E-bike: why I chose Orbea Vibe H30 over Specialized Vado SL 4.0
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In this video I will show you the key features of Orbea Vibe H30 commuter E-bike, check the actual weight of the bike and tell you why I chose Orbea Vibe H30 over Specialized Vado SL 4.0.
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Hahaha I have said the same for years “me on a ebike ? never !” And guess what my wife and I bought last Saturday... two spe vado turbo to commute and now the Vespa is on sale ! We went for the 45 km version, the 25 km when you are used to ride your road bike feels to slow on the flat. Great video as always !
Haha, we all will be there! They don’t sell more than 25kmh in the UK unfortunately :(
Interestingly, I went the other way when choosing between these two. Although the Vado was more expensive, the price came down in a Specialized promotion + a dealer discount. This closed the gap a bit, but it was the larger Vado battery (320W vs 250W in the Orbea), greater range, more efficient and beautifully smooth hub motor, neater mode change buttons and, IMO, better quality finish which made me choose the Vado. Both are light enough to be pedalled without assistance, so no real range anxieties with either bike.
That skid into picking up the cam for the outtro was clean af
These orbea ebikes are just great bikes and quality . I had the orbea gain road ebike and it just so smooth to ride . People say that the 250w motor isn't enough power like some ebikes or conversion kits . But it is plenty and it's there to assist you to give u that little boost . They may be more expensive then some ebikes , but there worth every penny . Such a great make ebike .
Well, that's certainly the first time I've heard a hub-drive being sold as a positive when compared to a mid-drive. I guess it depends on what you're after. If you want discretion, the hub is the way to go. On the other hand though, I gotta have them sweet sweet nMs.
I had an Orbea and it's awesome especially since the paint job is really brilliant. Great bike.
One thing that concerns me is the rear hub motor; it’s been well documented that a mid- drive motor is much more efficient and “mimics” a non ebike very well.
Thank you for your review of the Orbea.
I can assure you with only 40nm of torque that’s not the case, and I have a full mid drive emtb also
still more efficient than a car or motorcycle that sitting still on the highway.
@@aaron___6014 Commuting 50 miles on a daily round trip into central London by motorbike the only time I'm stopped is if the lights are on red.
I've got a Vado 4.0 SL EQ, 1 kg extra, but with fenders, rack, much better light and a 320 Wh battery. You'll probably won't notice the extra kg, but will notice the extra range.
Thanks for these H30 vids! I got one back in May and have been enjoying it very much. Mostly road commute riding, but it's also up for a bit of light gravel. Thing I like least about it is for me, there's quite a big jump between some cogs, in particular I find when I hit around 15mph on the flat I'm pedalling quite fast, but the next gear up makes it a bit of a slog. Maybe a front mech would solve that. But otherwise I love the bike and highly recommend it.
Oh thanks so much for explaining that handlebar controller, I've been looking everywhere for a simple explanation. Love this bike!
You are welcome :)
Whay you love? Is just 250watt battery, is nothing
HA! I am completely with you on the owners manual diagrams instructions. Near impossible to understand and in fact it's why I arrived at your video. We purchase the Orbea Ultima for my wife yesterday and it's a game changer for her after several mud-drive heavy bikes
I got this bike. I love it. The brakes are amazing. looking forward to seeing the upgrades you get
super super, my partner just purchased the mid vibe medium. probably the best bike I have ever rode beside, beautiful and worringly aggressive as she now has worked out the settings. good for you pointing out the manual. It is vague!! unlike most ebikes this beauty has the weight to enjoy a perfect day out INCLUDING hills. cheers.... martin
Thank you for your video. 10 min. ago I was sure to buy an VADO. Now I have to think again... Ride on!
You are more than welcome!
Can I ask you what Bike you settled on? Thank you.
I respect your choice, and Orbea Vibe H30 is certainly a beautifully designed e-bike. You forgot to mention that by saving several hundred quids you gave up a mid-drive motor and great connectivity of Vado SL though :) Now, demonstrate a serious climb on your Vibe. 8% grade would be enough! Or, connect a Garmin or a Wahoo to your Vibe!
