A new Prevost costs millions of dollars. Scott seems to be one of the few competent and honest bus mechanics around and can charge full price for his work. His overhead is low and he is in demand. Congratulations Scott Crosby. Working on the best equipment, he’s got work lined up.
Not sure what today's prices are but the 2021 price for a Prevost shell (no seats or other interior appointments not needed to drive the vehicle to the conversion installer) was US $800k - $1m. There are still some nice XL II out there, owned by entertainment coach lessors and maintenance-conscious charter operators, and then there is the unfortunate example in this video. The owner brought it to the right place, Scott and Jonathan will take good care of it.
@southothehighway once the maintenance is all caught up the yearly maintenance is only about 1-2k. We see so many neglected ones that need 20 years of catch up
It depends a little on your local store. There IS guidance given to a manager and they CAN deny you if they chose too. I've seen them ban people in uniforms trying to swap out the same pittsburgh breaker bar for the 3rd time in a week after pointing out the handle has a score from a cheater bar, etc. It's rare though, mostly people just straight up abusing the system (like bringing in tons of random garage-sale find hand tools, etc.) But, for the most part, the policy says Walk-In and Walk-Out with a tool, even if they have to open a set to get that specific tool.
@@BusGreaseMonkey I hear a lot of people saying bad things about Harbor Freight Tools and personally, for the money I don't think you can beat them for their availability, service, and especially price. Over the past many years, I ve accumulated and used about all the major tools(mainly heavy duty ones}, and with the exception of Tiger Tool, I would put them at the top as far as customer service goes.
I use Tri-Flow to lubricate my bicycle chains. They last six to eight times longer and they don't become a mess. Only downside is the inclusion of PFAS.
Love it when you guys hit up a Prevost. :) My 2000 Prevost H3-45 requires new tie rod ends, too. I haven't been able to get under there myself to take a look, but I was told it has 4 that need to be replaced? I don't know enough about my own bus yet. I do know it will need steer tires once that work is done, they're cupped pretty badly. My brakes on my tag looked like that, too.... Those are replaced now! One thing at a time! Thanks for putting your work up here on TH-cam. It's definitely informative and insightful to the clueless like me! :)
Interesting that the bus was part of a trio sold and one burned to the ground.Another channel i watch based in LA recently had a bbq bus they had to get off of the freeway...the guy had bought it the day prior too. It was hard to tell what kind it was though but no injuries. As for this bus...good grief that tie rod fought !! I am glad the other side went so much easier for you guys. A great video as always Scott🙂
Hi Scott, Greetings from the UK, I usually put the nut back on the thread and put a jack under the joint to put some weight on to encourage it to split, not often you get one that tight though.
Pity you can't name the original bus company owners who were too busy painting wheels to make it look pretty while their mechanics neglected & Abused it for decades only for you to discover so many unfortunate surprises 😮 for the new owner.
while using the air hammer at the same time hit up on the stud with a ball peen it usually works for stubborn tie rod ends, done it many times, great work, thanks
What a difference in power between the Snap On and the Chief. I guess the Snap On had its day and its over. Snap On makes some great tools but other tool suppliers are good too. I will take whatever works, not what the name on the tool is.
If your just heating go to propane/oxygen. Also might help to put a bottle jack under the tie rod threads to get some upward static pressure on that tapered stud.
I normally push up on the tie rod shaft with my hand and with the castle nut on the tie rod bolt i smack the head of the linkage arm with a short heavy hammer, works just about every time for me.
I would use a heavy piece of iron shaped/welded to a V to back up the area opposite the pickle fork....works good especially if parts are rubber mounted or springy.
About harbor freight . Bought a set of SAE impact sockets 1/2 inch drive 1976 lost one socket but never broke one or wore any out . As a matter of fact . At 75 years old . I gave all my tools and equipment to my grand son . He’s in high school . Now it’s correct use of all tools . He will be the last one I teach . . U guys enjoy the 4 th of July Independence Day weekend now a Monday holiday ? the whole thing is messed up anymore .
I hope you pay that young man a lot of money for all his back breaking work. All i see you do is use the phone to video. Also he does not speak very much and then it is a whisper. Hope he never quits. A very hard worker. Where is Tyler??
