Do you think runner #19 is Israel Keyes? *EDIT 05/03/24 omg he's NOT Keyes. Someone found a video of runner #19 with his mask off & its not Keyes! Again, this is why its so important to have definitive evidence 💯 I watched so many Rondy videos... literally hours & still missed that. My whole theory that Israel was running with Kimberly was wrong. I posted the photo to the community. Wild rabbit hole.
This is still such a good video on how OSINT research works and how sometimes we think we've hit onto something but then it later gets disproven. You have great research instincts! 👏
@kimk794 Aw, thank you! I am often wrong, lol. I actually thought... the fact that #19 turned out to not be Israel Keyes proves my point even further 😆😂 I do love researching. Even when it leads nowhere, I always learn something.
Sometimes, you eventually get your answer, but from an unexpected place! Nonetheless, it's often never wasted time because you just never know where it can lead.
Thanks for the shout out, Viktoria! You did an excellent job capturing the research process and the rabbit holes we often go on as researchers. Being part of the orange jacket saga was certainly a wild ride, glad it turned out the woman wasn't a Keyes victim!
@@ViktoriaEvans: Hello. Not to be too conspiratorial, but why do we just take Kimberly's word for it. I agree, that does seem to settle the issue. And I've only listened to very little of the Kimberly interviews. Excellent job, by the way! 😊 U had me hanging from my seat.
iVE only seen a few vids on Keyes and he is one of the more interesting of that group....the whole kill kit thing he would leave in different states blew my mind when I first heard about it. Along with him not really having a certain victim type and just looked for opportunity too kill made it unlikely for him to actually get caught easily....that part baffles me that in the end, using the card that would too most people be known it would be tracked and such....he just seemed so reckless at the end for someone who seemed to be so careful for such a long time....idk what to make of that....
Kill kit was premeditated for me however the fact that he served his country & owned his business what I’m saying he came off as NORMAL is what gets me he terrifies me till this day knowing there’s more men w/ no feelings of someone else’s life scares TF outta me.
If Keyes and this woman were at the same event on the same day wearing the same coat….logic tells me they were just two people have happened to have the same coat.
That's not "logic:" it's speculation of facts not in evidence. *Adding that the events occurred on different days & the photo of Keyes wearing the jacket was possibly taken the following year. Not to mention his drivers license photo taken in 2012. Though, none of it's relevant because of Kimberly interviews saying that she gave Israel the jacket BEFORE 2010.
I’m currently digging through photos from the coffee shop/soup kitchen i volunteered at from 2000-2007 in Ohio. Realizing that I probably should get ahold of all the other staff who I haven’t seen in years. I really don’t have a specific thing i’m looking for and watching your work helped me think of another angle!! So, much respect!😂
Oh, awesome!! I'm guessing he volunteered there at some point? And yeah, I definitely didn't have a specific thing I was looking for when I started all this. LOL. You just never know what you'll find!
I would remember so much better if he had volunteered. That is an intriguing thought tho! He could very well have after 07 when I moved. My friends there are not into true crime so I doubt they are even aware of him.. But I do believe he came in a few times over the years I was there. So there is a chance someone got a photo! I didn’t even have a cell phone til 04 and still used film anyway. I should see if the coffee shop has a myspace from then! It was a Christian ministry that had bands every weekend. So there are all sorts of avenues to explore.
@Su_aSponte I don't know the details of his time in Ohio, but he definitely drove through :) How wild would it be if you found something! And yeah, looking at events in the area is absolutely the way to go.
Ha, I’m reticent to say just because I love my anonymity!! But well! It is in Wilmington, OH which is a college town btw. It also may sound familiar if you remember the Kehoe brothers. They were from a Christian Nationalist cult and killed a Jewish family and they also had a shoot out with Wilmington police. Anyway, the coffee shop/concert venue is called Joe’s Java. I believe it still operates in those capacities but no where near the volume and consistency of the early aughts. The umbrella ministry which included the soup kitchen and free thrift store is called Sugartree Ministries. I do not have a personal clear memory of an encounter with IK but he has remained naggingly familiar since the very first time I saw him. Could have been in the coffee shop or walking on the bike path or working in the kitchen. I wish I could put my finger on it
This Jacket…good job conveying some of the mental circles you can find yourself in doing this kind of work. Data-mining can be the same way. Dig and dig and no correlation.
