"Perfect! Report to your local Guard recruit area and we'll give you a lot more than just a bolt gun for killing 'Nids! Remember, son, why kill yourself when there's a galaxy of monsters that could do you that for you?"
"They're taking our water. They're taking our air." Wow, those nids are nasty. "What nids? I was talking about the AdMech setting up new manufactoria."
37:23 Correction: Tyranids CAN eat metals and they actually do that a lot with each devoured world, they use said metals to harden their carapaces. That said, the problem with fighting Necrons isn't the fact that they're Metal, it's the fact that they're both ONLY metal and capable of disintegrating biomass. It would be like a human trying to survive only on salt and actively losing weight for every pound of salt eaten. Nids fighting Chaos technically isn't a loss of biomass, it's a Net 0, because they can repurpose their dead bodies, but Nids fighting Necrons is a Net loss in every case.
A vast amount of the biomass would have to be used as energy to move and power the hive fleet. Calories burned to simply do everything from shoot a weapon, to make each spore, to moving the entire thing to the next planet. Keep in mind that all the biomass on earth is actually fueled from the power of the sun constantly blasting down on it. Every conquest has to get that fuel back and the surplus used to get larger if possible. SO fighting chaos is a very large net negative. Necrons even larger as a FULLY awakened tomb world has already scourged the planet of life as if the Hive had already been there.
Even if a Necron falls, their body just gets teleported away to be repaired. The only way to stop them coming back is to completely destroy the tomb world and all its infrastructure. All while the Necrons are fighting you - and disintegrating your biomass to atoms - every step of the way.
Some fun tyranid tidbits The Swarmlord got challenged to a 1v1 by the avatar of Khaine (jobbers 1v1, lets go!). The Swarmlord accepted, and then proceeded to throw 12 carnifexes at the avatar, which then died. When the tyranids fought Nurgle forces, Nurgle summoned a rain of pus and filth to drown/immobilize the nids. The nids just kept running and drowning themselves in rivers of pus, and the nurgle forces were celebrating their victory, when suddenly carnifexes charged the nurgle forces, using the drowned nids as a bridge. Tyranid psyker organisms are extremely powerful. Three maleceptors overwhelmed Mephiston (granted that maleceptors are stupid powerful, even by nid standards), who just barely escaped with his life. The trade-off is that the way they handle the warp is not controlled, so they can just randomly explode. This happens with the zoanthropes, but not with the maleceptor or neurotyrant iirc. Spoilers for the new leviathan novel A single neurotyrant was able to co-ordinate a hive fleet across the entire planet they were on, suppress all the psykers on the planet, including a space marine psyker, who had to help other psykers not die, selectively cause an individual to have a dream that would cause him to lead an army into an ambush all at the same time. Dante also was able to look into the hive mind, because of course he was. He felt pity for the nids, as the hunger they felt was far worse than the black rage he felt.
@@codysing1223 Wow GW aint the storyteller , you must be new here. You talk of inevitability well let me tell you something inevitable: Leviathan will lose. No one can win in 40k, cause that means end of the franchise , end of business for GW. They tried it with AoS and now they are bringing back Old World again. GW dictates how things proceed , BL just makes it interesting. So in a few months or more , Leviathan will lose and this will be another Tyranic war that happened and back to business as usual because the war must go on , the business must continue and GW must be making more money for 40k to endure. Such is the order of things and no side , Imperium , Chaos , Orks or Tyranids can tip that balance.
Everyoine: "One shudders to imagine what inhuman thoughts lie behind that mask... what dreams of chronic and sustained cruelty?" Tyranid Hive Mind: "...And I'm hungry like the wolf."
This is my Tau bias but the biggest tragedy of the Tyranids is that the Galaxy CAN defeat the Tyranids… If everyone worked together. Which is never happening…..
That isn't T'au bias, that's just objective fact. The Silent King and Commander Dante along with a regiment of Blood Angels defended a Hive World from the Tyranids together once. The Silent King made sure the battle was ensured as a Blood Angel victory before withdrawing all his troops and retreating to go take on other tasks. The only way to halt the Tyranid threat is to stop the constant wars between the three or four major contenders of the civilized galaxy and agree to point their weapons towards the thing that is going to consume and destroy the galaxy before the Imperium can reunify it, before the Aeldari can free themselves from Slaanesh's clutches, before the Necrons can retake the galaxy, and before the T'au can create a world without lawyers. Everyone else is either not gonna care or be too busy. Chaos? Fuck right off on killing those Tyranids, the Imperium must burn! Drukhari? "Oh shit, Tyranids? NEW TORTURE PETS!" Leagues of Votann? Wait it out, let them kill the planet, then take the lifeless waste and mine it to a second death. Finally, for the Orks, Octarius. Just look at Octarius and TELL me that letting the Orks participate in a Waaagh against the bugs is a good idea. If you organize those four factions against the bugs and allow the Imperium to handle the problem it has with Chaos when the need arises? The Tyranids will be halted and held back. Hell, remove the Imperium from this and let them suffer without help, they are managing somehow already, so they can just be bait if truly needed.
Honestly, they could hold them off with just 3, if they all play their cards right and things go well. If the Necrons, Orks and Tau cooperate fully and don't have things distracting them, they can eventually build up to a level where they can stalemate and maybe push back the Tyranids. The Necrons would need to reunify under the Silent King and form the bulwark against the swarms, using their weaponry to deny any biomass or resources to the Nids no matter how many losses they take (and likely bolster their forces with biotransferred mortal species like humans and/or AI-run units), giving the Tau enough breathing room to grow and mobilize and innovate to a powerful enough level (a few millennia should be more than enough I bet) to pull their weight in the alliance. As for the Orks, they need to be allowed to fight and grow to a level that they can get close to Krork (or at the very least high-Beast-level) so they can properly snowball and put in the work as well. Between the three of them, the Tyranids would eventually decide that this galaxy is costling them more effort than it's worth and fuck off to the nearest uneaten galaxy and maybe in a few hundred millennia they'll come back stronger than ever to test their new powers against whatever has become of the galaxy.
@@codysing1223 I find that hard to believe that between all the War in Heaven tech the Aeldar and Necrons have probably stashed away and maybe some super weapons humanity has stashed away in the imperial palace that the sentient races dont have means to defend the galaxy to at the very least a stand still if the races all worked together.
@@Awesomotron2k There can only be so many Nids in any physical space at once, and whatever happens they are still made up of biomass. Biomass is made up of matter, and a fully functional Necron-Tau (with a few millennia to grow tech-wise for the latter) alliance would be able to make enough disintegrators and antimatter to destroy the Tyranids that are in an area as fast as new Tyranids can come in to fill the gaps.
One day, every human in the galaxy gets a psychic message at the same time. "Hello, Tyranid hivemind here. There seems to have been a mistake. We were following a very similar race to yours in order to destroy them for their crimes against us, and thought they had come to this galaxy. After a quick warp chat with your Emperor, we were finally able to recognize this error. Please accept our most sincere apologies for this drastic mistake on our part, we shall be leaving this galaxy immediately. Have a nice day."
TTS Emperor: "See, was that so f*cking difficult? Just pick up the telepathic phone and talk like a regular man would. Taking notes, Magnus? Because it'd be a shame if a smart son of mine broke something important that I was.. Magnus: "AGAIN, FATHER! YOU NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A WEBWAY!"
When you think about it, the chaos god's are in someway understandable to us the reader. We can comprehend them, we have no way of comprehending the Tyranid hive mind.
That's because the chaos gods are conceptual, but the filter of those concepts is the human mind. The Tyrannids would have the same, but their origin is extragalactic and utterly alien to us. We MIGHT have the ability to perceive it, but it is so alien we cannot grasp it all, only one side of the prism.
@@skybuilder7753 Yeah, the chaos gods are basically just super horrific, distorted mirrors of all the horrible things of the human mind. You can look at each god and see that, despite how awful they are, they are a reflection of ourselves, and that makes it so much worse. Then you look at the Tyranids, which are something so alien, ravenous, and incomprehensibly vast that the only thing people can sort of comprehend about them is how hateful and hungry they are, and that’s awful in a different way. Chaos is scary because everywhere you look, you can see some facet of humanity. Tyranids are scary because the ONLY thing that’s understandable about them is the horribly human-like malice and hunger that drives them, and even then, only two people found that out for sure by peeking into the Hive Mind for a few seconds, everyone else had their brain fried by the vastness of that entity. Man, Warhammer is fucking cool, I love this shit :)
In the new Leviathan novel, the atmosphere was literally terraformed to digest organic matter. If you went outside without a full coverage bio-suit, you flesh would start to slough off within a few minutes
We stopped the Reapers from Mass-Relaying into the Citadel and taking it in ME1. That's why they had to do the slow crawl from dark space jnto the system.
Yeah if I recall correctly the Protheans did something to either the Keepers or the Citadel itself to essentially prevent the Reapers from sending the Shut off code to the Citadel, so Sovereign, the Reaper designated to remain behind in the galaxy in case anything goes wrong had to physically travel to the Citadel to shut down the relay system and allow the other Reapers to warp in, but we managed to stop Sovereign before he could succeed so the Reapers had to take the long way. (Which is still pretty quick). As for Mass Effect 3.. apparently they were rewriting large swathes of the game over the course of an incredibly short development, honestly it’s a miracle that Mass Effect 3 was as good as it was.
