What happened to GENJI?
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Hey KarQ do you think you can do Doomfist?
You could include the Release of new Heros if they Changed the Place in the Meta for something like Genji it's particularly important I think.
OH WOW NO WAY!! I'M GOING THERE RN
Seriously brilliant video, really like the inclusion of the OWL clips and the less "data dump" style. Smashed it! I think Ana, Brig or Rein would be a good next vid?
Yeah!!!
@@craigmchenry1477 I actually liked the previous video a lot more, this one breezed through the changelogs so quickly that at few points I had to rewind the video 'cause I thought I missed something.
Nah man I loved this video, only quick part is the end but there you can pause and its just Additional info. Love the new style!
I've always felt like Genji was high skill, low reward. You can know how to play him but it's very difficult to get consistent value out of him. Nanoblade is the only thing that makes him anywhere near powerful.
Agree. Genji is not worth playing, no matter how good you are with him.
The nerfs made him irrelevant, when you can do the same with other dps heroes who require much less effort and skill.
Coming back to OW after 2017 straight to what is now was really something as a Genji-Flex main (I do know couple of heroes, like McCassidy and Soldier and others) and playing Genji feels super weird, feels like there's always a counter on another team. And I'm not bad genji either, like I have some aim, I have game sense, but the fact that I can't solo anyone is destroying he's whole purpose. It feels like the good old days in OW2 however
@@deblxdee Amen to that brother. Feels like I can never win a 1v1 whenever I play Genji. I feel like I can never do enough damage fast enough. It is nice to be able to play him in Overwatch 2 though. He feels good. It’s refreshing.
thats because most of the time u can't play him 2 the full capacity even if u know how to for example depending on who is on the enemy team u have 2 wait for a certain time before popping ult i.e wait for moira dash 2 go down zarya bubble lucio ult zen ult etc there is 2 much shit that genji players have 2 watch out for constantly to do anything effective he is thee most ability gated character in any game ive ever seen his ultimate needs a rework i.e make his dashes do increased damage per kill or do something with the bleed he use 2 have nad he runs way faster cuz robot powers
I think a lot of it comes down to the fact that almost every hero that's been released since launch counters mobile, close range fighters. Everything has either very good ways to protect themselves (e.g Orisa, Moira, Bap) and/or stuns/boops to shut down engagments (Sig, Brig, Sombra etc.).
Exactly.
That's the exact reason why I stopped playing Genji and eventually Overwatch at all he was my main but it felt like the developers hate him nerfing him basically every new Hero Sombra, Orisa, Doomfist, Moira, Sigma and Baptiste tragic
except for Ana, every new hero just made the game worse lmfao
@@ImWatchingYou69 And by that logic how did ana help it at all?
More specifically than that, a lot of heroes have some way of ignoring deflect specifically(Hack, Shield Bash, ROCK, etc...). This feels like a very targeted nerf to genji every time something like that is added. He pretty much cannot use his only defensive option a lot of the time, which is already on a big cd to begin with
It's funny how almost every single new introduced hero since Sombra has at least one ability that fully bypasses Genji's deflect (directly or with splash damage). no wonder he's weaker.
Genji is the donkey kong of this game bro
Not Baptiste though
Not to mention Sigma just IGNORES the rules of deflect
@@LuigixD baps entire kit literally counters genji, his shift, his ult, his immor
@@owpolar I know, but hey, at least he doesn't bypass Genji's deflect
I will always be a Genji main til the end. I remember feeling all the pain of these changes... every single one
This video was just _pain_ in general..
Genji may not be meta but we don’t main him because he is good, we main him because he is super fun to play and has an awesome design.
yeah i basically quit ow bc genji was so borderline unplayable. mind you, i was still finding success with it, i even peaked 3820 during double shield meta when genji was worst, but after ow2 was announced i played less and less and now i only play maybe 2 or 3 games in a week
@@yimpyoi9808 Ah, I stopped around Season 10 or somewhat before it. I only touched Masters and bounced.
Daaaamn…… is that you grandpa?
So sorry to hear that the dva video didnt perform well I thought that one was great as well as this one you always make quality content KarQ keep it up!