@@ViktoriaEvans you really went down the rabbit hole on this, I was hanging on every word like a good book. remarkable story and research I really thought you were gonna get another victim on him I mean good that it wasn't the case lol poor random woman how many months was your research for this vid? Also have you ever look into becoming a serial killer, I mean a detective?
@jorgereyna1796 I noticed the woman at the end of 2022 or like January 2023 and then reached out to people in March. Got the APD files in April-ish &, then around June, I got the audio files. So... 6-7 months 🤷🏻♀️ I actually did not think to make a video on this until a few weeks ago. I honestly don't know what prompted the idea, but I was like... "You know what? That was a wild story. I should share it." Have I thought of being a serial killer? Nah. Have I thought of being a detective? Only in a film noir kind of way... they would never hire me. I have looked into crime scene cleanup as a job. I would still do that.
@@ViktoriaEvans Fascinating. btw was there any interesting info on those audio files. That whole wearing the scalp on a victim to a bank robbery is just unreal, absolute pure evil, this guy was a true fucking monster right up there with some of the worst
This story made my day, i'm glad you told it, this is a side of research that doesn't get talked about, please tell me you bought the orange jacket lol that should be your merch
Weird timing, I JUST published an article with the recordings here: www.murderpm.com/p/police-interviews-of-israel-keyes They'll go on TH-cam later this week.
Your obsessiveness or perseverance is what makes the best police detectives. They never give up and also tend to have the best "cases solved" rates. You are a detail person plus I think you also may be a "Big Picture" person. If you can find a Myers Briggs Personality Typology test online, you might be an INTJ. Whatever you score, there are lots of books on this testing and it can help you figure out relationship commonalities or make it, break it differences, understand your family members better or your interests that you find odd. The INTJ female is only 2-6 percent of the population, so very rare, most being male. So your unusual personality quirks can actually be a gem, depending what you choose to pursue. ie. a quality that could help you be accepted into the FBI. Then again, you may want to do your own "research" business, being more of an entrepreneur. Thank you for your video. Israel Keyes is one of the most diabolical serial murderers out there. Period.
Thanks. I would love to work with the FBI, but not for the FBI... I feel like that's too much paperwork, lol A number of people, and now you, have asked me if I've taken the Myers-Briggs test & specifically mentioned INTJ to me. So, I have taken the test more than once over the last couple of years (I was curious if I would get the same answer multiple times or not) I got INTP-A 🤷🏻♀️ I tend not to put a lot of stock in those tests. The DSM checklists, on the other hand, have been way more helpful to me.
@@ViktoriaEvans That INTP is only 1 letter off the other but interesting that others have suggested INTJ also. The INTJ always sounds too good for me, but I have taken the tests multiple X over decades & always INTJ :)
@@ViktoriaEvans It was too complimentary but things like dysfunctional aspects in your upbringing, I now think, can prevent you from fully developing full potential. Situational things also can affect you too. Parents used to focus on the negatives done by their children, as they were raised also. Much much more positive for kids these days. The J/P thing I have questioned as I always feel too disorganized to be J. But the very plain old school watch I wear, the constant list making, hatred for spontaneous activities all point to a J. I attended a Myers Briggs class and the woman told everyone who wears an old school watch go to one side of the room and if there were artsy pics on your watch go to the other side. The artsy watch faces where you could barely see the time were the P's.
@heather-cz8yk I gotcha. Yeah, I feel the traits are not reflective of how complicated people are. I also don't consider myself to be super organized, like... I have ADHD and will only be interested and focused on certain things while other aspects of daily life are a struggle to maintain. The example with the watch, I think, can be a fun demonstration of a simple delineation between people who prioritize function vs. fashion and what that says about them... but even then, all watches function to tell the time, and watches without pictures tend to look nicer for fashion sake (imo). I don't find it to be illustrative of people's actual personalities. That's part of the issue I take with the tests. I think looking at behavior and how people are able to process emotion and how well they function in society is more important, interesting, and accurate than how perceptive or social a person thinks they are.