I think the Reapers did try to retake the Citadel in 3 by having Cerberus do it. The illusive man was indoctrinated, so their attempt to help Udina take over the council and send forces to earth was probably just an excuse to assassinate the Council on the reapers behalf.
@@InquisitorThomasME3 shit the bed and annihilated the whole series retroactively. Remember they "patched" in a better outro? Tali‘s face reveal? Choose ending blue, green or red? Insanely bad…
@@InquisitorThomas Yeah, but I also recall the " We're gonna throw a fit and rewrite the actually good ending because some douche leaked it. " - that Bioware did. I mean, who cares if the leak was correct? The point is " How do we get there? " and experiencing the game. If the story has a nice little bow on it, good. But instead we got " Pick your favorite primary color " lol. I still love ME3 for the gameplay and stories leading up to it. Also love CAT-6 and the Citadel add-on.
@@ashardalondragnipurake It states that, as a somewhat autonomous organism designed to work outside of synaptic range, it can think and plan, and even feel, but it's still incapable of acting in a way that isn't in accordance with the hive mind.
Is that the one where it describes the fact there this is only one Lictor? All a clone of the perfect form achieved an unimaginable amount of time in the past
I’m fairly certain that there’s something in the lore that states the silent king saw either the hive mind or the full extent of the tyranids and that’s why he returned. Also in one of the space wolf books one of the wolf lords talks about hunting bio ships like one would talk about hunting whales
Oh man, first Papa Nurgle gives the Necrons a disease, and now he makes a planet so rotten that even the Tyranids can’t eat it! Holy shit, Nurgle! Literally!
Daemons are what humans have nightmares about. The Tyranid Hive Mind is what *Daemons* have nightmares about. An entity with no joy or pride to appreciate Khorne's gifts; a being of such pure, absolute hunger that it goes beyond even Slaanesh's excesses; constantly evolving and moving forward, yet never defined by more than this singular, unchanging purpose, making it so neither Tzeentch's changing ways or Nurgle's stagnation can find any purchase within it. It is the Devourer of Worlds, and even the Silent King himself, the Breaker of Gods, vanquisher of the Old Ones, shuddered upon witnessing its infinite multitudes. What hope does the Galaxy have against such horror? None.
@@Usinghealer099 Terribly sorry sir, I misread "Malice" as "Malal". In that case, my actual answer is: Malice is a Chaos God in the same way that Jim Jones' Peoples Temple was technically a Church. The idea that the actual Chaos Gods are scared of him is laughable.
There is a very old piece of art that shows the galaxy and where Necron empires used to be. It also shows where each C'tan was located. And on the far right/east side of the galaxy, there is an icon of a C'tan outside the galaxy. The first Tyranids came from the right/east of the galaxy and the C'tan marked in the same region.
Actually that is still canon, as it mentioned that as they arrived, the Nids were actively going around and avoiding something outside the galaxy. Its actually speculated that is an unsharded Ctan, thus why the nids avoided it
Pretty sure that’s the Outsider or some other C’tan that started trying to kill itself and grew to planet size. Imagine the nightmare fuel of a being of complete agony and hatred doing the equivalent of a dog chasing its tail for millions of years.
Regarding the Mass Effect point earlier: in Mass Effect 1 when you meet Vigil it’s explained that a handful of Prothean scientists were successfully cryogenic preserved long enough to avoid the Reapers. When they realized that they didn’t have enough survivors to continue the Prothean species they managed to discover the signal that causes the Keepers to activate the Citadel Relay and warp in the Reaper and somehow altered the signal, so when Sovereign activated the Signal to get the Keepers to turn on the relay they ignored it, so Sovereign had to go to Plan B and turn on the Relay himself, and once Sovereign was destroyed the Reaper had to switch to Plan C since they’ve lost the element of surprise.
27:00 "and the nids that did drink it died" No, no, it didn't die from drinking it. It tasted *so bad* that the *other* nids turned around and shot the one that drank it.
They actually shot the ship that drank it to avoid contagion. But now I headcanon the rest of the bioships being linked to that one with the Hive Mind and forced to taste the disgusting goo, so they shoot the ship out of irritation.
@@geoffreyprecht2410 Let's be honest, the hive mind probably wanted to just get rid of the biomass that knows and remembers the taste. Imagine being intelligent being (the hive mind), and being forced to remember how it feels to have Nurgle shit in your mouth. I would destroy the part of my brain that remembers it, if I could.
My favorite Nid related quote was something along the line of "the Tyraids, the fact that mankind dares to try to give The Great Devourer a name betrays their hubris" and then went on to describe the horrors of the swarm and all that.
One of my favorite visualizations of the overwhelming and horrifying scale of the Tyranids was in that Genestealer special for If the Emperor Had a Text to Speech Device where the detective is given a vision of the Tyranids encroaching on the galaxy and the camera keeps panning out... and just when you think you're getting near the end of it, it gets exponentially larger.
On the Mass Effect thing at the beginning, the Prothean remnants locked out the Citadel's relay controller to force the Reapers to fly through dark space when starting their next cycle Whole point of ME1 was Sovereign trying to gain physical access to the Citadel to override the lock and allow the whole Reaper fleet to fast-travel in.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC Actually he was talking about both 1 and 3. In 1, it's explained. However, in 3, his confusion is still valid as its legitimate plot hole.
@@SCP-1669 Well, "Alpha" Relay, and it didn't have access to the whole network. Just the Citadel and seventeen different relays. Still enough to achieve the Reapers' goals.
For anybody who would like a story told from the Tyranid POV; Baldermort has an excellent piece of narration told from the perspective of a Tervigon in his lore vid on the beasty.
Something I think about whenever hearing about Tyranids. In the natural world, and I mean truly natural world, animals kill each other in such gorey and awful ways we typically don't see that. Coyotes will grab a rabbit by the leg and have another pull it apart while it still cries out. Praying mantis will rip limbs off wasps until they stop squirming, and won't eat the head first typically, usually the middle to make each part easier. Spiders disolve the insides of other bugs and leave behind husked corpses in webs. Other creatures leave parasitic eggs inside still living ones. Animals do not care about other animals when they are driven by the instinct to survive. Applying that to tyranids make them feel genuinely real and it is a feeling of dread that a human being eaten by a mantis is possible.
You forgot to mention how when Baal was attacked that I think either Dante or Mephiston looked into the hoarde and saw a nid that stood out because it just stood there staring at him with hate. Also that book gives a 1st person pov of tyranids
There are books, short stories, with nid pov but they are rather rare. Also, it doesnt hate us, it hates Tigurius specifically because he connected to it and lived.
@@chrisdufresne9359think of it like this Imagine a basement redditor who hates any form of human interaction irl Now imagine you spiritually connect to his mind, the level of revulsion and hatred that would come from that interaction would be palpable.
Fun fact, the tyranids did end up fighting the daemons and (technically winning) in one the older nid codexes. What i found absolutely hilarious was the one sided conversation between one of the greater daemons and the hive mind as the daemon basically said. "How dare you come here and eat OUR playthings. if you think we are going let you run rampant you have another thing coming." (Im paraphrasing obviously) before the daemon was summarily executed by nid acid artillery. This implies that daemons can contact the hivemind and do just to yell at it. this also implies the chaos gods can also do that. do with this information what you will
Mephiston and Tigururururius are the only two Space Marines to have seen it, there was also an Eldar who got a brief look at it, and it's actually my favorite description of The Hive Mind. "Beyond the shield, she saw the Great Dragon's true form. Not the hideous intrusions into the mortal realm that swam the black star sea, nor as a Farseer might see it, as a great and braided cable of malicious fate dominating all the skein. The first was merely a part of the whole, the second psychic abstraction. What Iyanna instead saw was the reality of its soul. It was a great shadow when seen from afar, a wave of dread and psychic blindness that preceded the hive feet's arrival. But the greatest shadows are cast by the brightest lights, and seen closely, the soul of the hive mind shone brighter than any sun. She was so close now that she perceived the ridged topography of its mind, larger than star systems, an entity bigger than a god. It contemplated thoughts as large as continents, and spun plans more complex than worlds. It dreamed dreams that could not be fathomed. She felt small and afraid before it, but she did not let her fear cow her defiance. Against this vista flickered the souls of the Eldar, their jewel-brightness dimmed by the incomparable glare of the Great Dragon. And this was but a tendril of the creature. The bulk of it stretched away, coils wrapped tight about the higher dimensions, joining in the distance to others, and then others again, until at a great confuence of the parts sat the terrible truth of the whole. She stared at its brilliance. Unlike her passionless dead warriors, who felt naught but the echoes of wrath at the sight, she was fascinated by the beauty on display. She thought, if only such a thing could be tamed, it would drive out She Who Thirsts forever. If only its hunger was for things other than the meat and blood of worlds"
Bauldermort had a great line for the hive mind. Something along the lines of if it could communicate with us what would it say? You are food. For us to live you must die. And that is all.