It's because d.va has generally always been good except for launch so people don't really look up stuff about d.va unless she gets nerfed or buffed.
Genji on the other hands has a only a few patches to where he's good. But never gets buffs because of how good people could be with him.
To sum it up.
Genji is like the strongest man in the world hitting you with a pillow.
d.va is like a decently strong man hitting you with a baseball bat
Been a genji player since launch (ew i know) the dragons cinematic alone is what got me into OW in the first place and I can easily say genji has some of the most fun gameplay out of any hero and his playstyle feels so unique. Once you fully understand his movement/combos he just clicks and serves such a fun role and in my opinion could have one of the highest skill caps in the game, as we've seen from the pros. I just wish Blizzard had the balls to make him good instead of absolutely gutting him by introducing heroes that all seem to have a genji counter in their kit now.
Blizzard doesn't know how to treat people as equal human being. Imagine they knowing how to do a proper balance game with Brig, Sigma and Bap being meta since their launch. This game is a joke if you think more often.
every character has counters….😭
@@theetaurus1832 and then there was brig on release
@@notRyanhardt on RELEASE. keyword RELEASE. 4 years ago.
@@theetaurus1832 yeah, that's what I wrote. What are even arguing about lol
why is genji bad?
short answer: bap, brig, orisa, sig
long answer: Baptiste, Brigitte and Double Shield
orisa wasnt too bad on her own, only with sigma
Dont forget moira
Long answer: He doenst counter a single hero
Also echo is just a better version of genji
@@Koloman-0410 he doesn’t. Only a 2 IQ bastion can die to a genji a in 6v6 because the only thing to do is not shit it when you suspect he has deflect, he can’t kill you on his own since as bastion you should be well protected and healed. He doesn’t counter any hero if the other hero is at least decent at the game.
I believe the entire roster in Overwatch is currently specifically made to counter Genji.
Overwatch reddit is so scared of Genjis, they had a long and unhealthy effect on the game, when devs listened to their complaints.
that's SO true,people started hating genji and they killed the character bc of that
@@brenohenrique9743 I pointed that out to that sub actually.
I was banned, my tongue, castrated from my skull and forced to wander aimlessly after they smashed my ball with the ban hammer.
So they didnt take it well, and little to no self reflection was had.
@@Kspice9000 unfornately
The one change I want for Genji is frame 1 deflect, because it seriously pisses me off how I'm always getting punished for good timing on my part: I'm really good at anticipating shots/abilities from my enemies, and I almost always activate my deflect right before they shoot me so I have maximum damage with my shurikens, because Genji needs that kind of damage optimisations to do almost anything. But then, half of the time, the sound of deflect plays and I just die. Deflect clearly went off, because there was the sound, but it didn't actually deflect the attack of the guy I'm aiming at. And before people say it's a ping issue, that's probably part of the issue, but definitely not all of it, because deflect often goes on cooldown as I die, meaning the ability was definitely active, and I have had very low ping for years now and keep having this problem whenever I play Genji (which isn't that often, I'm more of a support main nowadays, but still, I'd like to have fun with one of my favourite dps heroes when I do queue for dps, andI can't imagine that I'm the only one experiencing this)
This is definitely an issue for me because to compensate you have to use it early meaning less damage and more predictable. Honestly there’s alot of things they can do for this character to make him viable while still being balanced. Give him this a 20 dmg reduction on dash or give him both cooldowns after blade like doom. Dmg reduction on dash because ideally he’s SUPPOSED to dash through as many people as possible for ult charge yet half the time doing that means you die to random spam or a Moira orb.Doesn’t break the character because how often do you hit Genji while dashing but still helps him survive a bit longer. Giving cooldowns after blade just gives him much more survivability and choices when it comes to getting out or being aggressive.
This has been an issue ever since the deflect nerf. It was so annoying. But alas, the community hates genji so he gets the short end of the stick
This as well as another timing thing. When you use dash perfectly to avoid something but take damage from where you were when you dashed instead of where you were going. Visually it looks like you moved from your own view and you can even see the dash effect from others perspective but genji just gets hit from where he was. Making his hurtboxes move to where it ends straight away, would be so much better
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Yep, both abilities of Genji are janky and are not consistent. The deflect should definitely work earlier, and the dash should prevent damage from where you are not even at anymore, should work like Tracer.