Hmm, one burned down on the way home? Pepe's Towing posted a video last week of them loading a bus (in transit configuration I think) that burned down the day after the owner bought it...
as a person who works on my own cars i look at this and say damn i'll never complain again when something wont come off etc. i love busses and want one but damn i'm like do i really want one LOL
Allison has revised the thread repair procedure for the main and lube filter cover retaining bolt threads a couple times. In around 2002 Allison started using helicoils on the threads for the filter covers. I have the SPX Kent Moore J-42385-AT service tool thread repair set for the 3000/4000 series transmissions. I automatically install inserts in every 3000/4000 series allison that I overhaul. The thread repair set is around $2000 for a new one.
You should always wallop the piece of the spindle where the taper passes through with a sledge. I bet it would have come apart a lot sooner if you had.
Was that coach used a lot up in the northeast or Canada a lot in the winter time, then after all the road salt, parked for a while? I hope the corrosion didnt get to the ABS and wiring as well. Man< I dont blame you for charging sur charge on the gas. Our supplier has raised his prices twice in last year, and not just a little.
Sounds like the pickups that launch boats in salt water eg half the vehicle submerged . Then imagine it spends most of its life on dirt roads and is located in tropical region . Repeat rust / corrosion everywhere . Doubles the job time and cost
Harbor Freight coming through, I have a few to swap out myself but their 1/2inch breaker has been a beast for me - not surprised yours broke with the bar on it! Curious - who makes good toolboxes for a reasonable price these days? I've got a big stainless box but it's overflowing and I'm on the lookout. Harbor? Lowes or HD? Certainly not SnapOn at their price. What do people have good experiences with?
I watched your previous video on disc brakes. I was a diesel mechanic for 20 years but retired before disc come out on trucks. Wish you would have given more information on how the brake chamber actuated or how the inner working applies the disc on these units. We had some wedge drum brakes in the late 1970's. The self adjustment would seize after a time and made them dangerous since they couldn't be adjusted on the road. Anyway, I drive a 1996 36'motorhome with drums. I always worry about that 3000 allison. Everything else I do myself.
@@BusGreaseMonkey unfortunately mine was beyond that. Rust holes . That 2x3 tube that the front two air bags sit on was rusted thru in a few spots I had to replace that whole tube and cut new air bag perches
As I recall those tie rod forks are ramped on one side and level on the other and it works better if the ramped side goes toward the part being removed-??? Looks like its reversed here.
Was it prudent to perform all the suspension, steering and brake work before determining whether or not the transmission is functional? Or is it being fixed no matter what? The amount and depth of rust on this bus makes wonder if it was used for driving tours thru salt mines. I had no idea they used that much salt on Canadian roads.
Harbor freight is a bit nuts on warranty. I have a big $200+ dollar set of 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2” stuff. I broke an Allen socket. They insisted I bring in the entire set to exchange in order to replace 1 3/8 Dr Allen.
I am guessing here but it would seem a lot of these busses are like camper trailers etc that sit around for years without moving and things decay,like any machine if not tended to .
Looks like these 3 busses had been driven hard and put away wet😏 Just hope the current owner bought the bus for the right price to help absorb what’s currently happening
I think the bus company should have paid for the buses to be taken away. Don't know anything about heavy vehicles but that one looks like a bottomless money pit. Enjoying all your videos.
Yeah, put a jack underneath pushing up on the threaded end, then bash the side of the knuckle with a hand sledge. That will normally pop the toughest joints. No guarantees of course, but that normally will do it. This obviously was not a normal situation however!
Just don't buy an old worn out pile of junk bus that hasn't received service or proper routine maintenance throughout it's life. The fact is you get what you pay for and if you buy the cheapest bus you can find you will very learn very soon why it was so cheap and by the time you get done with repairs you will have likely spent more than the cost of buying a well maintained bus that is road worthy.