The funny thing for me regarding the Norns is the name comes from Norse mythology, the three Norns, urd, skuld and verdandy. Who are probably better known to pop culture as the goddesses from Oh My Goddess
It saddens me that for the last 2 big tyrannic wars its just been Hive Fleet Leviathan. It's obviously still a great name but I really enjoyed the differently named Hive Fleets for each war.
Agreed. I'm also just tired of seeing the same purple and white colour scheme representing Tyranids. Just like I'm sure some space marine players get sick of seeing blue.
Well it isn’t a new problem for GW. The only Marines to exist in their media (most books, videos, etc.) are mostly Ultra Marines, Eldar is Ulthwe, sisters is Martyred Lady, guard is Cadia (even after they no longer have a planet), etc. For nids none other but Leviathan exist. It’s been a aggravating issue for some time.
Funny thing is they already told us the story of the station in a previous Tyranid episode. But they went into full detail and having Bricky narrate it was wonderfully horrifying the 1st time they exposed us to the station swallowed whole.
God I love the unique path of cosmic horror that they took with the Tyranids. Usually cosmic horror is all about something that you don't understand unstoppably marching through you and steamrolling you in a way you can't fight. With the tyranids, you know exactly what they're doing, you know exactly what they want, and you know exactly how they're doing it. You just never had a chance because there's so many of them.
When the hive mind send emisseries to « gather ressources » in lore it’s always something capital to the ennemies and also helps take out a lot of troops from the front to try and stop it and most of the time deny it by destroying his prize or dies trying
33:24 Hive Mind: "In all my years of hunting, slaughter, eating, it was never personal. But what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying planet? I'm going to enjoy it very very much."
Well... Congrats! That story of a spacestation/listening-post getting devoured by Tyranid hiveship got me flashbacks of "James Bond - You only live twice", and now the music what played everytime a spacepod got snatched by unidentified pod is playing nonstop in my head. Thanks!
9:29 The Reapers' plan for each cycle is a quick and decisive decapitation strike to take out the galactic leaders on the Citadel, because they have codes to control the Keepers who run the station. One of these codes would turn the Citadel into a mass relay from which the Reapers would enter the galaxy, immediately kill its leaders and gain access to all of the most important data the galaxy had to offer. The Protheans were able to render the Keepers incapable of receiving this signal, which means the direct decapitation isn't possible anymore. They also do not have the vast troves of knowledge and data that the Citadel archives would have provided. You may ask, then, why the Reapers didn't immediately beeline for the Citadel and take it by force. Well, Sovereign tried and failed, but more to the point, the Reapers' strategy relies heavily on a disorganized and unprepared enemy. By attacking the homeworlds of the various Council races they drew resources away from a singular unified front, splitting the enemy. They also had to make their way out of dark space and to the relay network. (Also the Citadel is a veritable fortress in its own right, which is one reason why they needed the Keeper signal and why they were so sure the galactic races would use it as their capital in every cycle)
@@dinosuarman13 See I would LIKE to say that there's nothing they really could've done to prepare for the Reapers (cuz there isn't) but fuck the council with their "ah yes Reapers" bullshit
You know what's crazy to me is that inquisitors are told things that would make the average person lose there minds and even some of them after knowing these things cant take it and consider ending it now quick while they still have the chance to is scary as hell to me.
The fact that I didn’t even realize the psychic might of the Tyranids is so great never made me think that they COULD communicate, but why would they we are all food in their eyes is insane, EVEN with advanced technology of Xenos or the unpredictable Demons is not enough to to stop this horror of its meal
Nurgle was able to convert a group of Genestealers that got stranded in his garden. The Genestealer cult turned their backs on the Hivemind and praised Nurgle as their new true deity.
9:30 Okay, the entire plot of the first game occurs because the Reapers *cannot* shut down the Citadel from outside the Galaxy like they always did, due to the final actions on the Protheans the last time the Reapers came, and so one of them had to physically go to the Citadel and shut off the mass relays from there, and open up the Citadel to the rest of the Reapers. The reason they went after Earth is largely cause of Shepard, cause the plot of the 2nd game is that the Collectors had been taking entire human colonies to make a Human Reaper. The Reapers took an interest in Humanity, which is kinda the last race you EVER want the attention of.
In older lore there were some Tyranids that got sucked into a warp rift, and then got corrupted by chaos, primarily by Khorne and Nurgle I think, and then unleashed onto a world another hive fleet was in the process of being devoured.
This is more of a personal opinion but I actually like the idea of each individual norn queen being like a subset or shard of the full hivemind, resulting in each queen being still connected but slightly independent. Besides the idea of norn queens viciously debating each other psychically on who's space bugs are better I feel like it gives a good explanation on why different hivefleets use different tactics or fight each other when they meet despite still being run by the exact same thing basically.
Kinda like a person who’s had their corpus callosum severed (a brain surgery that severs the left and right hemispheres of the brain, usually used to help people with severe and near-constant seizures). For a long time after surgery, it’s like the left and right halves of the brain are slightly different people, until the patient learns to manually make them work together. I remember reading about a woman who had this surgery, and one half of the brain wanted to wear a particular shirt, but the other half didn’t, and she spent a considerable amount of time taking the shirt out of her closet and putting back because the two halves were “arguing” about what to wear that day. Or, like an octopus that has one main brain, but also a brain at the base of each of its arms. Now, apply that concept to all of the Norn Queens. They’re all working towards the same goal and are in constant communion with each other, but they can still have different opinions because they are able to maintain separate identities within the same mind.
I know not which will haunt my dreams tonight: The sheer terror of that auger station's fate, or the delightful tonal dissonance of Farmer Hat Norn Emissary. I pray for the latter, but my mind isn't always that kind.
When they were talking about the Hivemind not bothering to comune with us the immortal words of Goobus Doobus Rang True. "You name your food?" ( Louie from the Pikman animation.)
Read the devastation of Baal. It has so much Tyranid lore. For example you get the pov of a Lichtor for a decent chunk of the book, you learn what the hive mind is, you learn the hive mind doesn’t just feel hunger, you learn that the Tyranid forms you see are multiple different Tyranids living together symbiotically also the Lichtor is substantially more terrifying then you think it is.
9:00 Bricky, they already explained all the way back in ME1 why the Reapers didn't use the Citadel to shut down the relays. They couldn't, because the last group of surviving Protheans managed to sneak onto the Citadel and sabotage both the systems that allowed the Citadel to shut down the relays, as well as the Keepers who were responsible for maintaining the Citadel's systems, in order to give the next cycle a fighting chance. Hell, ME1's last level is basically Sovereign trying to get to the Citadel and reboot the system manually, but he fails and gets blown up for the trouble. After that, the rest of the Reapers just said "Fuck it." and decided to conquer the galaxy the hard way.
The tyranids are as close to a lovecraftian creature that exists in 40k. You could interpret the hivemind's hatred as directed at that person, at humans, or maybe galactic life itself. If the hivemind is a creature beyond complete understanding, perhaps that anger is what a small thing sees when looking at the annoyance of a much greater being. That all this resistance against the tyranids amounts to nothing more, to the hivemind, than an upset stomach, a passing annoyance but nothing more.
So fun thing, there was a tyranid conversation once, and so depending on how you view it you could see this as with the hive mind itself. Now this is waaay back, way back when the first boardings of hive ships took place so if you want want to accept this as still canon then feel free. Personally I think it's great so I still consider it legit. Some space marine scouts came across a zoat, yes this is way back when it wasn't the norn who bore the title emmissary, and in a bit of the Hive Fleet being actually cunning in how it managed it's available biomass/energy, it assesssed and talked to them, basically stalling them for more actual combat forms to wake from the long void slumber. Best bit though is it threw shade against the Lamenters calling them the Lambs. Yes, even the Hive Mind finds some amusement in how unfortunate the poor buggers that make up that chapter are.
That part were you are talking about the hive mind having the ability to talk so reminds of “The Beast” from the homeworld series….when the Taidan betray it looks at them and says “Then you are what you’ve had always been…..FOOD” then the main ship starts flying up to each Taidan ship a littersly starts eating them Unicron style
9:00 Just want to say, the Reapers in Mass Effect didn't use the Citadel to teleport in and turn all Relays off is because the Protheans figured it out and turned it of to hinder the Reapers in our cycle. It's why Sovereign invades the Citadel in ME1 to turn it back on so the rest of the Reapers could show up in ME1 instead of ME3. *Having said that:* why they didn't turn the Relays off once they got the Citadel in ME3 to hinder the giant Earth Liberation Fleet and Crucible... is still a valid question and criticism.