Now those would be good buffs to reward high skill.
You forgot to talk about how much the deflect nerf gutted Genji, Deflect being smaller lead to an issue still in the game where you can deflect and still take the damage
And then there’s the Deflect timing. You know you pressed the ability AND it makes a sound, but you still die.
Yustin J. Don’t forget the ability clearly going into cooldown and the killcam showing the deflect animation play. His dash is buggy too
@@kingkocoa4467 Yeah, and it fails 90% of the times, at least for me. You basically have to anticipate that you need to use it soon rather than as a reflex.
@@hailredlampisn't that just ping issues?
Deflect has a huge hitbox if you’re taking damage from a non beam weapon during deflect that’s a skill issue
I'll tell you what happened. Literally every single character that has come out, counters genji in one way or another
good
@@gilscheiner8097 what's that? Someone lacking the talent to play high skill heroes?
@@meculus3966 lol im not in super low eli or anything im in diamond i just find genji super annoying to play against, up there with mei
@@gilscheiner8097 Up there with MEI? lmao. he's annoying in the right hands, sure, but at least he doesn't take away your ability to literally play the game you payed for.
@@nbnkenji8204 mei relies on her own team to capitalize on her walls, people don't play her very often, and she has a massive hitbox
I think what really unintentionally hurt Genji was the global ultimate charge nerf in August 2019 when Sigma was added. It was essentially a hidden nerf to every hero who's ultimate mattered. Genji is so focused on getting his ultimate that this change indirectly hindered him way more than it should've. I feel like they should've (and still should) lower his ultimate cost to compensate.
They also decreased just his ult charge by 15%
@@AstuteExxy to compensate a HUGE BUFF of... 0.07 sec fire rate. Bruh. This game is balanced 🤡
@@user-cy6xl3vd3f "we didn't for lore reasons! No human, with human arms, could possibly throw that faster then human"
Genji mains - "but you just explained why he could........"
r/overwatch -"NOOOOOO we will quit if we have to exert effort in any way!"
"What happened to genji"
Blizz after killing the hero with bap and brig: heeeeeell if i know 🤐
His blade nerf that brought it down to 110 dmg still makes no sense, its not like he could kill anything with 120 lmao
Deflect is the problem with Genji. The deflect nerf was absolutely ludicrious, but then it happened before all the busted heroes and changes popped up. Now, he has a dead ability, he can't defend himself against so many key abilities and just hopes to burst them down, which is no longer possible. Even the abilities it could make plays with, it won't, because the tiny hitbox makes the enemy able to just ignore it and shoot around. Thats why the only way to make Genji viable was to up his damage to insane levels, but in reality what he needs is deflect to not be the worst ability in the game.
And also, the dragon blade nerf to 110 damage is the most stupid change I've ever seen.
The Blade damage nerf hurt my soul bro lmao! Vanilla blade was already so-so but after that nerf it feels borderline useless to try to burst down any hero above 200 HP. Especially if they're getting healed. Sometimes even the 200 HP heroes as well. Blade timing now needs to be even more precise if you don't have a ton of resources dumped into you
Yeah, instead of nerfing damage they could just make it not boostable anymore
110 damage blade is so fucking dogshit
Deflect's hitbox was absolutely busted before they changed it, and the only people complaining were the ones who abused the hell out of it and developed terrible habits as a result. The oversized hitbox rewarded you for merely activating deflect rather than precisely timing it. Also I can't believe you seriously talked about people being able to shoot around him like it's a bad thing, it was clowns like you who often said "just don't shoot at a deflecting Genji" in response to people complaining about its bullshit hitbox that punished you for shooting while Genji was anywhere near the vicinity. Of all the things a Genji main can complain about, it is very telling what kind of player you were when deflect's hitbox is your main issue. Get good, and shut up. Deflect's hitbox isn't the reason you're bad at him.
dreadburnz While I agree his deflect hitbox was busted, the answer to that was not making it busted in the opposite direction. Current deflect’s hitbox is dogshit, so much so that you can literally hit him dead in the center and kill him lol.