Thanks. I was buying a bicycle first of all, and not a motorcycle. I still have power in my legs :) so 8% gradient is not a problem, especially with a 1:1 gear ratio and a 12.5kg weight of the bike after my upgrades (have a separate video about it). If we are talking about climbing, I’ve climbed 20% climbs on much longer distances than what I ride in the city. And if I decide to do Everesting, I won’t choose any of these two bikes anyway :)
thank you for sharing this video. I'm looking for a ebike and didn't know the brand Orbea. This Orbea bike is amazing.
No probs. I’m glad you liked the video and learned about this brand
Damn this makes me want one! Stoked to see how you build it up!
Thanks Landon. Getting all the parts ready and will hopefully be able to fully upgrade it soon!
I bought Orbea Vibe H30 because of your video, and have enjoyed it the last two weeks. Just ask Orbea for a commission 😜
Haha I wish they paid me for that!
I’m glad you liked the bike.
You sold me on that bike, thanks for your video, mate!
Congrats with new e-bike!
Thanks, Oleg!
Nice review. Deal breaker for Orbea for me is hub drive and crazy control setup. I am looking for my wife, same reason you are, to keep up. The controls on my Specialized Turbo Levo are straightforward especially nice when exhausted and losing one’s mind. I assume same for Vado. Add the auxiliary battery and prices are about the same. Here in the Atatea it would be hard to service the Orbea as our bike shops won’t touch mail order brands for service. Those total internal cables may become a headache come time for serious service. But I am glad you are pleased with the bike!
Thanks
Control setup is easy to use. The instruction manual is not straightforward. I wanted a bike that doesn’t look like electric and orbea wins in this category. As you’ve seen in the video, I replaced the brake hoses easily, so internal routing is not an issue and is definitely where the industry is moving to (which I support with both hands).
I have both an Orbea Vibe and Specialized Vado SL 4.0…both are great lightweight e bikes. If I had to choose one, the Specialized is the bike I tend to ride most often. With a mid-drive motor, it feels more a regular bike during acceleration. You can’t go wrong with either bike.
The Vado SL is to be fair one of the Best if not the Best light E Bike out there- especially as the bike is on discount a lot lately, it cost less than some direct consumer brands.
I rode 5k km on mine, no issues at all and all in perfect Working order and get about 70-80km per Charge which is a lot for the small Battery.
Hopefully in 2 or 3 years they come up with a little bit stronger motor (maybe 50nm) for steep uphills
who disliked it? we need to talk. congrats on bike m8
no doubt Specialized
I’m sure they are subscribed to my channel! 😆
Bike market so exciting but so expensive
I will have to keep using my Jamis Coda Elite flatbar that i bought new for 800aud years ago
Keeps me fit
Thanks for the review. You talked me into getting one and I should be getting it next week.
Damn! Orbea should start paying me! 😃
@@TwistedWheels I initially wanted a Desiknio but this is the closest I could find in North America.
Nice colour , the Vado is £3000 now , the Orbea H30 is £2159 at pure electric . No Vado till 2022 at my local bike shop
thanks for the nice informative video! and i guess things are pretty safe in the UK... if this was in the US, by the 8:15 mark, u'd see a couple kids in the background running off with the bike... 😂
Me wants a ebike as well!
Haha, you are welcome :)
I’ll let you know how it goes with the e-bike
Nice vid. More Orbea vibe h30 content pls 🙌🏻
Thanks Tom. Already got all components for complete rebuild of this bike. Just need to find time to make a video about it :)
beautiful bike!
I had my eye on one of these as well, but in the end I wanted something lighter and faster so I went for an Orbea Gain M30 (flat bar). according to the bike shop I ordered it through, it was starting to get built today!
It's going to be tough waiting for it to arrive... ☺
How much lighter is Gain M30?
@@TwistedWheels around 3-4kg I believe...this should make the most difference when I go faster than 25km/h (stupid Australian ebike speed restrictions), or if the battery dies. 👍
@@superflea72 3 kg - that’s a big difference! They also look very nice. Just checked them and the price was out of my budget, otherwise would also go for M30 👍🏼
@@superflea72 will see how much weight I can save on my upgrades and how close I can get to the weight of M30 :)
@@TwistedWheels haha, yeah they're not cheap, and it was out of my original budget as well...but luckily for me I had a motorbike sitting around that I hadn't been riding, so I sold it to help fund the M30.
I also loved that I could get on the MyO page and customise my bike's colours and name it (I went for Matte Black/Sky Blue, and named it Demonio Veloz). ☺
Did you compare against the Cannondale Quick Neo SL 1 or 2 as well? Seems like similar specs to the Vibe. Maybe the SL 2 could be a good base to upgrade? The Vibe is so clean and minimal though. Great choice.