@@BusGreaseMonkey I have no idea what they paid for this unit that looks like it was driven into the Great Salt lake, but I do follow prices of entertainer coaches from the Bus4sale lot in Goodlettsville. The difference in prices for very similar conversions, same Prevost chassis, within a model year of each other... was the telling clue for me. If there's a $100k-$150k spread on a 12 year old model, guess which one likely has observable deficiencies? Not for the faint of heart or light of wallet. "This sucks..." prices start at $10k plus the tow charges. I'm guessing if the transmission in this coach has to be replaced the owner is looking at a total bill of $40k+ from your shop. That's a whole lot of work for a bus that was presumed to be maintained. One look at the rust would have had me re-think any seller statements. Great video series, Scott, and Jono is gonna be a great mechanic. He's got the patience to learn and retain.
A father-in-law’s touching solicitude for his son-in-law’s well-being as \}the caliper nestles between the legs. Scott’s real concern: his future grandchildren. 😉😎.
I have broke my share of all the BIG name brand tools and even the no name and auto store brands. Most do what the were designed to do but none can tackle the real world.
METRIC FITS SAE. Don't waste money on SAE size tools... and because as Scott pointed out ...SAE does NOT fit METRIC. METRIC tools however, WILL FIT SAE - often better than SAE. Research for yourselves.
Having not needed a metric impact socket for the last 10 years i will not be buying a lot of them. My sae stuff fits what we work on just fine. But i only workin old stuff.
That bus shouldn’t have been on the road. Unless it was on a double drop. So as far as the one that burnt down That could have saved lives of a family driving to Disney world. So stupid one has a burnt bus. Wish this bus was inspected at a scale house. No one even looked at the brakes before it was driven. That’s so sad nope pathetic. More money than brains my father would say. However it did make it to a great shop. Owner is hummm
A new Prevost costs millions of dollars. Scott seems to be one of the few competent and honest bus mechanics around and can charge full price for his work. His overhead is low and he is in demand. Congratulations Scott Crosby. Working on the best equipment, he’s got work lined up.
And one needs 10’s of thousands to maintain it too.
Not sure what today's prices are but the 2021 price for a Prevost shell (no seats or other interior appointments not needed to drive the vehicle to the conversion installer) was US $800k - $1m. There are still some nice XL II out there, owned by entertainment coach lessors and maintenance-conscious charter operators, and then there is the unfortunate example in this video. The owner brought it to the right place, Scott and Jonathan will take good care of it.
@@TheBeingRealWhat should the annual maintenance allowance be for 10,000 miles/year?
@southothehighway once the maintenance is all caught up the yearly maintenance is only about 1-2k. We see so many neglected ones that need 20 years of catch up
Sitting on the throne and reading the sears catalog 😅 , good memories!
Warranty for Harbor Freight is really like the old Sears. That’s good to know.
It depends a little on your local store. There IS guidance given to a manager and they CAN deny you if they chose too. I've seen them ban people in uniforms trying to swap out the same pittsburgh breaker bar for the 3rd time in a week after pointing out the handle has a score from a cheater bar, etc. It's rare though, mostly people just straight up abusing the system (like bringing in tons of random garage-sale find hand tools, etc.) But, for the most part, the policy says Walk-In and Walk-Out with a tool, even if they have to open a set to get that specific tool.
I saw abused Craftsman tools and the local Sears folks were not happy to swap but they always did. Most were broken wood handles.
Hey Scott. That was me who made the question regarding the suspension. Thank you for taking a minute and trying to make sense of it for me.
The Snap On did all the hard work and the Chief took all the glory.
The chief is a stronger hammer. We were switching back and forth. It had its chance.
@@BusGreaseMonkey I hear a lot of people saying bad things about Harbor Freight Tools and personally, for the money I don't think you can beat them for their availability, service, and especially price. Over the past many years, I ve accumulated and used about all the major tools(mainly heavy duty ones}, and with the exception of Tiger Tool, I would put them at the top as far as customer service goes.
@@billtodd6509 Tekton tools are quite impressive, though it is mail order. Replacements are in the mail about as quick as you hang up with them.
Kroil was a go-to product in my career as a law enforcement armorer. I still use it on My personal firearms.
Try Ballistol too!
I use Tri-Flow to lubricate my bicycle chains. They last six to eight times longer and they don't become a mess. Only downside is the inclusion of PFAS.