I’m kinda surprised the station’s commander didn’t just initiate self-destruct at that point, since a point-blank starship plasma generator detonation from the inside would probably rip the bioship in half, or at least seriously wound it
DK heard one guy feel guilty and depressed about a moment of cowardice amidst a star systems end and held on to that mans inability to keep his family alive and suffering the Tyranid Hell along with him as a justified ticket for their inevitable death being as bad and painful as it possibly can be... He'd make a mighty fine Imperial
But then in theory you need a soul to USE the Warp, which various Tyranid Psykers do! So either their souls are "weak" and unpalatable to ther warp, yet still capable of POWERFUL psyking, or they don't have any souls, yet are still able to psyk using some other method of their own. I favour the latter theory. Psyking is always cerebrally-based, but no other faction has the ENORMOUS brains Tyranid Psykers do, so it's likely that they need it for some reason.
@@vegladexit's actually that they all share one soul. The Hive Mind is the not just the combined intelligence but also the singular soul of the entire Tyranid race in the whole universe. They are one being with many bodies
Bricky, DK, so here's the Mass Effect lore you forgot: The Protheans changed the Keepers on the Citadel so they no longer react to the Reaper signal sent by Sovereign, hence they needed to use the Batarian Relays since they couldn't turn on the Citadel's relay from dark space. Also, they took the Citadel off-screen and then transported it to Earth so they can start making the human-based Reaper easier by using the sky-hook teleporter in London to transport living and dead humans to the Citadel for processing. Then the united forces of the Galaxy attacked, yaddy-yadda you know the rest... You're welcome!
There's an interesting bit in the Kasrkin book where a kroot shaper eats the finger of a necron. it almost kills him because the necrodermis eats him from inside. I think he's only saved by a crazy necron overlord. It would be very interesting to see what would happen to tyrannids who eat necrons.
I’d love to see an episode on hive fleet tiamet. It takes the horror and mystery of the hive mind even further, for instance they do not eat cultists. Instead they somehow turn them into psykers and arm them with pirated ships. Not to mention it would be nice to hear about classic zoat lore, where they were supposedly diplomats for the hive mind (and gave up on diplomacy because of human aggression).
My best guess at why Tyranids sometimes go through warp uneffected by demons is because they simply have no reason to bother each other. Tyranids don't have their own minds so they don't really fuel demons even if they die suffer or anything,and demons do not have biomass to absorb. So they just might look at each other and politely pass by since the other side is of no interest. Alternatively shadow in the warp might act as a suitable substitute for gellar fields
In darkness in the blood, the blood angels were passing through the warp when daemons manifested on their ship, as they continued sailing they came across a “wall of shadow” it was the Hive Mind and its shadow. The book said that the fury of the Hive Mind was so powerful it calmed the warp, and destroyed the daemons.
10 episodes officially without talking about raven Guard or Thousand sons, i can excuse this episode though since they're on a tyranid streak and i'm willing to be patient.
23:52 Kinda random. I remember there's apparently a lord or something in WH Fantasy that had a Bloodthirsters head mounted on his wall . . . which eventually it came back through
I like them better as a natural phenomenon. With everything in the galaxy being bathed in supernatural beings and their lackies the tyranids being a naturally evolved hyper-apex predator is one of the only mildly interesting things about them.
Or as a way to simply store the genetic code of the galaxy. Think about it, Tyranids store the genes of EVERYTHING they eat. Uncountable trillions of species, all in one convenient location, ready for the Old Ones to un-spool and resettle on terraformed worlds.
If the hivemind is empowered through a distributed network of individuals, chances are that the focussing of the psychic presence of the hivemind or even the collective psychic presence of a hivefleet would be impossible
That moment when you talk about "the hive mind could communicate with us, it just does not want to" reminds me of Lovecraft discussing the Elder Gods in relation to man in the scale similar to a man to an ant. It knows that we are insignificant and does not care.
I love how every faction has an "if", except the nids, like: "If humanity wasn't a literal cult lead by imbeciles they could conquer the Galaxy", "If the orcs weren't stupid they could take over the Galaxy", "If chaos truly united they could destroy the Galaxy", and etc, Meanwhile the the nids are _when_ they devour the Galaxy, their "if" is at best: "if some of the other races don't join forces, the tyranids will devour the Galaxy"
I pretend that Chaos hates Nids. Khorn: No honor or martial skill. They feel no glory or shame. Nurgle: They refuse all of Nurgles gifts. They do not have cycles of rebirth: they just eat a planet and leave. They are stagnant in the worst way. They are not of this galaxy and are thus "unnatural" Tzeentch: They are pure instinct so they can't really 'think' or trick other, or be tricked. They do not pursue knowledge, they just let evolution do everything for them. Slanesh: As non sentients they can't "feel" or seek pleasure, pain, or hold secrets. And they can't f*ck.
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“There may be more hive fleets than worlds”
That bolt pistol looking real tempting RN
"Perfect! Report to your local Guard recruit area and we'll give you a lot more than just a bolt gun for killing 'Nids! Remember, son, why kill yourself when there's a galaxy of monsters that could do you that for you?"
"They're taking our water. They're taking our air."
Wow, those nids are nasty.
"What nids? I was talking about the AdMech setting up new manufactoria."
“Damn you Nestle!”
"They're eating the dogs, they are eating the cats"
Wow, those nids are nasty, the nastiest nids some would say.
37:23 Correction: Tyranids CAN eat metals and they actually do that a lot with each devoured world, they use said metals to harden their carapaces. That said, the problem with fighting Necrons isn't the fact that they're Metal, it's the fact that they're both ONLY metal and capable of disintegrating biomass. It would be like a human trying to survive only on salt and actively losing weight for every pound of salt eaten.
Nids fighting Chaos technically isn't a loss of biomass, it's a Net 0, because they can repurpose their dead bodies, but Nids fighting Necrons is a Net loss in every case.
Also, necrodermis turns into deadly nanoscarabs when consumed, as the Kroot learned the hard way.
This comment. But one note is that sometimes chaos corruption make biomass un-usable.
A vast amount of the biomass would have to be used as energy to move and power the hive fleet. Calories burned to simply do everything from shoot a weapon, to make each spore, to moving the entire thing to the next planet. Keep in mind that all the biomass on earth is actually fueled from the power of the sun constantly blasting down on it. Every conquest has to get that fuel back and the surplus used to get larger if possible. SO fighting chaos is a very large net negative. Necrons even larger as a FULLY awakened tomb world has already scourged the planet of life as if the Hive had already been there.
Even if a Necron falls, their body just gets teleported away to be repaired. The only way to stop them coming back is to completely destroy the tomb world and all its infrastructure. All while the Necrons are fighting you - and disintegrating your biomass to atoms - every step of the way.
Hive Fleet Kronos operates at a loss. So much so that Leviathan has to leave partially eaten planets behind for them to recover.
Some fun tyranid tidbits
The Swarmlord got challenged to a 1v1 by the avatar of Khaine (jobbers 1v1, lets go!). The Swarmlord accepted, and then proceeded to throw 12 carnifexes at the avatar, which then died.
When the tyranids fought Nurgle forces, Nurgle summoned a rain of pus and filth to drown/immobilize the nids. The nids just kept running and drowning themselves in rivers of pus, and the nurgle forces were celebrating their victory, when suddenly carnifexes charged the nurgle forces, using the drowned nids as a bridge.
Tyranid psyker organisms are extremely powerful. Three maleceptors overwhelmed Mephiston (granted that maleceptors are stupid powerful, even by nid standards), who just barely escaped with his life. The trade-off is that the way they handle the warp is not controlled, so they can just randomly explode. This happens with the zoanthropes, but not with the maleceptor or neurotyrant iirc.
Spoilers for the new leviathan novel
A single neurotyrant was able to co-ordinate a hive fleet across the entire planet they were on, suppress all the psykers on the planet, including a space marine psyker, who had to help other psykers not die, selectively cause an individual to have a dream that would cause him to lead an army into an ambush all at the same time.
Dante also was able to look into the hive mind, because of course he was. He felt pity for the nids, as the hunger they felt was far worse than the black rage he felt.
The thing Dante compared the hunger to was the red thirst, no the black rage
Honestly I think the only chance to stop Leviathan at this point would be an alliance between Bobby G and the Silent King.
Justifying Matt Ward
@@codysing1223Oh bugger off , Nids arent interesting , GW will just throw a book in a year or two where Leviathan gets defeated.
@@codysing1223 Wow GW aint the storyteller , you must be new here. You talk of inevitability well let me tell you something inevitable: Leviathan will lose. No one can win in 40k, cause that means end of the franchise , end of business for GW. They tried it with AoS and now they are bringing back Old World again. GW dictates how things proceed , BL just makes it interesting. So in a few months or more , Leviathan will lose and this will be another Tyranic war that happened and back to business as usual because the war must go on , the business must continue and GW must be making more money for 40k to endure. Such is the order of things and no side , Imperium , Chaos , Orks or Tyranids can tip that balance.
Yeah I feel like necrons are being set up to be the anti-heroes of the galaxy right now
then the Tau showed up. B)@@cncmne7404
Everyoine: "One shudders to imagine what inhuman thoughts lie behind that mask... what dreams of chronic and sustained cruelty?"
Tyranid Hive Mind: "...And I'm hungry like the wolf."
Tyranid Hive Mind: "Baby shark do do do dooo"
@@beastalchemistVA"feed me seymore, feed me all night long"
"Do you believe in magic"
@@SharksvsnidsFood, glorious food!