Hi Tyler, no I didn’t. Cannondale looks good, but like you said, Orbea is very clean and with fully internal cable routing. I don’t think there is anything like that on the market
Anyone know what the chainset is ?
I believe its a standard BB86 bottom bracket, so can a Shinano Hollowtech crank be used ... like an XT ?
Looks like a great eBike. 👍
That looks like a great alternative to the Vado SL. But in the US there are many Specialized dealers but fewer Orbea dealers. How would you compare the motors of those two bikes?
and the baterry which is quite a bit smaller
Strange I’m my Iwoc Trio, you just press the up and down buttons to alter the modes. Only use the middle for on or off. Suggest you check yours again
Picked the BMC AMP over this one just because I got a better deal.
I bought my vibe in the US. Mines limited to 20mph. It's difficult to get to and maintain 20 mph . I bought mine In a bike shop. The shop said there is a break in period, but I emailed Orbea and they said there's no break in period. How it for you to get to 25 km?
Have you considered the "add-e next" motor in combination with an ultra light bike? You would loose some features like lights connected to battery and the look might be not as clean, but it would save some weight mainly because you can choose your own bike to add the motor to.
Hi, I am looking at buying this bike but my end of day commute I have a 1.5k hill climb of 160m. Would this be a problem for the bike? 30k return commute.
"And save 20 - 40%" on cycle scheme. Sure thing and at the end of the you pay 7% plus V.A.T. for continued use of the Bike. Who owns it well you will in a few years. Oh and the dealer gets a hit of a similiar amount on his sale which he pays to Cyclescheme. So only if you are a higher rate tax payer does it look favourable as a 10% discount is hardly worth the hassle for others especially as you can shop around for huge discounts.
great review! How often do you need to charge, what is the distance on one charge? and where is the charging port located? last one it is easy to ride without assist?
Thanks. Depends on how you use it. The charging port is at the bb area
I do a 19 mile commute to work, with a big downhill but mostly flat, with low assistance (30%) in places, battery is at 75% when I get to work. On return leg, again mostly low assistance but I use 90% power on a 5 mile climb and get home with 25% battery. So yeah it depends on how you ride and the terrain you cover. Hope this helps!
The bike it's so beautiful. But it's looks like a none removable battery? Is this a big deal? What if the battery it the future don't work anymore? How you can remove it to exchange it? Thanks for the great review
Yes, I don’t think the battery is removable. If there is a fault, I’d expect Orbea to replace it by warranty. Not sure about performance deterioration over time though, but I’m hoping that it’ll serve me well for a number of years…
G'day from Australia. Great video mate. What is the max battery range on this bike? How long does it take to recharge it? I can't find that info anywhere online.
Hey, the range will very much depend on the terrain you riding and the level of motor support. I believe I saw the number 100km-ish somewhere (without battery extender).
Hello, you seem to know a bit about bikes, just recieved my Orbea Vibe H30 EQ yesterday. Had it up on my maintanance stand checking out the display and motor etc and found i could not get it into first gear, 2nd and third were a bit rough making a clicking noise, the jockey wheel will not pass the largest sprocket wheel to feed the chain on. Very diappointing this.
How to remove the battery
Beautiful bike! I am considering one for myself.
Is the motor loud when under pressure?
How do you feel about the electric assistance, is it powerful enough?
The motor is quite. Assistance is up to 25kmh, after that there is a bit of resistance from the rear hub, so retaining an average speed of more than 25kmh is quite a work.
But if you just commuting in the city - this bike is perfect
@@TwistedWheels Thanks for the reply and for pointing that out... I have a hub based electric bike from Decathlon and I feel the same, after 25km/h it's not as efficient as a normal bike, whereas drivetrain based bikes feel more natural. I visited the LBS and they have some for sale, I will still give it a test drive.
Great Video. Amazing looking bike. What size frame did you get? I am 5ft10 so trying to decide between 49cm an 53cm.
Thanks, Sam. I’m 5ft11 and I bought 53cm because I want it to be used by my wife too and she is 5ft4 😬
I would recommend going 53cm, because they have quite a short front triangle (I believe Orbea based it on their gravel bike), unlike Specialized vado that are based on mtb geometry and have longer front.