Prevost builds all its buses exclusively in Canada, Quebec City St Clair since 1937
Eugene Prevost started his company building church pews. Started building buses in 1924. They are celebrating 100 years this year (2024)
you can add a grease zerk to those "unserviceable" joints. just drill into the top cover, self tapping zerks work well here 12:13
Love it when you guys hit up a Prevost. :) My 2000 Prevost H3-45 requires new tie rod ends, too. I haven't been able to get under there myself to take a look, but I was told it has 4 that need to be replaced? I don't know enough about my own bus yet. I do know it will need steer tires once that work is done, they're cupped pretty badly. My brakes on my tag looked like that, too.... Those are replaced now! One thing at a time! Thanks for putting your work up here on TH-cam. It's definitely informative and insightful to the clueless like me! :)
One thing to try you could put a bottle jack on the stud and push it up
Interesting that the bus was part of a trio sold and one burned to the ground.Another channel i watch based in LA recently had a bbq bus they had to get off of the freeway...the guy had bought it the day prior too. It was hard to tell what kind it was though but no injuries.
As for this bus...good grief that tie rod fought !! I am glad the other side went so much easier for you guys. A great video as always Scott🙂
Hi Scott, Greetings from the UK, I usually put the nut back on the thread and put a jack under the joint to put some weight on to encourage it to split, not often you get one that tight though.
Pity you can't name the original bus company owners who were too busy painting wheels to make it look pretty while their mechanics neglected & Abused it for decades only for you to discover so many unfortunate surprises 😮 for the new owner.
This one has been a tough nut to crack. My God! Talk about hard work!
Thank goodness the play in the drive shaft was the universal joints
Harbor freight is a modern marvel. So much fun. I don't know how they do it, especially the amazing sales. on reasonable quality stuff.
It looks like a lot of stuff was overlooked when it was in service,glad you are getting it fixed now Scott…
Wow, this '97 is fighting harder than the 60+ yr old 4104.
Crazy
@@robertI153 He said the bus came out of Salt Lake City, UT.
while using the air hammer at the same time hit up on the stud with a ball peen it usually works for stubborn tie rod ends, done it many times, great work, thanks
What a difference in power between the Snap On and the Chief. I guess the Snap On had its day and its over. Snap On makes some great tools but other tool suppliers are good too. I will take whatever works, not what the name on the tool is.
If your just heating go to propane/oxygen. Also might help to put a bottle jack under the tie rod threads to get some upward static pressure on that tapered stud.
Lowe's has Craftsman tools and they've replaced every broken one I've brought in also.
They do not have the largest selection and many craftsmen items are no longer made so you get something similar not exact replacement
I normally push up on the tie rod shaft with my hand and with the castle nut on the tie rod bolt i smack the head of the linkage arm with a short heavy hammer, works just about every time for me.
I would use a heavy piece of iron shaped/welded to a V to back up the area opposite the pickle fork....works good especially if parts are rubber mounted or springy.
About harbor freight . Bought a set of SAE impact sockets 1/2 inch drive 1976 lost one socket but never broke one or wore any out . As a matter of fact . At 75 years old . I gave all my tools and equipment to my grand son . He’s in high school . Now it’s correct use of all tools . He will be the last one I teach . . U guys enjoy the 4 th of July Independence Day weekend now a Monday holiday ? the whole thing is messed up anymore .
I hope you pay that young man a lot of money for all his back breaking work. All i see you do is use the phone to video. Also he does not speak very much and then it is a whisper. Hope he never quits. A very hard worker. Where is Tyler??
Hmm, one burned down on the way home? Pepe's Towing posted a video last week of them loading a bus (in transit configuration I think) that burned down the day after the owner bought it...
keep the clips coming
as a person who works on my own cars i look at this and say damn i'll never complain again when something wont come off etc. i love busses and want one but damn i'm like do i really want one LOL
Allison has revised the thread repair procedure for the main and lube filter cover retaining bolt threads a couple times. In around 2002 Allison started using helicoils on the threads for the filter covers.
I have the SPX Kent Moore J-42385-AT service tool thread repair set for the 3000/4000 series transmissions. I automatically install inserts in every 3000/4000 series allison that I overhaul. The thread repair set is around $2000 for a new one.