We're anxious to try it.
Three banquets a day!
Our favourite diet!
Tiimee to worry noooww XD love it
I can't wait for DK to be surprised that tyranids are in fact not just mindless bugs.. for the 8th time.
Can we get a compilation of everytime he relearns it?
Goldfish memory
He's just a little boy with a little memory.
@@CptBroxigar He's just a lil' guy
This is my Tau bias but the biggest tragedy of the Tyranids is that the Galaxy CAN defeat the Tyranids… If everyone worked together. Which is never happening…..
That isn't T'au bias, that's just objective fact. The Silent King and Commander Dante along with a regiment of Blood Angels defended a Hive World from the Tyranids together once. The Silent King made sure the battle was ensured as a Blood Angel victory before withdrawing all his troops and retreating to go take on other tasks.
The only way to halt the Tyranid threat is to stop the constant wars between the three or four major contenders of the civilized galaxy and agree to point their weapons towards the thing that is going to consume and destroy the galaxy before the Imperium can reunify it, before the Aeldari can free themselves from Slaanesh's clutches, before the Necrons can retake the galaxy, and before the T'au can create a world without lawyers.
Everyone else is either not gonna care or be too busy. Chaos? Fuck right off on killing those Tyranids, the Imperium must burn! Drukhari? "Oh shit, Tyranids? NEW TORTURE PETS!" Leagues of Votann? Wait it out, let them kill the planet, then take the lifeless waste and mine it to a second death. Finally, for the Orks, Octarius. Just look at Octarius and TELL me that letting the Orks participate in a Waaagh against the bugs is a good idea.
If you organize those four factions against the bugs and allow the Imperium to handle the problem it has with Chaos when the need arises? The Tyranids will be halted and held back. Hell, remove the Imperium from this and let them suffer without help, they are managing somehow already, so they can just be bait if truly needed.
Honestly, they could hold them off with just 3, if they all play their cards right and things go well. If the Necrons, Orks and Tau cooperate fully and don't have things distracting them, they can eventually build up to a level where they can stalemate and maybe push back the Tyranids. The Necrons would need to reunify under the Silent King and form the bulwark against the swarms, using their weaponry to deny any biomass or resources to the Nids no matter how many losses they take (and likely bolster their forces with biotransferred mortal species like humans and/or AI-run units), giving the Tau enough breathing room to grow and mobilize and innovate to a powerful enough level (a few millennia should be more than enough I bet) to pull their weight in the alliance. As for the Orks, they need to be allowed to fight and grow to a level that they can get close to Krork (or at the very least high-Beast-level) so they can properly snowball and put in the work as well. Between the three of them, the Tyranids would eventually decide that this galaxy is costling them more effort than it's worth and fuck off to the nearest uneaten galaxy and maybe in a few hundred millennia they'll come back stronger than ever to test their new powers against whatever has become of the galaxy.
Nah, they can't. Too many bugs.
@@codysing1223 I find that hard to believe that between all the War in Heaven tech the Aeldar and Necrons have probably stashed away and maybe some super weapons humanity has stashed away in the imperial palace that the sentient races dont have means to defend the galaxy to at the very least a stand still if the races all worked together.
@@Awesomotron2k There can only be so many Nids in any physical space at once, and whatever happens they are still made up of biomass. Biomass is made up of matter, and a fully functional Necron-Tau (with a few millennia to grow tech-wise for the latter) alliance would be able to make enough disintegrators and antimatter to destroy the Tyranids that are in an area as fast as new Tyranids can come in to fill the gaps.
One day, every human in the galaxy gets a psychic message at the same time. "Hello, Tyranid hivemind here. There seems to have been a mistake. We were following a very similar race to yours in order to destroy them for their crimes against us, and thought they had come to this galaxy. After a quick warp chat with your Emperor, we were finally able to recognize this error. Please accept our most sincere apologies for this drastic mistake on our part, we shall be leaving this galaxy immediately. Have a nice day."
“So long and thanks for all the biomass”
"...we want to speak to HR. We have a complaint to file."
@@advait_official"we'd like to discuss your galaxy's extended warranty"
TTS Emperor: "See, was that so f*cking difficult? Just pick up the telepathic phone and talk like a regular man would. Taking notes, Magnus? Because it'd be a shame if a smart son of mine broke something important that I was..
Magnus: "AGAIN, FATHER! YOU NEVER SAID ANYTHING ABOUT A WEBWAY!"
The Tyranid hive mind is like a Lovecraftian deity, perhaps even more so than the Chaos gods themselves
When you think about it, the chaos god's are in someway understandable to us the reader. We can comprehend them, we have no way of comprehending the Tyranid hive mind.
That's because the chaos gods are conceptual, but the filter of those concepts is the human mind. The Tyrannids would have the same, but their origin is extragalactic and utterly alien to us. We MIGHT have the ability to perceive it, but it is so alien we cannot grasp it all, only one side of the prism.
@@skybuilder7753 Yeah, the chaos gods are basically just super horrific, distorted mirrors of all the horrible things of the human mind. You can look at each god and see that, despite how awful they are, they are a reflection of ourselves, and that makes it so much worse.
Then you look at the Tyranids, which are something so alien, ravenous, and incomprehensibly vast that the only thing people can sort of comprehend about them is how hateful and hungry they are, and that’s awful in a different way. Chaos is scary because everywhere you look, you can see some facet of humanity. Tyranids are scary because the ONLY thing that’s understandable about them is the horribly human-like malice and hunger that drives them, and even then, only two people found that out for sure by peeking into the Hive Mind for a few seconds, everyone else had their brain fried by the vastness of that entity.
Man, Warhammer is fucking cool, I love this shit :)
In the new Leviathan novel, the atmosphere was literally terraformed to digest organic matter. If you went outside without a full coverage bio-suit, you flesh would start to slough off within a few minutes
We stopped the Reapers from Mass-Relaying into the Citadel and taking it in ME1. That's why they had to do the slow crawl from dark space jnto the system.
Yeah if I recall correctly the Protheans did something to either the Keepers or the Citadel itself to essentially prevent the Reapers from sending the Shut off code to the Citadel, so Sovereign, the Reaper designated to remain behind in the galaxy in case anything goes wrong had to physically travel to the Citadel to shut down the relay system and allow the other Reapers to warp in, but we managed to stop Sovereign before he could succeed so the Reapers had to take the long way. (Which is still pretty quick). As for Mass Effect 3.. apparently they were rewriting large swathes of the game over the course of an incredibly short development, honestly it’s a miracle that Mass Effect 3 was as good as it was.
Correct sir
I think the Reapers did try to retake the Citadel in 3 by having Cerberus do it. The illusive man was indoctrinated, so their attempt to help Udina take over the council and send forces to earth was probably just an excuse to assassinate the Council on the reapers behalf.
@@InquisitorThomasME3 shit the bed and annihilated the whole series retroactively. Remember they "patched" in a better outro? Tali‘s face reveal? Choose ending blue, green or red? Insanely bad…
@@InquisitorThomas Yeah, but I also recall the " We're gonna throw a fit and rewrite the actually good ending because some douche leaked it. " - that Bioware did. I mean, who cares if the leak was correct? The point is " How do we get there? " and experiencing the game. If the story has a nice little bow on it, good. But instead we got " Pick your favorite primary color " lol.
I still love ME3 for the gameplay and stories leading up to it. Also love CAT-6 and the Citadel add-on.
During the Devastation of Baal novel, there are a couple of chapters told from the POV of a Lictor and they're very awesome.
There was also a Krieg short story that had a genestealer pseudo-POV.
devastation of baal gives the lictor emotions tho
wich it really shouldnt have
@@ashardalondragnipurake It states that, as a somewhat autonomous organism designed to work outside of synaptic range, it can think and plan, and even feel, but it's still incapable of acting in a way that isn't in accordance with the hive mind.
Is that the one where it describes the fact there this is only one Lictor? All a clone of the perfect form achieved an unimaginable amount of time in the past
@@matiasyannuzzi9655 autonomous thinking and planning yes, those make sense
but emotions are a huge waste of resources just to include a liability
New Bricky face looks like he's locked in Eternal torment but unable to show it due to some faustian bargain 😅
“It’s an expression of pain”
You say that like his real face doesn't already look like that
@@speetza6265 Mirror: You are correct.
I’m fairly certain that there’s something in the lore that states the silent king saw either the hive mind or the full extent of the tyranids and that’s why he returned. Also in one of the space wolf books one of the wolf lords talks about hunting bio ships like one would talk about hunting whales
The Kyn have turned them into resources
Oh no. Bugs! - Quiet Bone Daddy.
I now want a novel about bloodcrazed Brother Ahabius going on a self-destructive hunt for the elusive white bioship.
Now I want space whalers, singing void shanties
Oh man, first Papa Nurgle gives the Necrons a disease, and now he makes a planet so rotten that even the Tyranids can’t eat it! Holy shit, Nurgle! Literally!
They both did it, tyranids and death guard used toxins together.
@@TherealTenmanI they are made from living metal, at least it can rust.