@@TwistedWheels Hello! I'm 6ft2, do you think 53cm would feel too cramped? I've read the official orbea size recommendations and I fall under L (53cm), but by what you're saying I think maybe XL (57.5cm) would be a better choice...
Thanks for the review! I looked at one today! I currently ride a flat bar hybrid with front suspension and I'm reluctant to lose that front fork as I sometimes go across grass and other rougher ground! What are your thoughts after riding one? Thanks in advance!
I swapped the wheels to 650B with 47mm wide tyres. This should be more than enough for riding on gravel and grass.
@@TwistedWheels Ok, thanks for that! Great idea! Keep up the great work!
I often ride to work at an average close to 25kph (leg power). I wonder if getting a bike like this one would help me improve the commuting time. I believe the assistance would help me reduce the moments bellow 25 but those I manage to go above 25 would be unhelped by the electric system... really puzzled about how much this bike could help. Could you share some advice?
I feel that you will not improve your time, but you’ll most likely spend less energy to get to work. But it obviously depends on the road, number of traffic lights, number of hills you need to climb etc
I watched a TH-cam vid were a guy/girl did a head to head test of a mid/rear motor and the mid was significantly quicker. th-cam.com/video/hzTIWtaf6So/w-d-xo.html
👍good choise
Great review 👍
Nice Review! Any advise as to where to get an Orbea Vibe H30 in the US? I don’t see any mention of the H30 on the Orbea website?
Thanks, Derek. Sorry, I don’t. The best way is to contact Orbea and ask them if they sell this model in the US
I want to buy this or the Poison E605.
Great video bro, do you think the handle bars would be too wide for a shorter person I’m 5’7
It depends on your preference, but I have eventually replaced mine with 650mm
Great review. Can you use the Ebikemotion app on your phone with this bike?
Thanks. Yes, you can
Hi, I see that you understand something and I am a very newbie. They taught me an Orbea Gian F3o I don't know a basic mtb type, an urban environment I believe and the truth is I am looking and I see very little to inform me of several things that to have an ebike, without knowing them I would not be encouraged to have one.
1- the battery in the future, you can change it yourself or you usually need a special tool.
2- The motor, are they the type that I ever read, without brushes and do not need periodic maintenance? or from time to time to the store ... I am an urban user - basic but I want help on medium long stretches and hills. I imagine that for assistance in 30, 40 km it is right? Thank you
Can you tell me about motor power and speed is it enough power and speed for the hills?I ask you because the area where I live has many hills.
It really depends on what you need. It is extra 250 watts in your legs which is more than enough for me personally. More than that and you probably need a moped, not an e-bike.
Very pretty bike might take the plunge
05:18. This Orbea needs to improve on their interface. A simple LCD screen with buttons will go a long way.
Hello, I would like to know how the bike behaves after 25km / h in the plains, pedaling you can easily reach 30 / 35km / h or do you have a lot of effort? I usually use a road bike and would like to replace it to go to work, can you recommend it? the distance is 15km with little height difference, thank you very much, good rides Paolo from Turin.
There is no extra effort or braking when you reach the 25 km/h on the new light E-bike motors. Mahle X35, Fazua and Spezialised SL 1.1 all transition smooth into above 25 km/h speeds.
Do you think this is a good option for a gravel bike for someone who’s starting riding?
Does anyone know what will happen when the battery needs replacing?
I believe that the battery can actually be replaced and removed via that opening at the bottom bracket area.
What about the gear system? How many gears does the bike have?
Where is fender mounts on the fork and on the rear. I mean fenders is a must! There is no connection between chainstays like on most normal bicycles, which allows you to bolt on simple fenders.
Thanks, great video, I've also been trying to choose between the Orbea and the Specialised Vado. I think the Specialized looks nicer but I'll be trying an Orbea when my local bike shop has one in stock. Performance rather than price will be the decider for me.
Specialized looks nice in the photo, but I didn’t like it that much in real life. The downtube is huge and the whole bike feels bulky. Whereas Orbea looks like a normal non-E bike. But you may be looking for something different
@@TwistedWheels Thanks - interesting observation! I hope I will be as happy with the Orbea as you were. I'm also after an e-bike that doesn't look like an e-bike!