Ahhh Georgia. Just drove through there on the way to FL … to flip and sell a house. A house which the HVAC died in the day us northerners got here. 89 degrees yall! 85% humidity. Good times.
@@ViktoriaEvans YES!! Man do I have a whole new respect for you guys in the South. They say we’re hardy in the Northeast? HA. You can always put more layers on, only so many can come off.
@@ViktoriaEvans I get that. The heat and humidity would kill me. I’m from Mass - near the coast. We’re lucky with winters, less snow. Averages 35 degrees Jan/Feb. Wouldn’t trade it for hurricanes, wildfires, tornados, & excessive cold/heat the south & Midwest have. 😁
I have been to Alaska, tent camping by myself 😳 😂 it was so awesome!!! Beautiful Beautiful Place!!! Thank you for all your research And yes with the jacket What the Hell !! 😮
@@ViktoriaEvans I always wanted to go too That’s why I went camping I could afford it 💙 That was after Keyes was caught plus I knew nothing of him. My eyes have been opened but I believe I’d do it again for sure!!!
I met this "isreal keyes "on the Chinese channel and then searched various channels to learn about his case. He" is real" a magical person, extremely cruel, unforgivable, and inhumane. He is simply a substitute for demons in the human world. However, I believe that his family and childhood experience have caused him to have quite serious schizophrenia and antisocial personality. In the end, his hobby is to harm humans, and the result is to be eliminated by other humans. I like your clear English accent and also enjoy the content of your program. I will watch your videos to learn English. Can I have an email or ins to contact you😄 from - BeiJing city
@@ViktoriaEvans No I'm serious. It's definitely him. Still listening to Truecrime BS and the recent episodes about maybe him attacking people on campuses is a real eye opener. He was insanely prolific.
Do you think runner #19 is Israel Keyes?
*EDIT 05/03/24 omg he's NOT Keyes. Someone found a video of runner #19 with his mask off & its not Keyes!
Again, this is why its so important to have definitive evidence 💯 I watched so many Rondy videos... literally hours & still missed that.
My whole theory that Israel was running with Kimberly was wrong. I posted the photo to the community. Wild rabbit hole.
Yes xxx
Absolutely
This is still such a good video on how OSINT research works and how sometimes we think we've hit onto something but then it later gets disproven. You have great research instincts! 👏
@kimk794 Aw, thank you! I am often wrong, lol. I actually thought... the fact that #19 turned out to not be Israel Keyes proves my point even further 😆😂 I do love researching. Even when it leads nowhere, I always learn something.
Sometimes, you eventually get your answer, but from an unexpected place!
Nonetheless, it's often never wasted time because you just never know where it can lead.
Thanks for the shout out, Viktoria! You did an excellent job capturing the research process and the rabbit holes we often go on as researchers. Being part of the orange jacket saga was certainly a wild ride, glad it turned out the woman wasn't a Keyes victim!
It was definitely a saga 😂 and yeah, hearing that audio was a big relief
@@ViktoriaEvans: Hello. Not to be too conspiratorial, but why do we just take Kimberly's word for it.
I agree, that does seem to settle the issue. And I've only listened to very little of the Kimberly interviews.
Excellent job, by the way! 😊 U had me hanging from my seat.
Thanks for the insight into all the hard work that goes in behind the scenes to create such quality content. 👍🏻
Thank you for your hard work. Your channel needs to blow up girl I support you
Thank you so much!! Working on it, I've got a ton more podcasts, videos, and articles coming, and maybe some more music soon as well.
Respect for your persistence and research, it’s a good quality!
iVE only seen a few vids on Keyes and he is one of the more interesting of that group....the whole kill kit thing he would leave in different states blew my mind when I first heard about it.