That is good to know. Kent-Moore sure has save a lot of Professional shops bacon, right?
Suggestion, your air hammer doesn’t seem to be up to the job. Get a CP717 for hammer power. It has a .501 shaft diameter.
If it was like the ones I drove, you can raise the tag from a button from the dash. The older MCI's (5-102's) was manual chain up for the Tag.
You should always wallop the piece of the spindle where the taper passes through with a sledge. I bet it would have come apart a lot sooner if you had.
We did it didn’t work
Was that coach used a lot up in the northeast or Canada a lot in the winter time, then after all the road salt, parked for a while? I hope the corrosion didnt get to the ABS and wiring as well. Man< I dont blame you for charging sur charge on the gas. Our supplier has raised his prices twice in last year, and not just a little.
Rocky Mountain winter salted roads
Sounds like the pickups that launch boats in salt water eg half the vehicle submerged . Then imagine it spends most of its life on dirt roads and is located in tropical region . Repeat rust / corrosion everywhere . Doubles the job time and cost
Have you thought about striking the area around the stud, on the spindle?
I use a 20 ton hydraulic jack to pop tie rod ends.
Works most of the time
Harbor Freight coming through, I have a few to swap out myself but their 1/2inch breaker has been a beast for me - not surprised yours broke with the bar on it! Curious - who makes good toolboxes for a reasonable price these days? I've got a big stainless box but it's overflowing and I'm on the lookout. Harbor? Lowes or HD? Certainly not SnapOn at their price. What do people have good experiences with?
I watched your previous video on disc brakes. I was a diesel mechanic for 20 years but retired before disc come out on trucks. Wish you would have given more information on how the brake chamber actuated or how the inner working applies the disc on these units. We had some wedge drum brakes in the late 1970's. The self adjustment would seize after a time and made them dangerous since they couldn't be adjusted on the road. Anyway, I drive a 1996 36'motorhome with drums. I always worry about that 3000 allison. Everything else I do myself.
I just rebuilt that whole suspension cradle in my 96 Prevost XL it was totally rusted.
I would love to spend a couple days under this with a wire wheel and some rust converter paint.
@@BusGreaseMonkey unfortunately mine was beyond that. Rust holes . That 2x3 tube that the front two air bags sit on was rusted thru in a few spots I had to replace that whole tube and cut new air bag perches
Hope the owner respects the effort you put into this bus. It’s not always about the cost.
As I recall those tie rod forks are ramped on one side and level on the other and it works better if the ramped side goes toward the part being removed-??? Looks like its reversed here.
Old Christine is a laugh a minute!
Was it prudent to perform all the suspension, steering and brake work before determining whether or not the transmission is functional? Or is it being fixed no matter what? The amount and depth of rust on this bus makes wonder if it was used for driving tours thru salt mines. I had no idea they used that much salt on Canadian roads.
Harbor freight is a bit nuts on warranty. I have a big $200+ dollar set of 1/4, 3/8 and 1/2” stuff. I broke an Allen socket. They insisted I bring in the entire set to exchange in order to replace 1 3/8 Dr Allen.
I am guessing here but it would seem a lot of these busses are like camper trailers etc that sit around for years without moving and things decay,like any machine if not tended to .
ICON is just as good or better than Snapper tools and I’m really impressed with their Daytona floor jacks
Better in my opinion. Replacement is way easier and faster 95% of the time too with HF
Is it a core charge if not just rebuild it.
Will your next purchase be an Ingersoll Rand W9691-K4E 20V High-torque 1" Cordless Impact Wrench with 3,000 ft-lbs of nut busting torque?
@BusGreaseMonkey aer you interested in an 88 MCI MC9 in good condition? Or anyone you might know? It's a seated coach.
Only two tools I ever used on a heavy truck was a big hammer and a hot wrench
Am I understanding correctly that this bus has only one driven axle?
My 1991 Prevost He-40 VIP (conversion shell model) has factory original ABS.
You have disc tag axle
@@BusGreaseMonkey Yes, I do. And steer axle as well.