@@TherealTenmanIWhat about th3 flayer virus
@@TherealTenmanIDaemonic rust/ scrap code
Hehe a virus that rusty metal:)
Daemons are what humans have nightmares about. The Tyranid Hive Mind is what *Daemons* have nightmares about.
An entity with no joy or pride to appreciate Khorne's gifts; a being of such pure, absolute hunger that it goes beyond even Slaanesh's excesses; constantly evolving and moving forward, yet never defined by more than this singular, unchanging purpose, making it so neither Tzeentch's changing ways or Nurgle's stagnation can find any purchase within it.
It is the Devourer of Worlds, and even the Silent King himself, the Breaker of Gods, vanquisher of the Old Ones, shuddered upon witnessing its infinite multitudes. What hope does the Galaxy have against such horror?
None.
May I enlighten you about our lord and savior the 5th chaos god malice?
@@Usinghealer099 In the immortal words of the great Manclesiarch Decius XXIII:
"He doesn't exist, shut up about it."
@@raphsere then my question is: why does the chaos space marine warband named "son's of malice" exist?
My favorite theory about the tyranids comming from the void between stars is that they are fleeing something, and that´s why they seem so desperate
@@Usinghealer099 Terribly sorry sir, I misread "Malice" as "Malal".
In that case, my actual answer is: Malice is a Chaos God in the same way that Jim Jones' Peoples Temple was technically a Church. The idea that the actual Chaos Gods are scared of him is laughable.
Nurgle looking at the Nids
"Oooh, my shopping list is going to need some updates."
"Looks closer"
"Wait a minute, it's all gluten-free!"
There is a very old piece of art that shows the galaxy and where Necron empires used to be. It also shows where each C'tan was located. And on the far right/east side of the galaxy, there is an icon of a C'tan outside the galaxy. The first Tyranids came from the right/east of the galaxy and the C'tan marked in the same region.
Actually that is still canon, as it mentioned that as they arrived, the Nids were actively going around and avoiding something outside the galaxy.
Its actually speculated that is an unsharded Ctan, thus why the nids avoided it
Oh fuck
@@gabe8763its probably the outsider
Pretty sure that’s the Outsider or some other C’tan that started trying to kill itself and grew to planet size.
Imagine the nightmare fuel of a being of complete agony and hatred doing the equivalent of a dog chasing its tail for millions of years.
Ah yes, the motto of 40k: *It can always get worse.*
Vox in the Void does a really good reading of that last excerpt, its truly horrific
33:26 i wonder if emperor TTS has a point. Maybe talking to the hive mind is just like talking to a hungry goat
The Hivemind is intelligent enough to coordinate Sector wide strategies, it's not just a hungry animal, but it also just doesn't care.
Regarding the Mass Effect point earlier: in Mass Effect 1 when you meet Vigil it’s explained that a handful of Prothean scientists were successfully cryogenic preserved long enough to avoid the Reapers. When they realized that they didn’t have enough survivors to continue the Prothean species they managed to discover the signal that causes the Keepers to activate the Citadel Relay and warp in the Reaper and somehow altered the signal, so when Sovereign activated the Signal to get the Keepers to turn on the relay they ignored it, so Sovereign had to go to Plan B and turn on the Relay himself, and once Sovereign was destroyed the Reaper had to switch to Plan C since they’ve lost the element of surprise.
27:00 "and the nids that did drink it died"
No, no, it didn't die from drinking it.
It tasted *so bad* that the *other* nids turned around and shot the one that drank it.
They actually shot the ship that drank it to avoid contagion.
But now I headcanon the rest of the bioships being linked to that one with the Hive Mind and forced to taste the disgusting goo, so they shoot the ship out of irritation.
@@geoffreyprecht2410 Let's be honest, the hive mind probably wanted to just get rid of the biomass that knows and remembers the taste.
Imagine being intelligent being (the hive mind), and being forced to remember how it feels to have Nurgle shit in your mouth.
I would destroy the part of my brain that remembers it, if I could.
My favorite Nid related quote was something along the line of "the Tyraids, the fact that mankind dares to try to give The Great Devourer a name betrays their hubris" and then went on to describe the horrors of the swarm and all that.
"the , the fact that mankind dares to try to give a name betrays their hubris"
This sounds like an interesting topic! Also, can you guys do an episode on the Imperial Palace? I think there would be a ton of ridiculous lore there.
Some crazy horrors in daddy emps basment
That's gotta be a rabbithole
Yes please
YES!
Oh hell yeah, talk about the Palace!
Well this was a spooky Adeptus Ridiculous video.
Tyranids are really good at making you suffer a existential crisis.
One of my favorite visualizations of the overwhelming and horrifying scale of the Tyranids was in that Genestealer special for If the Emperor Had a Text to Speech Device where the detective is given a vision of the Tyranids encroaching on the galaxy and the camera keeps panning out... and just when you think you're getting near the end of it, it gets exponentially larger.
oh god@@YouCaughtCzars
If the hive fleet is going towards the galactic core. I would love for this to make the Votann show their hand, and have to intervene.
Regarding the eating Necrons thing - the Kroot tried to do it once, and those who did were torn apart from the inside by scarab constructs.
On the Mass Effect thing at the beginning, the Prothean remnants locked out the Citadel's relay controller to force the Reapers to fly through dark space when starting their next cycle
Whole point of ME1 was Sovereign trying to gain physical access to the Citadel to override the lock and allow the whole Reaper fleet to fast-travel in.
He was talking about ME3 though, where the Reapers did take the Citadel, moved it to Earth, but didn't use it to shut down the relay system.
@@RipOffProductionsLLC Actually he was talking about both 1 and 3. In 1, it's explained. However, in 3, his confusion is still valid as its legitimate plot hole.
@@SCP-1669 Well, "Alpha" Relay, and it didn't have access to the whole network. Just the Citadel and seventeen different relays. Still enough to achieve the Reapers' goals.
For anybody who would like a story told from the Tyranid POV; Baldermort has an excellent piece of narration told from the perspective of a Tervigon in his lore vid on the beasty.
Something I think about whenever hearing about Tyranids.
In the natural world, and I mean truly natural world, animals kill each other in such gorey and awful ways we typically don't see that. Coyotes will grab a rabbit by the leg and have another pull it apart while it still cries out. Praying mantis will rip limbs off wasps until they stop squirming, and won't eat the head first typically, usually the middle to make each part easier. Spiders disolve the insides of other bugs and leave behind husked corpses in webs. Other creatures leave parasitic eggs inside still living ones.
Animals do not care about other animals when they are driven by the instinct to survive. Applying that to tyranids make them feel genuinely real and it is a feeling of dread that a human being eaten by a mantis is possible.
You forgot to mention how when Baal was attacked that I think either Dante or Mephiston looked into the hoarde and saw a nid that stood out because it just stood there staring at him with hate. Also that book gives a 1st person pov of tyranids
There are books, short stories, with nid pov but they are rather rare. Also, it doesnt hate us, it hates Tigurius specifically because he connected to it and lived.
The Hive hating us overall makes about as much sense as a cow hating grass or a human hating their lunch.
So it hates the one bug that keeps annoying it and is basically indifferent to the rest of the hive?
@@chrisdufresne9359think of it like this
Imagine a basement redditor who hates any form of human interaction irl
Now imagine you spiritually connect to his mind, the level of revulsion and hatred that would come from that interaction would be palpable.
"Why is the food talking to me!?"
@lordfarquad8913 That's a real eldritch horror *shudders*
"MA, MA THEY FOLLOWING ME MA"
"WHO?! WHOS FOLLOWING YOU?!"
"THE BUGS."
"THE BUGS!?"
Fun fact, the tyranids did end up fighting the daemons and (technically winning) in one the older nid codexes. What i found absolutely hilarious was the one sided conversation between one of the greater daemons and the hive mind as the daemon basically said. "How dare you come here and eat OUR playthings. if you think we are going let you run rampant you have another thing coming." (Im paraphrasing obviously) before the daemon was summarily executed by nid acid artillery. This implies that daemons can contact the hivemind and do just to yell at it. this also implies the chaos gods can also do that. do with this information what you will
Now i’m imagining all chaos gods fucking hate nids because the Hive mind constantly leaves them on read
Mephiston and Tigururururius are the only two Space Marines to have seen it, there was also an Eldar who got a brief look at it, and it's actually my favorite description of The Hive Mind.
"Beyond the shield, she saw the Great Dragon's true form. Not the hideous intrusions into the mortal realm that swam the black star sea, nor as a Farseer might see it, as a great and braided cable of malicious fate dominating all the skein. The first was merely a part of the whole, the second psychic abstraction. What Iyanna instead saw was the reality of its soul.
It was a great shadow when seen from afar, a wave of dread and psychic blindness that preceded the hive feet's arrival. But the greatest shadows are cast by the brightest lights, and seen closely, the soul of the hive mind shone brighter than any sun.
She was so close now that she perceived the ridged topography of its mind, larger than star systems, an entity bigger than a god. It contemplated thoughts as large as continents, and spun plans more complex than worlds. It dreamed dreams that could not be fathomed. She felt small and afraid before it, but she did not let her fear cow her defiance.