Along with him not really having a certain victim type and just looked for opportunity too kill made it unlikely for him to actually get caught easily....that part baffles me that in the end, using the card that would too most people be known it would be tracked and such....he just seemed so reckless at the end for someone who seemed to be so careful for such a long time....idk what to make of that....
Kill kit was premeditated for me however the fact that he served his country & owned his business what I’m saying he came off as NORMAL is what gets me he terrifies me till this day knowing there’s more men w/ no feelings of someone else’s life scares TF outta me.
If Keyes and this woman were at the same event on the same day wearing the same coat….logic tells me they were just two people have happened to have the same coat.
That's not "logic:" it's speculation of facts not in evidence.
*Adding that the events occurred on different days & the photo of Keyes wearing the jacket was possibly taken the following year. Not to mention his drivers license photo taken in 2012.
Though, none of it's relevant because of Kimberly interviews saying that she gave Israel the jacket BEFORE 2010.
I’m currently digging through photos from the coffee shop/soup kitchen i volunteered at from 2000-2007 in Ohio. Realizing that I probably should get ahold of all the other staff who I haven’t seen in years. I really don’t have a specific thing i’m looking for and watching your work helped me think of another angle!!
So, much respect!😂
Oh, awesome!! I'm guessing he volunteered there at some point? And yeah, I definitely didn't have a specific thing I was looking for when I started all this. LOL. You just never know what you'll find!
I would remember so much better if he had volunteered. That is an intriguing thought tho! He could very well have after 07 when I moved. My friends there are not into true crime so I doubt they are even aware of him.. But I do believe he came in a few times over the years I was there. So there is a chance someone got a photo! I didn’t even have a cell phone til 04 and still used film anyway.
I should see if the coffee shop has a myspace from then! It was a Christian ministry that had bands every weekend. So there are all sorts of avenues to explore.
@Su_aSponte I don't know the details of his time in Ohio, but he definitely drove through :)
How wild would it be if you found something! And yeah, looking at events in the area is absolutely the way to go.
@@Su_aSponte where in Ohio was this coffee shop? What was its name?
Ha, I’m reticent to say just because I love my anonymity!! But well!
It is in Wilmington, OH which is a college town btw. It also may sound familiar if you remember the Kehoe brothers. They were from a Christian Nationalist cult and killed a Jewish family and they also had a shoot out with Wilmington police.
Anyway, the coffee shop/concert venue is called Joe’s Java. I believe it still operates in those capacities but no where near the volume and consistency of the early aughts. The umbrella ministry which included the soup kitchen and free thrift store is called Sugartree Ministries.
I do not have a personal clear memory of an encounter with IK but he has remained naggingly familiar since the very first time I saw him. Could have been in the coffee shop or walking on the bike path or working in the kitchen. I wish I could put my finger on it
Amazing attention to detail!
Currently listening to the True Crime Bullsh** podcast. Your channel helps create a complete picture. Just wow.
This Jacket…good job conveying some of the mental circles you can find yourself in doing this kind of work. Data-mining can be the same way. Dig and dig and no correlation.
I’m at work rn but I cannot wait to watch this later lol love your work
Thank you!! Let me know what you think :)
@@ViktoriaEvans you really went down the rabbit hole on this, I was hanging on every word like a good book. remarkable story and research I really thought you were gonna get another victim on him I mean good that it wasn't the case lol poor random woman how many months was your research for this vid? Also have you ever look into becoming a serial killer, I mean a detective?
@jorgereyna1796 I noticed the woman at the end of 2022 or like January 2023 and then reached out to people in March. Got the APD files in April-ish &, then around June, I got the audio files. So... 6-7 months 🤷🏻♀️
I actually did not think to make a video on this until a few weeks ago. I honestly don't know what prompted the idea, but I was like... "You know what? That was a wild story. I should share it."
Have I thought of being a serial killer? Nah. Have I thought of being a detective? Only in a film noir kind of way... they would never hire me.
I have looked into crime scene cleanup as a job. I would still do that.