Buff for genji
-turn at least 25 hp into armor or shield
-revert the fire speed of secondary fire back to .65
- let genji access the wall jump reset because if hanzo gets a double jump, then genji should get a triple jump
tough luck
Nope, fuck genji
Love this series so far man, and honestly for the bit at the end, please try not to worry too much about the numbers. These types of videos are more superfan material and for those who are either interested in reminiscing on a game they have played for years, or studying the history of the game. Either way, not a very large crowd. I find this content very interesting, and I'd imagine you do too, so let's just indulge in that interest and be the cool kids that are the minority of players boss😎 cheers from the console gang! Don't forget about the console specific buffs and nerfs we had a while back🧐
would love to see one of these for sym, really weird hero who's never been popular and has had huge reworks. a lot of interesting things to cover, like the fact she was support at one point or the shield gen that i feel like a lot of people forgot about. also would be interesting to talk about how she's always dominated low levels of play even at her worst state.
I love this semi-documentary style vid! Would love to see a similar style video on Mei’s history and her current quest to be viable ❤️
I had completely forgotten how fun it used to be to watch genji gameplay. I hope he finds his place in Overwatch 2.
I think I have never seen a character in a video game get nerfed so many times in its life cycle.
omg i love the call back to that old supertf video where he played genji against boston in owl, this montage was so similar to the one in his video and i love it 5:06
I wish they can bring back the melee dash cancel back because it will increase his potential to assassinate 200 hp characters. Due to all of the stuns, he is a charcter which has high risk but low reward. By giving him higher burst damage i feel like he will rely on his ult less
even though I get why they nerfed it at the time, it FEELs so good to pull off a instant 3-hit combo. It's also a high risk/high reward maneuver because you have to be in melee range to pull it off in a FPS game. I think they should add it back
Please make more of these videos. Really love seeing these breakdowns as someone who is still nostalgic for some earlier metas.
Simple, every single character that was released post launch, except Orisa, has some counter to him
And Ashe. And echo.
@@SpeedKing.. you think Ashe and Echo don't counter Genji?
@@camerongrondzki2716 yes poor Ashe keeps getting dived by genji
@@SpeedKing.. uh, just coach gun away, dynamite around his deflect, Bob his blade, keep distance since you're literally a sniper.
@@SpeedKing.. and Echo literally flies, Genji is NOT equiped to deal with a flying hero that often has a pocket anyway. Not only that but she has a pretty much instakill beam ability which is yet another counter to deflect.
I play OW from time to time. Later on in my OW 'career' I decided to see if I could play genji well from barely ever playing him before. I struggled with consistency (don't we all?) but when I played well it was so satisfying.
So many of the new hero releases just seemed to poop on Genji so hard, from Morira's attacks that track and go through reflect or Echo flying to Sombra's hacks etc. It just increasingly felt harder to play Genji and when you (and your enemies) can swap Hero on the fly it just seems like a massive risk to even try.
Amazing vid karq!! I’d love to see more of this series! Keep it up!
godddd i miss the glory days of genji
i know i dont it was pure misery
supports don't for sure
@@inm7879 would you rather fight a genji or a tracer, doom or echo?
He's the least annoying of the flankers because he's least likely to just kill you outright and doesn't remove your ability to play the game like sombra.
@@lootbaglu Tracer < Echo < Genji < Pocketed Echo
Such an iconic hero, it’s always a treat to watch someone play him at his highest potential
Nice video and nice editing too! Compared to the Dva one this one is easier to digest, so don't feel discouraged. You're just finding your perfect recipe and you still have a lot of heroes to experiment with.
this was a great format--the pro plays in between was great to see
Great video! Loved the new format in comparasion with the d.va video, nice owl montage too.
Super well made video KarQ. felt more like a very fun documentary then an analysis! keep it up cant wait to see some of my mains on this seires
You can say what you want but Genji plays are the most satisfying and beautiful plays in the world
These videos are so high quality! Great work KarQ, can't wait to see the future heroes be done :)
Love that this is becoming a series. Definitely would say this one was easier to follow than D.Va's video, but then again D.Va's kit makes it hard to track all those changes. Excited to see more from this series!