Against this vista flickered the souls of the Eldar, their jewel-brightness dimmed by the incomparable glare of the Great Dragon. And this was but a tendril of the creature. The bulk of it stretched away, coils wrapped tight about the higher dimensions, joining in the distance to others, and then others again, until at a great confuence of the parts sat the terrible truth of the whole.
She stared at its brilliance. Unlike her passionless dead warriors, who felt naught but the echoes of wrath at the sight, she was fascinated by the beauty on display. She thought, if only such a thing could be tamed, it would drive out She Who Thirsts forever. If only its hunger was for things other than the meat and blood of worlds"
Bauldermort had a great line for the hive mind. Something along the lines of if it could communicate with us what would it say? You are food. For us to live you must die. And that is all.
The funny thing for me regarding the Norns is the name comes from Norse mythology, the three Norns, urd, skuld and verdandy.
Who are probably better known to pop culture as the goddesses from Oh My Goddess
It saddens me that for the last 2 big tyrannic wars its just been Hive Fleet Leviathan. It's obviously still a great name but I really enjoyed the differently named Hive Fleets for each war.
Agreed. I'm also just tired of seeing the same purple and white colour scheme representing Tyranids.
Just like I'm sure some space marine players get sick of seeing blue.
Well it isn’t a new problem for GW. The only Marines to exist in their media (most books, videos, etc.) are mostly Ultra Marines, Eldar is Ulthwe, sisters is Martyred Lady, guard is Cadia (even after they no longer have a planet), etc.
For nids none other but Leviathan exist. It’s been a aggravating issue for some time.
Funny thing is they already told us the story of the station in a previous Tyranid episode. But they went into full detail and having Bricky narrate it was wonderfully horrifying the 1st time they exposed us to the station swallowed whole.
I first heard that story on Weshammer's channel. Soon as Bricky asked "Hey, wanna hear a horror story?", I immediately knew what was coming. Oof.
Prepare the flamers for this will be a war won by flames
*Salamanders start getting flustered*
*Salamanders Intensify*
"Won"
Looks like Death Watch will be recruiting from the Salamanders and it's other Promethium wielding Successors 😅
Skrees in Pyrovore
God I love the unique path of cosmic horror that they took with the Tyranids. Usually cosmic horror is all about something that you don't understand unstoppably marching through you and steamrolling you in a way you can't fight.
With the tyranids, you know exactly what they're doing, you know exactly what they want, and you know exactly how they're doing it.
You just never had a chance because there's so many of them.
When the hive mind send emisseries to « gather ressources » in lore it’s always something capital to the ennemies and also helps take out a lot of troops from the front to try and stop it and most of the time deny it by destroying his prize or dies trying
33:24
Hive Mind: "In all my years of hunting, slaughter, eating, it was never personal. But what I'm about to do to your stubborn, annoying planet? I'm going to enjoy it very very much."
Well... Congrats!
That story of a spacestation/listening-post getting devoured by Tyranid hiveship got me flashbacks of "James Bond - You only live twice", and now the music what played everytime a spacepod got snatched by unidentified pod is playing nonstop in my head. Thanks!
9:29 The Reapers' plan for each cycle is a quick and decisive decapitation strike to take out the galactic leaders on the Citadel, because they have codes to control the Keepers who run the station. One of these codes would turn the Citadel into a mass relay from which the Reapers would enter the galaxy, immediately kill its leaders and gain access to all of the most important data the galaxy had to offer. The Protheans were able to render the Keepers incapable of receiving this signal, which means the direct decapitation isn't possible anymore. They also do not have the vast troves of knowledge and data that the Citadel archives would have provided.
You may ask, then, why the Reapers didn't immediately beeline for the Citadel and take it by force. Well, Sovereign tried and failed, but more to the point, the Reapers' strategy relies heavily on a disorganized and unprepared enemy. By attacking the homeworlds of the various Council races they drew resources away from a singular unified front, splitting the enemy. They also had to make their way out of dark space and to the relay network. (Also the Citadel is a veritable fortress in its own right, which is one reason why they needed the Keeper signal and why they were so sure the galactic races would use it as their capital in every cycle)
And yet they were still unprepared because of the fucking council
@@dinosuarman13 See I would LIKE to say that there's nothing they really could've done to prepare for the Reapers (cuz there isn't) but fuck the council with their "ah yes Reapers" bullshit
You know what's crazy to me is that inquisitors are told things that would make the average person lose there minds and even some of them after knowing these things cant take it and consider ending it now quick while they still have the chance to is scary as hell to me.
That "Corn Emissary" joke made me spit water on my monitor, thanks Brickster
The fact that I didn’t even realize the psychic might of the Tyranids is so great never made me think that they COULD communicate, but why would they we are all food in their eyes is insane, EVEN with advanced technology of Xenos or the unpredictable Demons is not enough to to stop this horror of its meal
The updated Adeptus Ridiculous theme has no business hitting this hard 👌 good shit, gents
I like the idea of big E just fighting the 4 chaos gods, gork and mork and the hive mind in one big punch up
Honestly. Yeah, that's probably happening.
Nurgle was able to convert a group of Genestealers that got stranded in his garden. The Genestealer cult turned their backs on the Hivemind and praised Nurgle as their new true deity.
Don't a lot of genestealers also worship the Emperor?
Indeed, Cult Tenebrous.
@@prestonjones1653wait what
Genestealer on the emperor side ?!
@@prestonjones1653they worship the 4 armed emperor, buts its not the same as the imperiums emperor
@mr.revrac5602 I imagine some GSC cults that escape their world prior to their consumption MIGHT turn their back, but IDK if that's evem possible.
26:14 Ive been saying the Daemons and Warp would be the best way to fight the nids. Robots and Demons
9:30
Okay, the entire plot of the first game occurs because the Reapers *cannot* shut down the Citadel from outside the Galaxy like they always did, due to the final actions on the Protheans the last time the Reapers came, and so one of them had to physically go to the Citadel and shut off the mass relays from there, and open up the Citadel to the rest of the Reapers.
The reason they went after Earth is largely cause of Shepard, cause the plot of the 2nd game is that the Collectors had been taking entire human colonies to make a Human Reaper.
The Reapers took an interest in Humanity, which is kinda the last race you EVER want the attention of.
"I don't think you can turn necrons into anything."
Well until they can...
In older lore there were some Tyranids that got sucked into a warp rift, and then got corrupted by chaos, primarily by Khorne and Nurgle I think, and then unleashed onto a world another hive fleet was in the process of being devoured.
I think at this point it’s about time the Imperium stopped killing xenos and began allying with them to defeat a common foe.
What a wonderful episode to find while reading the Devastation of Baal
You guys forgot the planet size Tyranid bioform the Raven Guards found. They have a Brother Moon!
Oh jolly, was it ever dealt with?
I presume not, but still I wouldn’t put it past GW they make space marines op
I fully agree that the Tyranids are a larger threat than Chaos now
Admit it, when you hear Hive Mind you think of the eyeball from StarCraft when you click on a hatchery
This is more of a personal opinion but I actually like the idea of each individual norn queen being like a subset or shard of the full hivemind, resulting in each queen being still connected but slightly independent. Besides the idea of norn queens viciously debating each other psychically on who's space bugs are better I feel like it gives a good explanation on why different hivefleets use different tactics or fight each other when they meet despite still being run by the exact same thing basically.
Kinda like a person who’s had their corpus callosum severed (a brain surgery that severs the left and right hemispheres of the brain, usually used to help people with severe and near-constant seizures). For a long time after surgery, it’s like the left and right halves of the brain are slightly different people, until the patient learns to manually make them work together. I remember reading about a woman who had this surgery, and one half of the brain wanted to wear a particular shirt, but the other half didn’t, and she spent a considerable amount of time taking the shirt out of her closet and putting back because the two halves were “arguing” about what to wear that day.
Or, like an octopus that has one main brain, but also a brain at the base of each of its arms.
Now, apply that concept to all of the Norn Queens. They’re all working towards the same goal and are in constant communion with each other, but they can still have different opinions because they are able to maintain separate identities within the same mind.
The thumbnail art for this episode is amazing. One of the best youve put out so far
I know not which will haunt my dreams tonight: The sheer terror of that auger station's fate, or the delightful tonal dissonance of Farmer Hat Norn Emissary.
I pray for the latter, but my mind isn't always that kind.
Wondering if the emperor returning would even be enough to stop the nids
Regarding Hive Mind's hatred and treating humans like a cattle seems a bit like the alien intelligence encountered in Peter Watts's Blindsight book.
50:15 to the end of the episode can be abridged to the "the hero reads a most unsettling passage" meme.
+20 Stress
It’s horrifying to realize that “family meal” takes on a whole new meaning when it comes to the tyranids 😖😖😖
10:07
Covering Masseffect lore is a whole other monster of a task.
I think you guys are better off making another channel for that.
When they were talking about the Hivemind not bothering to comune with us the immortal words of Goobus Doobus Rang True.
"You name your food?" ( Louie from the Pikman animation.)