Looks like these 3 busses had been driven hard and put away wet😏 Just hope the current owner bought the bus for the right price to help absorb what’s currently happening
What happened to jacking the pin up and wacking the arm with hammer? 🤔
I dunno... if you keep knocking all the rust off there won't be a chassis left.
Northern Tools will warranty your tools for life is somehow you managed to keep up with the receipt for the rest of your life
Harbor freight has many convenient locations to go to.
I think the bus company should have paid for the buses to be taken away.
Don't know anything about heavy vehicles but that one looks like a bottomless money pit.
Enjoying all your videos.
Buses are a lot like boats; Bust Out Another Thousand. 😉
@@danielseelye6005 Yep. A friend told me that a boat was a hole in the water where money was thrown in.
I'm surprised you didn't just bash on the knuckle. Usually because of the taper, it squeezes the ball joint right out
Yeah, put a jack underneath pushing up on the threaded end, then bash the side of the knuckle with a hand sledge. That will normally pop the toughest joints. No guarantees of course, but that normally will do it. This obviously was not a normal situation however!
Use a welding tip to heat it gets more heat in a concentrated area
I always wanted a bus, not after watching your videos.
Grease is cheaper than precision parts. It people do simple maintenance many issues we fight are eliminated
Just don't buy an old worn out pile of junk bus that hasn't received service or proper routine maintenance throughout it's life.
The fact is you get what you pay for and if you buy the cheapest bus you can find you will very learn very soon why it was so cheap and by the time you get done with repairs you will have likely spent more than the cost of buying a well maintained bus that is road worthy.
@@ChrisHarding-lk3jj how much do you think he paid for this bus? It was not cheap
@@BusGreaseMonkey How many miles are on it?
@@BusGreaseMonkey I have no idea what they paid for this unit that looks like it was driven into the Great Salt lake, but I do follow prices of entertainer coaches from the Bus4sale lot in Goodlettsville. The difference in prices for very similar conversions, same Prevost chassis, within a model year of each other... was the telling clue for me. If there's a $100k-$150k spread on a 12 year old model, guess which one likely has observable deficiencies? Not for the faint of heart or light of wallet. "This sucks..." prices start at $10k plus the tow charges. I'm guessing if the transmission in this coach has to be replaced the owner is looking at a total bill of $40k+ from your shop. That's a whole lot of work for a bus that was presumed to be maintained. One look at the rust would have had me re-think any seller statements.
Great video series, Scott, and Jono is gonna be a great mechanic. He's got the patience to learn and retain.
The tie rod removal job from ehch eee double l.
A father-in-law’s touching solicitude for his son-in-law’s well-being as \}the caliper nestles between the legs. Scott’s real concern: his future grandchildren. 😉😎.
I have broke my share of all the BIG name brand tools and even the no name and auto store brands. Most do what the were designed to do but none can tackle the real world.
Calcium cloride left on metal
Not rinsed off
3:34 - can't be tight if it is liquid
I'm surprised how rusty the undercarriage is
It makes me think…..did DOT really inspect these buses all these years
I think this probably had some serious issues while in service….
A can of mapp gas would probably work most time
Hi I'm Rita from Aolithium. I just wanna know if you still want to work with us?
Get out the marshmallows!
Listen.... it can't be tight if it's a liquid!
if you want your transmission fixed, just wrap it up and fly to Pakistan and they will rebuild it for dirt cheap and fly home with it,
they just do not make them like the G.M.C. BUS //LOL
METRIC FITS SAE.
Don't waste money on SAE size tools... and because as Scott pointed out ...SAE does NOT fit METRIC.
METRIC tools however, WILL FIT SAE - often better than SAE.
Research for yourselves.
Having not needed a metric impact socket for the last 10 years i will not be buying a lot of them. My sae stuff fits what we work on just fine. But i only workin old stuff.
That bus shouldn’t have been on the road. Unless it was on a double drop. So as far as the one that burnt down That could have saved lives of a family driving to Disney world. So stupid one has a burnt bus. Wish this bus was inspected at a scale house. No one even looked at the brakes before it was driven. That’s so sad nope pathetic. More money than brains my father would say. However it did make it to a great shop. Owner is hummm