This video was a lot more digestible and telling a story definitely made it more interesting. Thanks for the vid KarQ lips.
Dude these videos are awesome! Its exciting to see your unique ow content karq ;) Sad to hear that the dva Video didnt perform but please dont stop making this series im lovin it!!!🙏
I'd love to pick rate and change breakdowns of each character. This type of content really gets me thinking of Overwatch again as I have been out if the loop for quite a while at this point.
Good video Nathan. Liking and commenting in the hopes this one doesn't go the way of the DVA vid.
Very sorry to hear that this series is not doing well views wise, it's very fun to watch!
Watched your stream earlier rly appreciate your hard work to make videos for us.
I liked both videos and will watch new videos on this series as long as they come, hope this one goes better :)
This video is so well done and its very nostalgic to see what happened to my favorite overwatch agent and see how he compared over the 5 years
That buff in 2020 was the best moments of my life xD
Great video, the montage in the middle was a nice touch
you should mark significant events in the graph, like "role queue included" and "dive comp started"
Those visualizations are crazy.. like the production value is otherworldly. So fucking intuitive and information comes at the perfect moments.
This is actually pretty cool bro I hope you continue this series
Just increase his damage to 30 again and 27 ammo that is balanced
And dragon blade should be 115
sad to see one of the hardest heroes to learn and master have a 14% pickrate
Very informative and fun to watch as always KarQ! Keep it up man, I've learned a lot of cool tricks and tips from your videos.
This was awesome to watch, great video man. I'd like to see Rein next, but I dont know if I could bare it 😥. Have a great rest of your day...
Awesome video! I barely play OW anymore, Genji is truly what made OW fun for me, being able to nearly OTP him only swapping on certain maps/matchups. Now, however, you're basically throwing if you pick him into remotely competent players who can play around him and make appropriate hero swaps. Hopefully OW2 will allow him to shine again.
Apparently, he has no changes in OW2. Bye bye, Genji. He just can’t catch a break.
@@hailredlamp This is why I won't be buying OW2.
@@nonyabusiness6100 Isn’t it technically free though? Basically, you buy the PvE. I’m not sure, it’s confusing.
Keep this content going! I really enjoyed these past two vids and hope you keep the series going (even though they maybe won`t perform well). Also, what is the song in the background of the montage called?
Fantasy Meiko Nakahara
@@asamedeus7829 you are a god, thx
This is SO WELL MADE! Keep it up Karq!
we DON'T miss genji
Video was amazing 🔥,Please do more. I’d love to see one in the support category next 😁.
I absolutely loved how you showed OWL matches from the month of his pick rate! Super cool :D Love this video style
really enjoying these "history of overwatch" kind of videos. maybe you can do one for the general history for how the game is played overall.
Amazing video karq, keep up the good work bro
Great video that really encapsulates in a concise manner how genji felt and performed throughout OW1. My only suggestion would be to possibly add global changes like hero additions, roll lock, and ult charge increases to the timeline
Ah yes, the Genji redemption period... what a glorious patch
The editing was sick!
Great video honestly! Doing a "look back" on aspects and characters throughout the game's lifespan is such a great idea and have loved these types of videos. If you ever do another one of these I think Rein, Lucio, Hog, Mercy, Soldier, or Reaper would be great candidates!
What's with the buff/Nerf He got in the Patch where dooms CD Reset faster when He ulted. Genjis Shuriken dmg went from 28 to 29 and blade dmg from 120 to 110. Great Video dude as a genji Main myself it was nice to see what ma boy went through xD
So much work on this video ! Well done ! :D
Loving this video format, especially with the OWL clips!
Really enjoyed this karq, cool video concept!
love this series!!!
Much better and condensed information , the edit was also great ! I personally prefer the 10-15 min range videos , keep it up.
A sad tale of a man who lost his body, them lost his power and agility and to end it, lost everyone's respect.
i use him in diamond alot. really good sometimes. Genji is amazing against the rights heroes
Genji autumn and Genji winter lol Sometimes I really love KarQ's wording
I didn't pick up overwatch till late 2020 so getting a perspective on heroes that have been in the game since day one is really cool to see. I think the D.va vid was a tad long but this one was perfect.