Read the devastation of Baal. It has so much Tyranid lore. For example you get the pov of a Lichtor for a decent chunk of the book, you learn what the hive mind is, you learn the hive mind doesn’t just feel hunger, you learn that the Tyranid forms you see are multiple different Tyranids living together symbiotically also the Lichtor is substantially more terrifying then you think it is.
9:00 Bricky, they already explained all the way back in ME1 why the Reapers didn't use the Citadel to shut down the relays. They couldn't, because the last group of surviving Protheans managed to sneak onto the Citadel and sabotage both the systems that allowed the Citadel to shut down the relays, as well as the Keepers who were responsible for maintaining the Citadel's systems, in order to give the next cycle a fighting chance. Hell, ME1's last level is basically Sovereign trying to get to the Citadel and reboot the system manually, but he fails and gets blown up for the trouble. After that, the rest of the Reapers just said "Fuck it." and decided to conquer the galaxy the hard way.
The tyranids are as close to a lovecraftian creature that exists in 40k. You could interpret the hivemind's hatred as directed at that person, at humans, or maybe galactic life itself. If the hivemind is a creature beyond complete understanding, perhaps that anger is what a small thing sees when looking at the annoyance of a much greater being. That all this resistance against the tyranids amounts to nothing more, to the hivemind, than an upset stomach, a passing annoyance but nothing more.
That thumbnail is the most horrifying thing I have ever seen in regards to Tyranids, and I played Deathwing in single player mode.
So fun thing, there was a tyranid conversation once, and so depending on how you view it you could see this as with the hive mind itself. Now this is waaay back, way back when the first boardings of hive ships took place so if you want want to accept this as still canon then feel free. Personally I think it's great so I still consider it legit.
Some space marine scouts came across a zoat, yes this is way back when it wasn't the norn who bore the title emmissary, and in a bit of the Hive Fleet being actually cunning in how it managed it's available biomass/energy, it assesssed and talked to them, basically stalling them for more actual combat forms to wake from the long void slumber.
Best bit though is it threw shade against the Lamenters calling them the Lambs. Yes, even the Hive Mind finds some amusement in how unfortunate the poor buggers that make up that chapter are.
Dk’s analogy with us and chicken, eerily spot on.
That part were you are talking about the hive mind having the ability to talk so reminds of “The Beast” from the homeworld series….when the Taidan betray it looks at them and says “Then you are what you’ve had always been…..FOOD” then the main ship starts flying up to each Taidan ship a littersly starts eating them Unicron style
9:00 Just want to say, the Reapers in Mass Effect didn't use the Citadel to teleport in and turn all Relays off is because the Protheans figured it out and turned it of to hinder the Reapers in our cycle. It's why Sovereign invades the Citadel in ME1 to turn it back on so the rest of the Reapers could show up in ME1 instead of ME3.
*Having said that:* why they didn't turn the Relays off once they got the Citadel in ME3 to hinder the giant Earth Liberation Fleet and Crucible... is still a valid question and criticism.
I’m kinda surprised the station’s commander didn’t just initiate self-destruct at that point, since a point-blank starship plasma generator detonation from the inside would probably rip the bioship in half, or at least seriously wound it
DK heard one guy feel guilty and depressed about a moment of cowardice amidst a star systems end and held on to that mans inability to keep his family alive and suffering the Tyranid Hell along with him as a justified ticket for their inevitable death being as bad and painful as it possibly can be...
He'd make a mighty fine Imperial
I’m pretty sure Eldrad has peered psychicly into the hive mind too
My theory on why the Nids can sometimes go through the warp is that they have no souls/weak souls like the Votann
But then in theory you need a soul to USE the Warp, which various Tyranid Psykers do! So either their souls are "weak" and unpalatable to ther warp, yet still capable of POWERFUL psyking, or they don't have any souls, yet are still able to psyk using some other method of their own.
I favour the latter theory. Psyking is always cerebrally-based, but no other faction has the ENORMOUS brains Tyranid Psykers do, so it's likely that they need it for some reason.
@@vegladexit's actually that they all share one soul. The Hive Mind is the not just the combined intelligence but also the singular soul of the entire Tyranid race in the whole universe. They are one being with many bodies
@@RougerTXR388 this makes so much sense
@@vegladex I think the entire species shares one soul; and it's so ridiculously powerful that it can defend itself.
Bricky, DK, so here's the Mass Effect lore you forgot:
The Protheans changed the Keepers on the Citadel so they no longer react to the Reaper signal sent by Sovereign, hence they needed to use the Batarian Relays since they couldn't turn on the Citadel's relay from dark space. Also, they took the Citadel off-screen and then transported it to Earth so they can start making the human-based Reaper easier by using the sky-hook teleporter in London to transport living and dead humans to the Citadel for processing. Then the united forces of the Galaxy attacked, yaddy-yadda you know the rest...
You're welcome!
There's an interesting bit in the Kasrkin book where a kroot shaper eats the finger of a necron. it almost kills him because the necrodermis eats him from inside. I think he's only saved by a crazy necron overlord. It would be very interesting to see what would happen to tyrannids who eat necrons.
I’d love to see an episode on hive fleet tiamet. It takes the horror and mystery of the hive mind even further, for instance they do not eat cultists. Instead they somehow turn them into psykers and arm them with pirated ships. Not to mention it would be nice to hear about classic zoat lore, where they were supposedly diplomats for the hive mind (and gave up on diplomacy because of human aggression).
Nurgle doesnt like the nids because they reject his gifts - whenever they encounter the deathguard they adapt quickly to overcome their diseases.
My best guess at why Tyranids sometimes go through warp uneffected by demons is because they simply have no reason to bother each other. Tyranids don't have their own minds so they don't really fuel demons even if they die suffer or anything,and demons do not have biomass to absorb. So they just might look at each other and politely pass by since the other side is of no interest.
Alternatively shadow in the warp might act as a suitable substitute for gellar fields
In darkness in the blood, the blood angels were passing through the warp when daemons manifested on their ship, as they continued sailing they came across a “wall of shadow” it was the Hive Mind and its shadow. The book said that the fury of the Hive Mind was so powerful it calmed the warp, and destroyed the daemons.
10 episodes officially without talking about raven Guard or Thousand sons, i can excuse this episode though since they're on a tyranid streak and i'm willing to be patient.
I’m willing to sadly bet they’ll do the furries before they get to our emo bird bois
@@lindzmiester9698 i'd be interested in learning about the space wolves, especially with the connection of Leman going after Magnus.
It's probably the same as the Blood Angels. The more you cry about it, the longer it takes
@@sparking023who said i was crying about it, i just like to keep track of how long they go before they do a fan requested episode
Prepare the boltgun brother
23:52 Kinda random. I remember there's apparently a lord or something in WH Fantasy that had a Bloodthirsters head mounted on his wall . . . which eventually it came back through
I always imagined the Tyranids are the final failsafe of the Old Ones. One to scourge the galaxy clean so the Old Ones could rebuild it again.
I like them better as a natural phenomenon. With everything in the galaxy being bathed in supernatural beings and their lackies the tyranids being a naturally evolved hyper-apex predator is one of the only mildly interesting things about them.
That's some halo shit right there
Cool idea
Or as a way to simply store the genetic code of the galaxy. Think about it, Tyranids store the genes of EVERYTHING they eat. Uncountable trillions of species, all in one convenient location, ready for the Old Ones to un-spool and resettle on terraformed worlds.
If the hivemind is empowered through a distributed network of individuals, chances are that the focussing of the psychic presence of the hivemind or even the collective psychic presence of a hivefleet would be impossible
I really want Bricky to tell DK about Rophanon.
That moment when you talk about "the hive mind could communicate with us, it just does not want to" reminds me of Lovecraft discussing the Elder Gods in relation to man in the scale similar to a man to an ant. It knows that we are insignificant and does not care.
I love how every faction has an "if", except the nids, like:
"If humanity wasn't a literal cult lead by imbeciles they could conquer the Galaxy",
"If the orcs weren't stupid they could take over the Galaxy",
"If chaos truly united they could destroy the Galaxy", and etc,
Meanwhile the the nids are _when_ they devour the Galaxy, their "if" is at best: "if some of the other races don't join forces, the tyranids will devour the Galaxy"
I am baffled, how all three of them are being cringe in three different ways, yet staying extremely hilarious at the same time
This video above any other has provided me with so many clips.
We need corn emissary merch.
Who on earth looks at a hive ship that can eat entire worlds and thinks “Yes I want to be inside of that”
Inquisitor Kryptman
I pretend that Chaos hates Nids.
Khorn: No honor or martial skill. They feel no glory or shame.
Nurgle: They refuse all of Nurgles gifts. They do not have cycles of rebirth: they just eat a planet and leave. They are stagnant in the worst way. They are not of this galaxy and are thus "unnatural"
Tzeentch: They are pure instinct so they can't really 'think' or trick other, or be tricked. They do not pursue knowledge, they just let evolution do everything for them.
Slanesh: As non sentients they can't "feel" or seek pleasure, pain, or hold secrets. And they can't f*ck.