@@ViktoriaEvans Fascinating. btw was there any interesting info on those audio files. That whole wearing the scalp on a victim to a bank robbery is just unreal, absolute pure evil, this guy was a true fucking monster right up there with some of the worst
@jorgereyna1796 Yes! I'm going to do a video on them actually
This story made my day, i'm glad you told it, this is a side of research that doesn't get talked about, please tell me you bought the orange jacket lol that should be your merch
I did not buy it, lol! It's not cold enough here, and I don't need any more reminders of Israel Keyes. I think about him enough as it is 😂
Kimberley said she gave him her orange jacket as it was too big for her
Yep! 15:44
Whoa! Where did you get the Kimberly recordings? Did you file a FOIA?
Weird timing, I JUST published an article with the recordings here: www.murderpm.com/p/police-interviews-of-israel-keyes
They'll go on TH-cam later this week.
Wow! You are a wizard when it comes to finding photos I've never seen of Israel keyes. And believe me I've looked ALOT.
Me too! She’s amazing!!
Love your obsession!! And humor. (What kind of eyeshadow do you wear? It’s perfect!)❤️
Aw, thanks! Mainly, I use this Makeup Revolution palette Ultimate Nudes with 45 shades. I love all the shimmery nude/earth tones 😍
This might sound like a weird complement, but it’s a really good one.
I like the way you enunciate. :)
7:30 there’s definitely alcohol involved in the running of the reindeer 🤪 actually looks like it might be mandatory haha
Best research of Israel Keys 💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯💯
Thank you
Great research, one of the best breakdowns of a websleuth I have ever seen!! Keep going.😊
Love your Israel Keyes coverage. 🤘
I want to run with reindeers!!! Thankyou for your obsession? your research is amazing....
Thank you so much. I also want to go to the Fur Rondy 😆 it looks like so much fun. Reindeer seem friendlier than Bulls, lol
Your obsessiveness or perseverance is what makes the best police detectives. They never give up and also tend to have the best "cases solved" rates. You are a detail person plus I think you also may be a "Big Picture" person. If you can find a Myers Briggs Personality Typology test online, you might be an INTJ. Whatever you score, there are lots of books on this testing and it can help you figure out relationship commonalities or make it, break it differences, understand your family members better or your interests that you find odd. The INTJ female is only 2-6 percent of the population, so very rare, most being
male. So your unusual personality quirks can actually be a gem, depending what you choose to pursue. ie. a quality that could help you be accepted into the FBI. Then again, you may want to do your own "research" business, being more of an entrepreneur. Thank you for your video. Israel Keyes is one of the most diabolical serial murderers out there. Period.
Thanks. I would love to work with the FBI, but not for the FBI... I feel like that's too much paperwork, lol
A number of people, and now you, have asked me if I've taken the Myers-Briggs test & specifically mentioned INTJ to me.
So, I have taken the test more than once over the last couple of years (I was curious if I would get the same answer multiple times or not)
I got INTP-A 🤷🏻♀️
I tend not to put a lot of stock in those tests.
The DSM checklists, on the other hand, have been way more helpful to me.
@@ViktoriaEvans That INTP is only 1 letter off the other but interesting that others have suggested INTJ also.
The INTJ always sounds too good for me, but I have taken the tests multiple X over decades & always INTJ :)
@@heather-cz8yk Too good for you? How do you mean?
@@ViktoriaEvans It was too complimentary but things like dysfunctional aspects in your upbringing, I now think, can prevent you from fully developing full potential. Situational things also can affect you too. Parents used to focus on the negatives done by their children, as they were raised also. Much much more positive for kids these days. The J/P thing I have questioned as I always feel too disorganized to be J. But the very plain old school watch I wear, the constant list making, hatred for spontaneous activities all point to a J. I attended a Myers Briggs class and the woman told everyone who wears an old school watch go to one side of the room and if there were artsy pics on your watch go to the other side. The artsy watch faces where you could barely see the time were the P's.