This was a much easier to follow style than the previous ones (too many numbers) so I think this is definitely the way to go. The timeline graphs help heaps too
Loved that montage. Absolutely brilliant way of creating nostalgia
Genji is the best hero they have ever made. He is the most fun.
14% seems like a healthy pick rate when you consider there are 17 other dps characters and only 2 can be in a match.
i was thinking the same ... a pick rate like the early years with 40%+ wasnt healthy at all
yeah but this is the hero who was the most popular for 3 years straight, 14% is miniscule and i think whats more telling of his actual power is that no one would ever flex to him, its only one tricks who ever play him
@@joeschipper2593 Yep. Genji is my second most played hero below tracer. It's always been that way, but I haven't played genji properly in so long. Every time I get the itch to play him, I'm reminded of why I don't play him as much anymore. Literally everything counters him nowadays, to the point where it's legitimately boring to try and play into heroes like bap, and sigma.
I'm all for counter-playing rather than counter picking. For example, people always consider mccree a counter to tracer, but I genuinely enjoy tracer vs cree matchups. But so many heroes counter genji so hard, that it's literally not even worth the effort.
Honestly most of the post launch heroes have just been so oppressive. Like god damn, when has sigma ever been bad since he launched? That hero has seen so much play time it's unreal.
All DPS are bad now
Amazing format bro
I enjoyed the D.Va video, but I also love looking at numbers and stats, haha! This video was smooth though. I think the more narrative-driven approach is a lot more accessible, especially since I think it appeals to people who weren't around and want the history lesson in a more organic context. It reads a lot less like a wiki page, and a lot more like a journalistic piece. Props, man. This was awesome!
Great series!!!! Keep it going
When you did the Dva video I was like PLEASE GENJI NEXT and u did it!
Very much enjoyable format!
I think the shorter 10 minutes feels great on these videos. I have personally experienced playing with, as, and against Dva throughout the years that I don't think I need to know everything. I just want to know what was great and what was bad in a compact 10 minute video, just like this Genji vid.
Sorry to hear about the bad performance, I really think you upped your game on this one, well done
nice editing! it was enjoyable
Honestly there is so much working against genji’s playstyle now that I think blizzard should give him some ridiculous buff like making his dragon blade do 150 damage per slash so that he can instantly assassinate people with dash+slash. Another suggestion I have heard thrown around is to add his bleed damage from beta back in but I don’t think that would change too much.
Great video. If you plan on continuing this series, could Junkrat be one of the next ones? Doesn't have to be first but I've heard some stuff I never even knew about and I've considered myself a junk main since I started playing in 2018 (The EXACT day that Scatter was removed). TL;DR, I was a demoman main in TF2 so Junkrat felt like the logical choice. Back on topic, though. I've heard he could die to his own tire if he was in los of it, his mine used to only go a little further than pulsebombs does, etc. Would love to see a video on every change.
Jeez Ana's speed buff on her nano was removed that early in the game's life cycle? I felt like I played her for years with it lol
Deflect has the most inconsistent interactions of any ability in the game. Deflect blocks Rein hammer, but not Brig flail or bash? Or Doom uppercut/ punch? Deflects Zar grav but not Sig rock? If deflect protected him consistently, he wouldn’t just explode when players dumped all their cool downs. He’d actually have some outplay potential again.
Blizzard might as well remove the ability since it’s absolute garbage in most scenario for a fucking defensive ability.
He is still my main since season 2 and it's hard to main him nowdays, but this hero makes so much fun if you know how to play him
Been a Genji main since launch, excellent video that expresses a lot of the same opinions I hold on his position in the state of the game. Great work!
Just the mention of ledge boost unlocked a hidden memory
Love you KarQ ill always be tuned into the vids thank you
I enjoyed both this and the D.Va video, but this was definitely an improvement. Hope this video does well cause these are really fun
Seeing those old owl clips really made me feel like an old man
Every rework, new hero, or general change to a hero it made genji have to work even harder to play against it