Its a classic
You don't have to think watch the throne is not a classic but it is.
Watch the throne was NOT a classic and I honestly don’t see a whole lot of people saying it is so this whole stance that most people think it’s a classic from these guys confuses me. Must be a east coast thing.
Naming all classics to only New York rappers is wild
I only listened to 2 songs on watch the throne.. “Gotta have it” and “Niggas in Paris” the rest was mid.
Ice saying “I’m not trolling” is him trolling.
How you can’t verbalize that you like or dislike a song. 🙄
I hope Joe was playing when he said it was better than The Chronic
I thought I heard him say that he lost his damn mind ain’t no album they ever put out is better than the chronic 1 and 2
That’s another album that’s overrated and not a classic 😴
It ain’t a classic with the music if you say it’s a classic moment I’m not going to disagree tho
I don’t care what Joe says on this. I have always felt watch the Throne is overrated ..and I hate saying ice is right lol
Watch the throne has no skips, no miss. That's a classic. It gets better every listen
Watch the throne one of the best albums ever!
Ice don’t have the voice, the face or the attitude for a podcast. Especially this one.
I dont know about the fact part i couldn't care less but his takes are pretty lame and boring
I agree with Ice
100% with Ice. Watch the Throne was a memorable moment but the music they gave us was just ok.
Exactly it was mid but Joe goes for name value over substance
Exactly!!!!
Otis and niggas in Paris
The music ages well
@@Ren-rd5xy neither of them aged well
@@Ren-rd5xy Niggas in Paris has not aged well and Otis only did because of the timeless sample.
Vince stuck the landing 😂
It’s was a great moment not a classic
Ice was spittin 🤷🏿♂️
I have to admit I didn't like watch the throne either. I should go back and listen tho.
I disagree with Ice, I can explain any opinion I have. If I can't explain myself, I say I don't know enough about that specific topic. I don't like when people down things for no reason, even if I don't like the thing myself.
He didn’t down the album though. He just said it wasn’t a classic to him.
Murder to excellence, joy, lift off, who gone stop me, no church in the wild, Otis, niggas in Paris off the top. Hella replay value
Clique dropped in 2012 produced by Hit-Boy.... They did not start beefing right after WTT. lol
Nah it’s a classic they brought back top rappers collaborating on an album and dropped a great project
My favourite tracks from Watch the Throne:
Gotta Have It
Murder to Excellence
New Day
No Church in the Wild
Welcome to the Jungle
Prime Time and The Joy if counting deluxe.
Albert Einstein ~ if you can’t explain it to a six year old, you don’t understand it yourself
I don't know what's wrong with you people in the comments Watch the thrown is a absolute classic i can listen to every single song right now and it still bangs
They are trying to be "different" I think it's one the best produced hip hop albums of all time. The production was insane.
Y’all crazy. Watch the throne is for sure a classic. The sounds they used and the flow they had with each other. Pfft. Buggin.
Ice is right about WTT and Frank Ocean. "Sweet mother Mary... Sweet brother Malcom" who wants to hear that more than once
I can't even imagine relying on a lil dude for music info.💀
Ice tryna be the music Skip Bayless 😂😂😂
im the biggest Ye fan you’ll find but Watch The Throne aint no damn classic, it has classic moments
I meeeeeaaaan kinda got point...i think we first got to define a classic…for me it's for every 10 songs, 9 maybe 8 gotta be bangers 🔥 🔥 🔥.if not its just good
2 things can be true.
Ice cannot like watch the throne
WTT is a classic
" If I don't like it, I don't like it. That don't mean that I'm hating." - Common
Watch The Throne is a good album I don't think it's a classic though.
what makes an album a classic? Naming 6 records off of it? Cultural Impact? That's pretty subjective.. because if it's cultural impact, then yea, it's a classic. If it's naming 6 records, off the dome, who can do that? that in of itself is subjective. I see where he's going but it's not there.
Watch the throne was okay that's it okay
it took me 6mins to realize vince staples was even there
Joe Budden adding cohost like his life depended on it. 7+ mfers in a room to make a podcast!
It was legendary that they made an album together, but its definitely not a classic
💯 with Ice
Yo ice is totally right
People call anything a "classic" these days
Ice music takes have him batting about .195 😂😂
Watch the thorn is a FUCK!NG CLASSIC!!!
“Name 6 songs” is the corniest argument ever.
I’m with ICESPICE on this “IT’S NOT A CLASSIC”
ICESPICE is crazy😂
Wild view. That album is a classic. The term black excellence was made popular by that album & that song "murder to excellence" wasn't even a single. "New day", "made in America" "prime time", "gotta have it" 🔥🔥🔥🔥 y'all are crazy
Even the bonus track was fire.
Only sensible comment I’ve seen. Summed it up perfectly
*Love ice but “Watch the Throne” is a classic bro*
This explains why a Macklemore will beat out a Kendrick Lamar for a Grammy
Naming names of songs means nothing most people don’t remember the names the song but remember the music
I’m wit ice on the Frank ocean take. He overhyped
Where the hell do you find the full episode?
That’s crazy I can def name drop just about every track on that album. Perfect album dudes. Deff a classic. A shame to find out NOW that people like joe (who I thought would defend an album like this till death) don’t even know much about it
Edit
Also if we’re being honest watch the throne really did start a wave for collab albums. There really were none before watch the throne then mfs saw there was success in this. To me this album def paved a way. Again this coming from someone that was 13-14 at the time but it was also a time where I left radio hits and started focusing on albums and I’m just saying man we wouldn’t have the collab albums we have now if it weren’t for watch the throne.
Are you from New York or close by?
@@MikeBrown-hu3xz I’m from LI so depending where you from I either am or I’m close by lol. With that being said tho I was a ye fan and not much of a hov fan. Also I was like 13-14 my idol was drake I wasn’t on some NY represent shit ever.
That album influenced culture and still does till this day.
Vince was like i wasn't born when the chronic came out same i wasn't born to
Bruh…. No Church In The Wild, Why I Love You, Made in America, Murder in Excellence, Gotta Have It
Na dont try to play big freeze because he kinda had a point.. it was a classic moment more than a classic album
Ayyye! I love your channel, keep up the amazing work! 💯🤍
10+ years of influence is a moment?
@@kaywess1738❤ thanks
Ice has a point but his music taste is what tarnishes his argument. Doesn’t give credit to WTT but will for a EST GEE album ☠️.
I'm with Ice on this one. Classic moment, but the album itself musicwise, nah.