@heather-cz8yk I gotcha. Yeah, I feel the traits are not reflective of how complicated people are. I also don't consider myself to be super organized, like... I have ADHD and will only be interested and focused on certain things while other aspects of daily life are a struggle to maintain.
The example with the watch, I think, can be a fun demonstration of a simple delineation between people who prioritize function vs. fashion and what that says about them... but even then, all watches function to tell the time, and watches without pictures tend to look nicer for fashion sake (imo). I don't find it to be illustrative of people's actual personalities. That's part of the issue I take with the tests.
I think looking at behavior and how people are able to process emotion and how well they function in society is more important, interesting, and accurate than how perceptive or social a person thinks they are.
Ahhh Georgia. Just drove through there on the way to FL … to flip and sell a house. A house which the HVAC died in the day us northerners got here. 89 degrees yall! 85% humidity. Good times.
Oh... oh god no 😂 That's brutal!
@@ViktoriaEvans YES!! Man do I have a whole new respect for you guys in the South. They say we’re hardy in the Northeast? HA. You can always put more layers on, only so many can come off.
@@ViktoriaEvans Hands down my fav state of the east coast road trip was GA though. Jealous! What a beautiful place. 💜
@t.l.1610 That is true, though I'd rather live in a cold climate, or at least a dry one. Where in the NE are you from?
@@ViktoriaEvans I get that. The heat and humidity would kill me. I’m from Mass - near the coast. We’re lucky with winters, less snow. Averages 35 degrees Jan/Feb. Wouldn’t trade it for hurricanes, wildfires, tornados, & excessive cold/heat the south & Midwest have. 😁
I’m in the same struggle with you down here in Florida. Without air-conditioning I might actually expire 😅 you’re still gorgeous though 😍
I have been to Alaska, tent camping by myself 😳
😂 it was so awesome!!! Beautiful Beautiful Place!!!
Thank you for all your research
And yes with the jacket
What the Hell !! 😮
@@Wendy-zl8kv I've always wanted to go!
@@ViktoriaEvans I always wanted to go too
That’s why I went camping
I could afford it 💙
That was after Keyes was caught plus I knew nothing of him.
My eyes have been opened but I believe I’d do it again for sure!!!
It seems it must have taken tv guards a long time between cell checks if he had enough time to bleed out and draw all those pics in his blood.
TCBS discovered that Keyes actually drew those months before he killed himself.
Hey, Viktoria. Great work! Thanks for running down that lead. Stay cool.
Thanks! I'm always cool 🤠🙃😜
Interesting enough theory but honestly this is why we have FBI investigators 😉
The same FBI that forgot to bring a shovel with them on a search for evidence buried in the woods? That FBI?
Publish the interviews!!!!!!!!
I have them in an article that's going out soon & I'll upload them here.
@@ViktoriaEvans ❤️❤️❤️❤️❤️
Awesome content!
keep up the weird work Vicky, i like your style.
@markbrown1609 thanks! :)
You are so fun :D
Hey Victoria how hot is it?😂
It felt like 85° in that room! The AC is great downstairs, but my office is upstairs, lol
I met this "isreal keyes "on the Chinese channel and then searched various channels to learn about his case. He" is real" a magical person, extremely cruel, unforgivable, and inhumane. He is simply a substitute for demons in the human world. However, I believe that his family and childhood experience have caused him to have quite serious schizophrenia and antisocial personality. In the end, his hobby is to harm humans, and the result is to be eliminated by other humans.
I like your clear English accent and also enjoy the content of your program. I will watch your videos to learn English. Can I have an email or ins to contact you😄 from - BeiJing city
Thank you so much! Email should be posted in the video description.
He’s definitely runner 19. I have an unhealthy interest in the guy so I would know lol
I can't tell if this is sarcastic or not, but I love your username & the cat profile pic 😺
@@ViktoriaEvans No I'm serious. It's definitely him. Still listening to Truecrime BS and the recent episodes about maybe him attacking people on campuses is a real eye opener. He was insanely prolific.
@bushmonster1702 I totally agree, I think it consumed him.
I haven't listened to the new season yet.