@@thamesking no worries, I’m glad you found it helpful. Try both of them and decide. They also have a very different riding position: Spesh has more of a relaxed MTB, whereas Orbea feels more like a gravel bike with flat handlebars, so quite a bit shorter.
@@TwistedWheels Thanks again for your helpful replies. I think I'll get a gut feeling for the right one when I try it.
@thamesking I am curious if you have chosen between Orbea Vibe H30 vs SL Vado 4. Appreciate if you could reply as I'm also in same situation and performance is the key factor for me as well. The confusing thing is Vibe has 40Nm Torque and 250W Motor Power whereas SL Vado 4 has 35Nm Torque and 240W Motor Power so would like to know which one is better performance in hills and overall. Thanks.
Good luck orbea have a one star trust pilot review
I don’t use trust pilot reviews when choosing my bikes. I’ve been using it for several months now and I absolutely love it.
@@TwistedWheels you should I had a gain and the electrics stopped r working after a year and getting a response is never gunna happen have a look at the reviews bro. The company never responds nor do they care the blue exposed wire on the electric bike is so flimsy I should have bought a ribble e bike instead
Even though the battery is intergrated how easy is it to take out if needed? In a perfect world I'd like a bike that has a removable battery.
Battery is not removable
Was looking for the Ampler Court but this one looks nice too. Do you know how much is a replacement battery? How many km can you drive with the battery at once?
Haven’t checked how much they cost. The distance very much depends on the terrain you ride and level of motor support that you use. I’d say something in the range of 40-90km
I got this bike too, but I can sense a vibration when pedalling, which intensifies as i pedal harder.. doesnt matter if motor is on or not, the vibration is still noticable.. anyone else with this issue? had a Orbea Vibe before without this issue
If I want replace the accu how can I do it ?
hi, you look quite tall what size did you get, i'm 6ft 2...i was thinking of getting large, many thanks.
I’m 182cm and I bought M, but only because my wife and I will be using this bike and she is 163cm, otherwise I would have gone for large
Thanks for your reply, large it is.
Hi. Great review. I have tried a medium and a large and I found both ok. I am 175 cm five foot nine and I can’t decide on size. What would you recommend ?
Hi, I’d say Medium unless you like longer/more stretched position
@@TwistedWheels thank you for such a quick response😀
The only thing i wanted to know the most is that does the range they put in the website correct? How many miles can we get in max and minimum assists!
Cause of the small battery i can't belive it can do so many miles!
I think what they put is the best case scenario with minimum level of assist.
How much you can get depends on the terrain you ride, how much much you push yourself and what level of assistance you need.
I bought the battery extender with my bike :)
Hi there, great review! I would love to know do you still think this is as good a bike as the specialized vado sl.
I am looking at both for my daily commute. Currently i use my road bike, but there are days when take the car because of head winds or general tiredness.
My commute is 28km each way, with 143m elevation. I would normally average 23-26kph on my road bike in the mornings, depending on wind direction.
In the evenings its usually a bit higher. So I'm thinking the battery would be enough, as the motor would only be kicking in on the gentle hills.
Anyway, i love to hear your advice, Thanks.
I was wondering how long does the battery last ?
What about the canyon commuter:on 7?
Hi is the Orbe restricted like the specialized vado to 16mph in the uk
Yes, like all e bikes in the uk
Is it possible to fit full coverage mudguards? There doesn't appear to be anything to attach one to above the rear wheel.
Yes. Orbea sells mudguard bridges for seatstays:
www.orbea.com/ro-en/gear/spare-parts/cat/puente-gbarros-vibe-21
Have you fitted any mudguards to your bike? If so, which ones?
@@jamesdooley8233 I’m planning to fit Veloduo carbon mudguards
Yep - same! I said NEVER for an e-bike and now I own this Orbea-Vibe😜 Not sure if I will pass it to my daughter to use for work (commuting) or keep for myself. Nonetheless- this rhetro style and light model are impressive on every level thus far. Ride on 🚴♀️
Orbea say the battery is replaceable. Is there a hatch near the bottom bracket? Do you know how it is removed?
Yes, there is a door at the bb area - you can watch the video where I’m upgrading orbea - I am showing that door there
@@TwistedWheels Thanks for taking the time to reply.
Where can I see the Orbea vibe mid/H30 ultra light
I’m finishing filming this episode, so subscribe not to miss it :)
Hi can you de-restrict this bike to increase max speed? Thanks
I don’t think so
Good video.
Is the battery removable???
Hey I do Deliveroo and Uber Eats and wondered if you thought this bike would be suitable for it?
Sorry, I don’t know what your requirements are. I guess, why not. However, in London, deliveroo guys are usually riding converted to e-bike MTBs with chinese motors where you don’t even need to pedal at all 🤣
По газонам!?!? Вандал!!!
А байк кайф) Конгратс!
Я ж сказал ‘sorry!’ 😀
Спасибо, бро 👊🏼
My controller no longer lights up. Any ideas anybody ?
Hey up what size did you opt for and also what height are you
Cheers
Hi, this is medium and I’m 182cm. It’s a bit small for me, but this bike will be used by my wife too and she is 163cm
what speed does this cap out at? is it 20mph? i have an alez and i routinely ride 30-35mph on the flat. would this assist at all or would it restrict my top speed?
In the UK, the legal limit for motor assist is 25Kph or 15.5mph, after that you can go as fast as you can pedal and the gearing will allow, bloody hard work on the flat and inclines though!
i can pedal up to around 27mph on the flat. maybe 32 on my sprint bike. my motor on my ebike will assist to 28.8mph and im on my own after that. i modded teh spedo to boost me up to 38mph though. that makes it much more feasible for commuting as i need to bike on teh road in a 45mph area. @@petejones1957
Hi, is there rapid shift in that shifter ( can it shift more than one gear at a time?)
Yes. It’s a standard shimano shifter
Thanks
Video lacks content about the back. Is this full electric with throttle or pedal assist? Video guy said it will move forward if motor is switched on. Should have a kill switch for full motor stop. What are the gearings, components, etc?
How fast will it go up to?...and how tall of a rider will it hold. I'm 6"7? 🤔
Motor support is up to 25 km/h. After that it depends on your legs :)
Check their website for sizing. You’ll probably need the largest size they have and potentially replace the stem/seatpost for longer ones.
@@TwistedWheels awesome thanks bud
Im 6' 3 and my turbo vado sl assist doesn't cut out til 28 mph !
Is the motor very loud when u drive?
Not at all
@Twisted Wheels Thanks for the video. Please could you advise me here. I am struggling to choose between Orbea Vibe H30 and SL Vado 4. I am looking for good performance and Power and want to ride super smooth in hills so appreciate if you could reply. The confusing thing is Vibe has 40Nm Torque and 250W Motor Power whereas SL Vado 4 has 35Nm Torque and 240W Motor Power so would like to know which one is better performance in hills and overall. Thanks.
Hi! The most importat key to ebike hill performance is the position of the engine.
Orbea Vibe is a wheel hub type engine and Specialized Vado is mid drive engine (on the cranks).
Electric engines only can drive at full output on certain RPM range, in the case of wheel hubs (18 ~ 24 Km/h), at slower speeds, the controller drain lower intensity of the battery to prevent burn the engine (at higher speed no problem). But the mid drives rotates at your cadence speed and still engineered for optimun cadences from 65 to 95 RPM, resulting on better engine power at lower bike speeds on spteepest hills if you reduce to shortest gears and can mantain regular pedal cadences(80~90 RPM).
I try the Orbea Gain line Orbea Vibe and is light and fasta but at very steep hills (>10%) the power of the engine decreases, at the mid drive bikes if change the chain to bigges cassette sproket the bike climb like motorcycle hills of 20 and 24% grade.
@@SuperSer886 Thank you my friend. Really appreciate your detailed technical explanation and I do really had the same understanding about the Mid drive motors and they are better than Hub drive motors so Specialized takes advantage of that. I hopefully Test ride both of these in the coming months before I decided. Cheers!!
Noooice bike! Congrats!
Bonjour merci pour la vidéo par rapport au vado 5sl il 'y a pas la suspension intégré donc moins confortable pour la ville pa de porte bagage et garde boue donc un peu plus lourd mais au prix de 4600 euros pour la France beaucoup trop chère merci à vous
Specialized is much better imo. This is a good option if on a tighter budget though
It’s not a good idea to buy hub drive motor over center drive.
I'm curious what You will change to save grams :-) and You need clean cable on hadlebar, now look awful ;-)
As always, pretty much everything. Yeah, will put cables in order when changing the brakes/rear mech.
I'm happy for you but I don't like e-bikes. All the best and ride safe 😎
...yet 😄